History Main / TheChainOfHarm

12th Apr '18 7:58:34 PM Fireblood
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* Studies suggest that military, police, and military police organisations with cultures of abuse tend to commit War Crimes even when the top-level leadership try to stop them. Two ''excellent'' examples are the Imperial Japanese Army and the Red Workers' and Peasants' Army (of the Soviet Union). Both had abusive cultures, with officers regularly beating their [=NCOs=] and [=NCOs=] beating the rank-and-file, and both committed numerous War Crimes against civilians. However, there were notable differences and it is worth contrasting a contemporary organisation which commited War Crimes ''without'' such a culture:
** The Red Army's leadership frowned upon and tried to curb War Crimes, rape being the most common, and most of which were committed [[SoldiersAtTheRear by the less-disciplined Non-combat/Logistical arms, which employed most of the imprisoned criminals who volunteered for military service in return for reduced sentences during the war]]. War Crimes were seen as a stain upon the Army's honor, and soldiers committing them could be and were punished wherever possible.
** The Imperial Japanese Army's leadership did not care about War Crimes regarding civilians, including rape, and promoted War Crimes regarding POW, as they regarded the execution of POW as a way to 'toughen up' their soldiers. War Crimes were seen as having no effect upon the Army's honor, and soldiers committing them were never identified or punished.
** The German Army's leadership promoted most War Crimes, particularly those which gave their forces practical advantages (such as the destruction of every community suspected to have given support to partisans), but disapproved of rape conducted without the use of condoms because of the risk posed by STDs. In their view, so-called "War Crimes" were an insidious fiction propagated by Jews, Communists, and Liberals: warfare always had to be conducted with the most brutal means possible, and imposing artificial limitations upon one's ability to strike at the enemy was sheer foolishness. Ungentlemanly conduct regarding POW or civilians of roughly comparable racial status, such as Scandinavians or Dutchmen, was frowned upon and both could be and was punished. While any and all conduct against POW or civilians of (radically) lower racial status, such as Ukrainians or Kazakhs, was acceptable, some were punished for sexually assaulting racial inferiors without protection (because of the risk of STDs).

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* Studies suggest that military, police, and military police organisations with cultures of abuse tend to commit War Crimes war crimes even when the top-level leadership try to stop them. Two ''excellent'' examples are the Imperial Japanese Army and the Red Workers' and Peasants' Army (of the Soviet Union). Both had abusive cultures, with officers regularly beating their [=NCOs=] and [=NCOs=] beating the rank-and-file, and both committed numerous War Crimes war crimes against civilians. However, there were notable differences and it is worth contrasting a contemporary organisation which commited War Crimes committed war crimes ''without'' such a culture:
** The Red Army's leadership frowned upon and tried to curb War Crimes, war crimes, rape being the most common, and most of which were committed [[SoldiersAtTheRear by the less-disciplined Non-combat/Logistical non-combat/logistical arms, which employed most of the imprisoned criminals who volunteered for military service in return for reduced sentences during the war]]. War Crimes crimes were seen as a stain upon the Army's honor, and soldiers committing them could be and were punished wherever possible.
** The Imperial Japanese Army's leadership did not care about War Crimes regarding war crimes against civilians, including rape, and promoted War Crimes regarding POW, war crimes against [=POW=]s, as they regarded the execution of a POW as a way to 'toughen up' their soldiers. War Crimes crimes were seen as having no effect upon the Army's honor, and soldiers committing them were never identified or punished.
** The German Army's leadership promoted most War Crimes, war crimes, particularly those which gave their forces practical advantages (such as the destruction of every community suspected to have given support to partisans), but disapproved of rape conducted without the use of condoms because of the risk posed by STDs. [=STD=]s. In their view, so-called "War Crimes" "war crimes" were an insidious fiction propagated by Jews, Communists, communists, and Liberals: liberals: warfare always had to be conducted with the most brutal means possible, and imposing artificial limitations upon one's ability to strike at the enemy was sheer foolishness. Ungentlemanly conduct regarding POW [=POW=]s or civilians of roughly comparable racial status, such as Scandinavians or Dutchmen, was frowned upon and both could be and was punished. While any and all conduct against POW [=POW=]s or civilians of (radically) lower racial status, such as Ukrainians or Kazakhs, was acceptable, some were punished for sexually assaulting racial inferiors without protection (because of the risk of STDs).[=STD=]s).



* The great-grandchild of Creator/LRonHubbard, the creator of the ChurchofHappyology, exposed in a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0QsCrFANMzc poem]] about the damage his great-grandfather inflicted on the grandchildren and great grandchildren he never met with threats to his son, the patriarch of the family, and how when the poet tries to explain to psychiatrists that mental illness does run in his family via the leader of a cult, they accuse him of delusions and compromise his credibility.

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* The great-grandchild of Creator/LRonHubbard, the creator of the ChurchofHappyology, exposed in a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0QsCrFANMzc poem]] about the damage his great-grandfather inflicted on the grandchildren and great grandchildren great-grandchildren he never met with threats to his son, the patriarch of the family, and how when the poet tries to explain to psychiatrists that mental illness does run in his family via the leader of a cult, they accuse him of delusions and compromise his credibility.
22nd Mar '18 12:12:18 PM Animeking1108
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* ''Manga/MahouShoujoSite:'' Kaname is Aya's BigBrotherBully who beats her up ForTheEvulz. It's later revealed the reason why is because his father beats him if he so much as [[EducationPapa gets a 98 on a test]]. He thinks Aya deserves to get beaten by him since his father never touches her.
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18th Mar '18 1:44:16 PM nombretomado
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* This is one of the central themes in ''TheWall''. The schoolmaster's wife hits and humiliates the schoolmaster; the schoolmaster hits and humiliates the kids he is supposed to educate; the kids take it out on the younger ones.

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* This is one of the central themes in ''TheWall''.''Music/TheWall''. The schoolmaster's wife hits and humiliates the schoolmaster; the schoolmaster hits and humiliates the kids he is supposed to educate; the kids take it out on the younger ones.
14th Feb '18 8:00:16 PM ectostar
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Contrast to CycleOfRevenge, which directly targets the person causing harm. Compare to RevengeByProxy, DelegationRelay.

FreudianExcuse is when this is used in a villain's backstory as an explanation for their behaviour now.

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Contrast to CycleOfRevenge, which directly targets the person causing harm. Compare to RevengeByProxy, DelegationRelay.

DelegationRelay, and TroubledAbuser.

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FreudianExcuse is when this is used in a villain's backstory as an explanation for their behaviour now.



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* Discussed (and simultaneously played out) in ''Series/{{Blackadder}} III'':
-->'''Blackadder:''' It is the way of the world, Baldrick: the abused always kick downwards. I am annoyed, and so I kick the cat; the cat pounces on the mouse; and, finally, the mouse bites you on the behind.
-->'''Baldrick:''' And what do I do?
-->'''Blackadder:''' Nothing. You are [[ButtMonkey last in God's great chain]].

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* Discussed (and simultaneously played out) in ''Series/{{Blackadder}} III'':
-->'''Blackadder:'''
the Third'':
--> '''Blackadder''': ''(kicks a cat across the room)''\\
'''Baldrick''': Oh sir, poor little Mildred the cat, what's she ever done to you?\\
'''Blackadder''':
It is the way of the world, Baldrick: Baldrick, the abused always kick downwards. I am downwards: I'm annoyed, and so I kick the cat; cat, the cat ''(mouse squeaks)'' pounces on the mouse; and, finally, mouse, and finally the mouse mouse...\\
'''Baldrick''': ''(jumps in pain)''\\
'''Blackadder''': ...
bites you on the behind.
-->'''Baldrick:'''
behind.\\
'''Baldrick''':
And what do I do?
-->'''Blackadder:''' Nothing. You
do?\\
'''Blackadder''': Nothing, you
are [[ButtMonkey last in God's great chain]].chain, Baldrick. Unless, of course, there's an earwig around here that you'd like to victimize.



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15th Jan '18 6:35:37 PM AdamC
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* In a weird partial example there's the relationship between Tony Stark and Peter Parker in ''FilmSpiderManHomecoming.'' Howard Stark was neglectful and distant toward his son, and they were on bad terms when Howard died. The emotional baggage is partly why Tony grew up into a selfish hedonist before he was Iron Man. Now that Tony is taking on Peter as a protege he's making a conscious effort to avert this trope, albiet with mixed success. He falls into some of his dad's old trappings (communicates with Peter almost exclusively through conference calls or his assistants, is hard to reach when Peter needs him, condescends and insults him constantly, is harsh and unforgiving of failure), but also breaks out of things and manages to be a fair mentor at times (takes the time to listen to all of Peter's messages, intervenes immediately if he's ever in serious trouble, shows concern for his safety and well-being, and is appreciative and complimentary of Peter when he does things right).

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* In a weird partial example there's the relationship between Tony Stark and Peter Parker in ''FilmSpiderManHomecoming.''Film/SpiderManHomecoming.'' Howard Stark was neglectful and distant toward his son, and they were on bad terms when Howard died. The emotional baggage is partly why Tony grew up into a selfish hedonist before he was Iron Man. Now that Tony is taking on Peter as a protege he's making a conscious effort to avert this trope, albiet with mixed success. He falls into some of his dad's old trappings (communicates with Peter almost exclusively through conference calls or his assistants, is hard to reach when Peter needs him, condescends and insults him constantly, is harsh and unforgiving of failure), but also breaks out of things and manages to be a fair mentor at times (takes the time to listen to all of Peter's messages, intervenes immediately if he's ever in serious trouble, shows concern for his safety and well-being, and is appreciative and complimentary of Peter when he does things right).
15th Jan '18 6:35:13 PM AdamC
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* In a weird partial example there's the relationship between Tony Stark and Peter Parker in ''FilmSpiderManHomecoming.'' Howard Stark was neglectful and distant toward his son, and they were on bad terms when Howard died. The emotional baggage is partly why Tony grew up into a selfish hedonist before he was Iron Man. Now that Tony is taking on Peter as a protege he's making a conscious effort to avert this trope, albiet with mixed success. He falls into some of his dad's old trappings (communicates with Peter almost exclusively through conference calls or his assistants, is hard to reach when Peter needs him, condescends and insults him constantly, is harsh and unforgiving of failure), but also breaks out of things and manages to be a fair mentor at times (takes the time to listen to all of Peter's messages, intervenes immediately if he's ever in serious trouble, shows concern for his safety and well-being, and is appreciative and complimentary of Peter when he does things right).
-->'''Tony:''' ''(Calling up Peter to congratulate him)'' My Dad didn't give me a lot of emotional support so I'm trying to break the cycle of neglect.
12th Nov '17 3:08:49 AM azul120
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27th Oct '17 1:04:15 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* This is one of the central themes in ''TheWall''. The schoolmaster's wife hits the schoolmaster; the schoolmaster hits the kids; the kids take it out on the younger ones.

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* This is one of the central themes in ''TheWall''. The schoolmaster's wife hits and humiliates the schoolmaster; the schoolmaster hits and humiliates the kids; kids he is supposed to educate; the kids take it out on the younger ones.
17th Oct '17 8:15:19 AM Monolaf317
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* One episode of WesternAnimation/GodTheDevilAndBob deals with the death of Bob's verbally abusive and emotionally neglectful father. After finding out he went to heaven, Bob demands justification from God. God elaborates that there is a "line of punches" passed from father to son going all the way back to Adam and Cain. Even though his father was no saint, the trick was "passing on a softer punch", as Bob's grandfather was relatively worse. In turn, Bob realizes he hasn't been the best father to his own son, so he learns to forgive his father and be a better one to his son.

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* One episode of WesternAnimation/GodTheDevilAndBob ''WesternAnimation/GodTheDevilAndBob'' deals with the death of Bob's verbally abusive and emotionally neglectful father. After finding out he went to heaven, Bob demands justification from God. God elaborates that there is a "line of punches" passed from father to son going all the way back to Adam and Cain. Even though his father was no saint, the trick was "passing on a softer punch", as Bob's grandfather was relatively worse. In turn, Bob realizes he hasn't been the best father to his own son, so he learns to forgive his father and be a better one to his son.



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17th Sep '17 3:26:44 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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* The Horseman family from ''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseman''. Bojack's maternal grandfather made horribly abusive decisions, which lead to Bojack's mother being abusive and her son becoming an abuser.

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* The Horseman family from ''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseman''. Bojack's ''WesternAnimation/BoJackHorseman''. [=BoJack=]'s maternal grandfather made horribly abusive decisions, which lead to Bojack's [=BoJack=]'s mother being abusive and her son becoming an abuser.a self-loathing mess who himself takes his struggles with feelings of depression and inadequacy out on others.
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