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16th Mar '17 9:14:51 AM AthenaBlue
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* In ''Series/QuantumLeap'', it appears that Sam is affected by the changes he makes to history only after he leaps, and this has some bearing on his occasional manifestation of [[SuddenlyAlwaysKnewThat previously unmentioned skills]] (and previously unmentioned/nonexistent family members). Al, on the other hand, seems to be affected instantly, but only when probability of a new event becomes sufficiently high. (In one episode, Sam assures Al's untimely death. When the probability reaches 100%, Al is replaced by another character, but he reappears when Sam reduces the probability.)
* One has to give credit to ''Series/DoctorWho'', in that a show with a ''time traveler'' as a central character delves into temporal paradoxes relatively infrequently; in most cases, the time travelling is just a way to set stories in different periods, the temporal version of AdventureTowns. It does have its fair share of 'em though (especially after Steven Moffat started writing for the new series):

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* ''Series/BabylonFive'' had a very weird one. During the Minbari War, the aforementioned aliens stopped short of destroying humanity when they discovered that a character held Valen's (Alien Jesus) soul, explaining where the souls of the Minbari had been going in the past centuries. They believed that Valen re-incarnated into that character. However, in a later episode, it is discovered that [[spoiler:this character travels back in time and [[YouWillBeBeethoven assumes the role of Valen]]]]. So, it's not that Valen's soul went into that man, but that [[spoiler:this man was the original Valen soul]]. One has to wonder if there isn't a 2nd receptacle for Valen's soul.
** This also falls into the ontological paradox category when you [[FridgeLogic think about it for a bit]]. If the Minbari had chosen a different fighter from among the thousands at the Battle of the Line to capture, the [[ImportedAlienPhlebotinum triluminary]] would not have activated, and rather than sparing humanity they would have wiped them out. Which would mean that [[spoiler:Sinclair would never have gone back in time, which would mean they never would have gotten the triluminary (or defeated the Shadows, probably]]), which would...yeah.
** Furthermore, if Valen, who founded modern Minbari society and taught them their [[PlanetOfHats globally-accepted philosophy]], actually learned everything he knows about Minbari society and philosophy from modern Minbari themselves, that creates an Information Loop: he is teaching them things he only knows because they taught him first.
* In ''Series/QuantumLeap'', it appears that Sam is affected by the changes he makes to history only after he leaps, and this has some bearing on his occasional manifestation of [[SuddenlyAlwaysKnewThat previously unmentioned skills]] (and previously unmentioned/nonexistent family members). Al, on the other hand, seems to be affected instantly, but only when probability of a new event becomes sufficiently high. (In ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', in one episode, Sam assures Al's untimely death. When Sheldon, Leonard, Raj, and Wolowitz buy the probability reaches 100%, Al is replaced by another character, but he reappears when Sam reduces original time machine prop. Events in the probability.)
episode lead to Sheldon and Leonard trying to decide if Leonard could have gone back in time to stop himself from buying the time machine, leading Sheldon to say, basically, "No."
* One has to give credit to ''Series/DoctorWho'', in that a show with a ''time traveler'' traveller'' as a central the main character delves into temporal paradoxes relatively infrequently; in most cases, the time travelling is just a way to set stories in different periods, the temporal version of AdventureTowns. It does have its fair share of 'em though (especially after Steven Moffat started writing for the new series):



** In the old series Gallifrey had the [[DeusExMachina Eye of Harmony]], a modified black hole that acted as an unlimited power source, universe-wide navigational beacon, and the mother of all temporal stabilizers. Thus even if they screwed up, the Time Lords had access to enough energy to maintain the desired timeline by brute force if necessary (as seen in [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors "The Five Doctors"]]). In the new series, the Eye of Harmony has been destroyed, so the Doctor has less to work with.



** Also, in the old series Gallifrey had the [[DeusExMachina Eye of Harmony]], a modified black hole that acted as an unlimited power source, universe-wide navigational beacon, and the mother of all temporal stabilizers. Thus even if they screwed up, the Time Lords had access to enough energy to maintain the desired timeline by brute force if necessary (as seen in "The Five Doctors"). In the new series, the Eye of Harmony has been destroyed, so the Doctor has less to work with.
** Another interesting use of the temporal paradox concept comes in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E13LastOfTheTimeLords "Last of the Time Lords"]], in which the Master brings humans back in time from the end of the universe to kill humanity... which would normally make no sense, which is why he turned the TARDIS into a "Paradox Machine" to keep the paradox stable. Destroying this acts as a ResetButton which sets everything on the surface back to the way it was before the machine was activated.



** To make things more interesting, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E4TheTimeOfAngels "The Time of Angels"]] reveals to us that [[spoiler: the image of an Angel is an Angel]] and with everything in that folder she handed the Doctor, the transcript, [[FridgeHorror several pictures of Angel statues]], the list... we can wonder where those scavenger Weeping Angels came from anyway.

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** *** To make things more interesting, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E4TheTimeOfAngels "The Time of Angels"]] reveals to us that [[spoiler: the image of an Angel is an Angel]] and with everything in that folder she handed the Doctor, the transcript, [[FridgeHorror several pictures of Angel statues]], the list... we can wonder where those scavenger Weeping Angels came from anyway.anyway.
** Another interesting use of the temporal paradox concept comes in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E13LastOfTheTimeLords "Last of the Time Lords"]], in which the Master brings humans back in time from the end of the universe to kill humanity... which would normally make no sense, which is why he turned the TARDIS into a "Paradox Machine" to keep the paradox stable. Destroying this acts as a ResetButton which sets everything on the surface back to the way it was before the machine was activated.



** But then the Grand Moff (who wrote "Blink", "Christmas Carol", and other [[TimeyWimeyBall Timey-Wimey]] eps like "The Big Bang" and "The Girl in the Fireplace") is becoming quite known for his confuddling paradoxes. I mean, look at the contributions to Comic Relief! (Both of which written by him.)

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** But then the Grand Moff (who wrote "Blink", "Christmas "A Christmas Carol", and other [[TimeyWimeyBall Timey-Wimey]] eps like [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E13TheBigBang "The Big Bang" Bang"]] and [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E4TheGirlInTheFireplace "The Girl in the Fireplace") Fireplace"]]) is becoming quite known for his confuddling paradoxes. I mean, look at the contributions to Comic Relief! (Both of which written by him.)



* In ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', in one episode, Sheldon, Leonard, Raj, and Wolowitz buy the original time machine prop. Events in the episode lead to Sheldon and Leonard trying to decide if Leonard could have gone back in time to stop himself from buying the time machine, leading Sheldon to say, basically, "No."



* ''Series/BabylonFive'' had a very weird one. During the Minbari War, the aforementioned aliens stopped short of destroying humanity when they discovered that a character held Valen's (Alien Jesus) soul, explaining where the souls of the Minbari had been going in the past centuries. They believed that Valen re-incarnated into that character. However, in a later episode, it is discovered that [[spoiler:this character travels back in time and [[YouWillBeBeethoven assumes the role of Valen]]]]. So, it's not that Valen's soul went into that man, but that [[spoiler:this man was the original Valen soul]]. One has to wonder if there isn't a 2nd receptacle for Valen's soul.
** This also falls into the ontological paradox category when you [[FridgeLogic think about it for a bit]]. If the Minbari had chosen a different fighter from among the thousands at the Battle of the Line to capture, the [[ImportedAlienPhlebotinum triluminary]] would not have activated, and rather than sparing humanity they would have wiped them out. Which would mean that [[spoiler:Sinclair would never have gone back in time, which would mean they never would have gotten the triluminary (or defeated the Shadows, probably]]), which would...yeah.
** Furthermore, if Valen, who founded modern Minbari society and taught them their [[PlanetOfHats globally-accepted philosophy]], actually learned everything he knows about Minbari society and philosophy from modern Minbari themselves, that creates an Information Loop: he is teaching them things he only knows because they taught him first.



* In ''Series/QuantumLeap'', it appears that Sam is affected by the changes he makes to history only after he leaps, and this has some bearing on his occasional manifestation of [[SuddenlyAlwaysKnewThat previously unmentioned skills]] (and previously unmentioned/nonexistent family members). Al, on the other hand, seems to be affected instantly, but only when probability of a new event becomes sufficiently high. (In one episode, Sam assures Al's untimely death. When the probability reaches 100%, Al is replaced by another character, but he reappears when Sam reduces the probability.)



* ''Series/TwelveMonkeys'': {{Discussed|Trope}} frequently by the characters. Most notably, Cole must avoid 'corrupting' Cassandra's timeline too much because that would prevent her from recording the message that led to his time-travel mission. Then again [[spoiler: the paradox that would be caused by preventing the plague seems to concern no one]].
* The 2008 miniseries ''Series/TheAndromedaStrain'' not only implies that the outbreak in the future is set off by the sample in/from the past, it also implies that [[ThePlague the virus]] itself [[OhCrap may posses]] at least [[ItCanThink some rudimentary intelligence]]!
* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** In "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E13TheBigBang "The Big Bang"]], the Doctor avoids the physical paradox by throwing away a note written by his future self and placed in the past, but the information on the note is still the source of the information on the note.
** Then, there's the comic relief special [[Recap/DoctorWho2007CiNSTimeCrash "Time Crash"]]: the Tenth Doctor and the Fifth Doctor meet. Ten knows what to do about a certain problem because when he was Five, he had experienced these events and watched his future self do it. When ''one of the Doctors'' points out how that makes no effing sense, they both say "Wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey" and move on.
** Even more gloriously: in the {{Trope Nam|ers}}ing [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E10Blink episode]] for TimeyWimeyBall, the Doctor was just reading from a script in the past, written down by the protagonists in the present and given to him in the future, so that both sides can communicate across 40 years (he leaves a recorded message, with pauses for the protagonists to "answer," they write down what everybody is saying, they then give the transcript to the Doctor in the future so that he knows what to say on the message and what they're saying back). In this, he famously describes time as a "ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... stuff," allegedly pausing because he can't think of what to say, but actually embarrassed that the StableTimeLoop invented [[ARareSentence THAT]] for him to say. He did not describe time that way, TIME described time that way!
** In [[Recap/DoctorWho2011RNDSSpaceAndTime "Space" and "Time"]], the two part mini adventure where the TARDIS materializes inside itself, the Doctor knows he needs to create a controlled temporal implosion, but doesn't know which lever to use to trigger the implosion. Cue the arrival of a future Doctor with said knowledge. The Doctor then uses the lever and then quickly runs into the Police Box, becoming the future Doctor telling his past self which lever to use. Now, answer me this. Where exactly did the knowledge of which lever to use come from?
** In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E3UnderTheLake "Under the Lake"]]/[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E4BeforeTheFlood "Before the Flood"]], an ontological paradox, referred to in this as a bootstrap paradox, is the central theme of the second episode. The Doctor's ghost is revealed to be a hologram created by the Doctor's Sonic Sunglasses, and everything the ghost said was programmed in by the Doctor. The thing is, the Doctor only knew to create the hologram because he saw the ghost and was told what it said. So, when exactly did the Doctor come up with the idea for the ghost and what it said? Also in "Before the Flood", the Doctor gives a hypothetical example of this paradox featuring Beethoven.
** The Series 9 finale [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent "Hell Bent"]] a few episodes later hinges on the Doctor trying to [[spoiler: save Clara Oswald from being Killed Off For Real . . . an event he witnessed]]. Because he would not be doing this if [[spoiler: she were still alive]], the Time Lords fear a potentially RealityBreakingParadox will be created. Everyone, ''even Clara herself'', feels that he is going much too far in trying to save her and is terrified he'll beak the universe. He does manage to save her without ruining reality - she exists in a timey-wimey state where she can continue to live normally even though 'time doesn't pass' for her. She must ''eventually'' return to die where and when history marks her FinalDeath, but as she puts it, she's taking the long way around. It's a BittersweetEnding, though - when she realized what he was potentially risking, [[spoiler: Clara wiped the Doctor's memory of her so he won't continue to be, well, ''hellbent'' on protecting her]].
* A ''Reverse Grandfather'' paradox occurs in the Series/{{Farscape}} episode ''Kansas'': In order to convince his dad to not go on the ''Challenger'' mission, Crichton sets up a scenario he remembers from his childhood where he was trapped in a burning building and his dad saved him. When the time for the rescue actually occurs, Dad gets injured and older John has to save both his father and his younger self.
* As of the season 3 finale of ''Series/{{Fringe}}'' it is revealed that [[spoiler:the machine left by the first people actually came to be scattered in the past by a future Walter Bishop who sent his machine back through a wormhole leading to the Paleolithic era]]. This means that [[spoiler:the machine]] both came from nowhere and is infinitely old.
* In the ''Series/GameOfThrones'' episode "The Door" it is revealed that the reason why Hodor can only say that word is [[spoiler:because Bran warged into his head when he was a child at the same time they were attacked by White Walkers, thus causing him some sort of damage. Hodor is actually a contraction of Meera's orders: Hold the Door]].
* The Series/KamenRiderFourze[=/=]Series/KamenRiderWizard CrossOver film ''Movie Wars Ultimatum'' contains two separate Object Loops, both caused by the Fourze portion being set five years in the future and having the Future versions of Gentaro, [[SecondRider Ryusei, and Nadeshiko]] coming back to the present to team up with Haruto (Wizard):
** First is the Fourze Connect Ring. When Future-Gentaro comes upon the Wizard plot, he simply pulls the ring out of nowhere and uses it to help Haruto fight off the film's {{Big Bad}}s. Before returning to his own time, Future-Gentaro asks Haruto to give his present self the ring (as well as the present [[TransformationTrinket Fourze Driver]], which he borrowed from his present self).
** Second, and more confusing, is Gentaro's class photograph. Future-Gentaro says that he was inspired to become a teacher by a picture of himself with a class of students; when he shows it to his friend Kengo, the latter remarks on how dog-eared it is. When Future-Gentaro [[NeverTheSelvesShallMeet pulls his past self aside]] [[AvertedTrope to borrow the Fourze Driver]], the photo falls out of his jacket, and at the end of the movie we see that Present-Gentaro found it. While we do see the photograph being taken, this happens ''after'' Future-Gentaro returns to his time, meaning the photo still technically appears ''ex nihilo''.



* In ''Series/RedDwarf,'' Kryten's last words (in a timeline that is eventually undone) are the words he knew he would say because he saw his future self die earlier in the episode. Somehow, though he only said it because he knew he was going to, "enig" turns out to be ''important'', short for "enigma". Of course, ''Red Dwarf'' is hardly anyone's idea of "hard SF".
* An episode of ''Series/TheTwilightZone2002'' named ''Cradle of Darkness'' has a time traveller woman in the mission to kill Hitler as a baby. Realizing that it was Hitler's upbringing under an authoritarian and racist father which made him bad, she [[spoiler:kills herself and the baby]], causing the paradox when the Hitlers' maid servant [[spoiler:bring home another baby bought to a beggar mother who resembles Hitler]].



* As of the season 3 finale of ''Series/{{Fringe}}'' it is revealed that [[spoiler:the machine left by the first people actually came to be scattered in the past by a future Walter Bishop who sent his machine back through a wormhole leading to the paleolithic era]]. This means that [[spoiler:the machine]] both came from nowhere and is infinitely old.
* Another ''Series/DoctorWho'' example: In "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E13TheBigBang The Big Bang]]", the Doctor avoids the physical paradox by throwing away a note written by his future self and placed in the past, but the information on the note is still the source of the information on the note.
** Then, there's the comic relief special "Time Crash": the Tenth Doctor and the Fifth Doctor meet. Ten knows what to do about a certain problem because when he was Five, he had experienced these events and watched his future self do it. When ''one of the Doctors'' points out how that makes no effing sense, they both say "Wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey" and move on.
** Even more gloriously: in the {{Trope Namer|s}} [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E10Blink episode]] for TimeyWimeyBall, the Doctor was just reading from a script in the past, written down by the protagonists in the present and given to him in the future, so that both sides can communicate across 40 years (he leaves a recorded message, with pauses for the protagonists to "answer," they write down what everybody is saying, they then give the transcript to the Doctor in the future so that he knows what to say on the message and what they're saying back). In this, he famously describes time as a "ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... stuff," allegedly pausing because he can't think of what to say, but actually embarrassed that the StableTimeLoop invented [[ARareSentence THAT]] for him to say. He did not describe time that way, TIME described time that way!
** In "Space" and "Time", the two part mini adventure where the TARDIS materializes inside itself, the Doctor knows he needs to create a controlled temporal implosion, but doesn't know which lever to use to trigger the implosion. Cue the arrival of a future Doctor with said knowledge. The Doctor then uses the lever and then quickly runs into the Police Box, becoming the future Doctor telling his past self which lever to use. Now, answer me this. Where exactly did the knowledge of which lever to use come from?
** In the two part adventure, "Under the Lake" and "Before the Flood", an ontological paradox, referred to in this as a bootstrap paradox, is the central theme of "Before the Flood". The Doctor's ghost is revealed to be a hologram created by the Doctor's Sonic Sunglasses, and everything the ghost said was programmed in by the Doctor. The thing is, the Doctor only knew to create the hologram because he saw the ghost and was told what it said. So, when exactly did the Doctor come up with the idea for the ghost and what it said? Also in "Before the Flood", the Doctor gives a hypothetical example of this paradox featuring Beethoven.
** The Series 9 finale "Hell Bent" a few episodes later hinges on the Doctor trying to [[spoiler: save Clara Oswald from being Killed Off For Real...an event he witnessed]]. Because he would not be doing this if [[spoiler: she were still alive]], the Time Lords fear a potentially RealityBreakingParadox will be created. Everyone, ''even Clara herself,'' feels that he is going much too far in trying to save her and is terrified he'll beak the universe. He does manage to save her without ruining reality - she exists in a timey-wimey state where she can continue to live normally even though 'time doesn't pass' for her. She must ''eventually'' return to die where and when history marks her FinalDeath, but as she puts it, she's taking the long way around. It's a BittersweetEnding, though - when she realized what he was potentially risking, [[spoiler: Clara wiped the Doctor's memory of her so he won't continue to be, well, ''hellbent'' on protecting her]].
* In ''Series/RedDwarf,'' Kryten's last words (in a timeline that is eventually undone) are the words he knew he would say because he saw his future self die earlier in the episode. Somehow, though he only said it because he knew he was going to, "enig" turns out to be ''important,'' short for "enigma." Of course, ''Red Dwarf'' is hardly anyone's idea of "hard SF."
* A ''Reverse Grandfather'' paradox occurs in the Series/{{Farscape}} episode ''Kansas'': In order to convince his dad to not go on the ''Challenger'' mission, Crichton sets up a scenario he remembers from his childhood where he was trapped in a burning building and his dad saved him. When the time for the rescue actually occurs, Dad gets injured and older John has to save both his father and his younger self.
* The Series/KamenRiderFourze[=/=]Series/KamenRiderWizard CrossOver film ''Movie Wars Ultimatum'' contains two separate Object Loops, both caused by the Fourze portion being set five years in the future and having the Future versions of Gentaro, [[SecondRider Ryusei, and Nadeshiko]] coming back to the present to team up with Haruto (Wizard):
** First is the Fourze Connect Ring. When Future-Gentaro comes upon the Wizard plot, he simply pulls the ring out of nowhere and uses it to help Haruto fight off the film's {{Big Bad}}s. Before returning to his own time, Future-Gentaro asks Haruto to give his present self the ring (as well as the present [[TransformationTrinket Fourze Driver]], which he borrowed from his present self).
** Second, and more confusing, is Gentaro's class photograph. Future-Gentaro says that he was inspired to become a teacher by a picture of himself with a class of students; when he shows it to his friend Kengo, the latter remarks on how dog-eared it is. When Future-Gentaro [[NeverTheSelvesShallMeet pulls his past self aside]] [[AvertedTrope to borrow the Fourze Driver]], the photo falls out of his jacket, and at the end of the movie we see that Present-Gentaro found it. While we do see the photograph being taken, this happens ''after'' Future-Gentaro returns to his time, meaning the photo still technically appears ''ex nihilo''.
* The 2008 miniseries ''Series/TheAndromedaStrain'' not only implies that the outbreak in the future is set off by the sample in/from the past, it also implies that [[ThePlague the virus]] itself [[OhCrap may posses]] at least [[ItCanThink some rudimentary intelligence]]!
* ''Series/TwelveMonkeys'': {{Discussed|Trope}} frequently by the characters. Most notably, Cole must avoid 'corrupting' Cassandra's timeline too much because that would prevent her from recording the message that led to his time-travel mission. Then again [[spoiler: the paradox that would be caused by preventing the plague seems to concern no one]].
* An episode of ''Series/TheTwilightZone2002'' named ''Cradle of Darkness'' has a time traveller woman in the mission to kill Hitler as a baby. Realizing that it was Hitler's upbringing under an authoritarian and racist father which made him bad, she [[spoiler:kills herself and the baby]], causing the paradox when the Hitlers' maid servant [[spoiler:bring home another baby bought to a beggar mother who resembles Hitler]].
* In the ''Series/GameOfThrones'' episode ''The Door'' it is revealed that the reason why Hodor can only say that word is [[spoiler:because Bran warged into his head when he was a child at the same time they were attacked by White Walkers, thus causing him some sort of damage. Hodor is actually a contraction of Meera's orders: Hold the Door]].
8th Mar '17 3:16:27 AM PehesIII
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* Starlight Glimmer's revenge plot in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' results in this: she travels back in time to prevent the Sonic Rainboom that gave the Mane Six their Cutie Marks...to get revenge on them for foiling her actions in Our Town in the season premier, meaning she'd negate her own reason for going back in time in the first place. Though her and Twilight seem to be immune to the timeline changes. Unlike many events, this actually ''does'' cause serious issues: each change to the past she makes causes a BadFuture worse and worse than the last.

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* Starlight Glimmer's revenge plot in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' results in this: she travels back in time to prevent the Sonic Rainboom that gave the Mane Six their Cutie Marks...to get revenge on them for foiling her actions in Our Town in the season premier, meaning she'd negate her own reason for going back in time in the first place. Though her and Twilight seem to be immune to the timeline changes. Unlike many events, this actually ''does'' cause serious issues: each change to the past she makes causes a BadFuture worse and worse than the last.last [[note]]Although the simple fact that Twilight Sparkle is able to visit several altered futures is left unexplained : Nightmare Moon's return was the first catastrophy which the main characters stopped, but no trace of it subsists in several alternate futures, ruled by villains who showed up ''after'' the Mare in the Moon. But WMG is probably here to solve this.[[/note]]
7th Mar '17 1:22:01 AM PaulA
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* The Creator/{{Infocom}} InteractiveFiction game ''Trinity'' combines this with a StableTimeLoop: [[spoiler:Moments before London is destroyed by a nuclear attack, you go back in time to sabotage the original Trinity test and prevent atomic weapons from ever being used.... Unfortunately, as your SpiritAdvisor explains, that would change history so that you were never born, thus creating a paradox. The universe, fortunately, resolves the paradox by making a small explosion every time one of the atomic weapons that should not exist is detonated (i.e., destroying a city instead of destroying most of New Mexico as it should) and sends you back to London before the bomb is dropped to do it all over again....]]

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* The Creator/{{Infocom}} InteractiveFiction game ''Trinity'' ''VideoGame/{{Trinity}}'' combines this with a StableTimeLoop: [[spoiler:Moments before London is destroyed by a nuclear attack, you go back in time to sabotage the original Trinity test and prevent atomic weapons from ever being used.... Unfortunately, as your SpiritAdvisor explains, that would change history so that you were never born, thus creating a paradox. The universe, fortunately, resolves the paradox by making a small explosion every time one of the atomic weapons that should not exist is detonated (i.e., destroying a city instead of destroying most of New Mexico as it should) and sends you back to London before the bomb is dropped to do it all over again....]]
19th Feb '17 10:16:19 AM eroock
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* [[http://www.cheercomic.com/?date=2008-01-31 This is confusing.]] How is a flashback to the childhoods of the ''Webcomic/{{Cheer}}'' girls even possible? Weren't they, you know, ''boys''? Just how much of the past did Miranda rewrite to cover up Anne's mistakes? Is it like what happens when a Webcomic/{{misfile}} occurs? Argh...maybe it's best to pretend this isn't canon, especially seeing as there are [[http://thewotch.com/index.php?epDate=2005-10-11 lots of]] [[http://thewotch.com/index.php?epDate=2005-10-19 people]] [[http://www.cheercomic.com/?date=2006-05-30 who still remember.]]

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* [[http://www.[[https://web.archive.org/web/20150905141225/http://www.cheercomic.com/?date=2008-01-31 This is confusing.]] How is a flashback to the childhoods of the ''Webcomic/{{Cheer}}'' girls even possible? Weren't they, you know, ''boys''? Just how much of the past did Miranda rewrite to cover up Anne's mistakes? Is it like what happens when a Webcomic/{{misfile}} occurs? Argh...maybe it's best to pretend this isn't canon, especially seeing as there are [[http://thewotch.com/index.php?epDate=2005-10-11 lots of]] [[http://thewotch.com/index.php?epDate=2005-10-19 people]] [[http://www.[[https://web.archive.org/web/20150905135448/http://www.cheercomic.com/?date=2006-05-30 who still remember.]]
7th Feb '17 4:58:23 PM SteveMB
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' three-parter "A Sitch in Time", future-Shego gives present-Shego a plan to use the Time Monkey to {{take over the world}}. Coming up with this sort of plan [[BrilliantButLazy on her own initiative]] isn't really like her -- but she didn't have to, she just had to remember what she'd been told and go back in time to repeat it to herself.
4th Feb '17 3:58:18 PM Rodrigokun
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* In ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', in one episode, Sheldon, Leonard, Raj, and Walowitz buy the original time machine prop. Events in the episode lead to Sheldon and Leonard trying to decide if Leonard could have gone back in time to stop himself from buying the time machine, leading Sheldon to say, basically, "No."

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* In ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', in one episode, Sheldon, Leonard, Raj, and Walowitz Wolowitz buy the original time machine prop. Events in the episode lead to Sheldon and Leonard trying to decide if Leonard could have gone back in time to stop himself from buying the time machine, leading Sheldon to say, basically, "No."
27th Dec '16 1:27:00 PM PhantomRider
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** The Series 9 finale "Hell Bent" a few episodes later hinges on the Doctor trying to [[spoiler: save Clara Oswald from being Killed Off For Real...an event he witnessed]]. Because he would not be doing this if [[spoiler: she were still alive]], he creates a potentially RealityBreakingParadox, the sort of thing he usually helps to ''stop''' in other episodes -- a sign he's been DrivenTomadness and no longer cares about anyone's needs but his own. He is unable to completely pull off the paradox, but he is returned to his best self before he crosses the MoralEventHorizon.

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** The Series 9 finale "Hell Bent" a few episodes later hinges on the Doctor trying to [[spoiler: save Clara Oswald from being Killed Off For Real...an event he witnessed]]. Because he would not be doing this if [[spoiler: she were still alive]], he creates the Time Lords fear a potentially RealityBreakingParadox, the sort of thing he usually helps to ''stop''' in other episodes -- a sign he's been DrivenTomadness and no longer cares about anyone's needs but his own. He is unable to completely pull off the paradox, but RealityBreakingParadox will be created. Everyone, ''even Clara herself,'' feels that he is returned going much too far in trying to his best self before he crosses save her and is terrified he'll beak the MoralEventHorizon.universe. He does manage to save her without ruining reality - she exists in a timey-wimey state where she can continue to live normally even though 'time doesn't pass' for her. She must ''eventually'' return to die where and when history marks her FinalDeath, but as she puts it, she's taking the long way around. It's a BittersweetEnding, though - when she realized what he was potentially risking, [[spoiler: Clara wiped the Doctor's memory of her so he won't continue to be, well, ''hellbent'' on protecting her]].
28th Oct '16 4:58:35 PM Steven
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' has an interesting case of reverse grandfather paradox in the climax of the story for the final raid segment of the primal Alexander. The player character, Biggs, Wedge, and Cid are caught in a TimeStandsStill bubble that freezes them in place while the BigBad orders Alexander to blast the heroes to bits with a giant laser. At the last moment, the party is freed from the time freeze and dive out of the way. Once you fight Alexander himself, he sends several minions into a portal to be sent back in time and several of your party members need to follow them in order to stop them. [[spoiler: You travel back in time to the very moment where your past self was frozen in time and it was the minions that caused the time freeze. By destroying the minions, you become the exact reason why the time freeze was undone and basically saved your past self, creating a StableTimeLoop. However, if you don't destroy the minions fast enough, Alexander's past self successfully kills your past self, which causes a paradox and kills the entire party instantly.]]
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* FinalFantasyXIV has this all throughout the Alexander story line. For example, in the final fight [[spoiler: the boss sends several minions into the past to freeze time around your characters '''before''' you entered the fight, so he can kill you. Your own party has to follow the minions back, destroy them to break the time bubble around your past self so that you can dodge Alexander's attack. If you fail to stop the minions, you are killed in the past and die in the present.]]

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* FinalFantasyXIV has this all throughout the Alexander story line. For example, in the final fight [[spoiler: the boss sends several minions into the past to freeze time around your characters '''before''' you entered the fight, so he can kill you. Your own party has to follow the minions back, back and destroy them to break the time bubble around your past self so that you can dodge Alexander's attack. If you fail to stop the minions, you are killed in the past and die in the present.]]
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* FinalFantasyXIV has this all throughout the Alexander story line. For example, in the final fight [[spoiler: the boss sends several minions into the past to freeze time around your characters '''before''' you entered the fight, so he can kill you. Your own party has to follow the minions back, destroy them to break the time bubble around your past self so that you can dodge Alexander's attack. If you fail to stop the minions, you are killed in the past and die in the present.]]
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