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7th Feb '16 1:54:41 PM johnnye
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This is all a bit mental-health soap-boxy. We're trying to clearly define a trope.
It seems that in fiction [[SplitPersonality split personalities]] can talk to each other, manifesting as HearingVoices. Never mind that only one of them is "awake" at one time, the other(s) being separated until they think they need to come "forward". Never mind that they are completely different people, with different opinions, experiences, and beliefs caused by each only seeing one part of the picture. A character with split personality also seems to be split between good and evil, like an EvilTwin, even though split personalities are often many "people" -- such as the protector, snob, scared one, bitter one, etc. Not to be confused with TalkingToHimself or ThinkingOutLoud. Compare HoldingBothSidesOfTheConversation, where one person is ''pretending'' to be two different people (at the same time, in conversation) in order to maintain some charade. This is a specific form of ShiftingVoiceOfMadness, where the "voices" are in conversation with each other. Very important: ''do not'' confuse ThinkingOutLoud with this. ThinkingOutLoud is not a symptom of mental illness in most cases (and is actually a ''recommended coping mechanism'' for ADD/ADHD, some learning disabilities, those recovering from a stimulant drug addiction, or similar persons with attention or concentration deficit issues), and is instead a way of maintaining focus or processing information on a task.
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It seems that in fiction [[SplitPersonality split personalities]] can talk to each other, manifesting as HearingVoices. Never mind that only one of them is "awake" at one time, Sometimes the other(s) being separated until they think they need to come "forward". Never mind that they are completely different people, with different opinions, experiences, and beliefs caused by each only seeing one part of the picture. A character with split personality also seems to be split between good and evil, like an EvilTwin, even though split various personalities are often many "people" -- such as will talk to each other inside the protector, snob, scared one, bitter one, etc. character's head, sometimes one of them (by implication the "real" or "dominant" one) will talk out loud, and sometimes they'll ''all'' talk out loud, being distinguished by cinematography, facial expression or vocal differences. Needless to say, this isn't an accurate depiction of multiple personality disorder -- see SplitPersonality for a more in-depth explanation. Even entirely sane (or ''[[CloudCuckoolander mostly]]'' sane) people can be prone to this trope, if the other voices represent simple conflicting desires like "brain versus heart", "[[IdSuperegoAndEgo id versus superego]]", or GoodAngelBadAngel. Not to be confused with TalkingToHimself or ThinkingOutLoud.TalkingToHimself, which is about characters sharing a voice actor. Compare HoldingBothSidesOfTheConversation, where one person is ''pretending'' to be two different people (at the same time, in conversation) in order to maintain some charade. This is a specific form of ShiftingVoiceOfMadness, where the "voices" are in conversation with each other. Very important: ''do not'' confuse ThinkingOutLoud with this. ThinkingOutLoud Thinking Out Loud is not a symptom of mental illness in most cases (and cases[[note]](and is actually a ''recommended coping mechanism'' for ADD/ADHD, some learning disabilities, those recovering from a stimulant drug addiction, or similar persons with attention or concentration deficit issues), and is instead a way of maintaining focus or processing information on a task. issues).[[/note]]

* SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} does that in a way that BreaksTheFourthWall: he has entire discussions with his own thought boxes. Of which he has two distinct sets: the first set was originally the standard yellow narration boxes often seen in comics, except that he interacts with them. Some time in the 2000's, a second set appeared, white boxes written in Courier, as though it was being written on a typewriter. Thus far, the two voices haven't developed seperate personalities, and bear a suspicious resemblence to Crow and Tom Servo. This being Deadpool, he is aware that the reader can see them.
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* SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} does that in a way that BreaksTheFourthWall: he has entire discussions with his own thought boxes. Of which he has two distinct sets: the first set was originally the standard yellow narration boxes often seen in comics, except that he interacts with them. Some time in the 2000's, a second set appeared, white boxes written in Courier, as though it was being written on a typewriter. Thus far, the two voices haven't developed seperate separate personalities, and bear a suspicious resemblence resemblance to Crow and Tom Servo. This being Deadpool, he is aware that the reader can see them.

* Since their rebirth as a child ''Seldemonstrating/{{Loki}}'' has this. [[spoiler:In ''Comicbook/JourneyIntoMystery'' Kid!Loki's pet magpie, and evil advisor, Ikol existed only in his head and was the remnant of his old self's consciousness. In ''Comicbook/YoungAvengers'' and later ''Comicbook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'' their BodySnatcher old self has the Kid around, who acts as conscience.]]
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* Since their rebirth as a child ''Seldemonstrating/{{Loki}}'' ''SelfDemonstrating/{{Loki}}'' has this. [[spoiler:In ''Comicbook/JourneyIntoMystery'' Kid!Loki's pet magpie, and evil advisor, Ikol existed only in his head and was the remnant of his old self's consciousness. In ''Comicbook/YoungAvengers'' and later ''Comicbook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'' their BodySnatcher old self has the Kid around, who acts as conscience.]]
7th Jan '16 6:57:15 PM Sharlee
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7th Jan '16 6:56:17 PM Sharlee
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* In ''VideoGame/DarkFall: Lost Souls'', [[spoiler: it's a case of ''Texting'' To Themself, as it turns out that "Echo" is the Inspector's own nagging conscience.]]
10th Dec '15 7:45:55 PM nombretomado
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* Triplicate Girl/Triad from the ''ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}'' does this very often when her three bodies are separate, the three of them talking amongst themselves and even arguing at times. This is especially true for her Post-''{{Zero|Hour}} [[CrisisCrossover Hour]]'' reboot version.(While her powers are common for the inhabitants of her planet, this sort of behavior is not; they consider it a form of insanity, although her grandmother insisted it was natural.)
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* Triplicate Girl/Triad from the ''ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}'' does this very often when her three bodies are separate, the three of them talking amongst themselves and even arguing at times. This is especially true for her Post-''{{Zero|Hour}} Post-''ComicBook/{{Zero|Hour}} [[CrisisCrossover Hour]]'' reboot version.(While her powers are common for the inhabitants of her planet, this sort of behavior is not; they consider it a form of insanity, although her grandmother insisted it was natural.)
27th Sep '15 10:26:05 AM Lyendith
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The line saying that they can't talk in their mind was a translation error. The Japanese line says they can.
* [[SplitPersonality SplitPersonalities]] Shirou and Shiho from ''Manga/MyMonsterSecret'' can't talk in their minds. What they can do, however, is for each of them to take control of separate body parts, and talk to each other from the parts they control. The fact that there are voices coming out from places without mouths is never addressed.
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* [[SplitPersonality SplitPersonalities]] Shirou and Shiho from ''Manga/MyMonsterSecret'' can't can talk in inside their minds. What mind, but they can do, however, is for each of them to also take control of separate body parts, and talk to each other from the parts they control. The fact that there are voices coming out from places without mouths is never addressed.
16th Sep '15 7:43:48 AM crazysamaritan
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Not to be confused with TalkingToHimself or ThinkingOutLoud. Compare HoldingBothSidesOfTheConversation, where one person is ''pretending'' to be two different people (at the same time, in conversation) in order to maintain some charade.
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Not to be confused with TalkingToHimself or ThinkingOutLoud. Compare HoldingBothSidesOfTheConversation, where one person is ''pretending'' to be two different people (at the same time, in conversation) in order to maintain some charade. charade. This is a specific form of ShiftingVoiceOfMadness, where the "voices" are in conversation with each other.

* In ''Film/BreakingTheWaves'', Bess talks to God, and then she answers herself in "God's" voice.
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* In ''Film/BreakingTheWaves'', Bess has some kind of SplitPersonality; she talks to God, and then [[http://youtu.be/KgtP2kXtCQA?t=2m10s she answers herself in "God's" voice.]]
1st Sep '15 6:35:17 AM Kakai
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* Anna and Susan do this in ''WebComic/Sire'' when they want to discuss private matters, such as Emilie [[spoiler: being descended from InspectorJavert]] or [[spoiler: how none of the other characters know that they were the ones that murdered Paul.]]
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* Anna and Susan do this in ''WebComic/Sire'' ''WebComic/{{Sire}}'' when they want to discuss private matters, such as Emilie [[spoiler: being descended from InspectorJavert]] or [[spoiler: how none of the other characters know that they were the ones that murdered Paul.]]]] * How Hyde and Jekyll converse in ''Webcomic/TheGlassScientists'', at least when Hyde's in charge. It's unknown yet whether the same is true when Jekyll's in control.
17th Aug '15 12:02:14 PM Morgenthaler
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Trope that doesn't exist.
* A third-season episode of ''Series/BabylonFive'' has Doctor Franklin get stabbed while stopping someone from being killed in [[TheCityNarrows Down Below]], and being left for dead. As he calls for help, he is answered... by a hallucination of himself, in all his DoctorJerk glory. What ensues is a withering TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, with Hallucination!Franklin telling Bleeding!Franklin that he is a failure, that he always runs away from his problems rather than face them, that if he had another chance, that he'd screw it all up anyways. This turns into a RousingSpeech after Franklin [[IWantToLive refuses to give up]], even if it ''does'' mean failing more, as his hallucination drives him to drag himself, bleeding, to a populated part of the station to seek help.
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* A third-season episode of ''Series/BabylonFive'' has Doctor Franklin get stabbed while stopping someone from being killed in [[TheCityNarrows Down Below]], and being left for dead. As he calls for help, he is answered... by a hallucination of himself, in all his DoctorJerk glory. What ensues is a withering TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, with Hallucination!Franklin telling Bleeding!Franklin that he is a failure, that he always runs away from his problems rather than face them, that if he had another chance, that he'd screw it all up anyways. This turns into a RousingSpeech after Franklin [[IWantToLive refuses to give up]], up, even if it ''does'' mean failing more, as his hallucination drives him to drag himself, bleeding, to a populated part of the station to seek help.
11th Aug '15 2:15:41 PM harostar
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* In ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'', one of the major symptoms of Kaneki's SanitySlippage is having conversations with an imaginary Rize. She readily informs him that she's merely a part of his subconscious, given a form that lets him distance himself from those darker impulses and thoughts. In the sequel, Sasaki experiences the same hallucinated conversations with [[spoiler: a Kakuja-form Kaneki]] and later, the two make peace and begin readily carrying on conversations with each other. Whether it's a genuine case of SplitPersonality or not is unclear.
26th Jul '15 10:16:25 PM joepro9950
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** It was revealed in a Deadpool annual that the white caption boxes were, in fact, the old supervillain Madcap, who also was insane and had a complete healing factor. Apparently, they were both blasted to ash and their ashes co-mingled, so when Deadpool reformed Madcap was trapped inside his head. [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext This being a Deadpool comic, that is the extent of the explanation we get.]]
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