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22nd Apr '16 4:07:12 PM fruitstripegum
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* ''WesternAnimation/TaleSpin'' has a [[GenderInvertedTropes gender inversion]] - Higher for Hire's business is suffering because its boss is female, so Baloo decides to enter an air scavenger hunt. In order to do so, he needs someone to sponsor him, but only an all-female aviation club will sponsor Higher for Hire, so he disguises himself as a lady.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TaleSpin'' has a [[GenderInvertedTropes [[GenderInvertedTrope gender inversion]] - Higher for Hire's business is suffering because its boss is female, so Baloo decides to enter an air scavenger hunt. In order to do so, he needs someone to sponsor him, but only an all-female aviation club will sponsor Higher for Hire, so he disguises himself as a lady.
22nd Apr '16 4:05:46 PM fruitstripegum
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* ''WesternAnimation/TaleSpin'' has a [[GenderInvertedTropes gender inversion]] - Higher for Hire's business is suffering because its boss is female, so Baloo decides to enter an air scavenger hunt. In order to do so, he needs someone to sponsor him, but only an all-female aviation club will sponsor Higher for Hire, so he disguises himself as a lady.
19th Apr '16 3:09:27 PM Sharlee
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* In the earliest days of the Boy Scouts organization, girls who wanted to participate occasionally dressed in their brothers' clothing and came to meetings under male aliases. This largely ended when the Girl Scouts were founded, although some SweetPollyOliver scouts maintained the ruse long enough to finish Boy Scout projects in progress.

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* In the earliest days of the Boy Scouts organization, girls who wanted to participate occasionally dressed in their brothers' clothing and came to meetings under male aliases. This largely ended when the Girl Scouts were founded, although some SweetPollyOliver scouts maintained the ruse long enough to finish Boy Scout scoutcraft projects in progress.
19th Apr '16 3:08:43 PM Sharlee
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* In the earliest days of the Boy Scouts organization, girls who wanted to participate occasionally dressed in their brothers' clothing and came to meetings under male aliases. This largely ended when the Girl Scouts were founded, although some SweetPollyOliver scouts maintained the ruse long enough to finish Boy Scout projects in progress.
17th Apr '16 10:50:50 AM Eievie
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->''"As sweet Polly Oliver lay musing in bed,''\\
''A sudden strange fancy came into her head.''\\
''Nor father nor mother shall make me false prove:''\\
''I'll 'list as a soldier and follow my love.''\\

->''So early next morning she softly arose,''\\
''and dressed herself up in her dead brother's clothes,''\\
''She cut her hair close, and she stained her face brown,''\\
''And went for a soldier to fair London town."''

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->''"As sweet Polly Oliver lay musing in bed,''\\
''A
bed,\\
A
sudden strange fancy came into her head.''\\
''Nor
\\
Nor
father nor mother shall make me false prove:''\\
''I'll
prove:\\
I'll
'list as a soldier and follow my love.''\\

''

->''So early next morning she softly arose,''\\
''and
arose,\\
and
dressed herself up in her dead brother's clothes,''\\
''She
clothes,\\
She
cut her hair close, and she stained her face brown,''\\
''And
brown,\\
And
went for a soldier to fair London town."''



Many times when this is done in film and TV, the actress playing the crossdressing character rarely does a convincing job (see HollywoodHomely), requiring SuspensionOfDisbelief on the part of the audience that the other characters encountering her really believe she is a man/boy. On the other hand, quite a few women really did get away with this surprisingly easily in the past, which ''The Folklore of Discworld'' phrases as "in an age before unisex fashions, trousers meant 'man' and skirts meant 'woman'. Trousers plus high-pitched voice meant 'young man'. People didn't expect anything else, and saw what they expected to see." As a type of WeirdnessCensor, the human mind will simply ignore small details that could give the ruse away, once it has classified a person as either male or female. And in societies in which male and female gender roles are clearly separated with no room for overlaps, this effect would be even stronger, as the idea of meeting a crossdresser would be even more inconceivable than it is today.

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Many times when this is done in film and TV, the actress playing the crossdressing character rarely does a convincing job (see HollywoodHomely), requiring SuspensionOfDisbelief on the part of the audience that the other characters encountering her really believe she is a man/boy. On the other hand, quite a few women really did get away with this surprisingly easily in the past, which ''The Folklore of Discworld'' phrases as "in as:
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an age before unisex fashions, trousers meant 'man' and skirts meant 'woman'. Trousers plus high-pitched voice meant 'young man'. People didn't expect anything else, and saw what they expected to see." see.
As a type of WeirdnessCensor, the human mind will simply ignore small details that could give the ruse away, once it has classified a person as either male or female. And in societies in which male and female gender roles are clearly separated with no room for overlaps, this effect would be even stronger, as the idea of meeting a crossdresser would be even more inconceivable than it is today.



* ''Manga/{{Basara}}''; The story takes place in a future Japan, reduced to a barren desert by a catastrophe at the end of the 21st century. The main character is Sarasa, a girl whose twin brother, Tatara, is prophesied to be the "child of destiny" who will bring back the country's independence and stop the tyrannical rule of the Empire, namely the Red King. When Tatara is killed, Sarasa pretends to be him in order to keep the downtrodden from losing hope.

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* ''Manga/{{Basara}}''; ''Manga/{{Basara}}'': The story takes place in a future Japan, reduced to a barren desert by a catastrophe at the end of the 21st century. The main character is Sarasa, a girl whose twin brother, Tatara, is prophesied to be the "child of destiny" who will bring back the country's independence and stop the tyrannical rule of the Empire, namely the Red King. When Tatara is killed, Sarasa pretends to be him in order to keep the downtrodden from losing hope.
17th Apr '16 8:37:04 AM PurpleSmart
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': In the episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E5GauntletOfFire Gauntlet of Fire]]", dragon princess Ember disguises herself as a male dragon to compete in a [[DeathCourse Death Course]], even faking a deeper voice when forced to talk. However, it is [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] to an extent, since it's not that female dragons ''weren't'' allowed, but rather that she did not want to be recognized after her father explicitly told her not to compete.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': In the episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E5GauntletOfFire Gauntlet of Fire]]", dragon princess Ember disguises herself as a male dragon to compete in a [[DeathCourse Death Course]], even faking a deeper voice when forced to talk. However, it is [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] to an extent, since it's not that female dragons ''weren't'' allowed, but rather that she did not want to be recognized after her [[RebelliousPrincess father explicitly told her not to compete.compete]].
17th Apr '16 8:32:54 AM PurpleSmart
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': In the episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E5GauntletOfFire Gauntlet of Fire]]", dragon princess Ember disguises herself as a male dragon to compete in a [[DeathCourse Death Course]], even faking a deeper voice when forced to talk. However, it is [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] to an extent, since it's not that female dragons 'weren't' allowed, but rather that she did not want to be recognized after her father explicitly told her not to compete.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': In the episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E5GauntletOfFire Gauntlet of Fire]]", dragon princess Ember disguises herself as a male dragon to compete in a [[DeathCourse Death Course]], even faking a deeper voice when forced to talk. However, it is [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] to an extent, since it's not that female dragons 'weren't' ''weren't'' allowed, but rather that she did not want to be recognized after her father explicitly told her not to compete.
17th Apr '16 8:31:29 AM PurpleSmart
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': In the episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E5GauntletOfFire Gauntlet of Fire]]", dragon princess Ember disguises herself as a male dragon to compete in a [[DeathCourse]], even faking a deeper voice when forced to talk. However, it is [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] to an extent, since it's not that female dragons *weren't* allowed, but rather that she did not want to be recognized after her father explicitly told her not to compete.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': In the episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E5GauntletOfFire Gauntlet of Fire]]", dragon princess Ember disguises herself as a male dragon to compete in a [[DeathCourse]], [[DeathCourse Death Course]], even faking a deeper voice when forced to talk. However, it is [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] to an extent, since it's not that female dragons *weren't* 'weren't' allowed, but rather that she did not want to be recognized after her father explicitly told her not to compete.
17th Apr '16 8:30:11 AM PurpleSmart
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': In the episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E5GauntletOfFire Gauntlet of Fire]]", dragon princess Ember disguises herself as a male dragon to compete in a [[DeathCourse]], even faking a deeper voice when forced to talk. However, it is [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] to an extent, since it's not that female dragons *weren't* allowed, but rather that she did not want to be recognized after her father explicitly told her not to compete.
11th Apr '16 5:04:44 AM JustKnown
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* Amusingly subverted in ''The Curse of the Claw''episode of ''Series/RippingYarns'' (a parody of "The Monkey's Paw") with a character who only appears to be an obvious Sweet Polly Oliver because her strict Victorian upbringing was so strictly Victorian she doesn't know she's a woman (or indeed what women even are) (The hero is happy to enlighten her.)

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* Amusingly subverted in ''The Curse of the Claw''episode Claw'' episode of ''Series/RippingYarns'' (a parody of "The Monkey's Paw") with a character who only appears to be an obvious Sweet Polly Oliver because her strict Victorian upbringing was so strictly Victorian she doesn't know she's a woman (or indeed what women even are) (The are.) The hero is happy to enlighten "enlighten" her.)
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