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* When abandoning the current plan has costs that outweigh the benefit of switching to a better plan; for example, a penalty clause for cancellation of a contract that is higher than simply paying the contracted price until the contract runs out. Cell phones and cable[=/=]satellite services, health clubs, and auto leases often have these. (For example, a cell phone contract is 2 years at $20.00 a month, and has a $250.00 cancellation penalty. If 12 months or fewer remain on the contract, it costs ''more'' to cancel than it does to simply continue paying the contracted amount until the contract expires.) Another example would be, if in the contest above, the person had spent $11 rather than $8. Assuming victory was certain at $15, continuing to play would be a reasonable decision. Continuing to play costs them $15. Stopping after spending $11 and simply buying the prize elsewhere costs $16 -- the $11 already spent on the contest plus the $5 to buy the prize.
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* When abandoning the current plan has costs that outweigh the benefit of switching to a better plan; for example, a penalty clause for cancellation of a contract that is higher than simply paying the contracted price until the contract runs out. Cell phones and cable[=/=]satellite services, health clubs, and auto leases often have these. (For example, a cell phone contract is 2 years at $20.00 a month, and has a $250.00 cancellation penalty. If 12 months or fewer remain on the contract, it costs ''more'' to cancel than it does to simply continue paying the contracted amount until the contract expires.) Another example would be, if in the contest above, the person had spent $11 rather than $8. Assuming victory was certain at $15, continuing to play would be a reasonable decision. Continuing to play costs them $15. $4 more, making $15 total. Stopping after spending $11 and simply buying the prize elsewhere for $5 costs $16 total -- the $11 already spent on the contest plus the $5 to buy the prize. so why stop?
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** This was long argued to be the main reason why Russia lost the RussoJapaneseWar. By the end of the war Japan was winning militarily, but its economy was stretched to the breaking point, and their mobilization resources were completely depleted, as they've started drafting kids and geezers into the army, with the predictable outcome for troops quality and morale. Some analysts say that had the Russia pushed just for a couple of months more, even in the wake of the horrific losses like Tsushima and Mukden, Japan would've sued for peace. On the other hand the Tsar's government had really lousy intelligence and ''[[WhatAnIdiot didn't know that]]'', so they've decided to [[KnowWhenToFoldEm cut their losses]] and sued first.
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** This was long argued to be the main reason why Russia lost the RussoJapaneseWar. By the end of the war Japan was winning militarily, but its economy was stretched to the breaking point, and their mobilization resources were completely depleted, as they've started drafting kids and geezers into the army, with the predictable outcome for troops quality and morale. Some analysts say that had the Russia pushed just for a couple of months more, even in the wake of the horrific losses like Tsushima and Mukden, Japan would've sued for peace. On the other hand the Tsar's government had really lousy intelligence and ''[[WhatAnIdiot didn't know that]]'', so they've decided to [[KnowWhenToFoldEm cut their losses]] and sued first.
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** This was long argued to be the main reason why Russia lost the RussoJapaneseWar. By the end of the war Japan was winning militarily, but its economy was stretched to the breaking point, and their mobilization resources were completely depleted, as they've started drafting kids and geezers into the army, with the predictable outcome for troops quality and morale. Some analysts say that had the Russia pushed just for a couple of months more, even in the wake of the horrific losses like Tsushima and Mukden, Japan would've sued for peace. On the other hand the Tsar's government had really lousy intelligence and ''[[WhatAnIdiot didn't know that]]'', so they've decided to [[KnowWhenToFoldEm cut their losses]] and sued first.
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*** The fact that no one told them there were boats to fall back to and they thought they were the first line in a last stand probably had something to do with it as well.
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** This is very debatable. Historians have been arguing the point of whether the fight was winnable (and how much of an impact things he didn't know about like the problems with his cannons had) since the battle itself.
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** They're more likely to use a kind of Skinner Box and string along small rewards.
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*** Cheese-eating surrendermonkeys, people call them.
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** Or the contest is for charity, so even if you lose the money you spend is going to a good cause.
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Camel\'s nose is slippery slope not this.
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* How about the story of the camel's nose, seeing as it's used as an alternative name for this? A man is camping for the night on his journey through the desert, and his poor camel is outside in the cold of a desert night. "Please, sir," it begs, "it's so cold out here. Could I just poke my nose into your nice warm tent?" "Sure," says his master, "what harm could that do?" And the camel does, and he shuts up for a little while. But then: "Please, sir, it's still ever so cold. Might I just place my entire head in your tent?" And again the man relents, since he's already let the nose in. Then: "Please, sir. It continues to be excruciatingly cold out here. Can I drag my neck in as well?" And, yes, again, the man agrees. And before the man knows what's happened, he's lying outside in the cold and the camel's hogging the tent. Also sometimes cited as an example of the slippery slope fallacy, as the moral given is usually something along the lines of "don't give an inch or they'll take a mile".
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** See pot odds above.
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** See pot odds committed above.
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** Also, it might well be that reinforcing a loosing battle might be preferable than any other potential outcome, particularly if not doing so would lead to a rapid collapse. This was part of the reason why the Western Allied forces tasked with guarding the evacuation beaches in 1940 fought on long after their positions became highly untenable: they were buying time for everybody else to escape and fight again.
* When the possible return is so great compared to the possible loss that it is deemed a reasonable risk to take. That's gambling, not fallaciousness.
* When the possible return is so great compared to the possible loss that it is deemed a reasonable risk to take. That's gambling, not fallaciousness.
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** Also, it might well be that reinforcing a loosing losing battle might be preferable than any other potential outcome, particularly if not doing so would lead to a rapid collapse. This was part of the reason why the Western Allied forces tasked with guarding the evacuation beaches in 1940 fought on long after their positions became highly untenable: they were buying time for everybody else to escape and fight again.
* When the possible return is so great compared to the possible loss that it is deemed a reasonable risk to take. That's gambling, notfallaciousness.fallacious.
** See pot odds above.
* When the possible return is so great compared to the possible loss that it is deemed a reasonable risk to take. That's gambling, not
** See pot odds above.
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* Happens in labour disputes where management or unions try to recoup the losses from a strike or lockout, and that merely pushes the bargaining positions of the parties further apart.
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** Also, it might well be that reinforcing a loosing battle might be preferable than any other potential outcome, particularly if not doing so would lead to a rapid collapse. This was part of the reason why the Western Allied forces tasked with guarding the evacuation beaches in 1940 fought on long after their positions became highly untenable: they were buying time for everybody else to escape and fight again.
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* A particularly tragic example of this -- with much higher stakes -- can be found in ''The OrderOfTheStick: Start of Darkness''. And in fact, following his MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment in the main comic, Redcloak does it ''again''. He seems to like it.
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What was here had nothing to do with sunk costs.
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* The relationship between military situations and this fallacy is rarely clear-cut. If the enemy is near or at their breaking point in morale, equipment, or reinforcements, a decision to keep pushing them may work. In cases like this, the fallacy lies in assuming that it will work this time because it worked before.
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* The relationship between military situations and this fallacy is rarely clear-cut. If the enemy is near or at their breaking point in morale, equipment, or reinforcements, a decision to keep pushing them may work. In cases like this, the fallacy lies in assuming that it will work If this time because decision was based on one's ''own'' sunk costs, it worked before. was at worst RightForTheWrongReasons.
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**** No it's not, you're ABSOLUTELY WRONG!
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**** No it's not, you're ABSOLUTELY WRONG!
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** Or if the contest itself is something fun enough to be worth at least $2 in its own right. This is how things like carnival prizes work.
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* Real Life: Robert E. Lee at the Battle of Gettysburg. The Battle was lost but he continued to attack on the third day and ultimately broke the back of his army.
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>!!'''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs#Loss_aversion_and_the_sunk_cost_fallacy Sunk cost fallacy]]''':
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* This is one of the main reasons why people continue to play MMOs even when they aren't enjoying them. It's arguable that MMO designers deliberately use this fallacy to encourage people to continue playing the game.
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* This is one of the main reasons why people continue to play MMOs [[MassivelyMultiplayerOnlineRoleplayingGame MMOs]] even when they aren't enjoying them. It's arguable that MMO designers deliberately use this fallacy to encourage people to continue playing the game.
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** This is actually good play when the player himself has sunk a lot of money in, but ''so has everyone else''. In those situations, it's rational to stay in with very low winning chances, simply because the payoff when that 1/44 or whatever chance hits is so high.
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*** One of the games [[((Troll}} Internet trolls]] like to play is see how long they can string along their poor, furiously typing target(s).
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*** One of the games [[((Troll}} [[{{Troll}} Internet trolls]] like to play is see how long they can string along their poor, furiously typing target(s).
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** or even after its obvious they are discussing with irrational fools that insult them rather than argue with them
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** or even after its obvious they are discussing with irrational fools that insult them rather than argue with themthem.
*** One of the games [[((Troll}} Internet trolls]] like to play is see how long they can string along their poor, furiously typing target(s).
*** One of the games [[((Troll}} Internet trolls]] like to play is see how long they can string along their poor, furiously typing target(s).
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** or even after its obvious they are discussing with irrational fools
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** or even after its obvious they are discussing with irrational foolsfools that insult them rather than argue with them
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* One example of this is the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_auction dollar auction]]. An emcee decides to auction off a dollar with a starting bid of one cent (which may be adjusted for inflation) - but there's a catch. The high bidder gets the dollar, but the second-highest bidder still has to pay their bid and gets nothing. The bidding will start off with each of the bidders standing to profit, but once the high bid reaches 99 cents, the second bidder has to choose between losing 98 cents or bidding one dollar and making nothing. After this, the first bidder has to choose between losing 99 cents or bidding $1.01 and losing a cent. This process of bidding will continue even though neither side stands to gain from future bids.
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:: When somebody's sacrificed or invested a great deal in a cause or project, they tend to become irrationally dedicated to it. This applies even when the costs invested can't be recovered. More of a cognitive bias than anything.
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