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* This is [[spoiler:the ultimate fate of the universe]] in HarlanEllison's ''The Region Between'', [[spoiler:destroyed by the same insane God that made it, who kills himself in the process.]]
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Misuse as this trope is about destroying the entire setting - the quote would apply fine if there wasn\'t more then that one planet in the NIS verse..
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->"Well damn it... if that's how it is... ''I'm just gonna blow up the planet!''"
--> -- '''Laharl''', ''{{Disgaea 2}}''
--> -- '''Laharl''', ''{{Disgaea 2}}''
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--> -- '''Laharl''', ''{{Disgaea 2}}''
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If any villains have TakeOverTheWorld as their goal, they logically should ''not'' want this to succeed. Can result in EvilVersusEvil and EvilerThanThou...if logic is involved.
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If any villains have TakeOverTheWorld as their goal, they logically should ''not'' want this to succeed. Can result in EvilVersusEvil and EvilerThanThou...if logic is involved.
EvilVersusOblivion.
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* ''KamenRiderDecade'' has 10 worlds merging with each other to the eventual point of their destruction.
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Related to the OmnicidalManiac, who does this kind of thing; many of that trope's examples plan on sticking around afterwards, however. See also: ApocalypseHow, Class Z.
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Related to the OmnicidalManiac, who does this kind of thing; many of that trope's examples plan on sticking around afterwards, however. See also: ApocalypseHow, Class Z. See Also; Norse Mythology, for a subversion; The Nidhogg and co, who EAT (Planet Eater vibe) The World Tree, and in one Ragnarok edition, Mr.Nidhogg goes into the void at the end of the world.
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* Kuja in ''FinalFantasyIX'', on discovering his imminent mortality, decides to take everyone else with him. This one is a true example of the "temper tantrum" part of the trope and probably the MostTriumphantExample from a ''Final Fantasy'' game--Kuja's motivation for destroying existence is that he decides if he doesn't get to live, why should anyone else? He's so selfish and arrogant he doesn't think it's ''fair'' that life will continue after he's dead.
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* Kuja in ''FinalFantasyIX'', on discovering his imminent mortality, decides to take everyone else with him. This one is a true example of the "temper tantrum" part of the trope and probably the MostTriumphantExample best example from a ''Final Fantasy'' game--Kuja's motivation for destroying existence is that he decides if he doesn't get to live, why should anyone else? He's so selfish and arrogant he doesn't think it's ''fair'' that life will continue after he's dead.
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The third variety is the final resort, they wanted to TakeOverTheWorld but now you've beaten (or even possibly mortally injured) them they're [[TakingYouWithMe taking everything with them.]] They don't mind dying anymore. (In lesser extents, they just settle for an EarthShatteringKaboom, especially if they can breathe in space and hold out a small hope of survival.)
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The third variety is the final resort, they wanted to TakeOverTheWorld TakeOverTheWorld, but now that you've beaten (or even possibly mortally injured) them they're [[TakingYouWithMe taking everything with them.]] They don't mind dying anymore. (In lesser extents, they just settle for an EarthShatteringKaboom, especially if they can breathe in space and hold out a small hope of survival.)
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* Spider-Carnage in SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries wants to kill himself, [[OmnicidalManiac the planet]], and the entire ''multiverse'' becaue he [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds cannot cope with his own pain]]. He ultimately just [[DrivenToSuicide kills himself]], sparing the multiverse.
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* Spider-Carnage in SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries wants to kill himself, [[OmnicidalManiac the planet]], and the entire ''multiverse'' becaue because he [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds cannot cope with his own pain]]. He ultimately just [[DrivenToSuicide kills himself]], sparing the multiverse.
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* The [[AssimilationPlot Human Instrumentality Project]] in ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' is often interpreted as this.
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* The [[AssimilationPlot Human Instrumentality Project]] in ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' is often interpreted as this.''NeonGenesisEvangelion''.
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** This crops up repeatedly throughout the Disgaea games, usually with an emphasis on "temper tantrum". Often, it's what happens if the player decides be be a wise-ass and grind up enough to win the HopelessBossFight.
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* Slightly more realistic example: [[spoiler: [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Rau Le Creuset]]]] the BigBad of GundamSeed, is a dying [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues clone]] of a man he hated]]. Sick, angry at the world, and convinced that HumansAreBastards, he turns DeathSeeker and tries to [[OmnicidalManiac take everything]] with him before he goes.
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* Slightly more realistic example: [[spoiler: [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Rau Le Creuset]]]] the BigBad of GundamSeed, ''GundamSeed'', is a dying [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues clone]] of a man he hated]]. Sick, angry at the world, and convinced that HumansAreBastards, he turns DeathSeeker and tries to [[OmnicidalManiac take everything]] with him before he goes.
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But more often then not, they're a NietzscheWannabe; and just wanna show everyone who is boss. What's mystifying is when these type seem to genuinely like existing and interacting with the world. What exactly are they going to ''do'' should they succeed? [[{{ptitlem1lh0v8n}} And then what?]] Where, as TheTick puts it, would they put all their stuff? In this case, they often [[VillainsActHeroesReact exist only for the Heroes to have someone to stop.]]
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But more often then not, they're a NietzscheWannabe; and just wanna show everyone who is boss. What's mystifying is when these type seem to genuinely like existing and interacting with the world. What exactly are they going to ''do'' should they succeed? [[{{ptitlem1lh0v8n}} And then what?]] AndThenWhat? Where, as TheTick puts it, would they put all their stuff? In this case, they often [[VillainsActHeroesReact exist only for the Heroes to have someone to stop.]]
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* The [[AssimilationPlot Human Instrumentality Project]] in ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' is often interpreted as this.
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*** In FinalFantasyDissidia he vents a little to Terra, claiming that all existence is utterly pointless, with destruction being the only remotely enjoyable thing in it, therefore omnicide is the only sensible recourse.
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** In ''The End of Time'', this is [[spoiler: Rassilon's grand plan to end the Time War: the Time Lords [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence ascend to a higher plane of existence]], the Vortex is destroyed, and the Daleks, along with the rest of the universe, get wiped out completely. Luckily, the Master is [[SpannerInTheWorks disinclined]] [[HeroicSacrifice to cooperate with this request]].]]
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** In ''The End of Time'', this is [[spoiler: Rassilon's grand plan to end the Time War: the Time Lords [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence ascend to a higher plane of existence]], the Vortex is destroyed, and the Daleks, along with the rest of the universe, get wiped out completely. Luckily, the Master is [[SpannerInTheWorks disinclined]] [[HeroicSacrifice to cooperate with acquiese to this request]].]]
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->'''Bethany''': "Look, asshole - I don't know if anyone explained the rules to you, but if you succeed, everything gets blinked out of existence - even you."\\
'''Azrael''': "Human, have you ever been to Hell? [...] I'd rather not exist than go back to that. And if everyone has to go down with me, so be it."
--> -- ''{{Dogma}}''
'''Azrael''': "Human, have you ever been to Hell? [...] I'd rather not exist than go back to that. And if everyone has to go down with me, so be it."
--> -- ''{{Dogma}}''
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->"Why should the world exist without me? That wouldn't be fair. If I die, we all die!"
--> -- '''Kuja''', ''FinalFantasyIX''
--> -- '''Kuja''', ''FinalFantasyIX''
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* Kuja in ''FinalFantasyIX'', on discovering his imminent mortality, decides to take everyone else with him.
*** Kuja should be mentioned for actually ''suceeding'' at doing this, it takes [[{{giantspacefleafromnowhere}} Necron's]] [[{{Deusexmachina}} appearance]] for the universe to not end.
*** Kuja should be mentioned for actually ''suceeding'' at doing this, it takes [[{{giantspacefleafromnowhere}} Necron's]] [[{{Deusexmachina}} appearance]] for the universe to not end.
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* Kuja in ''FinalFantasyIX'', on discovering his imminent mortality, decides to take everyone else with him.
*** Kujahim. This one is a true example of the "temper tantrum" part of the trope and probably the MostTriumphantExample from a ''Final Fantasy'' game--Kuja's motivation for destroying existence is that he decides if he doesn't get to live, why should be mentioned for actually ''suceeding'' at doing this, it takes [[{{giantspacefleafromnowhere}} Necron's]] [[{{Deusexmachina}} appearance]] for the universe to not end.anyone else? He's so selfish and arrogant he doesn't think it's ''fair'' that life will continue after he's dead.
*** Kuja
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** And in ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'', [[spoiler:Chaos]] decides to tear apart the combined realities that make up the battlefield for the Conflict of the Gods, and then disappear himself. Its due in part to just being ''sick'' of the endless cycles of conflict, death, and rebirth, and in part because of the recent absolute death of [[spoiler:Cosmos, his opposite number]] hitting him harder than he thought it would.
** Sort of what NietzscheWannabe [[spoiler:Kefka]] wanted to do in ''FinalFantasyVI'', although it was never clear whether he intended to destroy himself afterwards.
** Implicit in [[FinalFantasyX Seymour's]] plans: He views death as a wonderful release from the suffering of life, hence everything deserves the so-called mercy of dying, himself included given how much he has suffered.
*** True, but given that all of Spira believes the souls of the dead live on in the Farplane, and especially later since Seymour [[spoiler: knows for a fact that death is not the end because he himself is an unsent soul]], his intentions to destroy Spira may not be out of a desire to end all life but to free it into a more peaceful, but still real, existence. He doesn't seem to think he'll be ''ending'' everyone, just transitioning them, whether they like it or not, into a better and eternal life. It's arguable that he had no right to do this against everyone's will, but he certainly can't be accused of wanting everyone and himself to just stop ''existing,'' unless he himself is ignoring [[spoiler: his own existence as proof that that's not what will happen if he succeeds]]. Of course, that's not to say his plan was well thought out, because killing everyone in a terrible apocalyptic fashion would have a good chance of causing them to become fiends rather than causing them to willingly go to the Farplane, which apparently is more likely to happen if the person has resigned and welcome death.
*** Summary: Death is weird in Spira.
** Sort of what NietzscheWannabe [[spoiler:Kefka]] wanted to do in ''FinalFantasyVI'', although it was never clear whether he intended to destroy himself afterwards.
** Implicit in [[FinalFantasyX Seymour's]] plans: He views death as a wonderful release from the suffering of life, hence everything deserves the so-called mercy of dying, himself included given how much he has suffered.
*** True, but given that all of Spira believes the souls of the dead live on in the Farplane, and especially later since Seymour [[spoiler: knows for a fact that death is not the end because he himself is an unsent soul]], his intentions to destroy Spira may not be out of a desire to end all life but to free it into a more peaceful, but still real, existence. He doesn't seem to think he'll be ''ending'' everyone, just transitioning them, whether they like it or not, into a better and eternal life. It's arguable that he had no right to do this against everyone's will, but he certainly can't be accused of wanting everyone and himself to just stop ''existing,'' unless he himself is ignoring [[spoiler: his own existence as proof that that's not what will happen if he succeeds]]. Of course, that's not to say his plan was well thought out, because killing everyone in a terrible apocalyptic fashion would have a good chance of causing them to become fiends rather than causing them to willingly go to the Farplane, which apparently is more likely to happen if the person has resigned and welcome death.
*** Summary: Death is weird in Spira.
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** And Sort of what NietzscheWannabe Kefka wanted to do in ''FinalFantasyVI'', although it was never clear whether he intended to destroy himself afterward.
** Implicit in [[FinalFantasyX Seymour's]] plans--he views death as a wonderful release from the suffering of life, hence everything deserves the so-called mercy of dying. However, given the weird way death works in Spira, it isn't that he wants to destroy everything for the sake of destroying it, Seymour [[WellIntentionedExtremist actually thinks death is a step up from life]]--death didn't much slow down [[spoiler:Auron, Yunalesca and Seymour himself]] when they died, and [[spoiler:Yunalesca has been dead for 1000 years]]. Of course, that's not to say his plan was well thought out, because killing everyone in an apocalyptic fashion would probably cause them to become Fiends, as they would die painful, horrible deaths.
** ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'',[[spoiler:Chaos]] Chaos decides to tear apart the combined realities that make up the battlefield for the Conflict conflict of the Gods, and then disappear himself. Its due in part to just being ''sick'' of the endless cycles of conflict, death, and rebirth, and in part because of the recent absolute [[spoiler:Cosmos' death of [[spoiler:Cosmos, his opposite number]] hitting has triggered a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment for him harder than when he thought it would.
** Sort of what NietzscheWannabe [[spoiler:Kefka]] wanted to do in ''FinalFantasyVI'', although it was never clear whether he intended to destroy himself afterwards.
** Implicit in [[FinalFantasyX Seymour's]] plans: He views death as a wonderful release from the suffering of life, hence everything deserves the so-called mercy of dying, himself included given how much he has suffered.
*** True, but given that all of Spira believes the souls of the dead live on in the Farplane, and especially later since Seymour [[spoiler: knows for a fact that death is not the end because he himself is an unsent soul]], his intentions to destroy Spira may not be out of a desire to end all life but to free it into a more peaceful, but still real, existence. He doesn't seem to think he'll be ''ending'' everyone, just transitioning them, whetherrealized they like it or not, into a better and eternal life. It's arguable that he had no right used to do this against everyone's will, but he certainly can't be accused of wanting everyone and himself to just stop ''existing,'' unless he himself is ignoring [[spoiler: his own existence as proof that that's not what will happen if he succeeds]]. Of course, that's not to say his plan was well thought out, because killing everyone rule together in a terrible apocalyptic fashion would have a good chance of causing them to become fiends rather than causing them to willingly go to peace before the Farplane, which apparently is more likely to happen if the person has resigned and welcome death.
*** Summary: Death is weird in Spira.wars began.]]
** Implicit in [[FinalFantasyX Seymour's]] plans--he views death as a wonderful release from the suffering of life, hence everything deserves the so-called mercy of dying. However, given the weird way death works in Spira, it isn't that he wants to destroy everything for the sake of destroying it, Seymour [[WellIntentionedExtremist actually thinks death is a step up from life]]--death didn't much slow down [[spoiler:Auron, Yunalesca and Seymour himself]] when they died, and [[spoiler:Yunalesca has been dead for 1000 years]]. Of course, that's not to say his plan was well thought out, because killing everyone in an apocalyptic fashion would probably cause them to become Fiends, as they would die painful, horrible deaths.
** ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'',
** Sort of what NietzscheWannabe [[spoiler:Kefka]] wanted to do in ''FinalFantasyVI'', although it was never clear whether he intended to destroy himself afterwards.
** Implicit in [[FinalFantasyX Seymour's]] plans: He views death as a wonderful release from the suffering of life, hence everything deserves the so-called mercy of dying, himself included given how much he has suffered.
*** True, but given that all of Spira believes the souls of the dead live on in the Farplane, and especially later since Seymour [[spoiler: knows for a fact that death is not the end because he himself is an unsent soul]], his intentions to destroy Spira may not be out of a desire to end all life but to free it into a more peaceful, but still real, existence. He doesn't seem to think he'll be ''ending'' everyone, just transitioning them, whether
*** Summary: Death is weird in Spira.
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changing quote, this one is more to the point I think
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** Kuja should be mentioned for actually ''suceeding'' at doing this, it takes [[{{giantspacefleafromnowhere}} Necron's]] [[{{Deusexmachina}} appearance]] for the universe to not end.
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** Kuja should be mentioned for actually ''suceeding'' at doing this, it takes [[{{Giantspacefleafromnowhere}}Necron's]] [[{{Deusexmachina}} appearance]] for the universe to not end.
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** Kuja should be mentioned for actually ''suceeding'' at doing this, it takes [[{{Giantspacefleafromnowhere}}Necron's]] [[{{giantspacefleafromnowhere}} Necron's]] [[{{Deusexmachina}} appearance]] for the universe to not end.
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**Kuja should be mentioned for actually ''suceeding'' at doing this, it takes [[{{Giantspacefleafromnowhere}}Necron's]] [[{{Deusexmachina}} appearance]] for the universe to not end.
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The data-virus-vaccine thing is mostly rock-paper-scissors for the card game - all else being equal, virus beats data, vaccine beats virus, data beats vaccine. And of course most villains are virus. However, in actual shows/comics, most villains are virus, but most \'mon of \'\'all\'\' types and levels are civilians. And even the Virus \'\'bad guys\'\' wanted power for themselves and only a very select few were OmnicidalManiacs, let alone suicidal as well. Even Apocalymon wasn\'t a virus type - being [[CosmicHorror what he is]], he doesn\'t \'\'have\'\' a type.
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** Also. technically, this is basically the goal of all virus type digimon once they achieve their upper digivolutions, it's what they're programmed for.
** Also. technically, this is basically the goal of all virus type digimon once they achieve their upper digivolutions, it's what they're programmed for.
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** [[spoiler: not Not so much a DeusEXMachina DeusExMachina as the kids crests had pulled something similar to help them defeat VenoMyotismon Venom Myotismon and both te the crests and digivices had previously been used as weapons against evil throughout the series]]
** Also. technically, this is basicallyseries.]]
**[[spoiler:They'd never done anything like that at any other time and thegoal of all virus type digimon once they achieve their upper digivolutions, it's what they're programmed for.cast did nothing to cause it to happen. The digivice cage ''was'' similar to the crest tag Myo restraints in that respect, but it just means ''two'' arcs were resolved via AssPull.]]
** Also. technically, this is basically
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**Even post-resurrection, an issue of ''{{Exiles}}'' had a mission where they had to make sure Jean died, lest Dark Phoenix destroy the universe.
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No, he just wanted to kill Zetta.
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* In ''MakaiKingdom'', this is Alexander's stated goal. He is the God of Destruction, after all. In a neat exploration of this, in one bad ending he ''succeeds'', and is subjected to a horrifying FateWorseThanDeath, existing forever in an empty universe.
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* The [[OmnicidalManiac Deathlords]] of {{Exalted}} all have the canonical aim of 'being the last person there to blow out the candle of creation', in direct service of their [[EldritchAbomination Neverborn Masters]]. This also presumably extends to any [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor loyalist]] [[DarkisNotEvil Abyssal Exalted]].
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* The [[OmnicidalManiac Deathlords]] of {{Exalted}} all have the canonical aim of 'being the last person there to blow out the candle of creation', in direct service of their [[EldritchAbomination Neverborn Masters]]. This also presumably extends to any [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor loyalist]] [[DarkisNotEvil Abyssal Exalted]]. Mind you, for the Neverborn, this isn't so much "wiping out the world because it won't have me" as it is "someone, ''please'' just pull the plug" -- they can't die because their souls are bound to Creation, so they're just caught in an endless state of agony.
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Related to the OmnicidalManiac, who does this kind of thing; many of that trope's examples plan on sticking around afterwards, however.
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Related to the OmnicidalManiac, who does this kind of thing; many of that trope's examples plan on sticking around afterwards, however. See also: ApocalypseHow, Class Z.
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* In CSLewis's ''TheMagiciansNephew'', Jadis recounts how she destroyed all other life on Charn because her sister had won their civil war.
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* The alternate dimensional beings in Michael Swanwick's ''Jack Faust'' have the capacity and intention to survive until the heat death of their universe, but not beyond; they can observe and communicate across realities but can't physically leave. Because of the massive difference between how time flows in the two universes, their universe will end in several hundred to several thousand of our years. These beings find humanity so offensive that they assist the titular character in an effort to totally wipe out the species - the mere idea that humanity may continue to exist after they no longer do is a terrible affront to them.
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* Slightly more realistic example: [[spoiler: [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Rau Le Creuset]]]] the BigBad of GundamSeed, is a dying [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues clone]] of a man he hated]]. Sick, angry at the world, and convinced that HumansAreBastards, he turns DeathSeeker and tries to [[OmnicidalManiac take everything]] with him before he goes.
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* Spider-Carnage in SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries wants to kill himself, [[OmnicidalManiac the planet]], and the entire ''multiverse'' becaue he [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds cannot cope with his own pain]]. He ultimately just [[DrivenToSuicide kills himself]], sparing the multiverse.
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** Actually somewhat debatable, as while these What If stories ''do'' show Dark Phoenix [[ApocalypseHow destroying the universe]], it's not entirely clear that this would be considered suicidal from Dark Phoenix's standpoint, as [[BeyondTheImpossible she might very well survive the destruction of the universe]].