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* ''GundamWing'' overlaps this with YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters. On the one hand, the protagonists (the Gundam pilots) are fighting against the corrupt Earth government oppressing the space colonies. On the other hand, people (on both the space colonies and Earth) are getting sick of the fighting. Which makes for lots of ContemplateOurNavels on the issue of war and peace.
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* ''DukeNukemForever'' cheerfully plays this straight: the [[OurPresidentsAreDifferent US President]] is an ObstructiveBureaucrat who outright states he should have ordered [[CIAEvilFBIGood CIA to assassinate Duke]], while the BigGood of the game is [[TheBrigadier General Graves]], despite being mostly a DeskJockey.

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* ''DukeNukemForever'' ''VideoGame/DukeNukemForever'' cheerfully plays this straight: the [[OurPresidentsAreDifferent US President]] is an ObstructiveBureaucrat who outright states he should have ordered [[CIAEvilFBIGood CIA to assassinate Duke]], while the BigGood of the game is [[TheBrigadier General Graves]], despite being mostly a DeskJockey.
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* ''Edge of Apocalypse'' takes this UpToEleven, with the protagonist being a private contractor who designed a missile-defense system that works by reprogramming missiles via a laser to send them back to their point of origin. He consistently refuses to let the American Congress even see the details about the system they're paying for, because he feels only he can be trusted with it. In this story, he's completely right because all the politicians who want information about the system that will essentially nuke any location a missile is fired upon, whether the President or anyone wants to do so or not, are working with forgein conspirators who want to bring the U.S. down into a OneWorldGovernment. Did we mention it's from one of the co-authors of ''LeftBehind''?
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* In ''[[Starship Troopers]]'', pretty much anyone not willing to pick up a rifle and stand a post is treated like this, regardless of their actual reasons for not serving. In addition, civilians are portrayed as [[TheyJustDontGetIt being incapable of really understanding]] the need for a military at all.

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* In ''[[Starship Troopers]]'', ''StarshipTroopers'', pretty much anyone not willing to pick up a rifle and stand a post is treated like this, regardless of their actual reasons for not serving. In addition, civilians are portrayed as [[TheyJustDontGetIt being incapable of really understanding]] the need for a military at all.
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* In ''[[Starship Troopers]]'', pretty much anyone not willing to pick up a rifle and stand a post is treated like this, regardless of their actual reasons for not serving. In addition, civilians are portrayed as [[TheyJustDontGetIt being incapable of really understanding]] the need for a military at all.
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It\'s the objective case, so \"whom\"


In stories which involve the military, relations between military officers and the politicians who they answer to can often be a good source of dramatic tension. In some stories, it's the trigger-happy military which is the problem, but if the protagonists are military officers, it's a fair bet that the civilian side of government will either be ignored or will be presented as an obstacle.

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In stories which involve the military, relations between military officers and the politicians who whom they answer to can often be a good source of dramatic tension. In some stories, it's the trigger-happy military which is the problem, but if the protagonists are military officers, it's a fair bet that the civilian side of government will either be ignored or will be presented as an obstacle.
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* A surprising aversion is the ''RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms''. Despite the fact that the military officers are usually portrayed well, there are several times where it is shown that they are wrong in not wanting to bow to civilian authorities. Good examples include Guan Yu and Zhang Fei's resentment of Zhuge Liang before his plans win the day at Bowang Slope and the Wu military's resentment of Lu Xun before he shows his worth at Yiling.

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* Two words: EscortMission

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* Two words: EscortMissionEscortMission.
* ''DukeNukemForever'' cheerfully plays this straight: the [[OurPresidentsAreDifferent US President]] is an ObstructiveBureaucrat who outright states he should have ordered [[CIAEvilFBIGood CIA to assassinate Duke]], while the BigGood of the game is [[TheBrigadier General Graves]], despite being mostly a DeskJockey.





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** Note that the above was an instance of two friends joking around with each other. The civilian was ribbing on the fighter pilot.

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** Note that the above was an instance of two friends joking around with each other. The civilian was ribbing on the fighter pilot.pilot about the noise, and the fighter pilot gave him a smartass answer.
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** Note that the above was an instance of two friends joking around with each other. The civilian was ribbing on the fighter pilot.
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** Kirk actually says that Nilz Barris is the first federation official he has met whose competence he has questioned. That said, there were alot of egomaniacal ambassadors and scientists who were consistently willing to put their own careers ahead of the lives of the crew. Though, the admiralty is usually depicted as being even worse.

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That\'s...not entirely unreasonable. Backing the military fully during a military emergency makes a good deal of sense.


* ''{{BattleTech}}'' fiction leans heavily towards this. The less military experience the ruler of a Successor State has, the less trustworthy they are. (The one exception to this rule may be the late Melissa Steiner-Davion, and even she had to pick up a gun and get her hands personally dirty at a young age when kidnappers came calling during one interstellar voyage.) If a planet gets invaded, if the fact that a local government supposedly exists isn't ignored outright, it's there to complicate the defending forces' job or just flat-out betray them.

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* ''{{BattleTech}}'' fiction leans heavily towards this. The less military experience the ruler of a Successor State has, the less trustworthy they are. (The one exception to this rule may be the late Melissa Steiner-Davion, and even she had to pick up a gun and get her hands personally dirty at a young age when kidnappers came calling during one interstellar voyage.) If a planet gets invaded, if the fact that a local government supposedly exists isn't ignored outright, it's there to complicate the defending forces' job or just flat-out betray them.)
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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in {{Evolution}}, where it's the usual Straw Civilians that save the day from the AlienInvasion instead of the arrogant, pigheaded GeneralRipper.

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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in {{Evolution}}, Film/{{Evolution}}, where it's the usual Straw Civilians that save the day from the AlienInvasion instead of the arrogant, pigheaded GeneralRipper.
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** It helps that the major civillian character outside of Minmay happens to be a gigantic douche. Also, the higher-ups in the UN Spacy (Adm. Hayase, for one) are shown to be a bunch of twits who are more interested in keeping up appearances for political reasons themselves. Really, in this case it's almost a case of Straw Anyone Who Is Not A Macross Crew member.

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** It helps that the major civillian character outside of Minmay happens to be a gigantic douche. Also, the higher-ups in the UN Spacy (Adm. Hayase, for one) are shown to be a bunch of twits who are more interested in keeping up appearances for political reasons themselves. Really, in this case it's almost a case of [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality Straw Anyone Who Is Not A Macross Crew member.]]
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*** Note that, as well-meaning as Woolsey was, one of his blunders resulted in a near-ascended villain getting free and rampaging through the SGC, killing indiscriminately. This actually becomes a plot point later on in the show: when [[spoiler:Woolsey decided to have an Ori-corrupted Daniel (actually a part of Daniel's plan) [[SealedEvilInACan put out of commission]] at any cost, Daniel specifically states that he didn't blame him and cited the previous incident as Woolsey trying not to make the same mistake again]]. The general theme seems to be that neither the military nor the civilians are entirely evil: there are just some corrupted individuals in both camps (Maybourne and Makepeace in the military, the NID amongst the civilians). Both sides have sympathetic characters who make mistakes.
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** On the other hand the new BSG introduced the Adama/Roslin dynamic specifically to avert this trope, given the tendency of the Council of 12 to always suggest some inane plan, e.g. Let's make peace with the Cylons! While the new series focusses more on the military, the civilian side hasn't been ignored.

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** On the other hand the new BSG introduced the Adama/Roslin dynamic specifically to avert the way this trope, trope appeared in the original series, given the tendency of the Council of 12 to always suggest some inane plan, e.g. Let's plan. For instance: The Cylons annihilated our civilization in a surprise attack during peace negotiations... so let's make peace with the Cylons! Cylons and destroy our weapons to show we ''mean it'' this time! While the new series focusses more on the military, the civilian side hasn't been ignored.
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** The outright power hungry tactics of Senator Kinsey and the NID overshadow what are in fact serious breaches of protocol and oversight in Stargate Command. We automatically take the side of SG-1 and the rest of the SGC because they are the protagonists, and the leaders of the team are by virtue of character nature not going to play it by the book. When you stop and consider the Fridge Logic of just how reckless SG-1 can be, you really start to sympathize with Richard Woolsey's interference with the program.
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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in {{Film/Evolution}}, where it's the usual Straw Civilians that save the day from the AlienInvasion instead of the arrogant, pigheaded GeneralRipper.

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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in {{Film/Evolution}}, {{Evolution}}, where it's the usual Straw Civilians that save the day from the AlienInvasion instead of the arrogant, pigheaded GeneralRipper.
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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in {{Film/Evolution}}, where it's the usual Straw Civilians that save the day from the AlienInvasion instead of the arrogant, pigheaded GeneralRipper.
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* The show ''ParksAndRecreation'' is actually told from the perspective of bureaucrats. Whenever the main characters interact with the public, the members of the public are portrayed as a collection of weirdos and morons. For example, one town hall meeting featured a woman complaining to the Parks Department because she found a sandwich in one of their parks and was upset that it didn't contain mayonnaise.

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* The show ''ParksAndRecreation'' is actually told from the perspective of bureaucrats. Whenever the main characters interact with the public, the members of the public are portrayed as a collection of weirdos and morons. For example, one town hall meeting public forum featured a woman complaining to the Parks Department because she found a sandwich in one of their parks and was upset that it didn't contain mayonnaise.

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* ''{{Star Trek}}'' had a couple of these, most notably Nilz Barris from ''The Trouble With Tribbles''.

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* ''{{Star Trek}}'' had a couple of these, most notably Nilz Barris from ''The Trouble With Tribbles''. Tribbles''.
* The show ''ParksAndRecreation'' is actually told from the perspective of bureaucrats. Whenever the main characters interact with the public, the members of the public are portrayed as a collection of weirdos and morons. For example, one town hall meeting featured a woman complaining to the Parks Department because she found a sandwich in one of their parks and was upset that it didn't contain mayonnaise.
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Turns up in a lot of MilitaryScienceFiction, but is also found elsewhere. The (mostly) opposite of ArmiesAreEvil.

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Turns up in a lot of MilitaryScienceFiction, but is also found elsewhere. The (mostly) opposite of ArmiesAreEvil.
ArmiesAreEvil. Like all tropes concerning Straw, UnfortunateImplications abound.
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* ''[[Star Trek]]'' had a couple of these, most notably Nilz Barris from ''The Trouble With Tribbles''.

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* ''[[Star Trek]]'' ''{{Star Trek}}'' had a couple of these, most notably Nilz Barris from ''The Trouble With Tribbles''.

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** I'd say an aversion, as he worked as a protagonist in his own right, held his own arcs, the bioweapons thing is presented as the moral, correct choice, and he assisted in the Mars Rebellion with the protagonists. At the least, he's not presented as a straw character.

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** I'd say an aversion, as he worked as a protagonist in his own right, held his own arcs, the bioweapons thing is presented as the moral, correct choice, and he assisted in the Mars Rebellion with the protagonists. At the least, he's not presented as a straw character.character.
*''[[Star Trek]]'' had a couple of these, most notably Nilz Barris from ''The Trouble With Tribbles''.
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** I'd say an aversion, as he worked as a protagonist in his own right, held his own arcs, the bioweapons thing is presented as the moral, correct choice, and he assisted in the Mars Rebellion with the protagonists. At the least, he's not presented as a straw character.
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* Two words: EscortMission
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** To clarify: an ''aerial'' transport, albeit with a parachute. Of course we never see the characters receive any comeuppance for their actions.
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** Used and [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]] with [[TheClan The Clans]]. Founded by military members as a society free from selfish civilian political influences, It soon devolved into a totalitarian martial culture who aren't actually that good at warfare.
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Turns up in a lot of MilitaryScienceFiction, but is also found elsewhere.

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Turns up in a lot of MilitaryScienceFiction, but is also found elsewhere.
elsewhere. The (mostly) opposite of ArmiesAreEvil.
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We don't want any more natter, but there is another obvious side to this coin.


* TomClancy's novels have this. People who complain about loud jet planes flying from military bases near their homes are just whining about the "sound of freedom". Apparently, noise that can wake you up at night, cause hearing damage, and cause stress related diseases, would be totally harmless if you just realize it is there to protect you from the evildoers.

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* TomClancy's novels have this. People who complain about loud jet planes flying from military bases near their homes are just whining about the "sound of freedom". Apparently, So on the one hand, complaining about noise that can wake you up at night, cause hearing damage, and cause stress related diseases, diseases is perfectly understandable. On the other hand, the bases have to go ''somewhere'', and if it was already there when said civilian bought their property, it's perfectly understandable that the base staff would be totally harmless if you just realize it is there to protect you from the evildoers.blow them off.

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