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7th Jun '18 2:53:38 PM MasterN
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In the ''[[TheWarOnStraw strawman]] fallacy'', a debater constructs a weakened or just plain unrecognizable form of an opponent's argument, and in defeating it, acts like he has defeated the real argument. This is likened to attacking a dummy made out of straw that can't fight back. In other words, the go-to tool for someone, possibly driven by a dangerous ego, to create a fantasy outcome where they win.

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In the ''[[TheWarOnStraw strawman]] fallacy'', a debater constructs a weakened or just plain unrecognizable form of an opponent's argument, and in defeating it, acts like he has they have defeated the real argument. This is likened to attacking a dummy made out of straw that can't fight back. In other words, the go-to tool for someone, possibly driven by a dangerous ego, to create a fantasy outcome where they win.
19th May '18 6:05:36 PM RAraya
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* Subverted with Mike Baxter in ''Series/LastManStanding'', in that while he's opinionated and set in his conservative ways, he's generally well-educated on the issues unlike the ignorant Kristin and Ryan. Additionally, he's shown to be fairly liberal on social issues like gay rights and is against a few of the Republican Party's policies such as the Patriot Act. He often plays up the hardcore conservative for fun and annoying others, but he doesn't overtly attack others for having contrary beliefs and is willing to listen to liberal ideas.

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* Subverted with Mike Baxter in ''Series/LastManStanding'', in that while he's opinionated and set in his conservative ways, he's generally well-educated on the issues unlike the ignorant Kristin and Ryan. Additionally, he's shown to be fairly liberal on social issues like gay rights and is against quite a few of the Republican Party's policies such as the Patriot Act. He often plays up the hardcore conservative for fun and annoying others, but he doesn't overtly attack others for having contrary beliefs and is willing to listen to liberal ideas.



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* While it rarely alluded to politics, ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'' did a number of jokes at the expense of conservatives. A 1986 strip had Calvin mocking the then-nascent "conservative talk" genre.

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* While it rarely alluded to politics, ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'' did a number of rather subtle jokes at the expense of conservatives. A 1986 conservatives, criticizing the Reagan administration's rhetoric regarding the ColdWar, comparing it to the RedScare of the 1950s. Interestingly, one strip had Calvin mocking the then-nascent dismissing "conservative talk" genre.talk radio" as a bunch of kids spouting nonsense. This was published in 1986, when Rush Limbaugh became an overnight success and the FCC was about to drop its "Fairness Doctrine" policy.
17th May '18 6:08:04 AM RAraya
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[[caption-width-right:320:Members of the Springfield Republican Party include {{Dracula}}, [[CardCarryingVillain Mr. Burns]], [[FelonyMisdemeanor a watercooler]], and an [[HatesTheJobLovesTheLimelight unfunny]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking clown]].]]

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[[caption-width-right:320:Members of the Springfield Republican Party include {{Dracula}}, [[CardCarryingVillain Mr. Burns]], [[FelonyMisdemeanor a watercooler]], water-cooler]], and an [[HatesTheJobLovesTheLimelight unfunny]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking clown]].]]


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* While it rarely alluded to politics, ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'' did a number of jokes at the expense of conservatives. A 1986 strip had Calvin mocking the then-nascent "conservative talk" genre.
1st May '18 2:28:10 PM TheNerfGuy
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29th Apr '18 9:02:37 AM MagBas
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* The ''Guardians'' series is chock full of Strawmen of every possible political stripe, including some of the viewpoint characters-- the original author seemed to be trying to be making the point that extremism of any form is bad (and if that's his message he sure did it in a muddled and confused way), but as new writers came in and the series got [[JumpingTheShark sharkier]], it just got to be straw for straw's sake.

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* The ''Guardians'' series is chock full of Strawmen of every possible political stripe, including some of the viewpoint characters-- the original author seemed to be trying to be making the point that extremism of any form is bad (and if that's his message he sure did it in a muddled and confused way), but as new writers came in and the series got [[JumpingTheShark sharkier]], in, it just got to be straw for straw's sake.
20th Apr '18 9:10:04 PM wingedcatgirl
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* Every political webcomic features an abundance of nameless straw men political opposing the author's political alignment. Occasionally, they will try to add in straw men of their own demographic in an attempt to show that they're not biased, but these straw men are either too subtle and argue about very minor points, or are ridiculously exaggerated in a way that makes them not even remotely believable.
14th Apr '18 7:31:14 PM nombretomado
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%% [[WMG: '''NoRealLifeExamplesPlease''' While there are [[PoesLaw some people with views so extreme it's hard to believe they're not a joke]], these people are not in themselves straw characters, as they were not constructed for the specific purpose of mocking their own viewpoints. [[StealthParody We hope.]]]]

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%% [[WMG: '''NoRealLifeExamplesPlease''' '''Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease''' While there are [[PoesLaw some people with views so extreme it's hard to believe they're not a joke]], these people are not in themselves straw characters, as they were not constructed for the specific purpose of mocking their own viewpoints. [[StealthParody We hope.]]]]
6th Feb '18 5:12:04 PM joeengland
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* ''Series/ThePunisher2017'' actually has several straw men presenting alternate extremes. O'Connor and Lewis are unhinged gun nuts fearful of the government trying to steal their guns, while Senator Ori is a smarmy liberal politician who really does want to take away everyone's guns. Only Lewis is presented with any degree of sympathy, as a deeply traumatized soldier lashing out the only way he knows how. O'Connor and Ori are patently two-dimensional caricatures embodying the fears of both the left and the right, respectively. The writers may have been attempting to balance one stereotype with another, but given the nature of the Punisher it seems to support the bias which builds the senator more strongly, actively justifying aspects of the paranoid worldview which O'Connor and Lewis espouse. At the end of the day, Frank Castle is painted as a hero who saves the cowardly liberal with his guns.

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* ''Series/ThePunisher2017'' actually has several straw men presenting alternate extremes. O'Connor and Lewis are unhinged gun nuts fearful of the government trying to steal their guns, while Senator Ori is a smarmy sniveling liberal politician who really does want to take away everyone's guns. Only Lewis is presented with any degree of sympathy, as a deeply traumatized soldier lashing out the only way he knows how. O'Connor and Ori are patently two-dimensional caricatures embodying the fears of both the left and the right, respectively. The writers may have been attempting to balance one stereotype with another, but given the nature of the Punisher it seems to support the bias which builds the senator more strongly, actively justifying aspects of the paranoid worldview which O'Connor and Lewis espouse. At the end of the day, Frank Castle is painted as a hero who saves the cowardly liberal with his guns.
6th Feb '18 5:06:39 PM joeengland
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* ''Series/ThePunisher2017'' actually has several straw men presenting alternate extremes. O'Connor and Lewis are unhinged gun nuts fearful of the government trying to steal their guns, while Senator Ori is a smarmy, cowardly liberal politician who really does want to take away everyone's guns. Only Lewis is presented with any degree of sympathy, as a deeply traumatized soldier lashing out the only way he knows how. O'Connor and Ori are patently two-dimensional caricatures embodying the fears of both the left and the right, respectively.

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* ''Series/ThePunisher2017'' actually has several straw men presenting alternate extremes. O'Connor and Lewis are unhinged gun nuts fearful of the government trying to steal their guns, while Senator Ori is a smarmy, cowardly smarmy liberal politician who really does want to take away everyone's guns. Only Lewis is presented with any degree of sympathy, as a deeply traumatized soldier lashing out the only way he knows how. O'Connor and Ori are patently two-dimensional caricatures embodying the fears of both the left and the right, respectively. The writers may have been attempting to balance one stereotype with another, but given the nature of the Punisher it seems to support the bias which builds the senator more strongly, actively justifying aspects of the paranoid worldview which O'Connor and Lewis espouse. At the end of the day, Frank Castle is painted as a hero who saves the cowardly liberal with his guns.
6th Feb '18 4:34:36 PM joeengland
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* ''Series/ThePunisher2017'' actually has several straw men presenting alternate extremes. O'Connor and Lewis are unhinged gun nuts fearful of the government trying to steal their guns, while Senator Ori is a smarmy, cowardly liberal politician who really does want to take away everyone's guns. Only Lewis is presented with any degree of sympathy, as a deeply traumatized soldier lashing out the only way he knows how. O'Connor and Ori are patently two-dimensional caricatures embodying the fears of both the left and the right, respectively.
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