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22nd Nov '17 7:14:39 AM Arcorann
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*** Creator/IsaacAsimov and Creator/ArthurCClarke both [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dead_Past tried]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_of_Other_Days that]]. Problem is, the past starts a microsecond ago, so it effectively ends any notion of privacy.

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*** Creator/IsaacAsimov and Creator/ArthurCClarke both [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dead_Past tried]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_of_Other_Days [[Literature/TheLightOfOtherDays that]]. Problem is, the past starts a microsecond ago, so it effectively ends any notion of privacy.
8th Nov '17 3:18:28 PM Gosicrystal
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** In VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma, [[spoiler:this is half of Zero's goal. He needs to create one so that he and his twin sister are born under specific circumstances to make them both [=ESPers=]]].

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** In VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma, ''VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma'', [[spoiler:this is half of Zero's goal. He needs to create one so that he and his twin sister are born under specific circumstances to make them both [=ESPers=]]].
12th Sep '17 10:37:20 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** Finally, there's [[spoiler: the prophecies. Dumbledore listened to ''all'' of them, and then set the events in motion that would lead to Harry's birth]].

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** Finally, there's [[spoiler: the prophecies. Dumbledore listened to ''all'' of them, and then set the events in motion that would lead to Harry's birth]].birth and how his personality developed]].
20th Aug '17 6:13:30 PM Nyame
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* ''FanFic/TheMonkeyDHaruSeries'': In ''Prisoner of Azkaban'', it's revealed that the reason why the Wizarding World knew Harry Potter was alive during his ten-year long disappearance is because Haru used his Portal-Portal powers to send a picture of himself back in time to Dumbledore.
17th Aug '17 5:27:15 AM Caladin
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** The first isn't a theory, though some of the underlying physics has yet to be proved. It's how we are currently time travelling, and the change in rate can be demonstrated empirically by looking at the clocks on GPS Satellites and seeing that time passes differently on them and the surface.

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** The first isn't a theory, theory as per the use of the term in the rest of this page, though some of the underlying physics has yet to be proved. It's how we are currently time travelling, and the change in rate can be demonstrated empirically by looking at the clocks on GPS Satellites and seeing that time passes differently on them and the surface.
17th Aug '17 5:25:42 AM Caladin
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**The first isn't a theory, though some of the underlying physics has yet to be proved. It's how we are currently time travelling, and the change in rate can be demonstrated empirically by looking at the clocks on GPS Satellites and seeing that time passes differently on them and the surface.
7th Aug '17 5:16:15 PM Malady
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* ''Website/{{Starwalker}}'': Starwalker's drive allows her to travel through time. [[spoiler: This gets the attention of some SpacePirates who take over the ship. They force her to use her drive to go to the Solar System. Using the ability to travel in time, Starwalker gets them to the appointment 40 years early. They return to the present. However, the ripples of their passage causes strange measurements to be made of our sun. This gives Dr Cirilli the idea that a star step drive could work. In the "present" they meet the person who hired the pirates. She turns out to be the avatar for our sun. She hired the pirates to end the Starwalker experiment because the star step drive has the side effect of StarKilling.]]

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* ''Website/{{Starwalker}}'': ''Literature/{{Starwalker}}'': Starwalker's drive allows her to travel through time. [[spoiler: This [[spoiler:This gets the attention of some SpacePirates who take over the ship. They force her to use her drive to go to the Solar System. Using the ability to travel in time, Starwalker gets them to the appointment 40 years early. They return to the present. However, the ripples of their passage causes strange measurements to be made of our sun. This gives Dr Cirilli the idea that a star step drive could work. In the "present" they meet the person who hired the pirates. She turns out to be the avatar for our sun. She hired the pirates to end the Starwalker experiment because the star step drive has the side effect of StarKilling.]]
24th Jun '17 1:37:22 PM nombretomado
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* In DoctorWho fanfic ''{{FanFic/Gemini}},'' this trope is [[DefiedTrope defied]] by [[InvokedTrope invoking]] TimeyWimeyBall: Itís easier for the Daleks to change the past than it is for anybody else, so the military is trying to create super-soldiers that can change the timeline as easily as the Daleks can.

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* In DoctorWho the ''Series/DoctorWho'' fanfic ''{{FanFic/Gemini}},'' this trope is [[DefiedTrope defied]] by [[InvokedTrope invoking]] TimeyWimeyBall: Itís easier for the Daleks to change the past than it is for anybody else, so the military is trying to create super-soldiers that can change the timeline as easily as the Daleks can.
10th Jun '17 10:19:41 AM Gosicrystal
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* Bizarre version from ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. An Imperial warship picks up a distress call from an Imperial vessel under heavy attack, and goes to respond. When it arrives, it finds no Imperial ship, but the warship itself comes under heavy attack... and sends out a distress call. Thanks to the ability of the Warp to mess with time, the ship went to its destruction answering ''its own distress call''.
** Another example is of the ork warlord Grizgutz and his army who, after setting off into the warp, arrives shortly before they left off and decides to hunt down and kill his previous self so he can own a spare of his favourite gun. The confusion results in the war-band being stopped in it's tracks.

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* Bizarre version from ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. 40000}}'':
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An Imperial warship picks up a distress call from an Imperial vessel under heavy attack, and goes to respond. When it arrives, it finds no Imperial ship, but the warship itself comes under heavy attack... and sends out a distress call. Thanks to the ability of the Warp to mess with time, the ship went to its destruction answering ''its own distress call''.
** Another example is of the The ork warlord Grizgutz and his army who, army, after setting off into the warp, arrives shortly before they left off and decides to hunt down and kill his previous self so he can own a spare of his favourite gun. The confusion results in the war-band being stopped in it's tracks.



* ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''. The swords that [[spoiler:Archer]] carries. [[spoiler:Shirou]] can only create a weapon he's seen ([[spoiler:most of the swords created in Unlimited Blade Works come from weapons he saw in Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasm, Gates of Babylon.]]) However, in the case of his two main swords, [[spoiler:Shirou]] learned to create them from seeing his future self wielding them.
** Also subverted: [[spoiler: Shirou doesn't have to become Archer in the future for this to be valid; he just has to see the swords]]. In other words, whether or not it is a stable time loop is less important than the fact that it could be.
* In ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'', this is one possible interpretation of the ending: [[spoiler:Akane worked her way through the Nonary Game 9 years in the past, transmitting the answers into Junpei in a possible future. When she reaches a puzzle she can't solve, she explores through possible futures until she figures out how to lead Junpei into one where he faces the same puzzle. He's able to solve it, and transmit the answer back to her, allowing her to avert her own death. But after this incident, she has to set up the second Nonary Game that Junpei finds himself in 9 years later, completing the loop. (The alternative theory is that Santa is trying to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong, while Akane is projecting an image of herself into the future throughout the first game.)]]
** Its sequel, ''VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward,'' seems to be setting this up as well. [[spoiler: There are at least two. The first occurs in the path where the old woman does not die -- upon nearing the end of the path to Phi's ending, Sigma and Phi go back in time and save her, thereby setting up the timeline in which she lives. The second one is the cycle Sigma and Phi are going though, as explained by the diagram in the true ending route. However, the characters are actively trying to ''break'' the stable time loop, [[MindScrew which is why they set it up in the first place]], which continues on into the third game]], ''VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma''.

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* ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''. The swords that [[spoiler:Archer]] carries. [[spoiler:Shirou]] can only create a weapon he's seen ([[spoiler:most of the swords created in Unlimited Blade Works come from weapons he saw in Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasm, Gates of Babylon.]]) Babylon]]). However, in the case of his two main swords, [[spoiler:Shirou]] learned to create them from seeing his future self wielding them.
** Also subverted: [[spoiler: Shirou
them. [[spoiler:Shirou doesn't have to become Archer in the future for this to be valid; valid, though; he just has to see the swords]]. In other words, whether or not it is a stable time loop is less important than the fact that it could be.
* ''VisualNovel/ZeroEscape'':
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In ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'', this is one possible interpretation of the ending: [[spoiler:Akane worked her way through the Nonary Game 9 years in the past, transmitting the answers into Junpei in a possible future. When she reaches a puzzle she can't solve, she explores through possible futures until she figures out how to lead Junpei into one where he faces the same puzzle. He's able to solve it, and transmit the answer back to her, allowing her to avert her own death. But after this incident, she has to set up the second Nonary Game that Junpei finds himself in 9 years later, completing the loop. (The [[note]]The alternative theory is that Santa is trying to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong, while Akane is projecting an image of herself into the future throughout the first game.)]]
[[/note]]]]
** Its sequel, ''VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward,'' seems to be setting this up as well. [[spoiler: There In ''VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward'', [[spoiler:there are at least two. The first occurs in the path where the old woman does not die -- upon nearing the end of the path to Phi's ending, Sigma and Phi go back in time and save her, thereby setting up the timeline in which she lives. The second one is the cycle Sigma and Phi are going though, as explained by the diagram in the true ending route. However, the characters are actively trying to ''break'' the stable time loop, [[MindScrew which is why they set it up in the first place]], place]]]], which continues on into the third game]], game, ''VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma''.



* The DS game ''VisualNovel/TimeHollow'' is rife with these, mostly because [[spoiler:more than one person can adjust time]].
** In all reality, the entire game is one BIG Time Loop which is both stable and constantly shifting. The overarching plot is one huge example [[spoiler:due to the protagonist sending himself hints and clues at the end of the game to his startgame self]] but the events of both the past and present during certain periods is in constant flux, even though due to the looping nature, that flux is always in its own stable loop.

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* The DS game ''VisualNovel/TimeHollow'' is rife with these, mostly because [[spoiler:more than one person can adjust time]].
** In all reality, the entire game
is one BIG Time Loop which is both stable and constantly shifting. The overarching plot is one huge example [[spoiler:due to the protagonist sending himself hints and clues at the end of the game to his startgame self]] self]], but the events of both the past and present during certain periods is in constant flux, even though due to the looping nature, that flux is always in its own stable loop.



** [[WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}} Mumbo? Perhaps. Jumbo? Perhaps not!]]



** [[FridgeBrilliance Which would explain why there is more matter than anti-matter: Matter was here first!]]
26th Apr '17 1:35:06 PM TheGreatSkrond
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There are two basic types of time loop: a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_paradox predestination paradox]], in which events in the future ultimately trigger events in the past (Sorry [[Theatre/OedipusTheKing Oedipus]]. And [[Film/TheTerminator John Connor]].) and the even more mind-squirming "bootstrap paradox"[[note]]from the classic Creator/RobertHeinlein short story, "Literature/ByHisBootstraps"[[/note]] (also called the ontological paradox), in which the time loop allows for the existence of information or objects that have no origin. The classic hypothetical bootstrap paradox is to jump into the future, steal some wondrous gadget, come back to the original time, grab the patent on that gadget and start mass-producing them immediately. Eventually, they become so ubiquitous or so common that you, ten, twenty years younger, show up and steal one. The simplest version is the one where the time machine itself is the product of the stable time loop -- the character sees a version of himself pop into existence with a time machine, hand it to him, and press the button, only to be whisked into the past where he hands it to his past self and presses the button[[note]]This exact example is also an Object Paradox, wherein the time machine has no past and no future outside the loop, no origin, and somehow never decays or suffers wear and tear[[/note]].

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There are two basic types of time loop: a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_paradox predestination paradox]], in which events in the future ultimately trigger events in the past (Sorry [[Theatre/OedipusTheKing Oedipus]]. And [[Film/TheTerminator John Connor]].) and the even more mind-squirming "bootstrap paradox"[[note]]from the classic Creator/RobertHeinlein short story, "Literature/ByHisBootstraps"[[/note]] (also called the ontological paradox), in which the time loop allows for the existence of information or objects that have no origin. The classic hypothetical bootstrap paradox is to jump into the future, steal some wondrous gadget, come back to the original time, grab the patent on that gadget and start mass-producing them immediately. Eventually, they become so ubiquitous or so common that you, ten, twenty years younger, show up and steal one. The simplest version is the one where the time machine itself is the product of the stable time loop -- the character sees a version of himself pop into existence with a time machine, hand it to him, and press the button, only to be whisked into the past where he hands it to his past self and presses the button[[note]]This exact example is also an Object Paradox, wherein the time machine has no past and no future outside the loop, no origin, and somehow never decays or suffers wear and tear[[/note]].
tear[[/note]]. The paradox can be resolved as regards physical objects by noting that such a process would imply the spontaneous creation and subsequent elimination of mass-energy, which violates the 1st Law of Thermodynamics (a principle established 150 years ago to which no exceptions have ever been found).
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