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20th Aug '17 2:01:36 PM WillKeaton
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* Averted with Argos, the FantasyCounterpartCulture of Spain in ''TabletopGame/AnimaBeyondFantasy''. While depicted as having a mostly barren landscape (see "Real Life" below) very similar to (most of) RealLife Spain, complete with windmills and resembling the real country during the time of the Catholic Monarchs (feudalism, strong ties to the Church, and (very exaggerated) religious fanatism) TorosYFlamenco is nowhere mentioned, nor anything that resembles this trope[[note]]That the game is Spanish, as well as the rather vague and short descriptions of each country, surely help[[/note]].

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* Averted with Argos, the FantasyCounterpartCulture of Spain in ''TabletopGame/AnimaBeyondFantasy''. While depicted as having a mostly barren landscape (see "Real Life" below) very similar to (most of) RealLife Spain, complete with windmills and resembling the real country during the time of the Catholic Monarchs (feudalism, strong ties to the Church, and (very exaggerated) religious fanatism) TorosYFlamenco is nowhere mentioned, nor anything that resembles this trope[[note]]That trope.[[note]]That the game is Spanish, as well as the rather vague and short descriptions of each country, surely help[[/note]].help.[[/note]]
20th Aug '17 2:00:54 PM WillKeaton
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* The [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans Pamplona street scenes]] in the episode "[[TorosYFlamenco El Toro Bravo]]" of ''CriminalMindsBeyondBorders'' were filmed in the "[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/ush/backlot/oldmexico.shtml Old Mexico]]" set at Creator/{{Universal}} Studios, a place better suited for a Pancho Villa or {{Franchise/Zorro}} flick with dwarf palms, cacti, sand-covered streets and buildings clearly intended for a climate both warmer and drier,[[note]]Mostly [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_the_California_missions Mission style]], but with more than one flat [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taos_Pueblo,_New_Mexico Puebloan-like]] rooftop[[/note]] which is only made more obvious by the abundant jumps to stock footage of the real [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamplona Pamplona]]. Why they didn't film in the "[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/wp/studios/universal-studios-hollywood/backlot/current-backlot-sets/little-europe/ Little Europe]]" set used by ''Series/TheUnit'' and ''Series/CarolineInTheCity'' (this one with its own Running of the Bulls, even) is anyone's guess. Another puzzling element is that the actors playing Spaniards (none of them born in Spain) were apparently coached to make a Spaniard accent when speaking English, but not when speaking Spanish. Most tried on their own ([[OohMeAccentsSlipping with variable success]]) but the one playing the BiggerBad didn't.

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* The [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans Pamplona street scenes]] in the episode "[[TorosYFlamenco El Toro Bravo]]" of ''CriminalMindsBeyondBorders'' were filmed in the "[[http://www.[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/ush/backlot/oldmexico.shtml Old Mexico]]" "Old Mexico"]] set at Creator/{{Universal}} Studios, a place better suited for a Pancho Villa or {{Franchise/Zorro}} flick with dwarf palms, cacti, sand-covered streets and buildings clearly intended for a climate both warmer and drier,[[note]]Mostly [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_the_California_missions Mission style]], but with more than one flat [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taos_Pueblo,_New_Mexico Puebloan-like]] rooftop[[/note]] which is only made more obvious by the abundant jumps to stock footage of the real [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamplona Pamplona]]. Why they didn't film in the "[[http://www.[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/wp/studios/universal-studios-hollywood/backlot/current-backlot-sets/little-europe/ Little Europe]]" "Little Europe"]] set used by ''Series/TheUnit'' and ''Series/CarolineInTheCity'' (this one with its own Running of the Bulls, even) is anyone's guess. Another puzzling element is that the actors playing Spaniards (none of them born in Spain) were apparently coached to make a Spaniard accent when speaking English, but not when speaking Spanish. Most tried on their own ([[OohMeAccentsSlipping with variable success]]) but the one playing the BiggerBad didn't.
20th Aug '17 2:00:18 PM WillKeaton
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* Verizon, as seen in [[http://contexts.org/socimages/2010/04/17/spain-mexico-whatever/ this sociologist's blog post]], has got a print ad out there with "Coverage in Spain" on it (just ignore the "and [[LiesDamnedLiesAndStatistics 25 more countries]] than the UN recognizes" part) with the Verizon guy in front of a crowd of stereotypical Mexicans.

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* Verizon, as seen in [[http://contexts.org/socimages/2010/04/17/spain-mexico-whatever/ this sociologist's blog post]], post,]] has got a print ad out there with "Coverage in Spain" on it (just ignore the "and [[LiesDamnedLiesAndStatistics 25 more countries]] than the UN recognizes" part) with the Verizon guy in front of a crowd of stereotypical Mexicans.
20th Aug '17 1:59:40 PM WillKeaton
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Fiction writers seem to not just confuse UsefulNotes/{{Mexico}} and UsefulNotes/{{Spain}}, but to fuse them into a strange amalgam of the most general stereotypes of both, much as {{Scotireland}} fuses Scotland and Ireland. Maybe it's because they share [[UsefulNotes/SpanishLanguage a language]] and their majority [[ChristianityIsCatholic religion]], the fact that Mexico used to be a Spanish colony, they both have exotic foods and customs compared to an Anglo-Saxon culture[[note]]And compared to each other, as well.[[/note]], or simply that the author didn't check the facts ''and'' hasn't travelled much, either.

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Fiction writers seem to not just confuse UsefulNotes/{{Mexico}} and UsefulNotes/{{Spain}}, but to fuse them into a strange amalgam of the most general stereotypes of both, much as {{Scotireland}} fuses Scotland and Ireland. Maybe it's because they share [[UsefulNotes/SpanishLanguage a language]] and their majority [[ChristianityIsCatholic religion]], the fact that Mexico used to be a Spanish colony, they both have exotic foods and customs compared to an Anglo-Saxon culture[[note]]And culture,[[note]]And compared to each other, as well.[[/note]], [[/note]] or simply that the author didn't check the facts ''and'' hasn't travelled much, either.
8th Aug '17 9:18:25 AM CosmicFerret
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** Antonio Banderas is Spanish, but often plays Mexican characters, such as in his two ''Film/ElMariachi'' films. In the original English version and in the Mexican dub for ''Film/{{Shrek}}'' he gives Puss-in-Boots a thick Spaniard accent, whereas in the Spaniard dub he uses an Andalusian accent (which, funnily enough, is his ''mother'' accent--he's from Málaga).

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** Antonio Banderas is Spanish, but often plays Mexican characters, such as in his two ''Film/ElMariachi'' films. In the original English version and in the Mexican dub for ''Film/{{Shrek}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}'' he gives Puss-in-Boots a thick Spaniard accent, whereas in the Spaniard dub he uses an Andalusian accent (which, funnily enough, is his ''mother'' accent--he's from Málaga).
14th Jul '17 11:22:04 AM Bearsca
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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castilian and Latin American dubs]] in Website/{{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.

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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castilian and Latin American dubs]] in on Website/{{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.
5th Jul '17 6:28:34 PM jormis29
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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castilian and Latin American dubs]] in {{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.

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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castilian and Latin American dubs]] in {{YouTube}} Website/{{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.



* In the ''WebOriginal/YouTube'' viral video ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqLdFFKvhH4 4 Shocking Facts about US Healthcare]]'' (a.k.a. "I can literally fly to Spain, live in Madrid for 2 years, learn Spanish, run with the bulls, get trampled, get my hip replaced again, and fly home for less than the cost of a hip replacement in the US."), the narrator's avatar wears a mariachi suit and sombrero after he undergoes two years of "cultural acclimation" in Madrid.

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* In the ''WebOriginal/YouTube'' ''Website/YouTube'' viral video ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqLdFFKvhH4 4 Shocking Facts about US Healthcare]]'' (a.k.a. "I can literally fly to Spain, live in Madrid for 2 years, learn Spanish, run with the bulls, get trampled, get my hip replaced again, and fly home for less than the cost of a hip replacement in the US."), the narrator's avatar wears a mariachi suit and sombrero after he undergoes two years of "cultural acclimation" in Madrid.
30th Jun '17 5:08:43 PM Laqueesha
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Compare FarEast, AncientGrome, {{Scotireland}}, and {{Mayincatec}}. [=Spexico=] is not the only example of transatlantic fusion, however: a similar phenomenon occurs with depictions of Quebec in Hollywood movies as being full of Frenchmen with Parisian accents and mannerisms, and outside the Anglosphere some people can't see the difference between the UK and the USA either.

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Compare FarEast, AncientGrome, {{Scotireland}}, and {{Mayincatec}}. [=Spexico=] is not the only example of transatlantic fusion, however: a similar phenomenon occurs with depictions of Quebec in Hollywood movies as being full of Frenchmen with Parisian accents and mannerisms, and outside the Anglosphere some people can't see the difference between the UK and the USA US either.
28th Jun '17 8:01:16 AM Naram-Sin
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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castillian and Latin American dubs]] in {{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.

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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castillian Castilian and Latin American dubs]] in {{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.



* Most astounding example in ''Creator/TomClancy 's Op-Center: Balance of Power'': It looks like the author's first intention was to draw a parallelism between the nationalities of the former Yugoslavia and Spain, but did not do the most basic research and confused "[[YouKeepUsingThatWord ethnicity]]" with ''race''. As a result his depiction of Spain is that of a society divided into racial castes with close resemblance to the traditional ones of Mexico and many other countries in Latin America (i.e. Whites on top, Mestizos in the middle, Indians and Blacks at the bottom), without realizing that said division is the result of an old colonial system that couldn't obviously exist in Spain since she was the original ''colonizer''. And that's only one of the [[CriticalResearchFailure thousands of errors]] in the book.

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* Most astounding example in ''Creator/TomClancy 's Op-Center: Balance of Power'': It looks like the author's first intention was to draw a parallelism between the nationalities of the former Yugoslavia and Spain, but did not do the most basic research and confused "[[YouKeepUsingThatWord ethnicity]]" with ''race''. As a result result, his depiction of Spain is that of a society divided into in racial castes with close resemblance to the traditional ones of Mexico and many other countries in Latin America (i.e. Whites on top, Mestizos in the middle, Indians and Blacks at the bottom), without realizing that said division is the result of an old colonial system that couldn't obviously exist in Spain since she because it was the original ''colonizer''.[[CaptainObvious colonizer]]. And that's only one of the [[CriticalResearchFailure thousands of errors]] in the book.



* The [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans Pamplona street scenes]] in the episode "[[TorosYFlamenco El Toro Bravo]]" of ''CriminalMindsBeyondBorders'' were filmed in the "[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/ush/backlot/oldmexico.shtml Old Mexico]]" set at Creator/{{Universal}} Studios, a place better suited for a Pancho Villa or {{Franchise/Zorro}} flick with dwarf palms, cacti, sand-covered streets and buildings clearly intended for a climate both warmer and drier,[[note]]Mostly [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_the_California_missions Mission style]], but with more than one flat [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taos_Pueblo,_New_Mexico Puebloan-like]] rooftop[[/note]] which is only made more obvious by the abundant stock footage of the real [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamplona Pamplona]]. Why they didn't film in the "[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/wp/studios/universal-studios-hollywood/backlot/current-backlot-sets/little-europe/ Little Europe]]" set used by ''Series/TheUnit'' and ''Series/CarolineInTheCity'' (this one with its own Running of the Bulls, even) is anyone's guess. Another puzzling element is that the actors playing Spaniards (none of them born in Spain) were apparently coached to make a Spaniard accent when speaking English, but not when speaking Spanish. Most tried on their own ([[OohMeAccentsSlipping with variable success]]) but the one playing the BiggerBad didn't.

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* The [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans Pamplona street scenes]] in the episode "[[TorosYFlamenco El Toro Bravo]]" of ''CriminalMindsBeyondBorders'' were filmed in the "[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/ush/backlot/oldmexico.shtml Old Mexico]]" set at Creator/{{Universal}} Studios, a place better suited for a Pancho Villa or {{Franchise/Zorro}} flick with dwarf palms, cacti, sand-covered streets and buildings clearly intended for a climate both warmer and drier,[[note]]Mostly [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_the_California_missions Mission style]], but with more than one flat [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taos_Pueblo,_New_Mexico Puebloan-like]] rooftop[[/note]] which is only made more obvious by the abundant jumps to stock footage of the real [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamplona Pamplona]]. Why they didn't film in the "[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/wp/studios/universal-studios-hollywood/backlot/current-backlot-sets/little-europe/ Little Europe]]" set used by ''Series/TheUnit'' and ''Series/CarolineInTheCity'' (this one with its own Running of the Bulls, even) is anyone's guess. Another puzzling element is that the actors playing Spaniards (none of them born in Spain) were apparently coached to make a Spaniard accent when speaking English, but not when speaking Spanish. Most tried on their own ([[OohMeAccentsSlipping with variable success]]) but the one playing the BiggerBad didn't.



* ''Series/EmptyNest'': Harry travels to Pamplona to [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans run with the bulls]] and drink tequila. Tequila is a Mexican drink distilled from the American agave plant.

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* ''Series/EmptyNest'': Harry travels to Pamplona to [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans run with the bulls]] and drink tequila. Tequila is a Mexican drink distilled from the [[MisplacedVegetation American agave plant.plant]].
* ''{{Series/Chuck}}'': In "Chuck versus the Honeymooners", Chuck fights a Basque terrorist with the very non-Basque name of Juan Diego Arnaldo. The actor playing Arnaldo is Cuban-born Carlos Lacamara, who speaks Spanish in his native accent.
* ''Series/CSINewYork'': In "Holding Cell", Mac investigates the death of a Barcelona businessman with the help of the victim's uncle, a member of the Catalan ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossos Mossos d'Esquadra]]'' (lit. "Squad Lads" in Catalan). Said character is played by Cuban-American actor Jsu Garcia and takes his notes in Cuban Spanish. In one scene, he mispronounces his own corps's name as ''Mossos de Estrada'' (''Estrada'' means "covered road" in Spanish).



* ''Wheelman'' depicts downtown Barcelona (a place where a single bullet being fired would make national news) as a {{Gangsterland}} divided between three major "cartels" whose members routinely engage in gunfights with firepower that would be alarming even in the most violence-striken parts of Mexico or Brazil. The [=NPCs=] speak English or Spanish from all over Spain and Latin America, and also look like it. Some of that might be explained by immigration, but it is weird to hear people complaining that gang warfare is fueling [Catalan] nationalists while speaking in a perfect Mexican or Cuban accent. Nobody bats an eye at Creator/VinDiesel's claim of coming all the way from Miami to join a gang as a hired driver/muscle, and there is at least one road ad for a salsa festival.

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* ''Wheelman'' depicts downtown Barcelona (a Barcelona, a place where a single bullet being fired would make national news) news, as a {{Gangsterland}} divided between three major "cartels" whose members routinely engage in gunfights with firepower that would be alarming even in the most violence-striken parts part of Mexico or Brazil. The [=NPCs=] speak English or Spanish from all over Spain and Latin America, and also look like it. Some of that might be explained by immigration, but it is weird to hear people complaining that gang warfare violence is fueling [Catalan] nationalists while speaking in a perfect Mexican or Cuban accent. Nobody bats an eye at Creator/VinDiesel's claim of coming all the way from Miami to join a gang as a hired driver/muscle, local gang, and there is at least one road ad for a salsa festival.
26th Jun '17 9:44:58 AM Shadoboy
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* ''La Flamencita'' of ''WesternAnimation/MuchaLucha'', a literal half masked ''luchadora'', half flamenco dancer who [[TheVoiceless plays castanets as a substitute of speech]].

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* ''La Flamencita'' of ''WesternAnimation/MuchaLucha'', a literal half masked ''luchadora'', half flamenco dancer who [[TheVoiceless plays castanets as a substitute of speech]]. To be fair, though, there are students from many parts of the world giving their twist on Lucha Libre (Like French Twist, the mime or Sonic Sumo from Japan).
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