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23rd Jul '17 7:32:11 PM Morgenthaler
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* In ''Leviathan'' the Russians conduct an experiment aimed at breeding a new species - the aquatic man. The "volunteers" are soldiers, [[ForScience never informed of the fact]], and the original experiment predictably turns out to have GoneHorriblyWrong, but when [[AmericaSavesTheDay several Americans accidentally discover its remnants and mess with them]], it eventually ends up GoneHorriblyRight.

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* In ''Leviathan'' ''Film/Leviathan1989'' the Russians conduct an experiment aimed at breeding a new species - the aquatic man. The "volunteers" are soldiers, [[ForScience never informed of the fact]], and the original experiment predictably turns out to have GoneHorriblyWrong, but when [[AmericaSavesTheDay several Americans accidentally discover its remnants and mess with them]], it eventually ends up GoneHorriblyRight.
15th Jul '17 10:41:07 AM nombretomado
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* Contested Ground Studios' ''TabletopGame/HotWar'' is a [[SpiritualSuccessor spiritual successor]] to their earlier game ''TabletopGame/ColdCity'' in which all the powers were trying to get their hands on "[[StupidJetpackHitler Twisted Technology]]" created by the Germans during WW2; in ''Hot War'', the Soviets seem to have gained the upper hand in this, and decide to use it to send the Cold War hot in 1963. After a nuclear strike, the Soviets send all manner of nightmares, from armies landed by ships that simply carry portals into arsenals in the Soviet Union (and some say much weirder locations...) through the simplest enemies, the Bayonet Troopers, up to Servitors (well, ok, Shoggoths) wandering around through the London tube tunnels (though London was spared a direct hit, the Tube, understandably, doesn't work and is largely no-mans-land). North of London, there is a zone where reality is starting to dissemble iself, and the parts are falling together in new ways. This was clearly marked, but is getting slowly larger. Welcome to the Special Situations Group; this stuff is now your job.

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* Contested Ground Studios' ''TabletopGame/HotWar'' is a [[SpiritualSuccessor spiritual successor]] to their earlier game ''TabletopGame/ColdCity'' in which all the powers were trying to get their hands on "[[StupidJetpackHitler Twisted Technology]]" created by the Germans during WW2; UsefulNotes/WW2; in ''Hot War'', the Soviets seem to have gained the upper hand in this, and decide to use it to send the Cold War hot in 1963. After a nuclear strike, the Soviets send all manner of nightmares, from armies landed by ships that simply carry portals into arsenals in the Soviet Union (and some say much weirder locations...) through the simplest enemies, the Bayonet Troopers, up to Servitors (well, ok, Shoggoths) wandering around through the London tube tunnels (though London was spared a direct hit, the Tube, understandably, doesn't work and is largely no-mans-land). North of London, there is a zone where reality is starting to dissemble iself, and the parts are falling together in new ways. This was clearly marked, but is getting slowly larger. Welcome to the Special Situations Group; this stuff is now your job.



* Subversion. A lot of Russia's best technology has never been super-science, but BoringButPractical. The T-34 tank is considered by some to have been the best of WorldWarII despite inconsistent quality control (some were superb, others were lemons) and maniacal saving on every non-essential part. Also Soviet small arms have long been quite good - they were usually disregarded by non-shooters due to their ugliness, but when it came to reliability, quality of steels and alloys used, rate of fire for automatic weapons and accuracy of rifles, it was a different kettle of fish.

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* Subversion. A lot of Russia's best technology has never been super-science, but BoringButPractical. The T-34 tank is considered by some to have been the best of WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII despite inconsistent quality control (some were superb, others were lemons) and maniacal saving on every non-essential part. Also Soviet small arms have long been quite good - they were usually disregarded by non-shooters due to their ugliness, but when it came to reliability, quality of steels and alloys used, rate of fire for automatic weapons and accuracy of rifles, it was a different kettle of fish.
17th Jun '17 10:37:53 AM JustTroper
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The Soviet record on science includes astounding triumphs -- they [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin put the first man in space]] and contributed immensely to theoretical physics (there were several Soviet Nobel laureates in physics, including Andrei Sakharov and Lev Landau) -- and also laughable failures, such as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism Lysenkoism]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union the abuse of psychiatry for "rehabilitation" purposes]]. The USSR pioneered [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_Keratotomy modern corrective eye surgery]], yet fell behind in steel manufacturing, despite experimenting with it the longest. The Soviets, however, [[ILoveNuclearPower loved Nuclear Power]], the world's first nuclear power plant to generate electricity for a power grid went online in USSR. Too bad [[{{UsefulNotes/Chernobyl}} a certain accident]] [[NeverLiveItDown ruined that reputation]]. So, this certainly has some basis in fact. Of course, the inconsistencies can be [[HandWave handwaved]] by the means of an AlternateUniverse, as ''Videogame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert'' testifies.

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The Soviet record on science includes astounding triumphs -- they [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin put the first man in space]] and contributed immensely to theoretical physics (there were several Soviet Nobel laureates in physics, including Andrei Sakharov and Lev Landau) Landau, and the Landau-Lifshitz textbooks on theoretical physics still remain among the best) -- and also laughable failures, such as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism Lysenkoism]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union the abuse of psychiatry for "rehabilitation" purposes]]. The USSR pioneered [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_Keratotomy modern corrective eye surgery]], yet fell behind in steel manufacturing, despite experimenting with it the longest. The Soviets, however, [[ILoveNuclearPower loved Nuclear Power]], the world's first nuclear power plant to generate electricity for a power grid went online in USSR. Too bad [[{{UsefulNotes/Chernobyl}} a certain accident]] [[NeverLiveItDown ruined that reputation]]. So, this certainly has some basis in fact. Of course, the inconsistencies can be [[HandWave handwaved]] by the means of an AlternateUniverse, as ''Videogame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert'' testifies.
4th Jun '17 12:27:11 AM VampireYoshi
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* ''ConspiracyX'': Project Rasputin was the Soviet answer to American research projects on national and global paranormal threats, with the real historical early 1950s Soviet research into extrasensory perception being fully incorporated into canon via RealityRetcon.
9th May '17 8:16:21 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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** The Soviets were leaders in long-term space habitation, and this shows with their achievements and their space stations.
9th May '17 8:08:36 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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* In ''Film/{{Leviathan 1989}}'', the Soviets conducted an experiment aimed at breeding a new species - the aquatic man. The "volunteers" were soldiers, [[ForScience never informed of the fact]], and the original experiment predictably [[GoneHorriblyWrong went horribly wrong]], but when several Americans accidentally discover its remnants and mess with them, it eventually ends up GoneHorriblyRight.

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* In ''Film/{{Leviathan 1989}}'', ''Leviathan'' the Soviets conducted Russians conduct an experiment aimed at breeding a new species - the aquatic man. The "volunteers" were are soldiers, [[ForScience never informed of the fact]], and the original experiment predictably [[GoneHorriblyWrong went horribly wrong]], turns out to have GoneHorriblyWrong, but when [[AmericaSavesTheDay several Americans accidentally discover its remnants and mess with them, them]], it eventually ends up GoneHorriblyRight.



* The Russian superhero film ''Film/{{Guardians}}'' has the titular four-person team be composed of representatives of four of the former Soviet republics, all of which were subjects to experimentation by Soviet scientists not long before the collapse of the USSR (a newspaper is shown with the headline "Genetics in service of the people"). The team includes a [[EverythingIsWorseWithBears werebear]], a KnifeNut [[SuperSpeed speedster]], an [[DishingOutDirt earth elemental]], and a woman, who has {{Invisibility}}, flexibility, temperature resistance, and doesn't need air. And the BigBad is their creator, who has turned himself into a cyborg and can manipulate any technology he sees and has a clone army.

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* The upcoming Russian superhero film ''Film/{{Guardians}}'' has the titular four-person team be composed of representatives of four of the former Soviet republics, all of which were subjects to experimentation by Soviet scientists not long before the collapse of the USSR (a newspaper is shown with the headline "Genetics in service of the people"). The team includes a [[EverythingIsWorseWithBears werebear]], a KnifeNut [[SuperSpeed speedster]], an [[DishingOutDirt earth elemental]], and a woman, who has {{Invisibility}}, flexibility, temperature resistance, and doesn't need air. And the BigBad is their creator, who has turned himself into a cyborg and can manipulate any technology he sees and has a clone army.



** The Soviet created simplified export variants, or "monkey models", of their military equipment, in part to mislead Western analysis of their capabilities (the simplified versions were intended to be used by the Soviets themselves to replace their losses in a full scale war when the pressure to maintain their combat strength means that they have to cut corners to ensure a ready supply of military equipment, much like the obsessive simplification the T-34 underwent during World War II. They found that they could support their allies, make money on the side, as well as field test their vehicles by exporting these versions). These simplified models typically lacked the more advanced fire control systems and electronics, armor inserts, high performance ammunition, and anti-tank guided missiles of the [[TankGoodness tanks]], or radar and avionics of the [[CoolPlane planes]] the Soviets made for themselves and their close allies.



** The Buran orbiter, while resembling simply a larger copy of the American Space Shuttle, was actually a far superior spacecraft (including, quite critically and very much against [[WeHaveReserves the typical Soviet stereotypes]], greater provisions for crew safety than its American counterpart). Too bad budget cuts meant it never got to do any manned spaceflights (just one remote-control test flight, something else the Space Shuttle couldn't do), and then was destroyed when its storage hanger collapsed in a storm.

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** The Buran orbiter, while resembling simply a larger copy of the American Space Shuttle, was actually a far superior spacecraft (including, spacecraft. It used a different launch and propulsion system, advanced avionics that allowed it to operate unmanned from launch, payload delivery, to landing, and, quite critically and very much against [[WeHaveReserves the typical Soviet stereotypes]], greater provisions for crew safety than its American counterpart). counterpart. Too bad budget cuts meant it never got to do any manned spaceflights (just spaceflights, having completed only one remote-control test flight, something else unmanned mission, before it was mothballed when the Space Shuttle couldn't do), and then Soviet Union collapsed. The only complete Buran orbiter was destroyed in 2002 when its storage hanger collapsed in a storm.storm, putting an end to what was the most advanced reusable heavy launch system ever developed.
9th May '17 8:06:25 AM erforce
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* In ''Leviathan'' the Russians conduct an experiment aimed at breeding a new species - the aquatic man. The "volunteers" are soldiers, [[ForScience never informed of the fact]], and the original experiment predictably turns out to have GoneHorriblyWrong, but when [[AmericaSavesTheDay several Americans accidentally discover its remnants and mess with them]], it eventually ends up GoneHorriblyRight.

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* In ''Leviathan'' ''Film/{{Leviathan 1989}}'', the Russians conduct Soviets conducted an experiment aimed at breeding a new species - the aquatic man. The "volunteers" are were soldiers, [[ForScience never informed of the fact]], and the original experiment predictably turns out to have GoneHorriblyWrong, [[GoneHorriblyWrong went horribly wrong]], but when [[AmericaSavesTheDay several Americans accidentally discover its remnants and mess with them]], them, it eventually ends up GoneHorriblyRight.



* The upcoming Russian superhero film ''Film/{{Guardians}}'' has the titular four-person team be composed of representatives of four of the former Soviet republics, all of which were subjects to experimentation by Soviet scientists not long before the collapse of the USSR (a newspaper is shown with the headline "Genetics in service of the people"). The team includes a [[EverythingIsWorseWithBears werebear]], a KnifeNut [[SuperSpeed speedster]], an [[DishingOutDirt earth elemental]], and a woman, who has {{Invisibility}}, flexibility, temperature resistance, and doesn't need air. And the BigBad is their creator, who has turned himself into a cyborg and can manipulate any technology he sees and has a clone army.

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* The upcoming Russian superhero film ''Film/{{Guardians}}'' has the titular four-person team be composed of representatives of four of the former Soviet republics, all of which were subjects to experimentation by Soviet scientists not long before the collapse of the USSR (a newspaper is shown with the headline "Genetics in service of the people"). The team includes a [[EverythingIsWorseWithBears werebear]], a KnifeNut [[SuperSpeed speedster]], an [[DishingOutDirt earth elemental]], and a woman, who has {{Invisibility}}, flexibility, temperature resistance, and doesn't need air. And the BigBad is their creator, who has turned himself into a cyborg and can manipulate any technology he sees and has a clone army.
9th May '17 7:05:41 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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** The enormous [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/n1_(rocket) N-1) super-heavy launch vehicle and moon rocket that was the Soviet counterpart to the US's Saturn V both averts this trope, in that all four test flights ended in [[MadeOfExplodium explosive failures]], as well as plays this straight in some of the things that carried on from the N-1. The Soviet moon rocket was an enormously complicated rocket with 30 engines in its first stage alone, and there was never enough money and time (the Soviets having accomplished their feats of spaceflight on a significantly smaller budget than the American space program) to iron out the faults, with none of the test flights having went beyond the first stage. But while the N-1 never had a single success, the engines developed for it, the NK-33 and NK-43, are marvels, that after sitting in a warehouse for decades when the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_manned_lunar_programs Soviet lunar program]] was cancelled, astounded the West with their phenomenal performance characteristics. It and its derivatives are now going on to be used in rockets of Russian and American designs.

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** The enormous [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/n1_(rocket) N-1) N-1)]] super-heavy launch vehicle and moon rocket that was the Soviet counterpart to the US's Saturn V both averts this trope, in that all four test flights ended in [[MadeOfExplodium explosive failures]], as well as plays this straight in some of the things that carried on from the N-1. The Soviet moon rocket was an enormously complicated rocket with 30 engines in its first stage alone, and there was never enough money and time (the Soviets having accomplished their feats of spaceflight on a significantly smaller budget than the American space program) to iron out the faults, with none of the test flights having went beyond the first stage. But while the N-1 never had a single success, the engines developed for it, the NK-33 and NK-43, are marvels, that after sitting in a warehouse for decades when the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_manned_lunar_programs Soviet lunar program]] was cancelled, astounded the West with their phenomenal performance characteristics. It and its derivatives are now going on to be used in rockets of Russian and American designs.
9th May '17 7:02:30 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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** The enormous [[{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/n1_(rocket)} N-1) super-heavy launch vehicle and moon rocket that was the Soviet counterpart to the US's Saturn V both averts this trope, in that all four test flights ended in [[MadeOfExplodium explosive failures]], as well as plays this straight in some of the things that carried on from the N-1. The Soviet moon rocket was an enormously complicated rocket with 30 engines in its first stage alone, and there was never enough money and time (the Soviets having accomplished their feats of spaceflight on a significantly smaller budget than the American space program) to iron out the faults, with none of the test flights having went beyond the first stage. But while the N-1 never had a single success, the engines developed for it, the NK-33 and NK-43, are marvels, that after sitting in a warehouse for decades when the [[{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_manned_lunar_programs Soviet lunar program]] was cancelled, astounded the West with their phenomenal performance characteristics. It and its derivatives are now going on to be used in rockets of Russian and American designs.

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** The enormous [[{http://en.[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/n1_(rocket)} org/wiki/n1_(rocket) N-1) super-heavy launch vehicle and moon rocket that was the Soviet counterpart to the US's Saturn V both averts this trope, in that all four test flights ended in [[MadeOfExplodium explosive failures]], as well as plays this straight in some of the things that carried on from the N-1. The Soviet moon rocket was an enormously complicated rocket with 30 engines in its first stage alone, and there was never enough money and time (the Soviets having accomplished their feats of spaceflight on a significantly smaller budget than the American space program) to iron out the faults, with none of the test flights having went beyond the first stage. But while the N-1 never had a single success, the engines developed for it, the NK-33 and NK-43, are marvels, that after sitting in a warehouse for decades when the [[{https://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_manned_lunar_programs Soviet lunar program]] was cancelled, astounded the West with their phenomenal performance characteristics. It and its derivatives are now going on to be used in rockets of Russian and American designs.
9th May '17 7:00:43 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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* A real-life example of "abandoned Soviet experiment" is the NK-33 closed circuit rocket engine. Originally intended for use in the attempt to get a man on the Moon, the prototypes were supposed to be destroyed once that project was cancelled. Sore losers the Soviets. Fortunately, several NK-33 engines were hidden in a warehouse by their designer, Nikolai Dmitriyevich Kuznetsov. That happened in the 70s. Fast forward to the 90s, when somewhat improved relations between East and West, and presumably some money, helped the old relics emerge from storage, where they proved to be still cutting edge tech despite being two decades old. If [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NK-33 Wikipedia is to be believed]], the NK-33 achieves the highest thrust-to-mass ratio among all currently existing rocket engines.

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* A real-life example of "abandoned Soviet experiment" is the NK-33 closed circuit rocket engine. Originally intended for use in the attempt to get a man on the Moon, the prototypes were supposed to be destroyed once that project was cancelled. Sore losers the Soviets. Fortunately, several NK-33 engines were hidden in a warehouse by their designer, Nikolai Dmitriyevich Kuznetsov. That happened in the 70s. Fast forward to the 90s, when somewhat improved relations between East and West, and presumably some money, helped the old relics emerge from storage, where they proved to be still cutting edge tech despite being two decades old. If old when they were found. The technology behind the NK-33 allows it to be a very efficient engine, and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NK-33 Wikipedia is to be believed]], the NK-33 achieves the highest a thrust-to-mass ratio that is among the highest among all currently existing rocket engines.engines, and that is for an engine that is over four decades old.



** The enormous N-1 super-heavy launch vehicle and moon rocket that was the Soviet counterpart to the US's Saturn V both averts this trope, in that all four test flights ended in [[MadeOfExplodium explosive failures]], as well as plays this straight in some of the things that carried on from the N-1. The Soviet moon rocket was an enormously complicated rocket with 30 engines in its first stage alone, and there was never enough money and time (the Soviets having accomplished their feats of spaceflight on a significantly smaller budget than the American space program) to iron out the faults, with none of the test flights having went beyond the first stage. But while the N-1 never had a single success, the engines developed for it where marvels. The engines created for the rocket, the NK-33 and NK-43, where ordered destroyed when the Soviet lunar program was cancelled, but the bureaucrat in charge of this opted to store them away, and they sat for decades in a warehouse until news of their existence leaked out after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 90's. These engines, that were produced over three decades ago, used technology that was considered by the West to be practically impossible and had performance characteristics that are phenomenal for kerosene engines even today, and it and its derivatives are now powering rockets of both Russian and American designs, with the Russian government considering restarting production of the engines.

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** The enormous N-1 [[{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/n1_(rocket)} N-1) super-heavy launch vehicle and moon rocket that was the Soviet counterpart to the US's Saturn V both averts this trope, in that all four test flights ended in [[MadeOfExplodium explosive failures]], as well as plays this straight in some of the things that carried on from the N-1. The Soviet moon rocket was an enormously complicated rocket with 30 engines in its first stage alone, and there was never enough money and time (the Soviets having accomplished their feats of spaceflight on a significantly smaller budget than the American space program) to iron out the faults, with none of the test flights having went beyond the first stage. But while the N-1 never had a single success, the engines developed for it where marvels. The engines created for the rocket, it, the NK-33 and NK-43, where ordered destroyed are marvels, that after sitting in a warehouse for decades when the [[{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_manned_lunar_programs Soviet lunar program program]] was cancelled, but the bureaucrat in charge of this opted to store them away, and they sat for decades in a warehouse until news of their existence leaked out after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 90's. These engines, that were produced over three decades ago, used technology that was considered by astounded the West to be practically impossible and had with their phenomenal performance characteristics that are phenomenal for kerosene engines even today, and it characteristics. It and its derivatives are now powering going on to be used in rockets of both Russian and American designs, with the Russian government considering restarting production of the engines.designs.
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