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17th Apr '18 6:41:33 AM Allronix
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** The main representatives for the factions also count. Grandmaster Satele on the Republic side is, at first appearance, an ideal Jedi. However, her being [[IdenticalGrandson descended from Bastila Shan and Revan]], who both had nasty falls to the Dark Side put her under a lot of scrutiny. She also had a forbidden affair that produced Theron Shan, and was anything but a model parent, and doubled down on Jedi dogma. On the flip side, there's Darth Malgus, who looks like your typical DarthVaderClone, but is a surprisingly reasonable and thoughtful Sith, and was once a [[UnholyMatrimony devoted husband]] (granted, his Twi'lek "wife" was a SexSlave on paper, and he killed her when another Sith pointed out she could be used as a weakness against him), who [[spoiler: ends up rebelling against the Empire in a XanatosGambit to force it into making needed reforms]].

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** The main representatives for the factions also count. Grandmaster Satele on the Republic side is, at first appearance, an ideal Jedi. However, her being [[IdenticalGrandson descended from Bastila Shan and Revan]], who both had nasty falls to the Dark Side put her under a lot of scrutiny. She also had a forbidden affair that produced Theron Shan, and was anything but a model parent, and doubled down on Jedi dogma. On the flip side, there's Darth Malgus, who looks like your typical DarthVaderClone, but is a surprisingly reasonable and thoughtful Sith, and was once a [[UnholyMatrimony devoted husband]] (granted, his Twi'lek "wife" was a SexSlave on paper, and he killed her when another Sith pointed out she could be used as a weakness against him), who [[spoiler: ends up rebelling against the Empire in a XanatosGambit to force it into making needed reforms]].



** The Sith Inquisitor and Jedi Consular crank it up even more; their ''entire teams'' are inverses of one another. Their first companion is TheBigGuy; Qyzen is a [[GreatWhiteHunter Trandoshan hunter]] who prefers hunting dangerous, but nonsentient wildlife. Khem Val is [[ImAHumanitarian a Dashade who prefers eating Force wielders]]. Talos is a naive AbentMindedProfessor who loves Sith history. Tharan Cedrax is a streetwise citizen of [[ViceCity Nar Shadaa]] who loves anything ''but'' Force-based mysticism. Andronikos is a surly pirate that isn't loyal to much but credits, Felix is a cheerful and loyal Republic grunt. Nadia is a powerful, but untrained Force wielder who needs to learn how to control her powers and emotions. Ashara is equally talented, but has been trained as a Jedi all her life and her arc is in accepting her passions. Xalak and Zenith aren't quite as matched, but they're both the bloodthirsty type; Zenith approving of destroying Imperials and collaborators (and civilian casualties are no big deal) as a ColdSniper and Xalek being a ProudWarriorRaceGuy who sees the Sith as living gods.

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** The Sith Inquisitor and Jedi Consular crank it up even more; their ''entire teams'' are inverses of one another. Their first companion is TheBigGuy; Qyzen is a [[GreatWhiteHunter Trandoshan hunter]] who prefers hunting dangerous, but nonsentient wildlife. wildlife]]. Khem Val is [[ImAHumanitarian a Dashade who prefers eating Force wielders]]. Talos is a naive AbentMindedProfessor AbsentMindedProfessor who loves Sith history.history and mysticism, despite being unable to use the Force himself. Tharan Cedrax is a streetwise citizen of [[ViceCity Nar Shadaa]] who loves anything ''but'' Force-based mysticism. Andronikos is a surly pirate that isn't loyal to much but credits, Felix is a cheerful and loyal Republic grunt. Nadia is a powerful, but untrained Force wielder who needs to learn how to control her powers and emotions. Ashara is equally talented, but has been trained as a Jedi all her life and her arc is in accepting her passions. Xalak and Zenith aren't quite as matched, but they're both the bloodthirsty type; Zenith approving of destroying Imperials and collaborators (and civilian casualties are no big deal) as a ColdSniper and Xalek being a ProudWarriorRaceGuy who sees the Sith as living gods.
17th Apr '18 6:37:38 AM Allronix
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** The main representatives for the factions also count. Grandmaster Satele on the Republic side is, at first appearance, an ideal Jedi. However, her being [[IdenticalGrandson descended from Bastila Shan and Revan]], who both had nasty falls to the Dark Side put her under a lot of scrutiny. She also had a forbidden affair that produced Theron Shan, and was anything but a model parent, and doubled down on Jedi dogma. On the flip side, there's Darth Malgus, who looks like your typical DarthVaderClone, but is a surprisingly reasonable and thoughtful Sith, and was once a [[UnholyMatrimony devoted husband]] (granted, his Twi'lek "wife" was a SexSlave on paper, and he killed her when another Sith pointed out she could be used as a weakness against him), who [[spoiler: ends up rebelling against the Empire in a XanatosGambit to force it into making needed reforms]].


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** The Sith Inquisitor and Jedi Consular crank it up even more; their ''entire teams'' are inverses of one another. Their first companion is TheBigGuy; Qyzen is a [[GreatWhiteHunter Trandoshan hunter]] who prefers hunting dangerous, but nonsentient wildlife. Khem Val is [[ImAHumanitarian a Dashade who prefers eating Force wielders]]. Talos is a naive AbentMindedProfessor who loves Sith history. Tharan Cedrax is a streetwise citizen of [[ViceCity Nar Shadaa]] who loves anything ''but'' Force-based mysticism. Andronikos is a surly pirate that isn't loyal to much but credits, Felix is a cheerful and loyal Republic grunt. Nadia is a powerful, but untrained Force wielder who needs to learn how to control her powers and emotions. Ashara is equally talented, but has been trained as a Jedi all her life and her arc is in accepting her passions. Xalak and Zenith aren't quite as matched, but they're both the bloodthirsty type; Zenith approving of destroying Imperials and collaborators (and civilian casualties are no big deal) as a ColdSniper and Xalek being a ProudWarriorRaceGuy who sees the Sith as living gods.
7th Apr '18 1:48:17 PM vifetoile
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Character-wise, it's the part of the personality that embodies everything a character, called the 'Self', doesn't like about themselves, the [[BeneathTheMask things they deny and project on to others]]. To show these things to the audience we need an [[{{Foil}} embodiment]] of some sort. In fact, the more the Shadow has been repressed, the more powerful it becomes.

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Character-wise, it's the part of the personality that embodies everything a character, called the 'Self', doesn't like about themselves, the [[BeneathTheMask things they deny and project on to others]]. In fact, the more the Shadow has been repressed, the more powerful it becomes. To show these things to the audience we need an [[{{Foil}} embodiment]] of some sort. In fact, the more the Shadow has been repressed, the more powerful it becomes.\n
1st Apr '18 2:49:11 PM CountDorku
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* In''Film/ThorRagnarok'', Hela is this to Thor, showing what Thor might have become if Odin hadn't managed to teach him humility: a violent, sadistic BloodKnight who talks about the glory of Asgard, but cares nothing for the people in it, to the point of murdering its army and trying to keep the people in line with murderous undead.
21st Mar '18 9:06:33 PM Njein
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** ''Film/{{Skyfall}}'''s villain Raoul Silva is a former [[SecretIntelligenceService MI6]] agent (and a brilliant one, according to M), who is what James Bond could easily become. He even points this out multiple times over the course of the film, and the other characters aren't arguing with him, especially given that M leaving Silva for dead in China has echoes of her risking Bond's life at the beginning of the movie.

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** ''Film/{{Skyfall}}'''s villain Raoul Silva is a former [[SecretIntelligenceService MI6]] agent (and a brilliant one, according to M), who is what James Bond [[FaceHeelTurn could easily become.become]] if he crosses the HeWhoFightsMonsters line. He even points this out multiple times over the course of the film, and the other characters aren't arguing with him, especially given that M leaving Silva for dead in China has echoes of her risking Bond's life at the beginning of the movie.


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** Ernst Stavro Blofeld, James Bond's ArchEnemy and head of the NebulousEvilOrganization SPECTRE, is a stark contrast to M, Bond's boss. While both are the heads of a secret organization and give orders directly to their subordinates, M commands the respect of his peers and subordinates, Blofeld would often [[BadBoss kill minions]] [[YouHaveFailedMe the minute they fail to complete their assigned tasks]][[EvilIsPetty or for minor reasons.]]
18th Mar '18 8:20:50 AM E1craZ4life
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* Conversed in ''WesternAnimation/{{Coco}}'': Miguel's family, living and dead, continuously admonish him for his musical ambitions, saying that they don't want to see him become like his great-great-grandfather. [[spoiler:The man who Miguel believes to be his great-great-grandfather, Ernesto de la Cruz, was an accomplished musician who achieved his dreams by murdering his songwriter and taking credit for his work; these action reflect Miguel's hurtful actions against his family, and after discovering Ernesto's true colors, Miguel laments following in the footsteps of de la Cruz.]] [[spoiler:Miguel's actual great-great-grandfather, Héctor, was de la Cruz's first victim who wrote all the songs he sang in his life, and was murdered for wanting to return home. All the warnings from Miguel's family apply here, as Miguel came dangerously close to ending up like Héctor, if he hadn't succeeded in reconciling with his family.]]
16th Mar '18 5:33:35 PM LentilSandEater
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** Certain amoral alchemists are fond of telling Edward Elric that he's just like them for trying to bring his dead mother back to life, something he really doesn't want to hear but sometimes acknowledges is true. Arguably, Izumi reacts with anger when she finds out [[spoiler:because Ed represents her own guilt at her own attempts to bring her child back to life]].

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** Certain amoral alchemists are fond of telling Edward Elric that he's just like them for trying to bring his dead mother back to life, something he really doesn't want to hear but sometimes acknowledges is true. Arguably, Izumi reacts with anger when she finds out [[spoiler:because Ed represents her own guilt at her own attempts to bring her child back to life]].



** Esme and Lily Weatherwax (complete with lots and lots of mirror imagery), Angua and Wolfgang von Uberwald, [[Discworld/GoingPostal Moist von Lipwig and Reacher Gilt]] (arguably), and Vimes has his [[EnemyWithin Beast]], which he sees in many of the worst criminals he faces. [[Discworld/NightWatch Carcer]] is another example of a shadow archetype for Vimes: Where Vimes spends all his time controlling his inner monster, Carcer indulges the Beast to the fullest extent.

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** The sisters Esme and Lily Weatherwax (complete with lots and lots of mirror imagery), imagery). After Lily chose to use magic to serve herself Esme grudgingly became her good counterpart. They're both clever, proud and absolutely certain of their rightness.
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Angua and her psychotic brother Wolfgang von Uberwald, [[Discworld/GoingPostal Uberwald. Angua constantly struggles with the werewolf dilemma of looking like a human sometimes and a wolf the other, but not really fitting in with either. Wolfgang is utterly exultant in both forms and is a FullyEmbracedFiend
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Moist von Lipwig and Reacher Gilt]] (arguably), Gilt]]. Moist's clashes with Gilt cause him to do a bit of soul-searching to see what ''actual'' difference there is between them. Turns out Moist can make a pretty good AntiHero when he puts his mind to it. Reacher is Moist if he indulged his ambition and greed and cared nothing for screwing people over.
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Vimes has his [[EnemyWithin Beast]], which he sees in many of the worst criminals he faces. [[Discworld/NightWatch Carcer]] is another example of a shadow archetype for Vimes: Where Vimes spends all his time controlling his inner monster, Carcer indulges the Beast to the fullest extent.
16th Mar '18 5:20:07 PM LentilSandEater
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* ''Disney/TheLionKing'': Scar could be considered Simba's Shadow Archetype in Jungian terms: he is an adult with young Simba's [[YouAreNotReady headstrong and cocky]] nature and immature understanding of what being king means ("I'm the king, I can do whatever I want"). The plot is only solved when Simba defeats Scar, removing from himself his childishness.

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* ''Disney/TheLionKing'': Scar could be considered is Simba's Shadow Archetype in Jungian terms: he is an adult with young Simba's [[YouAreNotReady headstrong and cocky]] nature and immature understanding of what being king means ("I'm the king, I can do whatever I want"). The plot is only solved when Simba defeats Scar, removing from himself his childishness.
8th Mar '18 9:00:23 PM Gamermaster
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* Maki from ''Manga/KaguyaSamaWaKokurasetai'' is basically what Kaguya would be if Shirogane was dating someone else, right down to the same reactions, facial expressions, and line of thoughts. Fittingly enough, this is partly why the two don't like each other.

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* Maki from ''Manga/KaguyaSamaWaKokurasetai'' ''Manga/KaguyaSamaLoveIsWar'' is basically what Kaguya would be if Shirogane was dating someone else, right down to the same reactions, facial expressions, and line of thoughts. Fittingly enough, this is partly why the two don't like each other.
3rd Mar '18 4:53:53 PM G-Editor
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* ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' has [[spoiler: Joel]] and [[spoiler: Marlene]] who serve as each others shadows. Both are [[ActionSurvivor Harden survivors]] living in a [[AfterTheEnd Post-Apocolyptic world]], seen [[HumansAreBastards the atrocities humans are capable of committing]], and come to view Ellie as [[LikeADaughterToMe a surrogate daughter.]]. However, [[spoiler: Marlene]], despite [[HumansAreFlawed witnessing the worst in humanity still believes its still worth saving]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist will go to any lengths to ensure its survival]] [[spoiler: even if it mean having to kill her surrogate daughter to extract the cure for humanity.]] [[spoiler: Joel]] on the other hand greatly [[MisanthropeSupreme detest humanity]] because of how much he'd lost at its hands, [[note]]his biological daughter being killed by a human soldier not helping any matters[[/note]]and [[spoiler: is willing to doom it, rather than loose his surrogate daughter.]] Basically, [[spoiler: Marlene]] is [[spoiler: Joel]] if he chose to put humanity's survival above his own feelings and the well being of his loved ones and [[spoiler: Joel]] is [[spoiler: Marlene]] if she chose to put her feelings and self-interests above the greater good.
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