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23rd Aug '17 9:13:37 AM Njein
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** Other examples from the ''Bond'' films include ''Film/FromRussiaWithLove''[='=]s Red Grant & ''Film/{{Casino Royale|2006}}''[='=]s Le Chiffre (suave, handsome men of action) & ''Film/GoldenEye''[='=]s 006, Bond's former partner, who reappears from the dead & continually taunts Bond about his out-of-date values, failure to protect the women he loves, & loyalty to his country above his friends. The titular villains of ''Film/DrNo'' & ''Film/TheManWithTheGoldenGun'' also attempt, less convincingly, to play Shadow Archetypes to Bond.

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** Other examples from the ''Bond'' films include ''Film/FromRussiaWithLove''[='=]s Red Grant & Grant, ''Film/{{Casino Royale|2006}}''[='=]s Le Chiffre (suave, handsome men of action) & action), ''Film/GoldenEye''[='=]s 006, Bond's former partner, who reappears from the dead & and continually taunts Bond about his out-of-date values, failure to protect the women he loves, & and his loyalty to his country above his friends. The titular villains of ''Film/DrNo'' & and ''Film/TheManWithTheGoldenGun'' also attempt, less convincingly, to play Shadow Archetypes to Bond.
16th Aug '17 12:48:04 PM ClintEastwood
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* ''Series/{{Fringe}} has a series of complex and interesting examples revolving around Walter Bishop. Beware Spoiler:

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* ''Series/{{Fringe}} ''Series/{{Fringe}}'' has a series of complex and interesting examples revolving around Walter Bishop. Beware Spoiler:



** The new series frequently contrasts the Doctor with himself and what he could become. Especially in "Amy's Choice", with the darker self showing the Doctor's wishes for control, power, and interestingly, his own self-hatred.

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** The new series frequently contrasts the Doctor with himself and what he could become. Especially in "Amy's Choice", "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E7AmysChoice Amy's Choice]]", with the darker self showing the Doctor's wishes for control, power, and interestingly, his own self-hatred.
14th Aug '17 1:09:30 PM Allronix
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* Played with in Franchise/{{Tron}}: [[http://archiveofourown.org/series/46436 Endgame Scenario]] where the ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh'' cast are deliberately written as "light-sided" equivalents to villainous characters in the film timelines. [=Ma3a=] is a BenevolentAI meant to be a contrast to Master Control and Clu. Mercury's role as her enforcer and [[LadyAndKnight Champion]] has the same role as Sark and Rinzler, but played on the side of good. Jet is TheLancer and {{Foil}} to Sam Flynn, having a very different experience in {{Cyberspace}} that makes him a firm ally of the Programs, contrasted with Sam's ambivalence. The F-Con Trio and the Dillingers are also written as inverses of the Flynn-Bradley team.

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* Played with in Franchise/{{Tron}}: [[http://archiveofourown.org/series/46436 Endgame Scenario]] where two of the ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh'' cast are deliberately written as "light-sided" equivalents to villainous characters in the film timelines. [=Ma3a=] is a BenevolentAI meant to be a contrast to Master Control and Clu. Mercury's role as her enforcer and [[LadyAndKnight Champion]] has the same role as Sark and Rinzler, but played on the side of good. Jet is TheLancer and {{Foil}} to Sam Flynn, having a very different experience in {{Cyberspace}} that makes him a firm ally of the Programs, contrasted with Sam's ambivalence. The F-Con Trio and the Dillingers are also written as inverses of the Flynn-Bradley team.team, seeking domination over the digital world and control of the analog one where the heroes are fighting more for cooperation and symbiosis of both worlds.
14th Aug '17 1:00:46 PM Allronix
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* Played with in Franchise/{{Tron}}: [[http://archiveofourown.org/series/46436 Endgame Scenario]] where the ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh'' cast are deliberately written as "light-sided" equivalents to villainous characters in the film timelines. [=Ma3a=] is a BenevolentAI meant to be a contrast to Master Control and Clu. Mercury's role as her enforcer and [[LadyAndKnight Champion]] has the same role as Sark and Rinzler, but played on the side of good. Jet is TheLancer and TheFoil to Sam Flynn, having a very different experience in {{Cyberspace}} that makes him a firm ally of the Programs, contrasted with Sam's ambivalence.

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* Played with in Franchise/{{Tron}}: [[http://archiveofourown.org/series/46436 Endgame Scenario]] where the ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh'' cast are deliberately written as "light-sided" equivalents to villainous characters in the film timelines. [=Ma3a=] is a BenevolentAI meant to be a contrast to Master Control and Clu. Mercury's role as her enforcer and [[LadyAndKnight Champion]] has the same role as Sark and Rinzler, but played on the side of good. Jet is TheLancer and TheFoil {{Foil}} to Sam Flynn, having a very different experience in {{Cyberspace}} that makes him a firm ally of the Programs, contrasted with Sam's ambivalence. The F-Con Trio and the Dillingers are also written as inverses of the Flynn-Bradley team.
14th Aug '17 12:55:49 PM Allronix
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* Played with in Franchise/{{Tron}}: [[http://archiveofourown.org/series/46436 Endgame Scenario]] where the ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh'' cast are deliberately written as "light-sided" equivalents to villainous characters in the film timelines. [=Ma3a=] is a BenevolentAI meant to be a contrast to Master Control and Clu. Mercury's role as her enforcer and [[LadyAndKnight Champion]] has the same role as Sark and Rinzler, but played on the side of good. Jet is TheLancer and TheFoil to Sam Flynn, having a very different experience in {{Cyberspace}} that makes him a firm ally of the Programs, contrasted with Sam's ambivalence.
7th Aug '17 8:21:11 PM DVB
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* Nega-Scott of ''ComicBook/ScottPilgrim''. In the true Jungian tradition, Nega-Scott represents everything about himself that Scott doesn't want to deal with, [[spoiler:both his flaws, his mistakes and his true potential as a better person. It doesn't help that Gideon tampered with Scott's memories, thus making Nega-Scott's nature even more dubious and difficult to understand and deal with. In a potential case of WrongGenreSavvy, Scott finally clashes with his shadow and believes if he defeats Nega-Scott, he can move on. However, the battle ends when Kim explains what it actually means and Scott absorbs Nega-Scott]].

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* Nega-Scott of ''ComicBook/ScottPilgrim''. In the true Jungian tradition, Nega-Scott represents everything about himself that Scott doesn't want to deal with, [[spoiler:both [[spoiler: both his flaws, his mistakes and his true potential as a better person. It doesn't help However, what worsens and complicates matters is that Gideon tampered with Scott's memories, thus making Nega-Scott's nature even more dubious dubious. In fact, given its appearance when Scott began going out with Ramona and difficult to understand the mechanics of The Glow (the psychological weapon Gideon made that traps you in your own head and deal with. brings out your worse tendencies), it's possible that NegaScott didn't truly exist until Gideon messed with Scott's mind in the first place. In a potential case of WrongGenreSavvy, Scott finally clashes with his shadow and believes if he defeats Nega-Scott, he can move on. However, the battle ends when Kim explains what it actually means and Scott absorbs Nega-Scott]].



** Comicbook/MartianManhunter could be seen as a heroic example of this. Both Clark and J'onn are powerful, benevolent aliens who are the last of their kinds. The difference being that Superman was raised on Earth and considers himself human for the most part, while J'onn is Martian through and through. Superman is a friendly, handsome white guy; J'onn is a bald, crimson-eyed, stoic green man. Superman's powers (super strength, flight, super senses) are the stuff of Greek legends; Manhunter's powers (telepathy, Shapeshifting, invisibility) are the stuff people feared about aliens during the 50's.

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** Comicbook/MartianManhunter could be seen as a heroic example of this. Both Clark and J'onn are powerful, benevolent aliens who are the last of their kinds. The difference being that Superman was raised on Earth and considers himself human an Earthling for the most part, while J'onn is Martian through and through. Superman is a friendly, handsome white guy; J'onn is a bald, crimson-eyed, stoic green man. man (though his human guise is that of a BaldBlackGuy.) Superman's powers (super strength, flight, super senses) are the stuff of Greek legends; Manhunter's powers (telepathy, Shapeshifting, invisibility) are the stuff people feared about aliens during the 50's.
7th Aug '17 8:15:44 PM DVB
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** Every character has a (class-based) Nemesis, who turns out to represent a corrupted version of that class. Seal Clubbers face a seal stronger and fiercer that any before. Turtle Tamers fight a Turtle Poacher. Pastamancers, who control Pasta Spirits, fight a pasta spirit who no one can control. Saucerors, who allow The Sauce to flow through them, fight a blob that was rejected by the sauce. Accordion Thieves fight an angry mariachi, and Disco Bandits fight the Spirit of New Wave, the genre which killed Disco. In mid-2009 brief encounters with the Nemesis became possible, and as of early 2010 it's possible to complete the full side-quest against the Nemesis, complete with a secret IslandBase (with [[ChekhovsVolcano volcano]]!) and the Nemesis possessing a OneWingedAngel form.

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** Every character has a (class-based) Nemesis, who turns out to represent a corrupted version of that class. Seal Clubbers face a seal stronger and fiercer that any before. Turtle Tamers fight a Turtle former TT turned Poacher. Pastamancers, who control Pasta Spirits, fight a malevolent pasta spirit who no one can control. control with a god complex. Saucerors, who allow The Sauce to flow through them, fight a blob that was formed from the various bits and pieces rejected by the sauce.Sauce until it became sentient. Accordion Thieves fight an angry mariachi, and Disco Bandits fight the Spirit of New Wave, the genre which killed Disco. In mid-2009 brief encounters with the Nemesis became possible, and as of early 2010 it's possible to complete the full side-quest against the Nemesis, complete with a secret IslandBase (with [[ChekhovsVolcano volcano]]!) and the Nemesis possessing a OneWingedAngel form.
2nd Aug '17 4:43:35 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Roose Bolton to ''Tywin Lannister'' of all people. Both are the patriarchs of their families, both are StraightEdgeEvil and Magnificent Bastards who usually lock down their emotions and both have evil descendants (Ramsay for Roose, Joffrey for Tywin), both employ ''other'' psychopaths as their top enforcers (Locke and Gregor Clegane, respectively) but while Tywin is defined by his PragmaticVillainy and total devotion to his family's legacy, Roose every now and then lets slip that he just might be in it ForTheEvulz, although he's far more subtle about it than his son, and both betrayed their kings. It's also fun to point out that Michael [=McElhatton=] looks quite a bit like a younger Charles Dance. They also both die varyingly Undignified Deaths at the hands of their respective sons.

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Roose Bolton to ''Tywin Lannister'' of all people. Both are the patriarchs of their families, both are StraightEdgeEvil and Magnificent Bastards who usually lock down their emotions and both have evil descendants (Ramsay for Roose, Joffrey for Tywin), both employ ''other'' psychopaths as their top enforcers (Locke and Gregor Clegane, respectively) but while Tywin is defined by his PragmaticVillainy and total devotion to his family's legacy, Roose every now and then lets slip that he just might be in it ForTheEvulz, although he's far more subtle about it than his son, and both betrayed their kings. It's also fun to point out that Michael [=McElhatton=] looks quite a bit like a younger Charles Dance. They also both die varyingly Undignified Deaths at the hands of their respective sons.sons.
** Cersei is the picture of what could have gone wrong with several other female characters who shared some characteristics with her:
*** To Sansa. They were both sheltered daddy's girls from noble families, living a fantasy of marrying a PrinceCharming, which in both cases has gone horribly wrong, leaving them both disillusioned. Sansa's kinder nature and not actually spending years in a horrible marriage have left her in a better mental shape than Cersei, for now at least.
*** Tywin notes a similarity between a young Cersei and Arya in their spirited and rebellious natures. However, Cersei was forced by Tywin to conform to the standard submissive role for a Westerosi woman, and put her energy into becoming an evil queen.
*** Both Tyrell women, Margaery and Olenna, share many traits with Cersei they're manipulative, willing to use seduction (in Olenna's case, in the past) to further their goals and were "blessed" with not particularly politically competent husbands. Olenna and Cersei also share ruthlessness and and similarities in their acts go as far as committing a regicide and letting an innocent man take the fall. However, by growing (at least in Margaery's case) in a household where the female role was valued and taught instead of being reduced to a property of a man and a piece to haggle and being ''sane'', they get out of their roles everything Cersei couldn't: Margaery is a popular queen and gets to manipulate even Joffrey, and Olenna is the real head of her family who has raised a capable heiress and is the closest thing the series has to a female Tywin.
17th Jul '17 7:18:59 PM 313Bluestreak
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* ''WesternAnimation/ThomasTheTankEngine'': Spencer is this to the other pompous tender engines, particularly Gordon. He's just as prideful and arrogant, but while the others have gained experience and made friends on Sodor, Spencer is an unpopular fool that looks his nose down on the others. Downplayed as his character softened slightly in later episodes.
9th Jul '17 8:15:01 AM ToxicHolyGrenade
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Shadow Archetype has to do with two elements of writing; characters and settings. In this article we discuss character archetypes. For the settings viewpoint, see {{Shadowland}}.

Character-wise, it's the part of the personality that embodies everything a character, called the 'Self', doesn't like about themselves, the [[BeneathTheMask things they deny and project on to others]]. To show these things to the audience we need an [[{{Foil}} embodiment]] of some sort. Around here, we call some of those embodiments things like:

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Shadow Archetype has to do with two elements of writing; characters and settings.settings, and also the most feared archetype, even to heroes. In this article we discuss character archetypes. For the settings viewpoint, see {{Shadowland}}.

Character-wise, it's the part of the personality that embodies everything a character, called the 'Self', doesn't like about themselves, the [[BeneathTheMask things they deny and project on to others]]. To show these things to the audience we need an [[{{Foil}} embodiment]] of some sort. In fact, the more the Shadow has been repressed, the more powerful it becomes.

Around here, we call some of those embodiments things like:
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