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* ''SamuraiSentaiShinkenger'' and ''PowerRangersSamurai'' feature an eastern version with samurai. Where the Rangers came from long lineages of samurai, the SixthRanger is an old friend of the Red Ranger's; teaching himself to fight and building his own gear to fill a promise to help his buddy. The Rangers are reluctant to involve him in the fighting at first, but they soon accept his help.
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* ''SamuraiSentaiShinkenger'' and ''PowerRangersSamurai'' feature an eastern version with samurai.''Series/PowerRangersSamurai'' use samurai instead of knights, but the situation's the same. Where the Rangers came from long lineages of samurai, the SixthRanger is an old friend of the Red Ranger's; teaching himself to fight and building his own gear to fill a promise to help his buddy. The Rangers are reluctant to involve him in the fighting at first, but they soon accept his help.
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* ''DonQuixote de la Mancha'' who reads novels about Chivalry and sets out to revive chivalry as a self-proclaimed knight. This example is PlayedForLaughs (before the onset of CerebusSyndrome) as in the time ''Don Quixote'' takes place, wandering knights no longer exist.
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* ''DonQuixote ''Literature/DonQuixote de la Mancha'' who reads novels about Chivalry and sets out to revive chivalry as a self-proclaimed knight. This example is PlayedForLaughs (before the onset of CerebusSyndrome) as in the time ''Don Quixote'' takes place, wandering knights no longer exist.
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* In ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' Brienne of Tarth isn't allowed to be a knight because she's a woman, but she fights and acts like knights are supposed to act better than most of the real ones. This has gained her, on the whole, very little respect. It's also strongly implied that the [[PrecursorHeroes precursor hero]] Dunk of the ''Dunk and Egg'' stories was never actually knighted by his master, given his evasive replies any time that issue come up. Like Brienne, he exhibited the [[KnightInShiningArmor knightly virtues]] more so than many actual knights (there's also some possible GenerationXerox, since there's a suggestion the Brienne may be descended from Dunk [[hottip:*: at one point, she has to choose an alternate coat of arms and uses that off of an old shield she had seen lying around her home. Based on the description of the arms, that would seem to have been Dunk's shield]]).
** The Tourney at Harrenhal which sort of set in motion the events of the series has an example of this in "The Knight of the Laughing Tree". [[TheGhost Howland Reed]] came up from the boonies and was mocked by several knights before being defended by Lyanna Stark. At the actual tourney, the [[BlackKnight Knight of the Laughing Tree]] showed up and trounced the knights who had mocked Reed. While Bran Stark interprets the story as suggesting that Reed fought under this persona, it's strongly implied that it was actually [[SweetPollyOliver a disguised Lyanna Stark]].
** Ser Osmund Kettleblack, a cruel but ultimately cowardly scoundrel, is asked who knighted him and answers "Ser Robert... Stone", which is mostl likely a made-up LineOfSightName.
** The Tourney at Harrenhal which sort of set in motion the events of the series has an example of this in "The Knight of the Laughing Tree". [[TheGhost Howland Reed]] came up from the boonies and was mocked by several knights before being defended by Lyanna Stark. At the actual tourney, the [[BlackKnight Knight of the Laughing Tree]] showed up and trounced the knights who had mocked Reed. While Bran Stark interprets the story as suggesting that Reed fought under this persona, it's strongly implied that it was actually [[SweetPollyOliver a disguised Lyanna Stark]].
** Ser Osmund Kettleblack, a cruel but ultimately cowardly scoundrel, is asked who knighted him and answers "Ser Robert... Stone", which is mostl likely a made-up LineOfSightName.
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** Brienne of Tarth isn't allowed to be a knight because she's a woman, but she fights and acts like knights are supposed to act better than most of the real ones. This has gained her, on the whole, very little respect.
** It'salso strongly implied that the [[PrecursorHeroes precursor hero]] Dunk of the ''Dunk "Dunk and Egg'' Egg" short stories was never actually knighted by his master, given his evasive replies any time master. He claims that his master knighted him before he died, but he is repeatedly afflicted by unexplained guilt when the issue come up. Like gets raised. Ironically, he might be an ancestor to Brienne, he exhibited the [[KnightInShiningArmor knightly virtues]] more so than many actual given that his arms appear in her father's keep.
** Mystery Knights are tournament competitors who refuse to give their real names, making it ambiguous as to whether they're true knights(there's also are not. There are a few examples of people who aren't knights entering the lists as mystery knights, including Barristan Selmy when he was still a squire. There's some possible GenerationXerox, since there's a suggestion the Brienne may be descended from Dunk [[hottip:*: at one point, she has to choose an alternate coat of arms and uses evidence that off of an old shield she had seen lying around her home. Based on the description of the arms, that would seem to have been Dunk's shield]]).
** The Tourney at Harrenhal which sort of set in motion the events of the series has an example of this in"The Knight of the Laughing Tree". [[TheGhost Howland Reed]] came up from Tree" at the boonies and was mocked by several knights before being defended by Lyanna Stark. At the actual tourney, the [[BlackKnight Knight of the Laughing Tree]] showed up and trounced the knights who had mocked Reed. While Bran Stark interprets the story as suggesting that Reed fought under this persona, it's strongly implied that it Tourney at Harrenhal was actually [[SweetPollyOliver a disguised Lyanna Stark]].
Stark]].
** Ser Osmund Kettleblack,a cruel but ultimately cowardly scoundrel, is asked who claims he was knighted him and answers by "Ser Robert... Stone", Stone," which is mostl likely about as generic and untraceable a made-up LineOfSightName.name as John Smith.
** Brienne of Tarth isn't allowed to be a knight because she's a woman, but she fights and acts like knights are supposed to act better than most of the real ones. This has gained her, on the whole, very little respect.
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* ''DonQuixote de la Mancha'' who reads novels about Chivalry and sets out to revive chivalry as a self-proclaimed knight.
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** Arthur also hires a commoner to act as a knight and enter the jousting tournament. While the commoner, William, would show his face in between jousts it would be Arthur, with his face covered, who actually did the jousting. Arthur does this to show he can win a jousting tournament without any favoritism due to his station.
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*Lancelot in ''{{Series/Merlin}}''. He isn't a noble, so he can't become a knight, but lies about it to enter the tournament. Uther finds out and only spares his life because he believes Lancelot killed the griffin. Later, Arthur knights him for real. Gwaine zig zags the trope: He is a noble but does not reveal that, so he can't be a knight and eventually gets exiled after trying to stop a couple of guys impersonating knights with magic (further examples of the trope). Later, he gets knighted like Lancelot did.
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The knight's identity may either be revealed, normally alongside AnAesop about prejudice, or remain a mystery and become some sort of legend that inspires the people.
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A character wishes to become a knight but cannot, either because of gender, social class, or some other limitation. Thus they either lie about being a knight, or set out to become one in secret, often using a helmet to conceal their true identity. The character's motivation for becoming a knight can vary: Either he seeks to make a point, or perhaps he aspires to the ideal and romance of becoming a KnightInShiningArmor or KnightErrant. Often will be known by a descriptive title like "BlackKnight" or similar, or may be using a suitably noble sounding alias.
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A character wishes to become a knight but cannot, either because of gender, social class, or some other limitation. Thus they either lie about being a knight, or set out to become one in secret, often using a helmet to conceal their true identity. The character's motivation for becoming a knight can vary: Either he seeks sometimes they seek to make a point, prove themselves, sometimes they wish to escape another fate, or perhaps he they aspires to the ideal and romance of becoming a KnightInShiningArmor or KnightErrant. Often will be known by a descriptive title like "BlackKnight" or similar, or may be using a suitably noble sounding alias.
The knight's identity may eithercome out eventually be revealed, normally alongside AnAesop about prejudice, or remain a mystery and become some sort of legend that inspires the people.
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A character wishes to become a knight but cannot, either because of gender, social class, or some other limitation. Thus they either lie about being a knight, or set out to become one in secret, often using a helmet to conceal their true identity. The character's motivation for becoming a knight can vary: Either he seeks to make a point, or perhaps he aspires to the ideal and romance of becoming a KnightInShiningArmor or KnightErrant. Often will be known by a descriptive title like "BlackKnight" or similar, or may be using a suitably noble sounding alias.
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A character wishes to become a knight but cannot, either because of gender, social class, or some other limitation. Thus they come one in secret, often using a helmet to conceal their identity. The character's motivation for becoming a knight can vary: Either he seeks to make a point, or perhaps he aspires to the ideal and romance of becoming a KnightInShiningArmor or KnightErrant. Often will be known by a descriptive title like "BlackKnight" or similar, or may be using a suitably noble sounding alias.
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A character wishes to become a knight but cannot, either because of gender, social class, or some other limitation. Thus they come either lie about being a knight, or set out to become one in secret, often using a helmet to conceal their identity. The character's motivation for becoming a knight can vary: Either he seeks to make a point, or perhaps he aspires to the ideal and romance of becoming a KnightInShiningArmor or KnightErrant. Often will be known by a descriptive title like "BlackKnight" or similar, or may be using a suitably noble sounding alias.
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* Alanna in the first half of ''[[TortallUniverse Song of the Lioness]]'' pretends to be a boy named Alan so that she can train for knighthood. After she earns her shield the lie becomes knows and she leaves in search of adventure.
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* Alanna in the first half of ''[[TortallUniverse Song of the Lioness]]'' pretends to be a boy named Alan so that she can train for knighthood. After she earns her shield the lie becomes knows and she leaves in search of adventure.
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* Don Diego de la Vega as the mysterious black-clad rider who fights injustice in Spanish California in ''TheMaskOfZorro'' and Don Alejandro Murrieta de la Vega in ''TheLegendOfZorro''.
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A character wishes to become a knight but cannot, either because of gender, social class, or some other limitation. Thus they come one in secret, often using a helmet to conceal their identity. The character's motivation for becoming a knight can vary: Either he seeks to make a point, or perhaps he aspires to the ideal and romance of becoming a KnightInShinningArmor KnightInShiningArmor or KnightErrant. Often will be known by a descriptive title like "BlackKnight" or similar, or may be using a suitably noble sounding alias.
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* {{Batman}} in general, but especially how Commissioner Gordon tells it at the end of ''TheDarkKnight''. “He's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight.”
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** William (as Ulrich) earns the Prince's respect by actually meeting him on the competition field despite knowing his true identity., [[spoiler: which is why he later saves William's life and grants him a legal knighthood when his low-birth is revealed]].
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* At the end of ''ThePhantomMenace'', Anakin is allowed to be trained as a Jedi Knight in even though he is too old. He vents his frustration to Senator Amidala in AttackOfTheClones that he's ready to be a knight, but they won't let him move on.
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Where the RebelPrince says something along the lines of, “IJustWantToBeNormal,” the dark knight says, “IJustWantToBeSpecial.” Specifically, he wants to be a [[SaintChevalier great and noble knight]] but can't do it because he's too low-class or too high-class to be taken seriously. If they say that he's not allowed to then he will take up his [[KnightInShiningArmor shining armor and become a knight]] anyway. A BlueBlood, on the other hand, will become a heroic BlackKnight (a sort of KingIncognito) because after all, DarkIsNotEvil. In both cases he will probably have some sort of dark or noble SecretIdentity, even if it is an open secret.
The opposite of both types is the honest SaintChevalier, but since the defiant Self-Proclaimed Knight is a good guy he probably won't be a rival to the saintly white knight. By the end the heroic Black Knight's identity will probably remain a secret to the public so they can have an ideal to admire. For the KnightInShiningArmor, the secret will probably come out about the same time he rightfully earns his [[{{Knighting}} knighthood status]] and the former dark knight will have the chance to become either a [[SaintChevalier white knight]] or a villainous Black Knight.
The opposite of both types is the honest SaintChevalier, but since the defiant Self-Proclaimed Knight is a good guy he probably won't be a rival to the saintly white knight. By the end the heroic Black Knight's identity will probably remain a secret to the public so they can have an ideal to admire. For the KnightInShiningArmor, the secret will probably come out about the same time he rightfully earns his [[{{Knighting}} knighthood status]] and the former dark knight will have the chance to become either a [[SaintChevalier white knight]] or a villainous Black Knight.
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* Two of these end up coming into ''AKnightsTale''. One is the classic struggling underdog, William Thatcher, the peasant who's masquerading as the knight Ulrich Von Lichtenstein, and the other is the royal in disguise, Sir Thomas Colville or Edward, the Black Prince.
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* Two of these end up coming into ''AKnightsTale''. One is the classic struggling underdog, William Thatcher, the peasant who's masquerading as the knight Ulrich Von Lichtenstein, and the other is the royal in disguise, Sir Thomas Colville or Edward, the Black Prince.Prince, who just wants a chance to actually ''compete'' and earn something himself instead of being given everything because of his station.
** William (as Ulrich) earns the Prince's respect by actually meeting him on the competition field despite knowing his true identity., [[spoiler: which is why he later saves William's life and grants him a legal knighthood when his low-birth is revealed]].
** William (as Ulrich) earns the Prince's respect by actually meeting him on the competition field despite knowing his true identity., [[spoiler: which is why he later saves William's life and grants him a legal knighthood when his low-birth is revealed]].
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->'''William:''' So, we lie. How did the nobles become noble in the first place? They took it! At a tip of the sword! I'll do it with a lance... A man can change his stars. I won't spend the rest of my life as nothing.\\
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* Another classic struggling underdog is the blacksmith-hero of the 1954 film, ''The Black Knight'', who disguises himself under the eponymous title.
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* Another classic struggling underdog John, a blacksmith and swordsmith, is tutored at [[KingArthur Camelot]]. As a commoner, he can't hope to win the blacksmith-hero hand of Lady Linet, daughter of the Earl of Yeoniland, so he creates a secret alternate identity as the Black Knight in the 1954 film, ''The Black Knight'', who disguises himself under the eponymous title.Knight''.
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The opposite of both types is the honest SaintChevalier, but since the defiant Self-Proclaimed Knight is a good guy he probably won't be a rival to the saintly white knight. By the end the heroic Black Knight's identity will probably remain a secret to the public so they can have an ideal to admire. For the KnightInShiningArmor, the secret will probably come out about the same time he rightfully earns his knighthood status and the former dark knight will have the chance to become either a [[SaintChevalier white knight]] or a villainous Black Knight.
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->'''William:''' So, we lie. How did the nobles become noble in the first place? They took it! At a tip of the sword! I'll do it with a lance... A man can change his stars. I won't spend the rest of my life as nothing.\\
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Where the RebelPrince says something along the lines of, “IJustWantToBeNormal,” the dark knight says, “IJustWantToBeSpecial.” Specifically, he wants to be a [[SaintChevalier great and noble knight]] but can't do it because he's too low-class or too high-class to be taken seriously. If they say that he's not allowed to then he will take up his [[KnightInShiningArmor shining armor and become a knight]] anyway. A BlueBlood, on the other hand, will become a heroic BlackKnight (a sort of KingIncognito) because after all, DarkIsNotEvil. In both cases he will probably have some sort of dark or noble secret identity, even if it is an open secret.
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** The Tourney at Harrenhal which sort of set in motion the events of the series has an example of this in "The Knight of the Laughing Tree". [[TheGhost Howland Reed]] came up from the boonies and was mocked by several knights before being defended by Lyanna Stark. At the actual tourney, the [[BlackKnight Knight of the Laughing Tree]] showed up and trounced the knights who had mocked Reed. While Bran Stark interprets the story as suggesting that Reed fought under this persona, it's strongly implied that it was actually [[SweetPollyOliver a disguised Lyanna Stark]].
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The opposite of both types is the honest SaintChevalier, but since the defiant Self-Proclaimed Knight is a good guy he probably won't be a rival to the saintly white knight. By the end the heroic Black Knight's identity will probably remain a secret to the public so they can have an ideal to admire. For the KnightInShiningArmor, the secret will probably come out and the dark knight will have the chance to become either a [[SaintChevalier white knight]] or a villainous Black Knight.
The opposite of both types is the honest SaintChevalier, but since the defiant Self-Proclaimed Knight is a good guy he probably won't be a rival to the saintly white knight. By the end the heroic Black Knight's identity will probably remain a secret to the public so they can have an ideal to admire. For the KnightInShiningArmor, the secret will probably come out and the dark knight will have the chance to become either a [[SaintChevalier white knight]] or a villainous Black Knight.
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DarkIsNotEvil. In both cases he will probably have some sort of dark secret identity.
The opposite of both types is the honest SaintChevalier, but since the defiant Self-Proclaimed Knight is a good guy he probably won't be a rival to the saintly white knight. By the end the heroic Black Knight's identity will probably remain a secret to the public so they can have an ideal to admire. For the KnightInShiningArmor, the secret will probably come out about the same time he rightfully earns his knighthood status and the former dark knight will have the chance to become either a [[SaintChevalier white knight]] or a villainous Black Knight.
The opposite of both types is the honest SaintChevalier, but since the defiant Self-Proclaimed Knight is a good guy he probably won't be a rival to the saintly white knight. By the end the heroic Black Knight's identity will probably remain a secret to the public so they can have an ideal to admire. For the KnightInShiningArmor, the secret will probably come out about the same time he rightfully earns his knighthood status and the former dark knight will have the chance to become either a [[SaintChevalier white knight]] or a villainous Black Knight.
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* In ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' Brienne of Tarth isn't allowed to be a knight because she's a woman, but she fights and acts like knights are supposed to act better than most of the real ones. This has gained her, on the whole, very little respect. It's also strongly implied that the [[PrecursorHeroes precursor hero]] Dunk of the ''Dunk and Egg'' stories was never actually knighted by his master. given his evasive replies any time that issue come up. Like Brienne, he exhibited the [[KnightInShiningArmor knightly virtues]] more so than many actual knights (there's also some possible GenerationXerox, since there's a suggestion the Brienne may be descended from Dunk [[hottip:*: at one point, she has to choose an alternate coat of arms and uses that off of an old shield she had seen lying around her home. Based on the description of the arms, that would seem to have been Dunk's shield]]).
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* In ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' Brienne of Tarth isn't allowed to be a knight because she's a woman, but she fights and acts like knights are supposed to act better than most of the real ones. This has gained her, on the whole, very little respect. It's also strongly implied that the [[PrecursorHeroes precursor hero]] Dunk of the ''Dunk and Egg'' stories was never actually knighted by his master. master, given his evasive replies any time that issue come up. Like Brienne, he exhibited the [[KnightInShiningArmor knightly virtues]] more so than many actual knights (there's also some possible GenerationXerox, since there's a suggestion the Brienne may be descended from Dunk [[hottip:*: at one point, she has to choose an alternate coat of arms and uses that off of an old shield she had seen lying around her home. Based on the description of the arms, that would seem to have been Dunk's shield]]).
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* In ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' Brienne of Tarth isn't allowed to be a knight because she's a woman, but she fights and acts like knights are supposed to act better than most of the real ones. This has gained her, on the whole, very little respect. It's also strongly implied that the [[PrecursorHeroes precursor hero]] Dunk of the ''Dunk and Egg'' stories was never actually knighted by his master. given his evasive replies any time that issue come up. Like Brienne, he exhibited the [[KnightInShiningArmor knightly virtues]] more so than many actual knights (there's also some possible GenerationXerox, since there's a suggestion the Brienne may be descended from Dunk [[hottip:*: at one point, she has to choose an alternate coat of arms and uses that off of an old shield she had seen lying around her home. Based on the description of the arms, that would seem to have been Dunk's shield]]).
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* In ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' Brienne of Tarth isn't allowed to be a knight because she's a woman, but she fights and acts like knights are supposed to act better than most of the real ones. This has gained her, on the whole, very little respect.