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29th Apr '17 1:47:33 PM nighttrainfm
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* Heimdall in ''Film/{{Thor}}'' is Asgard's resident badass RulesLawyer.

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* Heimdall in ''Film/{{Thor}}'' is Asgard's resident badass RulesLawyer. While he is bound by oath to serve whoever sits on the throne, he's very good at finding excuses to ignore orders he doesn't like.
1st Apr '17 9:07:59 PM DustSnitch
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* In [[Literature/TheFourGospels the New Testament]], the Pharisees are portrayed this way about following the Law of Moses, causing {{Jesus}} to lambaste them for following the letter of the Law but ignoring the spirit of it.

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* In [[Literature/TheFourGospels the New Testament]], the Pharisees are portrayed this way about following the Law of Moses, causing {{Jesus}} UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} to lambaste them for following the letter of the Law but ignoring the spirit of it.
30th Mar '17 10:10:49 AM Someoneman
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** There's [[http://books.google.com/books?id=IopUJv7-_NYC&pg=PA173&dq=%22three+king+circus%22&cd=2#v=onepage&q=%22three%20king%20circus%22&f=false one story]] where a student promoted his pawn to a king because his teacher, George Koltanowski, had forgotten to mention this was illegal. George says he responded by [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome checkmating both kings at once]].

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** There's [[http://books.google.com/books?id=IopUJv7-_NYC&pg=PA173&dq=%22three+king+circus%22&cd=2#v=onepage&q=%22three%20king%20circus%22&f=false one story]] where a student promoted his pawn to a king because his teacher, George Koltanowski, had forgotten to mention this was illegal. George says he responded by [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome checkmating both kings at once]].once.
4th Mar '17 1:07:13 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* ''Webcomic/{{Erfworld}}'' is what happens when a RulesLawyer gets summoned by the denizens of an RPGMechanicsVerse.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Erfworld}}'' is what happens when a RulesLawyer gets summoned by the denizens of an RPGMechanicsVerse. Most of the natives instinctively know and follow the Rules as Intended, but Parson and the few natives creative enough to experiment have figured out that the Rules as Written aren't all that well thought out...
3rd Mar '17 12:23:33 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** The Sisters of Battle are an in-universe example; the Ecclesiarchy is forbidden by law from maintaining men under arms. They decided to maintain women under arms instead.

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** The Sisters of Battle are an in-universe example; the Ecclesiarchy is forbidden by law from maintaining men under arms. They decided to maintain women under arms instead. In some versions of the story everyone involved agreed to the loophole ''before'' deciding on the wording.
28th Feb '17 5:02:49 PM BigKlingy
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* Monokuma in the ''VisualNovel/{{Danganronpa}}'' series has a strict set of rules for his [[TenLittleMurderVictims Killing Game]] that he enforces to the letter, ranging from "No littering" to "No killing more than 3 people at once". This actually gets used against him in the second game's second trial, where Kuzuryu gets himself mortally wounded trying to save the killer from execution. Usami points out that, since the rules state that if the correct person is voted guilty in a trial, they ''alone'' will die, letting Kuzuryu die would be a violation. Due to being a RulesLawyer, Monokuma the sadistic mastermind is forced to save someone's life.
20th Feb '17 12:19:54 PM CaliburnAbsoluteEX
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* Lelouch vi Britannia from ''Anime/CodeGeass'' often applies this to his geass powers (mostly in season 1). Best example (in season 1) would be when he used his Geass on ''himself'' to alter his own memories, so the mind-reader he was fighting wouldn't grasp Lelouch's real plan until it was too late. In season 2 he just outright cheats. or at least this is how he sees it. [[spoiler: He starts commanding people to follow all of his orders. Basically wishing for unlimited wishes]].

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* Lelouch vi Britannia from ''Anime/CodeGeass'' often applies this to his geass Geass powers (mostly in season 1). Best example (in season 1) would be when he used his Geass on ''himself'' to alter his own memories, so the mind-reader he was fighting wouldn't grasp Lelouch's real plan until it was too late. In season 2 he just outright cheats. or at least this is how he sees it. [[spoiler: He starts commanding people to follow all of his orders. Basically wishing for unlimited wishes]].



** One card ([[ObviousRulePatch before it had its wording changed]]) called Magical Blast is a moderately useful card on its own. It deals damage to your opponent by an amount dictated by how much Spellcasters you have on the field, for a max of 1000 damage in a game where the players start with 8000 life. However you could skip your next draw phase to get the card back into your hand. But if someone wanted to take it by the wording rather than the intent, then it becomes obvious you can do this any time, like right after casting it once, allowing you to do infinite damage (on turn one no less if you draw it and a spellcaster monster) if your opponent doesn't have a way to counter and remove the spell from the game. The errata'd version of the card states that you can only return it to your hand at your draw step (instead of drawing) which is how it was supposed to work.
* Ever played the StarWarsCustomizableCardGame? You need to be a RulesLawyer basically. Make sure to have a calculator ready if someone plays Brainiac.

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** One card ([[ObviousRulePatch before it had its wording changed]]) called Magical Blast is a moderately useful card on its own. It deals damage to your opponent by an amount dictated by how much many Spellcasters you have on the field, for a max of 1000 damage in a game where the players start with 8000 life. However you could skip your next draw phase to get the card back into your hand. But if someone wanted to take it by the wording rather than the intent, then it becomes obvious you can do this any time, like right after casting it once, allowing you to do infinite damage (on turn one no less if you draw it and a spellcaster Spellcaster monster) if your opponent doesn't have a way to counter and remove the spell from the game. The errata'd version of the card states that you can only return it to your hand at your draw step (instead of drawing) which is how it was supposed to work.
* Ever played the StarWarsCustomizableCardGame? TabletopGame/StarWarsCustomizableCardGame? You need ''need'' to be a RulesLawyer basically. Make sure to have a calculator ready if someone plays Brainiac.



* ''TabletopGame/{{Paranoia}}'' encourages this! Theoretically, the rules recommend that the players aren't even supposed to read the rules. If they show any sign that they do, the GM is encouraged to kill their character's current clone (all Paranoia PCs have a series of clones so that they can be allowed to die many times without doing character creation each time). Some of the more successful strategies for manipulating other PCs involve using one's (secret) knowledge of the rules to either manipulate an "ally" into breaking a rule or make ''them'' look like they've read the rules. The rulebook encourages this, as "reading the rules and lying about it" is ''perfectly'' in the spirit of the game.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Paranoia}}'' encourages this! Theoretically, the rules recommend that the players aren't even supposed to read the rules. If they show any sign that they do, the GM is encouraged to kill their character's current clone (all Paranoia PCs [=PCs=] have a series of clones so that they can be allowed to die many times without doing character creation each time). Some of the more successful strategies for manipulating other PCs [=PCs=] involve using one's (secret) knowledge of the rules to either manipulate an "ally" into breaking a rule or make ''them'' look like they've read the rules. The rulebook encourages this, as "reading the rules and lying about it" is ''perfectly'' in the spirit of the game.



** Due to a combination of poor proofreading and [[InsaneTrollLogic lack of common sense on the player's part]], it's fully possible to successfully argue a hilariously long list of crazy rules. Namely, you can argue that Walkers without actual sculpted eyes cannot shoot or "see" things because they have no actual eyes, a model with Rage does not follow its rules because "visible" and "line of sight" are clearly two different terms, and it's perfectly legal to deploy my army on the bookshelf and not on the table. One of the Warhammer40000 army books has a weapon where the player has to draw a line from the gun to the target, and everything along the line is hit... The newer editions explicitly state that it's a straight line, and that it's only 1 mm thick. Naturally, any tournament-level discussion board will devolve into insane rantings the minute new rules come out.

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** Due to a combination of poor proofreading and [[InsaneTrollLogic lack of common sense on the player's part]], it's fully possible to successfully argue a hilariously long list of crazy rules. Namely, you can argue that Walkers without actual sculpted eyes cannot shoot or "see" things because they have no actual eyes, a model with Rage does not follow its rules because "visible" and "line of sight" are clearly two different terms, and it's perfectly legal to deploy my army on the bookshelf and not on the table. One of the Warhammer40000 TabletopGame/Warhammer40000 army books has a weapon where the player has to draw a line from the gun to the target, and everything along the line is hit... The newer editions explicitly state that it's a straight line, and that it's only 1 mm thick. Naturally, any tournament-level discussion board will devolve into insane rantings the minute new rules come out.



** Several supersoldiers were "created" due to the Government and military splicing their DNA with that of Big Boss's DNA. When Snake mentions that such an act is supposed to be banned under international law, Naomi Hunter explains that it is, but they don't apply as they were merely declarations, and not actual treaties.

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** Several supersoldiers super soldiers were "created" due to the Government and military splicing their DNA with that of Big Boss's DNA. When Snake mentions that such an act is supposed to be banned under international law, Naomi Hunter explains that it is, but they don't apply as they were merely declarations, and not actual treaties.



* Dana from ''WesternAnimation/Wayside'' fits this trope to a t.

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* Dana from ''WesternAnimation/Wayside'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Wayside}}'' fits this trope to a t.
6th Feb '17 12:41:18 PM ANTMuddle
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Rules Lawyers come in different flavors ranging from obnoxious to helpful, and including just plain dumb, although the term usually carries a negative connotation. What all versions have in common is a nigh-encyclopedic knowledge of every single aspect of the rules of the system. The difference between the three is largely down to attitude and how they use that knowledge. In brief, Obnoxious Rules Lawyers manipulate the rules to give themselves advantages, Dumb Rules Lawyers will always insist on following the rules even when it's clear it won't work, while Helpful Rules Lawyers play by the rules even if that puts them at a disadvantage, and will even try to use their knowledge to help out someone else.

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Rules Lawyers come in different flavors ranging from obnoxious to helpful, and including just plain dumb, although the term usually carries a negative connotation. What Besides being of any moral alignment at all, what all versions have in common is a nigh-encyclopedic knowledge of every single aspect of the rules of the system. The difference between the three is largely down to attitude and how they use that knowledge. In brief, Obnoxious Rules Lawyers manipulate the rules to give themselves advantages, Dumb Rules Lawyers will always insist on following the rules even when it's clear it won't work, while Helpful Rules Lawyers play by the rules even if that puts them at a disadvantage, and will even try to use their knowledge to help out someone else.
26th Jan '17 9:43:16 PM 20person
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** In late 2009, facing calls for an inquiry on Canadian involvement in torture in Afghanistan, questions about the economy and a bunch of other issues, he did it '''again''' (having gotten away with it the first time), claiming it was because of the Olympics distracting everyone (although the government seemed to manage okay the last time the country hosted the Games). The motion of no-confidence was successfully held and the parliament dissolved- ''[[TheChessmaster only for Harper's party to gain more seats]]''.

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** In late 2009, facing calls for an inquiry on Canadian involvement in torture in Afghanistan, questions about the economy and a bunch of other issues, he did it '''again''' (having gotten away with it the first time), claiming it was because of the Olympics distracting everyone (although the government seemed to manage okay the last time the country hosted the Games). The motion of no-confidence was successfully held and the parliament dissolved- ''[[TheChessmaster only [[TheChessmaster His eventual reward for Harper's party to gain more seats]]''.all this rules-lawyering? A majority government]].
9th Dec '16 10:49:13 PM iroanxi
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* In ''FanFic/ThisBites'', this is played right into the ground during the Davy Back Fight, especially Cross's insistence that Soundbite and Lassoo are full-fledged crew members so that Foxy can't get all three of them in the same round.
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