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20th Aug '16 2:29:48 PM Euodiachloris
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** The family has just become too used to being pampered and in power over generations, and each successive one has become a little more [[DeadlyDecedentCourt backstabby, corrupt and decadent]] until ''finally'' people start to notice the extent of what has become a huge problem.

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** The family has just become too used to being pampered and in power over generations, and each successive one has become a little more [[DeadlyDecedentCourt [[DeadlyDecadentCourt backstabby, corrupt and decadent]] until ''finally'' people start to notice the extent of what has become a huge problem.
20th Aug '16 2:26:29 PM Euodiachloris
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** The family has just become too used to being pampered and in power over generations, and each successive one has become a little more corrupt and decadent until finally people have started to notice the extent of what has become a huge problem.
** The culture actually ''expects'' its rulers to be "divinely touched" and requires the king or high priest to be at least a little crazy, particularly in theocracies with a MadOracle tradition or another culture with a particularly notable flavour of the DivineRightOfKings idea behind them -- say a line of [[GodEmperor God Emperors]] where rampant megalomania and other quirks are considered just part and parcel of the RoyaltySuperPower package. Not being weird enough might disqualify you, so you'd better learn to be nuts.
** The culture itself is so hard on its rulers that not being [[PragmaticVillainy paranoid and vicious]] means your reign will be measured in months... if you're lucky. In this case, you only look insane to cultures outside your own; within your own realm, [[ProperlyParanoid madness is just a survival strategy]].
** The very way the royal kids are raised becomes severely detrimental to their sanity. Bring them up to specifically become [[ShelteredAristocrat sheltered]], [[EntitledBastard entitled]], [[MoralMyopia morally myopic]], [[LackOfEmpathy empathy-free]] {{Royal Brat}}s and [[TheCaligula Caligulas]] are ''exactly'' what you'll get when they hit majority. Be it by accident or design.

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** The family has just become too used to being pampered and in power over generations, and each successive one has become a little more [[DeadlyDecedentCourt backstabby, corrupt and decadent decadent]] until finally ''finally'' people have started start to notice the extent of what has become a huge problem.
** The culture actually ''expects'' its rulers to be "divinely touched" and requires the king or high priest to be at least a little crazy, particularly in theocracies with a MadOracle tradition or another culture with a particularly notable flavour of the DivineRightOfKings idea behind them -- say a line of [[GodEmperor God Emperors]] where rampant megalomania and other quirks are considered just part and parcel of the RoyaltySuperPower package. Not being weird enough might even disqualify you, so you'd better [[ObfuscatingInsanity learn to be nuts.
nuts]] at the very least. [[BecomingTheMask Comes with risks attached]], however.
** The culture itself is so hard on its rulers that not being [[PragmaticVillainy paranoid and vicious]] means your reign will be measured in months... if you're lucky. In this case, you only look insane to cultures or classes outside your own; within your own realm, palace, [[ProperlyParanoid madness madness]] is just a [[HadToBeSharp survival strategy]].
** The very way the royal kids are raised becomes severely detrimental to their sanity. Bring them up to specifically become [[ShelteredAristocrat sheltered]], [[EntitledBastard entitled]], [[MoralMyopia morally myopic]], [[LackOfEmpathy empathy-free]] {{Royal Brat}}s and [[TheCaligula Caligulas]] are ''exactly'' almost ''inevitably'' what you'll get when they hit majority. Be it by accident or design.



** Disease. Specifically, something like syphilis; it's an STD, so it would get passed around the court, it causes madness if untreated, and the first generally effective treatment wasn't discovered until the 20th century: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsphenamine Salvarsan]]. This links back to the heavy-metal poisoning: the common treatment before Salvarsan was ''mercury'', and while that sometimes worked it also ran the risk of driving the patient a different kind of mad through mercury poisoning. Fun fact: it can and has inserted its DNA into the human genome, just for that extra InTheBlood sparkle you might be looking for.

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** Disease. Specifically, something like syphilis; it's an STD, so it would get passed around the court, it causes madness if untreated, and the first generally effective treatment wasn't discovered until the 20th century: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsphenamine Salvarsan]]. This links back to the heavy-metal poisoning: the common treatment before Salvarsan was ''mercury'', and while that sometimes worked it also ran the risk of driving the patient a different kind of mad through mercury poisoning. Fun fact: it syphilis can and has (and has) inserted its DNA into the human genome, just for that extra InTheBlood sparkle you might be looking for.
7th Aug '16 10:38:18 PM Euodiachloris
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** The very way the royal kids are raised becomes severely detrimental to their sanity. Bring them up to specifically become sheltered, [[MoralMyopia morally myopic]], [[LackOfEmpathy empathy-free]] {{Royal Brat}}s and [[TheCaligula Caligulas]] are exactly what you'll get when they hit majority.

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** The very way the royal kids are raised becomes severely detrimental to their sanity. Bring them up to specifically become sheltered, [[ShelteredAristocrat sheltered]], [[EntitledBastard entitled]], [[MoralMyopia morally myopic]], [[LackOfEmpathy empathy-free]] {{Royal Brat}}s and [[TheCaligula Caligulas]] are exactly ''exactly'' what you'll get when they hit majority.majority. Be it by accident or design.
31st Jul '16 12:34:13 AM SSJMagus
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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Taish%C5%8D Emperor Yoshihito/Taisho]] of Japan, due to a combination of inbreeding and a bout of meningitis that he suffered when he was weeks old and probably left him brain-damaged, was known for bizarre behavior in his later years. During a parade, he reportedly hopped off the royal float and hugged a random trumpet player in the accompanying band, and also behaved rather weirdly during the inaguration of the Japanese Parliament in 1913. As a result, he was kept out of view of the public as much as possible.

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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Taish%C5%8D org/wiki/Emperor_Taisho Emperor Yoshihito/Taisho]] of Japan, due to a combination of inbreeding and a bout of meningitis that he suffered when he was weeks old and probably left him brain-damaged, was known for bizarre behavior in his later years. During a parade, he reportedly hopped off the royal float and hugged a random trumpet player in the accompanying band, and also behaved rather weirdly during the inaguration of the Japanese Parliament in 1913. As a result, he was kept out of view of the public as much as possible.
31st Jul '16 12:31:04 AM SSJMagus
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* The House of Saud, the rulers of Saudi Arabia. Leaving aside how they treat their own people, subjecting them to one of the harshest forms of Sharia law on Earth, with beheadings and crucifixions as common punishment, their personal behaviour often beggars belief, with accusations ranging from murder, rape, drug smuggling and mutilating a maid. As well as this, branches of the family are allegedly linked to terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda and ISIL, and most recently they've been accused of war crimes and attempted ethnic cleansing in Yemen.

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* The House of Saud, the rulers of Saudi Arabia. Leaving aside how they treat their own people, subjecting them to one of the harshest forms of Sharia law on Earth, with beheadings and crucifixions as common punishment, their personal behaviour often beggars belief, with accusations ranging from murder, rape, drug smuggling and mutilating a maid. As well as this, branches of the family are allegedly linked to terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda and ISIL, and most recently they've been accused of war crimes and attempted ethnic cleansing in Yemen. Their somewhat peculiar line of secession ([[UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud Ibn Saud]]'s ''many'' sons ''all'' being placed before his grandsons) that all but guarantees repeated brief reigns by elderly kings doesn't particularly lend itself to stability either.
27th Jul '16 8:53:03 PM Euodiachloris
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** ''All'' Habsburg lines tended to lead back to "Juana la Loca", a.k.a. Queen Joanna the Mad of Aragon and Castille...over and over. It's debatable how mad she actually was and how much of that was genetic versus how much was induced by grief and mistreatment after the death of [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage her husband]] Philip the Handsome. Witnesses who weren't paid by the rivals to her throne[[note]]Yes, ''her'' throne: technically, she inherited it from her mother, Isabella, and was full queen in her own right, a fact that annoyed her father, husband, and son in turn, as they strove to prevent her from asserting her authority by grabbing it for themselves. Phillip did insert himself as the defacto "coruler" with more clout, but he wasn't a total dick about it, as the major reason was to keep his father-in-law out of his and his wife's business. Which Ferdinand kept trying to meddle in, despite "husband" traditionally trumping "father" in the Control the Damsel game.[[/note]] contested the incidents claimed as the most serious evidence of her insanity, such as repeatedly reopening her dead husband's casket. She probably did have some form of hereditary depression, but her purported "madness" was worst when [[MadwomanInTheAttic she was locked up in a nunnery]] by her own father, Ferdinand -- visitors (particularly outside witnesses) strongly discouraged. Her son Carlos I/Charles V had to be told to treat his poor mother better ''as a condition for election as [[HolyRomanEmpire Holy Roman Emperor]]''.[[note]]Yes, this is ''that'' Charles V. The one who might have been ruler of all Europe (save England and France) had it not been for the emergence of Protestantism. That one.[[/note]] Her deplorably neglectful living conditions were quite the open secret and scandal at the time.

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** ''All'' Habsburg lines tended to lead back to "Juana la Loca", a.k.a. Queen Joanna the Mad of Aragon and Castille...over and over. It's debatable how mad she actually was and how much of that was genetic versus how much was induced by grief and mistreatment after the death of [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage her husband]] Philip the Handsome. Witnesses who weren't paid by the rivals to her throne[[note]]Yes, ''her'' throne: technically, she inherited it from her mother, Isabella, and was full queen in her own right, a fact that annoyed her father, husband, and son in turn, as they strove to prevent her from asserting her authority by grabbing it for themselves. Phillip did insert himself as the defacto "coruler" with more clout, but he wasn't a total dick about it, as the major reason was to keep his father-in-law out of his and his wife's business. Which Ferdinand kept trying to meddle in, despite "husband" traditionally trumping "father" in the Control the Damsel game.[[/note]] contested the incidents claimed as the most serious evidence of her insanity, such as repeatedly reopening her dead husband's casket. She probably did have some form of hereditary depression, but her purported "madness" was worst when [[MadwomanInTheAttic she was locked up in a nunnery]] by her own father, Ferdinand Ferdinand, upon her political and military defeats after attempting to prize his claws off her throne after her husband's death -- visitors (particularly outside witnesses) strongly discouraged. Her son son, Carlos I/Charles V V, later had to be told to treat his poor mother better ''as a condition for election as [[HolyRomanEmpire Holy Roman Emperor]]''.[[note]]Yes, this is ''that'' Charles V. The one who might have been ruler of all Europe (save England and France) had it not been for the emergence of Protestantism. That one.[[/note]] Her deplorably neglectful living conditions were quite the open secret and scandal at the time.
27th Jul '16 8:27:36 PM Euodiachloris
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** ''All'' Habsburg lines tended to lead back to "Juana la Loca", a.k.a. Queen Joanna the Mad of Aragon and Castille...over and over. It's debatable how mad she actually was and how much of that was genetic versus how much was induced by grief and mistreatment after the death of [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage her husband]] Philip the Handsome. Witnesses who weren't paid by the rivals to her throne[[note]]Yes, ''her'' throne: technically, she inherited it from her mother, Isabella, and was full queen in her own right, a fact that annoyed her father, husband, and son in turn, as they strove to prevent her from asserting her authority by grabbing it for themselves. Phillip did insert himself as the defacto "coruler" with more clout, but he wasn't a total dick about it.[[/note]] contested the incidents claimed as the most serious evidence of her insanity, such as repeatedly reopening her dead husband's casket. She probably did have some form of hereditary depression, but her purported "madness" was worst when [[MadwomanInTheAttic she was locked up in a nunnery]] by her own father, Ferdinand -- visitors (particularly outside witnesses) strongly discouraged. Her son Carlos I/Charles V had to be told to treat his poor mother better ''as a condition for election as [[HolyRomanEmpire Holy Roman Emperor]]''.[[note]]Yes, this is ''that'' Charles V. The one who might have been ruler of all Europe (save England and France) had it not been for the emergence of Protestantism. That one.[[/note]] Her deplorably neglectful living conditions were quite the open secret and scandal at the time.

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** ''All'' Habsburg lines tended to lead back to "Juana la Loca", a.k.a. Queen Joanna the Mad of Aragon and Castille...over and over. It's debatable how mad she actually was and how much of that was genetic versus how much was induced by grief and mistreatment after the death of [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage her husband]] Philip the Handsome. Witnesses who weren't paid by the rivals to her throne[[note]]Yes, ''her'' throne: technically, she inherited it from her mother, Isabella, and was full queen in her own right, a fact that annoyed her father, husband, and son in turn, as they strove to prevent her from asserting her authority by grabbing it for themselves. Phillip did insert himself as the defacto "coruler" with more clout, but he wasn't a total dick about it.it, as the major reason was to keep his father-in-law out of his and his wife's business. Which Ferdinand kept trying to meddle in, despite "husband" traditionally trumping "father" in the Control the Damsel game.[[/note]] contested the incidents claimed as the most serious evidence of her insanity, such as repeatedly reopening her dead husband's casket. She probably did have some form of hereditary depression, but her purported "madness" was worst when [[MadwomanInTheAttic she was locked up in a nunnery]] by her own father, Ferdinand -- visitors (particularly outside witnesses) strongly discouraged. Her son Carlos I/Charles V had to be told to treat his poor mother better ''as a condition for election as [[HolyRomanEmpire Holy Roman Emperor]]''.[[note]]Yes, this is ''that'' Charles V. The one who might have been ruler of all Europe (save England and France) had it not been for the emergence of Protestantism. That one.[[/note]] Her deplorably neglectful living conditions were quite the open secret and scandal at the time.
27th Jul '16 7:45:05 PM Euodiachloris
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** ''All'' Habsburg lines tended to lead back to "Juana la Loca", a.k.a. Queen Joanna the Mad of Aragon and Castille...over and over. It's debatable how mad she actually was and how much of that was genetic versus how much was induced by grief and mistreatment after the death of [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage her husband]] Philip the Handsome. Witnesses who weren't paid by the rivals to her throne[[note]]Yes, ''her'' throne: technically, she inherited it from her mother, Isabella, and was full queen in her own right, a fact that annoyed her father, husband, and son in turn, as they strove to prevent her from asserting her authority by grabbing it for themselves.[[/note]] contested the incidents claimed as the most serious evidence of her insanity, such as repeatedly reopening her dead husband's casket. She probably did have some form of hereditary depression, but her purported "madness" was worst when [[MadwomanInTheAttic she was locked up in a nunnery]] by her own father, Ferdinand -- visitors (particularly outside witnesses) strongly discouraged. Her son Carlos I/Charles V had to be told to treat his poor mother better ''as a condition for election as [[HolyRomanEmpire Holy Roman Emperor]]''.[[note]]Yes, this is ''that'' Charles V. The one who might have been ruler of all Europe (save England and France) had it not been for the emergence of Protestantism. That one.[[/note]] Her deplorably neglectful living conditions were quite the open secret and scandal at the time.

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** ''All'' Habsburg lines tended to lead back to "Juana la Loca", a.k.a. Queen Joanna the Mad of Aragon and Castille...over and over. It's debatable how mad she actually was and how much of that was genetic versus how much was induced by grief and mistreatment after the death of [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage her husband]] Philip the Handsome. Witnesses who weren't paid by the rivals to her throne[[note]]Yes, ''her'' throne: technically, she inherited it from her mother, Isabella, and was full queen in her own right, a fact that annoyed her father, husband, and son in turn, as they strove to prevent her from asserting her authority by grabbing it for themselves. Phillip did insert himself as the defacto "coruler" with more clout, but he wasn't a total dick about it.[[/note]] contested the incidents claimed as the most serious evidence of her insanity, such as repeatedly reopening her dead husband's casket. She probably did have some form of hereditary depression, but her purported "madness" was worst when [[MadwomanInTheAttic she was locked up in a nunnery]] by her own father, Ferdinand -- visitors (particularly outside witnesses) strongly discouraged. Her son Carlos I/Charles V had to be told to treat his poor mother better ''as a condition for election as [[HolyRomanEmpire Holy Roman Emperor]]''.[[note]]Yes, this is ''that'' Charles V. The one who might have been ruler of all Europe (save England and France) had it not been for the emergence of Protestantism. That one.[[/note]] Her deplorably neglectful living conditions were quite the open secret and scandal at the time.
27th Jul '16 7:34:55 PM Euodiachloris
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** ''All'' Habsburg lines tended to lead back to "Juana la Loca", a.k.a. Queen Joanna the Mad of Aragon and Castille...over and over. It's debatable how mad she actually was and how much of that was genetic versus how much was induced by grief and mistreatment after the death of [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage her husband]] Philip the Handsome. Witnesses who weren't paid by the rivals to her[[note]]Yes, ''her'' throne: technically, she inherited it from her mother, Isabella, and was full queen in her own right, a fact that annoyed her father, husband, and son in turn, as they strove to prevent her from asserting her authority by grabbing it for themselves.[[/note]] throne contested the incidents claimed as the most serious evidence of her insanity, such as repeatedly reopening her dead husband's casket. She probably did have some form of hereditary depression, but her "madness" was worst when [[MadwomanInTheAttic she was locked up in a nunnery]] by her own father, Ferdinand. Her son Carlos I/Charles V had to be told to treat his poor mother better ''as a condition for election as [[HolyRomanEmpire Holy Roman Emperor]]''. [[note]]Yes, this is ''that'' Charles V. The one who might have been ruler of all Europe (save England and France) had it not been for the emergence of Protestantism. That one.[[/note]]

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** ''All'' Habsburg lines tended to lead back to "Juana la Loca", a.k.a. Queen Joanna the Mad of Aragon and Castille...over and over. It's debatable how mad she actually was and how much of that was genetic versus how much was induced by grief and mistreatment after the death of [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage her husband]] Philip the Handsome. Witnesses who weren't paid by the rivals to her[[note]]Yes, her throne[[note]]Yes, ''her'' throne: technically, she inherited it from her mother, Isabella, and was full queen in her own right, a fact that annoyed her father, husband, and son in turn, as they strove to prevent her from asserting her authority by grabbing it for themselves.[[/note]] throne contested the incidents claimed as the most serious evidence of her insanity, such as repeatedly reopening her dead husband's casket. She probably did have some form of hereditary depression, but her purported "madness" was worst when [[MadwomanInTheAttic she was locked up in a nunnery]] by her own father, Ferdinand.Ferdinand -- visitors (particularly outside witnesses) strongly discouraged. Her son Carlos I/Charles V had to be told to treat his poor mother better ''as a condition for election as [[HolyRomanEmpire Holy Roman Emperor]]''. [[note]]Yes, this is ''that'' Charles V. The one who might have been ruler of all Europe (save England and France) had it not been for the emergence of Protestantism. That one.[[/note]][[/note]] Her deplorably neglectful living conditions were quite the open secret and scandal at the time.
27th Jul '16 7:23:09 PM Euodiachloris
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** ''All'' Habsburg lines tended to lead back to "Juana la Loca", a.k.a. Queen Joanna the Mad of Aragon and Castille...over and over. It's debatable how mad she actually was and how much of that was genetic versus how much was induced by grief and mistreatment after the death of [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage her husband]] Philip the Handsome. Witnesses who weren't paid by the rivals to her throne contested the incidents claimed as the most serious evidence of her insanity, such as repeatedly reopening her dead husband's casket. (Yes, ''her'' throne: technically she inherited it from her mother Isabella and was a queen in her own right, a fact that annoyed her father, husband, and son in turn, as they strove to prevent her from asserting her authority.) She probably did have some form of hereditary depression but her "madness" was worst when [[MadwomanInTheAttic she was locked up in a nunnery]] by her own father Ferdinand. Her son Carlos I/Charles V had to be told to treat his poor mother better ''as a condition for election as [[HolyRomanEmpire Holy Roman Emperor]]''. [[note]]Yes, this is ''that'' Charles V. The one who might have been ruler of all Europe (save England and France) had it not been for the emergence of Protestantism. That one.[[/note]]

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** ''All'' Habsburg lines tended to lead back to "Juana la Loca", a.k.a. Queen Joanna the Mad of Aragon and Castille...over and over. It's debatable how mad she actually was and how much of that was genetic versus how much was induced by grief and mistreatment after the death of [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage her husband]] Philip the Handsome. Witnesses who weren't paid by the rivals to her[[note]]Yes, ''her'' throne: technically, she inherited it from her mother, Isabella, and was full queen in her own right, a fact that annoyed her father, husband, and son in turn, as they strove to prevent her from asserting her authority by grabbing it for themselves.[[/note]] throne contested the incidents claimed as the most serious evidence of her insanity, such as repeatedly reopening her dead husband's casket. (Yes, ''her'' throne: technically she inherited it from her mother Isabella and was a queen in her own right, a fact that annoyed her father, husband, and son in turn, as they strove to prevent her from asserting her authority.) She probably did have some form of hereditary depression depression, but her "madness" was worst when [[MadwomanInTheAttic she was locked up in a nunnery]] by her own father father, Ferdinand. Her son Carlos I/Charles V had to be told to treat his poor mother better ''as a condition for election as [[HolyRomanEmpire Holy Roman Emperor]]''. [[note]]Yes, this is ''that'' Charles V. The one who might have been ruler of all Europe (save England and France) had it not been for the emergence of Protestantism. That one.[[/note]]



** Not that the Russian royal line needed much help from Queen Vicky. When you've got such kings as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_III_of_Russia Ivan "the Great"]] (yes, he did tonnes; could also start a brutal war over not agreeing with anything any of his brothers liked), [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible Ivan "the Terrible"]] (ye gads, the guy knew how to do crazy: and, ran through wives and children at an impressive rate), or even UsefulNotes/PeterTheGreat (who... very much had his moments of {{Cloudcuckoolander}} bonkers, despite the "Great") in your genetic back pockets, you've got problems. Even UsefulNotes/CatherineTheGreat's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_III_of_Russia husband]] was a little unfortunate to have her as a wife (even though they were both far more German than Russian) -- as she probably killed him. And then there's Catherine's son, Paul, who would exile his officers to Siberia for a misplaced coat button and who was assassinated with his eldest son's more or less tacit consent. No matter what your surname was or who your supposed father was (there are a lot of questions at various points)... the same lesson can be repeatedly found in every Russian linage to hold that throne: don't trust family as they'll probably kill you. Likely on purpose.

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** Not that the Russian royal line needed much help from Queen Vicky. When you've got such kings as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_III_of_Russia Ivan "the Great"]] (yes, he did tonnes; could also start a brutal war over not agreeing with anything any of his brothers liked), [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible Ivan "the Terrible"]] (ye gads, the guy knew how to do crazy: and, ran through wives and children at an impressive rate), or even UsefulNotes/PeterTheGreat (who... very much had his moments of darkly-driven, {{Cloudcuckoolander}} bonkers, despite the "Great") indirectly in your genetic back pockets, you've got problems. Even UsefulNotes/CatherineTheGreat's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_III_of_Russia husband]] was a little unfortunate to have her as a wife (even though they were both far more German than Russian) -- as she probably killed him. And then there's Catherine's son, Paul, who would exile his officers to Siberia for a misplaced coat button and who was assassinated with his eldest son's more or less tacit consent. No matter what your surname was or who your supposed father was (there are a lot of questions at various points)... the same lesson can be repeatedly found in every Russian linage to hold that throne: don't trust family as they'll probably kill you. Likely on purpose.
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