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9th Feb '16 6:04:55 AM Alia_of
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* Royal family of trolls in ''Literature/MaledictionTrilogy'', mostly because of 500 years of inbreeding. The father, king Thibault, is morbidly obese, the queen is conjoined with her sister, the younger son Roland is beautiful but stark raving mad. Only prince Tristan seems to be normal - but he is seriously considering [[SelfMadeOrphan murdering his father]] and brother for the higher good.
4th Feb '16 4:31:27 AM Andyroid
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* In ''Anime/SamuraiPizzaCats'', Princess Vi is a selfish, spoiled brat who exiles people to Prisoner Island at the drop of a hat, her mother considers firing a rocket launcher at her daughter an appropriate family greeting, and Emperor Fred... to say he's got a few screws loose would be false as that would imply he's got any screws left.
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* In ''Anime/SamuraiPizzaCats'', Princess Vi is a selfish, spoiled brat who exiles people to Prisoner Island at the drop of a hat, her mother considers firing a rocket launcher at her daughter an appropriate family greeting, and Emperor Fred... to say he's got a few screws loose would be false as that would imply he's got any screws left.

** ''Pyramids'' thankfully manages to avoid this, although it is specifically mentioned that the BigBad had intended to wed the protagonist with his aunt in order to keep the royal line [[PureIsNotGood "pure"]]. ** Played utterly straight when one book describes the lineage of kings in other Discworldian cities, and cites the last King of Quirm as having been so inbred he repeatedly tried to mate with himself.
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** ''Pyramids'' ''Discworld/{{Pyramids}}'' thankfully manages to avoid this, although it is specifically mentioned that the BigBad had intended to wed the protagonist with his aunt in order to keep the royal line [[PureIsNotGood "pure"]]. ** Played utterly straight when one book describes the lineage of kings in other Discworldian cities, Discworld city-states, and cites the last King of Quirm as having been so inbred he repeatedly tried to mate with himself.

* Candy Kingdom Law, in ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', is "complicated," according to Princess Bubblegum. In the event that anything should happen to PB, who inherits the throne? Her maladjusted, overly-sensitive, socially awkward, most likely brain-damaged, insensitive, angry, sour-tempered, alienated son/science experiment gone wrong, Lemongrab. Arguably, Lemongrab is a pretty sympathetic example of this trope--he obviously has an... ahem, a delicate condition, but that doesn't stop everyone from despising his guts for being a JerkAss most of the time and sending everyone to the dungeon for a million years. But why stop there? When the princess realizes her errors, she must create a second heir. This time, she brings her own DNA into the equation in an attempt to stabilize the formula. Enter the giant, pink, infantile being Goliad. Princess Bubblegum wants to educate her in all the ways of royalty and leadership and Finn and Jake are tasked to teach her. However, Goliad's "mondo mama brains" have an extreme imprint. Just seeing Jake yell at a group of preschoolers in order to keep them quiet send her into an authoritarian state in which everyone is forced to follow her rules. Then Goliad pulls out her ThirdEye and begins to control the citizens of the Candy Kingdom with mind control and telekinesis. If not for [[spoiler: Stormo, a being created by Finn's DNA]], the kingdom would have fallen.
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* Candy Kingdom Law, in ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', is "complicated," according to Princess Bubblegum. In the event that anything should happen to PB, who inherits the throne? Her maladjusted, overly-sensitive, socially awkward, most likely brain-damaged, insensitive, angry, sour-tempered, alienated son/science experiment gone wrong, the Earl of Lemongrab. Arguably, Lemongrab is a pretty sympathetic example of this trope--he obviously has an... ahem, a a... [[AmbiguousDisorder delicate condition, condition]], but that doesn't stop everyone from despising his guts for being a JerkAss most of the time and sending everyone to the dungeon for a million years. But why stop there? When the princess realizes her errors, she must create a second heir. This time, she brings her own DNA into the equation in an attempt to stabilize the formula. Enter the giant, pink, infantile being Goliad. Princess Bubblegum wants to educate her in all the ways of royalty and leadership and Finn and Jake are tasked to teach her. However, Goliad's "mondo mama brains" have an extreme imprint. Just seeing Jake yell at a group of preschoolers in order to keep them quiet send her into an authoritarian state in which everyone is forced to follow her rules. Then Goliad pulls out her ThirdEye and begins to control the citizens of the Candy Kingdom with mind control and telekinesis. If not for [[spoiler: Stormo, a being created by Finn's DNA]], the kingdom would have fallen.
27th Jan '16 5:46:12 PM Euodiachloris
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** The culture actually ''expects'' its rulers to be "divinely touched" and requires the king or high priest to be at least a little crazy, particularly in theocracies with a MadOracle tradition or another culture with a particularly notable flavour of the divine right of kings idea behind them -- say a line of [[GodEmperor God Emperors]] where rampant megalomania is considered part of the normal package.
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** The culture actually ''expects'' its rulers to be "divinely touched" and requires the king or high priest to be at least a little crazy, particularly in theocracies with a MadOracle tradition or another culture with a particularly notable flavour of the divine right of kings idea behind them -- say a line of [[GodEmperor God Emperors]] where rampant megalomania is and other quirks are considered just part and parcel of the normal package.RoyaltySuperPower package. Not being weird enough might disqualify you, so you'd better learn to be nuts.
24th Jan '16 10:59:29 AM nombretomado
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* MarvelUniverse character of antiquity [[{{Sub-Mariner}} Namor the Sub-Mariner]] is both an example and a subversion. By all accounts, he rules the kingdom of Atlantis relatively well. However, he is also provably crazy: his unique Atlantean/Human physiology means that he requires both air and water to function properly, and if he goes too long without one or the other, his body chemistry drives him towards excessive rage and dangerous short-sightedness; a very dangerous thing indeed in someone strong enough to fight the Hulk to a standstill.
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* MarvelUniverse character of antiquity [[{{Sub-Mariner}} [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor the Sub-Mariner]] is both an example and a subversion. By all accounts, he rules the kingdom of Atlantis relatively well. However, he is also provably crazy: his unique Atlantean/Human physiology means that he requires both air and water to function properly, and if he goes too long without one or the other, his body chemistry drives him towards excessive rage and dangerous short-sightedness; a very dangerous thing indeed in someone strong enough to fight the Hulk to a standstill.
23rd Jan '16 4:07:32 PM Euodiachloris
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* Genetics: It's InTheBlood in the completely literal, scientific and strictly genetic sense. Often, that means [[RoyalInbreeding excessive inbreeding]], sometimes ''very'' excessive. The initial problem maybe wasn't inbreeding, but some genetic damage caused by an outside source that then becomes intensified and cemented into the royal line after the fact either through deliberate inbreeding or the sheer bad luck of not understanding biology when selecting mates. In any case, the family just has a crazy streak that's now inbuilt, and you're not getting rid of it unless your society is advanced enough to have genetic engineering (or a magical equivalent thereof) to deal with the problem. Or, becomes egalitarian enough for the high nobility to stop marrying each other so much. That last bit ought to help. Eventually. ** [[LamarckWasRight Moral Lamarckism]] is the classic magical version. The moral failings of your forebears express themselves in a taint on your own soul, like a kind of spiritual gene. Functionally, there isn't much difference. * [[{{Curse}} Family Curse]]: Arguably, this is worse than a crappy genetic surprise. Someone has cursed the royal line somehow. This can easily be a lot nastier to deal with than the problem of bad genes, because even if you're careful about avoiding the inbreeding and selecting for brains and/or skill, the curse doesn't care. It may even spread out to people who marry into the royal line and cause them to go mad even though they're only family by marriage, not by blood. It also means that you might not solve the problem by just picking a new family to rule over you -- they're likely to get swatted by the curse just as soon as they take power. Obviously, to fix this you need to figure out who or what cursed the royal family and why, and deal with it by whatever means necessary. You could try jumping straight to a parliamentary system and see how the curse deals with having hundreds of "rulers", but you'd better hope it just doesn't spread out to cover them all, or it will make your old problem seem ''laughably'' trivial by comparison.
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* Genetics: It's InTheBlood in the completely literal, scientific biological and strictly genetic sense. Often, that means [[RoyalInbreeding excessive inbreeding]], sometimes ''very'' excessive. The initial problem maybe wasn't inbreeding, but some genetic damage caused by an outside source that then becomes intensified and cemented into the royal line after the fact either through deliberate inbreeding or the sheer bad luck of not understanding biology when selecting mates. In any case, the family just has a crazy streak that's now inbuilt, and you're not getting rid of it unless your society is advanced enough to have genetic engineering (or a magical equivalent thereof) to deal with the problem. Or, becomes egalitarian enough for the high nobility to stop marrying each other so much. That last bit ought to help. Eventually. ** [[LamarckWasRight Moral Lamarckism]] is the classic classical, magical version. The moral failings of your forebears express themselves in a taint on your own soul, soul or karmic bank balance, like a kind of spiritual gene. Functionally, there isn't much difference. * [[{{Curse}} Family Curse]]: Arguably, this is worse than a crappy genetic surprise. Someone Someone, or something, has cursed the royal line line, somehow. This can easily be a lot nastier to deal with than the problem of bad physical or moral genes, because even if you're careful about avoiding the inbreeding and selecting for brains brains, upstanding habits and/or skill, governing skills, the curse really doesn't care. It may even spread out to people who marry into the royal line and cause them to go mad even though they're only family by marriage, not by blood. It also means that you might not solve the problem by just picking a new family to rule over you -- they're likely to get swatted by the curse just as soon as they take power. Obviously, to fix this you need to figure out who or what cursed the royal family and why, and deal with it by whatever means necessary. You could try jumping straight to a parliamentary system and see how the curse deals with having hundreds of "rulers", but you'd better hope it just doesn't spread out to cover them all, or it will make your old problem seem ''laughably'' trivial by comparison.

* Cultural: The madness is the product of nurture, not nature; which means exiled princes will be fine, at least for the first generation. If they don't change the culture that produced the madness, it will return, however. Possible reasons include:
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* Cultural: The madness is the product of nurture, not nature; which means turning to exiled princes will be fine, at least for the first generation. If they people don't change the culture that produced the madness, it will return, however. Possible reasons include:

** The culture actually ''expects'' its rulers to be "divinely touched" and requires the king or high priest to be at least a little crazy, particularly in theocracies with a MadOracle tradition or another culture with a particularly fey flavour of the divine right of kings idea behind them.
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** The culture actually ''expects'' its rulers to be "divinely touched" and requires the king or high priest to be at least a little crazy, particularly in theocracies with a MadOracle tradition or another culture with a particularly fey notable flavour of the divine right of kings idea behind them.them -- say a line of [[GodEmperor God Emperors]] where rampant megalomania is considered part of the normal package.
23rd Jan '16 3:03:48 PM Euodiachloris
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** One variant of this is a spiritual imbalance brought on by upsetting the planetary equilibrium. This works just like a curse, but is the result of natural processes rather than deliberate magic.
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** One variant of this is a spiritual or moral imbalance brought on by upsetting the planetary equilibrium.or universal equilibrium or law in some way. This works just like a curse, but is the result of natural processes rather than deliberate magic.

** The family has just become too used to being pampered and in power, and each successive generation gets a little more corrupt and decadent until finally people started to notice the extent of what is now a problem. ** The culture actually ''expects'' its rulers to be "divinely touched" and requires the king to be at least a little crazy. ** The culture itself is so hard on its rulers that not being [[PragmaticVillainy paranoid and vicious]] means your reign will be measured in months, if you're lucky. In this case, you only look insane to cultures outside your own; within your own realm, [[ProperlyParanoid madness is just a survival strategy]].
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** The family has just become too used to being pampered and in power, power over generations, and each successive generation gets one has become a little more corrupt and decadent until finally people have started to notice the extent of what is now has become a huge problem. ** The culture actually ''expects'' its rulers to be "divinely touched" and requires the king or high priest to be at least a little crazy. crazy, particularly in theocracies with a MadOracle tradition or another culture with a particularly fey flavour of the divine right of kings idea behind them. ** The culture itself is so hard on its rulers that not being [[PragmaticVillainy paranoid and vicious]] means your reign will be measured in months, months... if you're lucky. In this case, you only look insane to cultures outside your own; within your own realm, [[ProperlyParanoid madness is just a survival strategy]].

** Heavy metal poisoning, especially lead. Seriously; it's a fashion at the moment for forensic archaeologists to imply this as the cause of most of the [[TruthInTelevision real world cases]] of mad monarchs 1500-1815, the source primarily being lead makeup. There were a few reasons for this: lead makes for an easily applied and very white pigment... which aristocrats loved to whiten their skin with to emphasis how little outside work they had to undertake, as well as not to look sweaty or smell so bad (lead pigments also can act to some extent as deodorants). These same aristocrats stopped using makeup from about 1815-1920 for fashion and decency reasons (moral decency, that is); not coincidentally, the incidence of insanity among them dropped, although they weren't entirely clear on why at the time). Although lead in the booze and water (more from the lead used in distilling equipment and pipework than the relatively negligible amounts leached from the crystal glasses) has also been implicated.[[note]]More recently, the higher crime rates in the West and particularly the US 1960-1990 have been attributed to lead poisoning, from leaded gasoline and lead paint. "Lead is bad news" holds for everyone, evidently.[[/note]] *** There's also a fact that for most of the Classical Antiquity and Middle Ages the lead acetate was known as "sugar of lead" and thought to be a great sweetener: it's cheap, easy to produce and much sweeter than the other alternatives. In was widely used in winemaking, and given that for much of the period the preference was for a sweet, syrupy wines, it exposed the wine drinkers for far worse doses of lead than any lead plumbing could. *** Until the trade with India really picked up at the height of the Roman Republic, and cane sugar started to be imported, about the only sweeteners known in the Europe were honey and must the boiled over grape juice: the juice of the sweet, ripe grapes is rich in glucose, and boiling it over concentrated the sugar first into the syrupy'' defrutum'', and then into the molasses-like ''sapa''. Given the Romans penchant for the lead utensils, one shouldn't be surprized that they widely used lead-soldered, lead-plated ot just plain lead cauldrons to do so, which exposed a lot of lead to the acidic grape juice, leading to formation of the aforementioned lead acetate as well as lead malate, lead ascorbate enad other lead salts that naturally went right into the syrup. In fact, the lead acetate probably got ins common name, "sugar of lead", because someone tasted the whitish crystals that formed on the rim of ther defrutum making pot.
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** Heavy metal poisoning, especially lead. (If you're looking for others to shake things up, however; antimony, mercury and arsenic are places to look: they've also had effects.) Seriously; it's a fashion at the moment for forensic archaeologists to imply this as the cause of most of the [[TruthInTelevision real world cases]] of mad monarchs 1500-1815, the source primarily being lead makeup. There were a few reasons for this: lead makes for an easily applied and very white pigment... which aristocrats loved to whiten their skin with to emphasis how little outside work they had to undertake, as well as not to look sweaty or smell so bad (lead pigments also can act to some extent as deodorants). These same aristocrats stopped using makeup from about 1815-1920 for fashion and decency reasons (moral decency, that is); not coincidentally, the incidence of insanity among them dropped, although they weren't entirely clear on why at the time). Although lead in the booze and water (more from the lead used in distilling equipment and pipework than the relatively negligible amounts leached from the crystal glasses) has also been implicated.[[note]]More recently, the higher crime rates in the West and particularly the US 1960-1990 have been attributed to lead poisoning, from leaded gasoline and lead paint. "Lead is bad news" holds for everyone, evidently.[[/note]] *** There's also a fact that for most of the Classical Antiquity and Middle Ages the lead acetate was known as "sugar of lead" and thought to be a great sweetener: it's cheap, easy to produce and much sweeter than the other alternatives. In was widely used in winemaking, and given that for much of the period the preference was for a sweet, syrupy wines, it exposed the wine drinkers for to far worse doses of lead than any lead plumbing could. *** Until the trade with India really picked up at the height of the Roman Republic, and cane sugar started to be imported, about the only sweeteners known in the Europe were honey and must the boiled over aka "boiled-up grape juice: juice": the juice of the sweet, ripe grapes is rich in glucose, and boiling it over the water off a lot concentrated the sugar sugar; first into the syrupy'' defrutum'', and then into the molasses-like ''sapa''. Given the Romans penchant for the lead utensils, utensils at every stage, one shouldn't be surprized surprised that they widely used lead-soldered, lead-plated ot just plain lead cauldrons to do so, which exposed a lot of lead to the acidic grape juice, leading to formation of the aforementioned lead acetate as well as lead malate, lead ascorbate enad and other lead salts that naturally went right into the syrup. In fact, the lead acetate probably got ins its common name, "sugar of lead", because someone tasted the whitish crystals that formed on the rim of ther defrutum making their defrutum-making pot.
16th Jan '16 9:36:13 PM karstovich2
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[-[[caption-width-right:341:[[TruthInTelevision Charles II "The Bewitched" of Spain]]. Most people have family trees. This guy had a [[TangledFamilyTree family tumbleweed]]. Yes, that ''is'' his tongue poking vertically out of his mouth, and yes his lower jaw ''really did'' jut out that far, and yes his nose really was that messed up.]]-]
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[-[[caption-width-right:341:[[TruthInTelevision Charles II "The Bewitched" of Spain]]. Most people have family trees. This guy had a [[TangledFamilyTree family tumbleweed]]. Yes, that ''is'' his tongue poking vertically out of his mouth, and yes his lower jaw ''really did'' jut out that far, and yes his nose really was ''really was'' that messed up.up. Also, this is a ''flattering'' portrait.]]-]
16th Jan '16 9:30:40 PM karstovich2
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[-[[caption-width-right:341:[[TruthInTelevision Charles II "The Bewitched" of Spain]]. Most people have family trees. This guy had a [[TangledFamilyTree family tumbleweed]]. Yes, that ''is'' his tongue poking vertically out of his mouth.]]-]
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[-[[caption-width-right:341:[[TruthInTelevision Charles II "The Bewitched" of Spain]]. Most people have family trees. This guy had a [[TangledFamilyTree family tumbleweed]]. Yes, that ''is'' his tongue poking vertically out of his mouth.mouth, and yes his lower jaw ''really did'' jut out that far, and yes his nose really was that messed up.]]-]
16th Jan '16 9:29:20 PM karstovich2
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[-[[caption-width-right:341:[[TruthInTelevision Charles II "The Bewitched" of Spain]]. Most people have family trees. This guy had a [[TangledFamilyTree family tumbleweed]].]]-]
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[-[[caption-width-right:341:[[TruthInTelevision Charles II "The Bewitched" of Spain]]. Most people have family trees. This guy had a [[TangledFamilyTree family tumbleweed]]. Yes, that ''is'' his tongue poking vertically out of his mouth.]]-]
5th Jan '16 3:38:42 PM YeMightyDespair
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** Technically the [[spoiler: Lannister]] case isn't a single generation; [[spoiler: Jaime and Cersei]] are first generation sibling incest, but their parents were first cousins.
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** Technically the [[spoiler: Lannister]] case isn't a single generation; [[spoiler: Jaime and Cersei]] are first generation sibling incest, but their parents were first cousins. And since no particular fuss is made over that fact, it can be assumed that cousin incest is not uncommon in the Lannister family. [[spoiler: Cersei and Jaime]] were far from the first incestuous pairing in the family, but they were probably the straw that broke the camel's back.
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