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12th Mar '18 11:30:32 AM MackWylde
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Compare HumansAreGood. Contrast HobbesWasRight, HumansAreBastards, and HumansAreTheRealMonsters. See also DefaultToGood, BlankSlate, ConditionedToAcceptHorror, MoreThanMindControl, NurtureOverNature, StockholmSyndrome and ThenLetMeBeEvil.

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Compare HumansAreGood. Contrast HobbesWasRight, HumansAreBastards, and HumansAreTheRealMonsters. See also DefaultToGood, BlankSlate, ConditionedToAcceptHorror, MoreThanMindControl, NurtureOverNature, StockholmSyndrome StockholmSyndrome, WhiteAndGreyMorality, GreyAndGrayMorality, BothSidesHaveAPoint, and ThenLetMeBeEvil.
2nd Mar '18 12:02:08 AM AmmyCharizard17
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** Played out further in ''Film/ManofSteel'', in which Superman has to decide whether to side with his alien race or defend the people of Earth. In the end he chooses Earth due to their potential for kindness and heroism. The biggest example being Lois Lane, who figures out that Superman is Clark Kent but keeps it a secret solely out of altruism.

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** Played out further in ''Film/ManofSteel'', ''[[Film/{{ManofSteel}} Man of Steel]]'', in which Superman has to decide whether to side with his alien race or defend the people of Earth. In the end he chooses Earth due to their potential for kindness and heroism. The biggest example being Lois Lane, who figures out that Superman is Clark Kent but keeps it a secret solely out of altruism.
26th Feb '18 1:24:39 PM redandready45
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* ''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'': Both Jetfire and Wheelie come to embody this. The former defected from the Decepticons after being jaded by the constant wars the Fallen was launching. The latter only worked for the Decepticons out of fear, and was happy to join Sam and his gang.
22nd Feb '18 9:13:48 AM Premonition45
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** Similarly, [[YouBastard even though they spend all their time watching him]], the show's viewers turn out to be decent people. [[spoiler:After Truman finally leaves Seahaven]], [[BigYes they]] ''[[BigYes all]]'' [[BigYes cheer for him]].

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** Similarly, [[YouBastard even though they spend all their time watching him]], the show's viewers turn out to be decent people. [[spoiler:After [[spoiler:When Truman finally leaves Seahaven]], [[BigYes they]] ''[[BigYes all]]'' [[BigYes cheer for him]].
17th Feb '18 10:58:02 AM Stillalive
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* Zigzagged in ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', where some villains ''are'' presented as truly irredeemable, but the overall view of people in general is ultimately rather optimistic. Much emphasis is placed on the fact that the masses are cowed and apathetic only due to mind-numbing propaganda and pressure to conform from the evil authorities, and people flock to the good guys' banners as soon as they present a better alternative to the corrupt status quo. And when the people are given the clearly stated choice between good and evil, the majority eventually choose good.

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* Zigzagged in ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', where some villains ''are'' presented as truly irredeemable, but the overall view of people in general is ultimately rather optimistic. Much emphasis is placed on the fact that the masses are cowed and apathetic only due to mind-numbing propaganda and pressure to conform from the evil authorities, and people flock to the good guys' banners as soon as they present a better alternative to the corrupt status quo. And when the people are given the clearly stated choice between good and evil, the majority eventually choose good. However, this only applies to the people living in Victoria, most or all of which are white heterosexual christians. [[AvertedTrope Other races, creeds and sexual identities are considered]] AlwaysChaoticEvil by the narrative, deserving of being nuked or sold to slavery.
11th Feb '18 5:10:54 AM isoycrazy
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--> '''Scout:''' ''(talking about a book read to her)'' Atticus, he was real nice...
--> '''Atticus:''' Most people are, Scout, when you finally see them.

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--> '''Scout:''' ''(talking about a book read to her)'' Atticus, he was real nice...
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'''Atticus:''' Most people are, Scout, when you finally see them.


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* In ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', no man is so evil, that he is beyond redemption. This is the mentality of the Knights of the Cross, three Paladins who wield the Swords of the Cross, so named for the nails which came from Jesus' Crucifixion. Their primary goal isn't the destruction of their enemies who are possessed by Fallen Angels, but the redemption of those who are ensnared by the lies of the Fallen. One current Knight was a teenager when he was looking for acceptance and became host to a Fallen, but he saw the errors of his ways and rejected the Fallen One. Michael Carpenter, who wields the Sword of Love, holds this true for even the leader of the Fallen, Nicodemus. The man who has been around for about two thousand years, caused plagues, deaths, and whole corruptions of generations of people who have become his loyal fanatics, is held to be not beyond redemption. And for one singular moment [[spoiler:after his quest for the Holy Grail requires him to kill the one person he genuinely loves, his daughter, and realizing what he has given up to attain so little]], it looks like he might turn from evil. However, his pride is not yet broken completely and laughs at the knights trying to make him redeem himself.
29th Jan '18 8:58:32 PM Premonition45
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** Similarly, [[YouBastard even though they spend all their time watching him]], the show's viewers turn out to be decent people. [[spoiler:After Truman finally leaves Seahaven]], [[BigYes they]] ''[[BigYes all]]'' [[BigYes cheer for him]].
27th Dec '17 5:12:16 PM MackWylde
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* This can be said about the villains in all the ''Franchise/ToyStory'' movies.

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* This trope can be said about the villains in all the ''Franchise/ToyStory'' movies.



* Most ''Creator/Pixar'' films are more on WhiteAndGreyMorality most of the time rather that stick to typical ''good vs evil''.

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* Most ''Creator/Pixar'' Creator/Pixar films are more on WhiteAndGreyMorality most of the time rather that stick to typical ''good vs evil''.
27th Dec '17 5:10:42 PM MackWylde
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* With the exception of [[spoiler:[[Monster/{{Disney}} Lots-o'-Huggin' Bear]]]], this can be said about the villains in ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory''.

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* With the exception of [[spoiler:[[Monster/{{Disney}} Lots-o'-Huggin' Bear]]]], this This can be said about the villains in ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory''.all the ''Franchise/ToyStory'' movies.


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* Most ''Creator/Pixar'' films are more on WhiteAndGreyMorality most of the time rather that stick to typical ''good vs evil''.
10th Dec '17 4:11:41 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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** YuGiOhVRAINS might be bleaker and more cynical that the series in the franchise before it, but alongside the original and ''ZEXAL'', this series portrays one of the strongest examples of this trope, considering the villains are more WellIntentionedExtremist 's, the rivals are not the usual jerks but rather complex people with understandable motivations, and Yusaku has a legitimately good reason for his cold-hearted Jerkass attitude.

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** YuGiOhVRAINS ''Anime/YuGiOhVRAINS'' might be bleaker and more cynical that the series in the franchise before it, but alongside the original and ''ZEXAL'', this series portrays one of the strongest examples of this trope, considering the villains are more WellIntentionedExtremist 's, the rivals are not the usual jerks but rather complex people with understandable motivations, and Yusaku has a legitimately good reason for his cold-hearted Jerkass attitude.
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