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3rd Aug '17 11:49:44 PM Argon2
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* In ''VideoGame/Persona5'', this is how "changing someone's heart" works. By going into a person's [[JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind mental landscape]], the protagonists force that person to experience a single moment free of delusion or bias- to see themselves clearly. Because their targets are invariably villainous, and because of this trope, this process always results in the person [[HeelRealization changing who they are]]. They remember who they were before greed/fear/anger corrupted them, and make the choice themselves to become that person again.
30th Jul '17 9:29:22 AM Argon2
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* The ''VisualNovel/FateHollowAtaraxia'' character Souchirou is anti-murder because of his {{Tykebomb}} upbringing, not despite it: having been taught not to value any life, even his own, he therefore attaches no meaning or triumph to fulfilling his murderous purpose. He doesn't mind killing, but he sees it in the same way as normal people see lugging rocks around. He can do it, and maybe even has to sometimes, but why would anyone enjoy it?



* In ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', After Tedd calls out half the school for making fun of Susan when she's the ''only one'' trying to change the uniforms, most of them are quick to apologize, with one saying that "we aren't a Borg Hive Mind." Earlier, when Grace runs out of class (due to not having heard of WWII) and is very embarrassed upon coming back, the other students are quick to offer their condolences over her leading such a sheltered life, and are angry at the people who subjected her to that rather than her. In fact, this comic demonstrates in many places that, with a few exceptions, high school students ''aren't'' [[TeensAreMonsters the bastards that most media would have us believe]]. They're just normal people, with basically good natures.

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* In ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', After after Tedd calls out half the school for making fun of Susan when she's the ''only one'' trying to change the uniforms, most of them are quick to apologize, with one saying that "we aren't a Borg Hive Mind." Earlier, when Grace runs out of class (due to not having heard of WWII) and is very embarrassed upon coming back, the other students are quick to offer their condolences over her leading such a sheltered life, and are angry at the people who subjected her to that rather than her. In fact, this comic demonstrates in many places that, with a few exceptions, high school students ''aren't'' [[TeensAreMonsters the bastards that most media would have us believe]]. They're just normal people, with basically good natures.
29th Jul '17 6:50:44 PM Kartoonkid95
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29th Jul '17 6:49:44 PM Kartoonkid95
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* An anti-hate PSA opens with a scene of babies in a maternity ward, with an announcer saying "Here's one time it doesn't matter who your neighbor is." Then, following a rapid-fire montage of various rallies and demonstrations from the KKK, neo-Nazis, etc., the scene cuts to a graveyard as the announcer says "Here's the other."
-->''"Life's too short. Stop the hate."''
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20th Jul '17 11:38:01 AM MasterofGalaxies4628
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-->-- '''Theatre/TheDiaryOfAnneFrank'''

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[[HanlonsRazor Hanlon's Razor and Grey's Law]] present an interesting related notion: assume an action arises from stupidity or ignorance until it is proven to be intentional evil, and that sufficiently misguided actions are indistinguishable from actual evil (in a similar vein to PoesLaw). Thus, [[AmbiguousInnocence "innocent" and "harmless" are not the same]]: from this viewpoint, it's not so much "KidsAreCruel" as [[ObliviouslyEvil Kids are Obliviously Evil]]. Although it's not truly evil to err or make a mistake without desiring another person to suffer, it's effectively harmful as well. Thus, it can be inferred that, in truth, people being born innocent as we understand infants to be, whether or not they're capable of unwittingly causing harm, and only later being truly evil as a result of corrupting themselves with self-interest and greed, is true in accordance with this trope; for people to cease to value others' well-being for whatever reason, and desire what's worst for others, is the point at which they are evil. Desiring the suffering of another can also be evil in two different ways: people can be actively evil and hate another person (or other people) by desiring that they suffer, or people can be passively evil and not care about others' well-being, which is just as evil.

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[[HanlonsRazor Hanlon's Razor and Grey's Law]] present an interesting related notion: assume an action arises from stupidity or ignorance until it is proven to be intentional evil, and that sufficiently misguided actions are indistinguishable from actual evil (in a similar vein to PoesLaw). Thus, [[AmbiguousInnocence "innocent" and "harmless" are not the same]]: from this viewpoint, it's not so much "KidsAreCruel" as [[ObliviouslyEvil Kids are Obliviously Evil]].Evil]]/[[TheIngenue Kids Are Ingenues]]. Although it's not truly evil to err or make a mistake without desiring another person to suffer, it's effectively harmful as well. Thus, it can be inferred that, in truth, people being born innocent as we understand infants to be, whether or not they're capable of unwittingly causing harm, and only later being truly evil as a result of corrupting themselves with self-interest and greed, is true in accordance with this trope; for people to cease to value others' well-being for whatever reason, and desire what's worst for others, is the point at which they are evil. Desiring the suffering of another can also be evil in two different ways: people can be actively evil and hate another person (or other people) by desiring that they suffer, or people can be passively evil and not care about others' well-being, which is just as evil.
29th Jun '17 11:52:38 PM pvsage
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** Even the EmotionEater Changelings, which are raised evil by their queen, can be redeemed by sharing love and friendship with others. The entire hive transform into more majestic forms and lose their HorrorHunger for love after defeating their queen with a CareBearStare.
11th Jun '17 9:57:29 PM Gamermaster
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* It's not obvious, and indeed seems to be exactly the opposite, but JojosBizarreAdventure tends to follow this rule more than most. The vast majority of enemies encountered in the series are either misguided, rivals rather than villains, a WellIntentionedExtremist, or someone enamored with the ideals that another villain represents. Dio more often than not is the cause of the last, but the supplementary novel that leads up to the [[JoJosBizarreAdventureEyesOfHeaven Eyes of Heaven game]] shows that even Dio, the egomaniacal, vampire with no regard for human life, was at one point a happy child who, despite living in squalor and poverty, lived and loved with all his heart thanks to his mother's influence and care. Sure is a shame about his father being [[CompleteMonster Dario Brando.]] And even if someone starts out as a nigh-murderous antagonist standing in the way of everything the Jojo of the generation stands for, [[DefeatEqualsFriendship punching them in the face a couple dozen times usually seems to fix that.]]

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* It's not obvious, and indeed seems to be exactly the opposite, but JojosBizarreAdventure ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' tends to follow this rule more than most. The vast majority of enemies encountered in the series are either misguided, rivals rather than villains, a WellIntentionedExtremist, or someone enamored with the ideals that another villain represents. Dio more often than not is the cause of the last, but the supplementary novel that leads up to the [[JoJosBizarreAdventureEyesOfHeaven [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureEyesOfHeaven Eyes of Heaven game]] shows that even Dio, the egomaniacal, ego-maniacal, vampire with no regard for human life, was at one point a happy child who, despite living in squalor and poverty, lived and loved with all his heart thanks to his mother's influence and care. Sure is a shame about his father being [[CompleteMonster Dario Brando.]] Brando]]. And even if someone starts out as a nigh-murderous antagonist standing in the way of everything the Jojo of the generation stands for, [[DefeatEqualsFriendship punching them in the face a couple dozen times usually seems to fix that.]]
18th May '17 9:49:25 PM Fireblood
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* ''Film/WorldWarZ'' has a number of instances where people unite and support and help each other during the outbreak. The biggest example of this is in Israel, where a huge crowd of many different nationalities and faiths join together in singing and prayer. It's quite a turn for a zombie movie, a genre famous for portraying human survivors as either expendable or [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters as an even bigger threat than the zombies]].

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* ''Film/WorldWarZ'' has a number of instances where people unite and support and help each other during the outbreak. The biggest example of this is in Israel, where a huge crowd the government opens its border to Arab refugees. People of many different nationalities and all faiths then join together in singing and prayer. It's quite a turn for a zombie movie, a genre famous for portraying human survivors as either expendable or [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters as an even bigger threat than the zombies]]. Unfortunately, the noise draws in the zombies...



** Even more apparent in ''Dinotopia Lost'', in which a crew of cutthroat pirates reform the very instant they come into contact with Dinotopian society.

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** Even more apparent in ''Dinotopia Lost'', in which a crew of cutthroat pirates reform the very instant they come into contact with Dinotopian society.society, aside from three holdouts who are soon eaten by carnivores.
1st May '17 8:36:17 PM Materioptikon
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-->''Arquette'':[[spoiler:[[NightmareFuel It's easier to pull the trigger when you're aiming at the bogeyman]].]]

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1st May '17 8:35:48 PM Materioptikon
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* Nightmarishly played with in ''Series/BlackMirror'''s ''Men Against Fire''. Arquette certainly thinks this is true for humanity...[[spoiler:which he believes is a serious flaw in the species. He specifically mentions statistics pointing out how hard it is for a man to pull the trigger when in combat, needlessly extending conflict when soldiers could just buckle up and be done with it. Which is why he's now part of a project manipulating soldiers' haptics to mask the defenseless people they're slaughtering and make them appear as mutated monsters.]]
-->''Arquette'':[[spoiler:[[NightmareFuel It's easier to pull the trigger when you're aiming at the bogeyman]].]]
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