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17th Jun '17 4:54:07 PM TheNerevarine
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* In ''Film/WonderWoman2017'', the Amazons successfully dispose a German battalion armed with rifles using only ancient times weaponry and lifelong martial training, as well as being super-human warriors. With that said, they suffer a couple of losses in the battle and even [[spoiler:Antiope, their general and most skilled warrior]] is killed by a well-placed bullet.
16th Jun '17 12:12:14 PM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', the [[OurElvesAreDifferent Bosmer (Wood Elves)]] of Valenwood are bound by the Green Pact, a deal they made with the patron deity of their forest homeland ages ago in which they are not allowed to harm Valenwood's plant life. Due to the Green Pact, forges are extremely uncommon in Valenwood. As a result, metal weapons and armor have never gained popularity amongst the Bosmer. Their weaponry tends to be made of natural ingredients, such as bone for clubs and obsidian blades. They are known to make composite horn bows which are said to be some of the best in Tamriel. For armor, they either forgo it completely or use light natural materials such as leather and hide.

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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', the [[OurElvesAreDifferent ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'':
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Bosmer (Wood Elves)]] of Valenwood are bound by the Green Pact, a deal they made with the patron deity of their forest homeland ages ago in which they are not allowed to harm Valenwood's plant life. Due to the Green Pact, forges are extremely uncommon in Valenwood. As a result, metal weapons and armor have never gained popularity amongst the Bosmer. Their weaponry tends to be made of natural ingredients, such as bone for clubs and obsidian blades. They are known to make composite horn bows which are said to be some of the best in Tamriel. For armor, they either forgo it completely or use light natural materials such as leather and hide.
** The Reachmen, [[BarbarianTribe tribal natives]] of the Reach region along the border of High Rock and Skyrim, eschew metal in their weapons and armor, favoring wood, stone, [[FurBikini fur]], [[PeltsOfTheBarbarian hide]], feathers, [[SkeletonsInTheCoatCloset bone, and antler]]. Despite this, they are able fight evenly against better equipped adversaries through use of guerilla tactics and their [[{{Druid}} druidic]] "hedge magic." In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', this can be seen in the weapons and armor of the Forsworn, a [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters terrorist/freedom fighter]] group of Reachmen.
7th Jun '17 10:19:16 PM Marchogwyn
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* The ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' 'verse in general prefers projectile weapons to lasers. Specifically, in "Heart of Gold", the BigBad brandishes a laser, which does do quite a bit of damage...until it runs out of power, very quickly, thus illustrating why projectile weapons are preferred. On the other hand, guns can run out of ammo too. Presumably, the Alliance troops who use lasers carry spare power packs, just like modern-day soldiers carry spare clips. [[AllThereInTheManual Supplemental material revealed]] that while laser weapons were effective, they were also bulky, heavy, and delicate compared to guns. This was not a huge liability on Core planets where Alliance troops would have ready access to spare parts, but out in the planets the show was mostly set in, using a laser meant that you'd have a powerful weapon that ran out of ammo quicker, you couldn't carry as much ammo (due to the bulk and weight of the power packs), and when (not if) it broke on you it would be harder and more expensive to repair it.

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* The ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' 'verse in general prefers projectile weapons to lasers. Specifically, in "Heart of Gold", the BigBad brandishes a laser, which does do quite a bit of damage...until it runs out of power, very quickly, thus illustrating why projectile weapons are preferred. On the other hand, guns can run out of ammo too. Presumably, the Alliance troops who use lasers carry spare power packs, just like modern-day soldiers carry spare clips.magazines. [[AllThereInTheManual Supplemental material revealed]] that while laser weapons were effective, they were also bulky, heavy, and delicate compared to guns. This was not a huge liability on Core planets where Alliance troops would have ready access to spare parts, but out in the planets the show was mostly set in, using a laser meant that you'd have a powerful weapon that ran out of ammo quicker, you couldn't carry as much ammo (due to the bulk and weight of the power packs), and when (not if) it broke on you it would be harder and more expensive to repair it.
7th Jun '17 6:53:57 PM Linda58
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** Also, in the series finale "Nemesis", the primitive humans held off Inferno, a flamethrower wielding war machine, and Quickstrike, a poison wielding war machine, with, well, sticks. The two did eventually get their act together, though, mostly because they weren't expecting the assault. They were inspired by Dinobot, who took down Megatron with a stone hammer in "Code of Hero". Although, again, Dinobot is an alien war machine.

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** Also, in the series finale "Nemesis", the primitive humans held off Inferno, a flamethrower wielding war machine, and Quickstrike, a poison wielding war machine, with, well, sticks. The two did eventually get their act together, though, mostly because they weren't expecting the assault. They were inspired by Dinobot, who took down Megatron with a stone hammer in "Code of Hero". Although, again, Dinobot is an alien war machine. Subverted moments earlier, when Dinobot attacks Megatron with a stick (no rock yet) and is brutally smacked aside and mocked for thinking it would work.
6th Jun '17 3:47:13 AM MJaxon
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** Slightly Inverted when it came to small arms. In the beginning of the Vietnam War, the Viet Cong and NVA were armed with the AK-47 assault rifle (dismissed by the American higher ups as cheap and ineffective), while the Americans were initially armed with the M14 rifle. The M14, while outranging the AK-47, weighed nearly 12 pounds and was 4 feet long. It's CripplingOverspecialization meant that American troops could only carry limited ammo with them and leaving Americans vulnerable to the lighter and more maneuverable AK, which was perfectly suited to the short-range fighting of the Vietnam jungle. The US would quickly respond by rushing the M16 into combat, only to find the M16 unable to stand up to the humidity of Vietnam and prone to failure, compared to the almost legendary reliability of the AK.

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** Slightly Inverted when it came to small arms. In the beginning of the Vietnam War, the Viet Cong and NVA were armed with the AK-47 assault rifle (dismissed by the American higher ups as cheap and ineffective), while the Americans were initially armed with the M14 rifle. The M14, while outranging the AK-47, weighed nearly 12 pounds and was 4 feet long. It's CripplingOverspecialization meant that American troops could only carry limited ammo with them and leaving Americans were left vulnerable to against the lighter and more maneuverable AK, which was perfectly suited to the short-range fighting of the Vietnam jungle. jungle (negating the one advantage the M14 had). The US would quickly would respond by rushing the M16 into combat, only to find the M16 unable to stand up to the humidity of Vietnam and prone to failure, compared to the almost legendary reliability of the AK.
3rd Jun '17 1:00:28 PM StClair
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[[caption-width-right:250:[[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped Some Anvils]] [[{{Pun}} ''really'' Need To Be Dropped.]]]]

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[[caption-width-right:250:[[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped Some Anvils]] [[{{Pun}} ''really'' REALLY Need To Be Dropped.]]]]



* During the NATO operations in the former Yugoslavia, two [[RealLife/CoolPlane F-117 stealth aircraft]] were lost (one was shot down; one was hit and managed to return to base, but never flew again). This was due to, among other things, old radar sets that operated on a wavelength that the aircraft weren't so stealthy against, combined with prodigious application of [[MoreDakka anti-aircraft cannons]] and [[MacrossMissileMassacre SAM spam]]. Notably the same battery scored both. Partly attributed to carelessness on NATO's part, who flew the F-117s on the exact same flight path for every mission. It is worth noting that the conventional F-16s flew over three times as many sorties, with the exact same number of losses. Basically, the loss rate for the F-16 was roughly '''seven times less'' than that of the F-117.

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* During the NATO operations in the former Yugoslavia, two [[RealLife/CoolPlane F-117 stealth aircraft]] were lost (one was shot down; one was hit and managed to return to base, but never flew again). This was due to, among other things, old radar sets that operated on a wavelength that the aircraft weren't so stealthy against, combined with prodigious application of [[MoreDakka anti-aircraft cannons]] and [[MacrossMissileMassacre SAM spam]]. Notably the same battery scored both. Partly attributed to carelessness on NATO's part, who flew the F-117s on the exact same flight path for every mission. It is worth noting that the conventional F-16s flew over three times as many sorties, with the exact same number of losses. Basically, the loss rate for the F-16 was roughly '''seven ''seven times less'' than that of the F-117.
14th May '17 10:41:46 AM nombretomado
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* ''Franchise/StarCraft'': a Protoss Dragoon is a massive SpiderTank with an antimatter cannon. A Zergling is a lizard with teeth and claws. Dragoons can quite easily be ripped to small pieces by a standard-issue ZergRush. The sequel is taking this to an even higher level by giving the Dragoons' successor, the Immortal, shields that can stop a nuke...but which offer no protection against light attacks, like those of said Zerglings and Marines. This is actually somewhat more of an aversion, as Zerg are more an example of OrganicTechnology that's been constantly improving for ages. A zergling is an animal, yes, but its charging with mono-molecular blades, fitness and reflexes boosted thanks to thousands of years of directed evolution, and cannot feel any pain or fear. It's the weakest Zerg strain, others getting even nastier.

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* ''Franchise/StarCraft'': ''VideoGame/StarCraft'': a Protoss Dragoon is a massive SpiderTank with an antimatter cannon. A Zergling is a lizard with teeth and claws. Dragoons can quite easily be ripped to small pieces by a standard-issue ZergRush. The sequel is taking this to an even higher level by giving the Dragoons' successor, the Immortal, shields that can stop a nuke...but which offer no protection against light attacks, like those of said Zerglings and Marines. This is actually somewhat more of an aversion, as Zerg are more an example of OrganicTechnology that's been constantly improving for ages. A zergling is an animal, yes, but its charging with mono-molecular blades, fitness and reflexes boosted thanks to thousands of years of directed evolution, and cannot feel any pain or fear. It's the weakest Zerg strain, others getting even nastier.
5th May '17 11:35:36 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', the [[OurElvesAreDifferent Bosmer (Wood Elves)]] of Valenwood are bound by the Green Pact, a deal they made with the patron deity of their forest homeland ages ago in which they are not allowed to harm Valenwood's plant life. Due to the Green Pact, forges are extremely uncommon in Valenwood. As a result, metal weapons and armor have never gained popularity amongst the Bosmer. Their weaponry tends to be made of natural ingredients, such as bone for clubs and obsidian blades. They are known to make composite horn bows which are said to be some of the best in Tamriel. For armor, they either forgo it completely or use light natural materials such as leather and hide.
26th Apr '17 7:56:58 PM PaulA
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* At one point in Creator/AlanDeanFoster's novel ''A Call to Arms'', a company-sized unit of alien tanks is immobilized, then defeated by a band of Seminole Indians wielding mud, bows and arrows, and paint-ball guns. Of course, by that time in the story, it's been revealed that human beings are the most bad-ass fighters in the known galaxy.

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* At one point in Creator/AlanDeanFoster's novel ''A Call to Arms'', ''Literature/ACallToArms'', a company-sized unit of alien tanks is immobilized, then defeated by a band of Seminole Indians wielding mud, bows and arrows, and paint-ball guns. Of course, by that time in the story, it's been revealed that human beings are the most bad-ass fighters in the known galaxy.
27th Mar '17 7:44:12 AM Rhodes7
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* In ''Literature/Victoria'' older tech is always better, because Retroculture. Spar torpedoes can easily sink modern warships, old WWII short-wave radar is fantastic at spotting high-tech stealth bombers. T-34s are more reliable and easily repaired than modern tanks, though at least there it's acknowledged they'll want to avoid any pitched battles with newer armor. The only computers in Victoria are those their EW specialists use to hack and confound the enemy, so their electronic security is absolute.

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* In ''Literature/Victoria'' ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'' older tech is always better, because Retroculture. Spar torpedoes can easily sink modern warships, old WWII short-wave radar is fantastic at spotting high-tech stealth bombers. T-34s are more reliable and easily repaired than modern tanks, though at least there it's acknowledged they'll want to avoid any pitched battles with newer armor. The only computers in Victoria are those their EW specialists use to hack and confound the enemy, so their electronic security is absolute.
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