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26th May '16 7:41:27 AM EricNeoMatrix
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* Played with in the background setting of ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos''. The Demons initially thought that the Angel rebellion would be easy to defeat - the Demon Empire had technology that could ''destroy galaxies at the push of a button'' and ''control time'' versus [[FuturePrimitive simple projectile weapons and nuclear missiles]]. Turned out that the Jews, Muslims, and Angels had [[SchizoTech much more than that]], and used their more... advanced technology to fight the Demons into [[HopelessWar a bloody, eternal stalemate]].

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* Played with in the background setting of ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos''. The Demons initially thought that the Angel rebellion would be easy to defeat - the Demon Empire had technology that could ''destroy galaxies at the push of a button'' and ''control time'' versus [[FuturePrimitive simple projectile weapons and nuclear missiles]]. Turned out that the Jews, Muslims, and Angels had [[SchizoTech much more than that]], and used their more... advanced technology to fight the Demons into [[HopelessWar a bloody, eternal stalemate]]. It helps that the Jews of the Tribal Republic are the masters of stealth and guerrilla warfare, and the Muslims are suicidally courageous and fanatical in battle.
26th May '16 7:32:43 AM EricNeoMatrix
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* Played with in the background setting of ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos''. The Demons initially thought that the Angel rebellion would be easy to defeat - the Demon Empire had technology that could ''destroy galaxies at the push of a button'' and ''control time'' versus [[FuturePrimitive simple projectile weapons and nuclear missiles]]. Turned out that the Jews, Muslims, and Angels had [[SchizoTech much more than that]], and used their more... advanced technology to fight the Demons into [[HopelessWar a bloody, eternal stalemate]].
** And then the Shroud appeared, playing this trope straight. The Shroud have no technology at all, being a parasitic HordeOfAlienLocusts, and yet there are so many of them and they are so strong that they can easily fight both Demons and Angels at the same time.
22nd May '16 5:09:51 AM Nohbody
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** Unable to overcome Manticoran technical advantages in LAC combat, the Republicans develop the "triple ripple" tactic, which uses loads of the dirtiest thermonuclear warhead missiles (considered to be just about obsolete in modern space combat) they have to overload Mantie sensors with humongous {{EMP}} bursts, blinding them so that Republican [=LACs=] can get in licks while their opponents aren't able to target anything.

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** Unable to overcome Manticoran technical advantages in LAC combat, in ''War of Honor'' the Republicans develop the "triple ripple" tactic, which uses loads of the dirtiest thermonuclear warhead missiles (considered to be just about obsolete in modern space combat) they have to overload Mantie sensors with humongous {{EMP}} bursts, blinding them so that Republican [=LACs=] can get in licks while their opponents aren't able to target anything.
22nd May '16 5:05:12 AM Nohbody
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* In one of Danial da Cruz's ''Texas'' novels (''The Ayes of Texas'', I believe), an invading Soviet armored division is defeated by one man on a horse armed with a ''FlareGun''... [[spoiler:and several acres of diesel-soaked ground]].

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* In one of Danial da Cruz's ''Texas'' novels (''The novel ''The Ayes of Texas'', I believe), an invading Soviet armored division is defeated by one man on a horse armed with a ''FlareGun''... [[spoiler:and several acres of diesel-soaked ground]].ground]].
* ''Literature/HonorHarrington'':
** When dealing with [[PresidentEvil Andre Warnecke]] in ''Honor Among Enemies'', Honor and her armsmen need to board a shuttle with the madman in question and several of his goons without any weapons, which is confirmed with a scanner that detects power sources. However, the [[HandCannon M1911 pistol]], newly built but to the exact specifications of modern day RealLife Earth, that she sneaks aboard doesn't use a power source (unlike pulsers in the current setting), so it goes undetected in its hiding place until she brings it out and blasts Warnecke's henchmen.
** Unable to overcome Manticoran technical advantages in LAC combat, the Republicans develop the "triple ripple" tactic, which uses loads of the dirtiest thermonuclear warhead missiles (considered to be just about obsolete in modern space combat) they have to overload Mantie sensors with humongous {{EMP}} bursts, blinding them so that Republican [=LACs=] can get in licks while their opponents aren't able to target anything.
--->It isn't pretty, and it isn't elegant, but it ''is'' something more important than either of those things -- it works. --V. Adm. [[spoiler:Shannon Foraker]]
13th May '16 2:35:19 PM merotoker
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->''"The hell of it was that a nineteenth-century bullet or even a Stone Age spear could still kill a [[SpaceMarine twenty-third-century marine]]. It shouldn't. It should not be ''allowed''. And that was it -- it was your sense of superiority that killed you.''"

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->''"The hell of it was that a nineteenth-century bullet or even a Stone Age spear could still kill a [[SpaceMarine twenty-third-century marine]].marine. It shouldn't. It should not be ''allowed''. And that was it -- it was your sense of superiority that killed you.''"



* In ''ComicBook/XStatix''/''[[ComicBook/TheAvengers Avengers]]'', the Mr. Sensitive fights ComicBook/IronMan armed only with an ''anvil'', of all things, as depicted above. Well, [[CoversAlwaysLie on the cover, at least]]. Mr. Sensitive ''did'' win the fight depicted in the issue itself, though.[[note]] [[RuleOfFunny By convincing Stark to take off his armor and fight him naked.]] This makes more sense when you realize Sensitive's mutant condition is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin and even throwing blades of grass at him hurts him. And Sensitive was also naked.[[/note]]

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* In ''ComicBook/XStatix''/''[[ComicBook/TheAvengers Avengers]]'', the Mr. Sensitive fights ComicBook/IronMan armed only with an ''anvil'', of all things, as depicted above. Well, [[CoversAlwaysLie on the cover, at least]]. Mr. Sensitive ''did'' win the fight depicted in the issue itself, though.[[note]] [[RuleOfFunny By convincing Stark to take off his armor and fight him naked.]] This makes more sense when you realize Sensitive's mutant condition is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin and even throwing blades of grass at him hurts him. And Sensitive was also naked.[[/note]]



* Played with in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8514416/1/Shielded-Under-the-Raptor-s-Wings Shielded Under the Raptor's Wings]]'': the author seems to be of the opininion that more advanced isn't always better, so, depending on the situation, it can be played straight or {{Subverted}}:

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* Played with in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8514416/1/Shielded-Under-the-Raptor-s-Wings Shielded Under the Raptor's Wings]]'': the author seems to be of the opininion opinion that more advanced isn't always better, so, depending on the situation, it can be played straight or {{Subverted}}:{{subverted|Trope}}:



** {{Subverted}} between Alpha Quadrant ships and what the ''Babylon 5'' factions have, as a number of various technical advances give the Alpha Quadrant ships firepower comparable or superior to the Minbari ones and shields strong enough to resist it while much smaller;
*** [[ZigZaggedTrope Zig-zagged]] with the old fusion-powered Romulan ships still in service and the rest of the Alpha Quadrant ships (including the newer Romulan ships), all powered by antimatter: the antimatter-powered ships are slightly more powerful and the fusion reactors of the older Romulan ships are much larger and with smaller fuel reserves to compete, but the fusion-powered ships don't suffer of the antimatter shortage.
** Played straight when the [=EarthForce=] army fights the Minbari one. Human weapons are mostly [=BiL-Pro=] (that is, improved ''firearms'') or missiles, with the only advanced weapons being vehicle-mounted energy machine guns, [[FrickinLaserBeams laser cannons]] for use against enemy aircrafts and [[ShootTheBullet artillery shells]], and newly-introduced tank railguns, and their ground vehicles move on tracks. Minbari weapons are mostly energy except for their artillery, that fires {{Antimatter}}-loaded shells by gravity manipulation, and their vehicles [[HoverTank move the same way]]. On the other hand, the former designed their equipment basing themselves on battlefield experience and are quite good at using it, while the Minbari, in their arrogance, took a long series of stupid decisions (their main tank is criticized for having its main gun fixed forward, an heat signature that makes it impossible to hide to anyone with even the most primitive heat-seeking missile, the gravity-manipulating equipment put in an unarmoured fin, and the armour plating being mechanically fragile and vulnerable to kinetic energy weapons that on the ground are used by pretty much everyone, while the antimatter-firing artillery is called out on the impracticality of only using antimatter as the shell filling) and didn't train their soldiers adequately, who had to learn how to fight effectively on the field. This results in [=EarthForce=] resisting the Minbari invasion of Cyrus for ''years'' in spite of the latter having [[OrbitalBombardment orbital superiority and limited starship support]], and once the starship support is eliminated the Minbari get [[CurbStompBattle annihilated]];
** Partially {{Subverted}} by the Windsword assault tank, that is explicitely better armed and armoured than anything in the [=EarthForce=] arsenal in spite of being just a ''FlawedPrototype'' rushed into production (the final product would be much superior). This comes from another instance of the trope being played straight: over two centuries earlier, Minbari analysts warned that their ground equipment was outmatched by what the Centauri and Orieni had for the same reasons it's outmatched by [=EarthForce=] equipment but were ignored until the Windsword clan, to shut them up, decided to verify and [[OhCrap saw they were right]], at which point they started a development program for a new tank with improved protection and a better and turreted main gun, with the assault tank having been literally cobbled together from the still incomplete new technologies at the start of the war to have something not completely outmatched by [=EarthForce=] vehicles;
** {{Subverted}} by the Alpha Quadrant ground forces: they're not seen in action, but the narration points out their equipment was designed well with superior technology than either the Minbari or Earth Alliance, with their artillery having various kinds of cheap but extremely effective munitions, Klingon tanks having coil guns and being {{Hover Tank}}s, and Federation hover tanks having phaser cannons and DeflectorShields. Also partially played straight, as the kinds of munitions available to Alpha Quadrant artillery include "the primitive but capable high explosive-fragmentation shells" (first fielded in ''1887'' in RealLife).

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** {{Subverted}} {{Subverted|Trope}} between Alpha Quadrant ships and what the ''Babylon 5'' factions have, as a number of various technical advances give the Alpha Quadrant ships firepower comparable or superior to the Minbari ones and shields strong enough to resist it while much smaller;
*** [[ZigZaggedTrope [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig-zagged]] with the old fusion-powered Romulan ships still in service and the rest of the Alpha Quadrant ships (including the newer Romulan ships), all powered by antimatter: the antimatter-powered ships are slightly more powerful and the fusion reactors of the older Romulan ships are much larger and with smaller fuel reserves to compete, but the fusion-powered ships don't suffer of the antimatter shortage.
** Played straight when the [=EarthForce=] army fights the Minbari one. Human weapons are mostly [=BiL-Pro=] (that is, improved ''firearms'') or missiles, with the only advanced weapons being vehicle-mounted energy machine guns, [[FrickinLaserBeams laser cannons]] for use against enemy aircrafts and [[ShootTheBullet artillery shells]], and newly-introduced tank railguns, and their ground vehicles move on tracks. Minbari weapons are mostly energy except for their artillery, that fires {{Antimatter}}-loaded shells by gravity manipulation, and their vehicles [[HoverTank move the same way]]. On the other hand, the former designed their equipment basing themselves on battlefield experience and are quite good at using it, while the Minbari, in their arrogance, took a long series of stupid decisions (their main tank is criticized for having its main gun fixed forward, an heat signature that makes it impossible to hide to anyone with even the most primitive heat-seeking missile, the gravity-manipulating equipment put in an unarmoured fin, and the armour plating being mechanically fragile and vulnerable to kinetic energy weapons that on the ground are used by pretty much everyone, while the antimatter-firing artillery is called out on the impracticality of only using antimatter as the shell filling) and didn't train their soldiers adequately, who had to learn how to fight effectively on the field. This results in [=EarthForce=] resisting the Minbari invasion of Cyrus for ''years'' in spite of the latter having [[OrbitalBombardment orbital superiority and limited starship support]], and once the starship support is eliminated the Minbari get [[CurbStompBattle annihilated]];
annihilated]].
** Partially {{Subverted}} {{subverted|Trope}} by the Windsword assault tank, that is explicitely explicitly better armed and armoured than anything in the [=EarthForce=] arsenal in spite of being just a ''FlawedPrototype'' rushed into production (the final product would be much superior). This comes from another instance of the trope being played straight: over two centuries earlier, Minbari analysts warned that their ground equipment was outmatched by what the Centauri and Orieni had for the same reasons it's outmatched by [=EarthForce=] equipment but were ignored until the Windsword clan, to shut them up, decided to verify and [[OhCrap saw they were right]], at which point they started a development program for a new tank with improved protection and a better and turreted main gun, with the assault tank having been literally cobbled together from the still incomplete new technologies at the start of the war to have something not completely outmatched by [=EarthForce=] vehicles;
** {{Subverted}} {{Subverted|Trope}} by the Alpha Quadrant ground forces: they're not seen in action, but the narration points out their equipment was designed well with superior technology than either the Minbari or Earth Alliance, with their artillery having various kinds of cheap but extremely effective munitions, Klingon tanks having coil guns and being {{Hover Tank}}s, and Federation hover tanks having phaser cannons and DeflectorShields. Also partially played straight, as the kinds of munitions available to Alpha Quadrant artillery include "the primitive but capable high explosive-fragmentation shells" (first fielded in ''1887'' in RealLife).



* Used in ''Film/{{Avatar}}''. On the one hand, when the Na'vi fire up at human vehicles, their arrows do little more than scratch the windows. On the other hand, arrows fired at a right angle from power-diving [[GiantFlyer ikrans]] ''can'' punch through aircraft canopies ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloped_armour which is]] TruthInTelevision). But on the ''other'' other hand, [[spoiler:the Na'vi still get their blue butts kicked by machine guns and missiles, at least until [[GaiasVengeance the planet itself sends its wildlife in as reserve]]. Turns out rocks can't beat mecha -- but a stampede of armored rhinos that shrug off gunfire like a gentle shower ''can''.]]

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* Used in ''Film/{{Avatar}}''. On the one hand, when the Na'vi fire up at human vehicles, their arrows do little more than scratch the windows. On the other hand, arrows fired at a right angle from power-diving [[GiantFlyer ikrans]] ''can'' punch through aircraft canopies ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloped_armour which is]] TruthInTelevision). But on the ''other'' other hand, [[spoiler:the Na'vi still get their blue butts kicked by machine guns and missiles, at least until [[GaiasVengeance the planet itself sends its wildlife in as reserve]]. Turns out rocks can't beat mecha -- but a stampede of armored rhinos that shrug off gunfire like a gentle shower ''can''.]]''can'']].



* The Battle of Yonkers in ''Literature/WorldWarZ'' could be considers an extreme example of this trope, in that living soldiers armed with every state-of-the-art weapon their publicity-minded superiors can load them down with get their asses kicked by zombies armed with ... teeth and jagged nails. Indeed, the advanced-''against-humans'' nature of their weapons makes the soldiers' attacks far less effective than simple bolt-action rifles would've been, as they fire in shaky bursts aiming for the head, and their sophisticated communication links only serve to spread panic, as they can see and hear their comrades being eaten. Eventually, someone realises the problem and "invents" the Lobotomiser--more or less a modified shovel. Its simplicity and effectiveness restored troop confidence in a big way. Yonkers was explicitly a tactical failure rather than a technology failure. Later on they start forming phalanxes of soldiers armed with single-shot semiautomatic rifles with UsefulNotes/WW2-style furniture, and no accessories other than 3 barrels and an 8-inch bayonet. ''It works.''

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* The Battle of Yonkers in ''Literature/WorldWarZ'' could be considers an extreme example of this trope, in that living soldiers armed with every state-of-the-art weapon their publicity-minded superiors can load them down with get their asses kicked by zombies armed with ... teeth and jagged nails. Indeed, the advanced-''against-humans'' nature of their weapons makes the soldiers' attacks far less effective than simple bolt-action rifles would've been, as they fire in shaky bursts aiming for the head, and their sophisticated communication links only serve to spread panic, as they can see and hear their comrades being eaten. Eventually, someone realises the problem and "invents" the Lobotomiser--more or less a modified shovel. Its simplicity and effectiveness restored troop confidence in a big way. Yonkers was explicitly a tactical failure rather than a technology failure. Later on they start forming phalanxes of soldiers armed with single-shot semiautomatic rifles with UsefulNotes/WW2-style UsefulNotes/{{W|orldWarII}}W2-style furniture, and no accessories other than 3 barrels and an 8-inch bayonet. ''It works.''



--->We were defeated by one thing only -- by the inferior science of our enemies. I repeat -- by the ''inferior'' science of our enemies.

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--->We -->We were defeated by one thing only -- by the inferior science of our enemies. I repeat -- by the ''inferior'' science of our enemies.



* In Creator/PoulAnderson's "Literature/TimeLag", Vaynamo isn't even that primitive, though it lacks industry. The heavily overpopulated Chertkoi assumes it will be easy because it is still heavily rural.

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In Creator/PoulAnderson's "Literature/TimeLag", "Literature/TimeLag" Vaynamo isn't even that primitive, though it lacks industry. The heavily overpopulated Chertkoi assumes it will be easy because it is still heavily rural.rural.
** In ''Sargasso of Lost Starships'', the aliens have superhuman PsychicPowers. They can turn back guns. Donovan alerts the soldiers that spears are more dangerous, and they ready them.



* In ''Literature/TheLostRegiment'', the planet Valennia has long been stuck in a MedievalStasis, with the 9-foot-tall HumanoidAliens who rule the planet and constantly migrate in massive [[TheHorde Hordes]] keeping their "cattle" (their word for humans) at primitive levels and periodically culling the population to [[IAmAHumanitarian keep the Hordes fed]]. Then one of the Tunnels of Light (the remains of a PortalNetwork built millennia ago by the ancestors of the aliens) brings to Valennia a group of [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar American Civil War]] soldiers with their weapons and industrial experience. However, this trope is only partly played straight, as muskets and cannons can, at best, even the odds against the experienced mounted warriors of the Hordes, whose skills with bows and swords are unparalleled. Not to mention the sheer numbers of the Horde compared to the humans (the Hordes normally count their warriors in "umens"; each umen is 10,000 warriors), most of whom are untrained, illiterate peasants.

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* In ''Literature/TheLostRegiment'', the planet Valennia has long been stuck in a MedievalStasis, with the 9-foot-tall HumanoidAliens who rule the planet and constantly migrate in massive [[TheHorde Hordes]] keeping their "cattle" (their word for humans) at primitive levels and periodically culling the population to [[IAmAHumanitarian [[ImAHumanitarian keep the Hordes fed]]. Then one of the Tunnels of Light (the remains of a PortalNetwork built millennia ago by the ancestors of the aliens) brings to Valennia a group of [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar American Civil War]] soldiers with their weapons and industrial experience. However, this trope is only partly played straight, as muskets and cannons can, at best, even the odds against the experienced mounted warriors of the Hordes, whose skills with bows and swords are unparalleled. Not to mention the sheer numbers of the Horde compared to the humans (the Hordes normally count their warriors in "umens"; each umen is 10,000 warriors), most of whom are untrained, illiterate peasants.



* Creator/PoulAnderson's
** In ''Sargasso of Lost Starships'', the aliens have superhuman PsychicPowers. They can turn back guns. Donovan alerts the soldiers that spears are more dangerous, and they ready them.



* In Christopher G. Nuttal's ''Literature/ArkRoyal'' the titular starship is decades obsolete with its mass drivers instead of EnergyWeapons and armor so heavy it can barely move. But then humanity gets into a war with aliens whose weapons cut unarmored modern ships to pieces and the Admiralty brings the Ark Royal back into service believing that its armor will allow it to withstand alien attacks and its [[KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter rock-chuckers]] can take out the enemy's ships with ease.

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* In Christopher G. Nuttal's ''Literature/ArkRoyal'' the titular starship is decades obsolete with its mass drivers instead of EnergyWeapons {{Energy Weapon}}s and armor so heavy it can barely move. But then humanity gets into a war with aliens whose weapons cut unarmored modern ships to pieces and the Admiralty brings the Ark Royal back into service believing that its armor will allow it to withstand alien attacks and its [[KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter rock-chuckers]] can take out the enemy's ships with ease.



** In ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS10E4PlanetOfTheDaleks Planet of the Daleks]]'', Thals drop rocks on a Dalek rising through a long shaft on antigravity. The rocks, after all, have gravity on their side.

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** In ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS10E4PlanetOfTheDaleks "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS10E4PlanetOfTheDaleks Planet of the Daleks]]'', Daleks]]", Thals drop rocks on a Dalek rising through a long shaft on antigravity. The rocks, after all, have gravity on their side.



* In an episode of ''Series/TheMuppetShow'' where Creator/MarkHamill guest-stars as [[Franchise/StarWars Luke Skywalker]], he is about to vaporize [[DarthVaderClone Dearth Nadir]] only to find that Nader disabled his blaster with a [[DiabolusExMachina technobabble plot device]]. Thankfully, since "Dearth Nadir" is really just Gonzo the Great in a silly mask, Chewbacca proves more than capable of giving him a beatdown. Unfortunately, even Chewbacca is useless against the [[SarcasmMode awesome might]] of [[DreadfulMusician Angus McGonoggle, the Argyle Gargoyle gargling Gershwin]].

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* In an episode of ''Series/TheMuppetShow'' where Creator/MarkHamill guest-stars as [[Franchise/StarWars Luke Skywalker]], he is about to vaporize [[DarthVaderClone Dearth Nadir]] only to find that Nader Nadir disabled his blaster with a [[DiabolusExMachina technobabble plot device]]. Thankfully, since "Dearth Nadir" is really just Gonzo the Great in a silly mask, Chewbacca proves more than capable of giving him a beatdown. Unfortunately, even Chewbacca is useless against the [[SarcasmMode awesome might]] of [[DreadfulMusician Angus McGonoggle, the Argyle Gargoyle gargling Gershwin]].



* ZigZaggedTrope in ''Series/DeadliestWarrior''. The general rule is, the warrior with the clear technology advantage is usually the one who wins in the end (as is the case with [[spoiler:Pirate vs. Knight]], [[spoiler:French Musketeers vs Ming Warriors]], [[spoiler:Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu]] and [[spoiler:Joan of Arc vs. William the Conqueror]]). but occasionally an older weapon manages to outperform a more advanced counterpart in simulation, such as [[spoiler:Theodore Roosevelt's Gatling Gun actually managing to work better than Lawrence of Arabia's UsefulNotes/WW1-era Vickers]]. Sometimes, however, a warrior with more primitive weaponry manages to beat the odds and overcome their more advanced opponents (the [[spoiler:Spartan]], who manages to [[spoiler:defeat both the Ninja and the Samurai, armed with steel weapons and armour, using only bronze-age gear]], and [[spoiler:the Jesse James gang]], who go up against [[spoiler:Al Capone's gang, who have Tommy guns, armed with Civil War-era rifles and revolvers, and win]]).

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* ZigZaggedTrope ZigZaggingTrope in ''Series/DeadliestWarrior''. The general rule is, the warrior with the clear technology advantage is usually the one who wins in the end (as is the case with [[spoiler:Pirate vs. Knight]], [[spoiler:French Musketeers vs Ming Warriors]], [[spoiler:Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu]] and [[spoiler:Joan of Arc vs. William the Conqueror]]). but occasionally an older weapon manages to outperform a more advanced counterpart in simulation, such as [[spoiler:Theodore Roosevelt's Gatling Gun actually managing to work better than Lawrence of Arabia's UsefulNotes/WW1-era UsefulNotes/{{W|orldWarI}}W1-era Vickers]]. Sometimes, however, a warrior with more primitive weaponry manages to beat the odds and overcome their more advanced opponents (the [[spoiler:Spartan]], who manages to [[spoiler:defeat both the Ninja and the Samurai, armed with steel weapons and armour, using only bronze-age gear]], and [[spoiler:the Jesse James gang]], who go up against [[spoiler:Al Capone's gang, who have Tommy guns, armed with Civil War-era rifles and revolvers, and win]]).



* Some of the more powerful units in ''TabletopGame/{{Heroscape}}'' are Medieval units or [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution colonial-times]] soldiers who are able to destroy the [[HumongousMecha Soulborgs]]

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* Some of the more powerful units in ''TabletopGame/{{Heroscape}}'' are Medieval units or [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution colonial-times]] soldiers who are able to destroy the [[HumongousMecha Soulborgs]]Soulborgs]].



* In ''Franchise/MassEffect'', this is actually justified- while laser weapons do exist, kinetic energy weapons are more effective shot-for-shot. Thus even in the future, we're still using guns that fire bullets- although now that gun has nearly limitless ammo and is capable of freezing you, setting you on fire, punching through your armor, destroying your shields, increase their mass... That said, in close-range ship-to-ship combat, lasers will literally melt enemy warships, since point-defence lasers ignore kinetic barriers. The series zigzags it--the most technologically advanced weapons are not lasers, but streams of molten metal fired like one. It is absolutely played straight in the third game, however; [[spoiler:the protagonists release a giant Sand Worm to distract the resident technological Eldritch Abomination, and the creature does them one better and manages to kill it. Without assistance. After being hit with one of its weapons nearly point-blank.]]

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* In ''Franchise/MassEffect'', this is actually justified- while laser weapons do exist, kinetic energy weapons are more effective shot-for-shot. Thus even in the future, we're still using guns that fire bullets- although now that gun has nearly limitless ammo and is capable of freezing you, setting you on fire, punching through your armor, destroying your shields, increase their mass... That said, in close-range ship-to-ship combat, lasers will literally melt enemy warships, since point-defence lasers ignore kinetic barriers. The series zigzags it--the most technologically advanced weapons are not lasers, but streams of molten metal fired like one. It is absolutely played straight in the third game, however; [[spoiler:the protagonists release a giant Sand Worm to distract the resident technological Eldritch Abomination, and the creature does them one better and manages to kill it. Without assistance. After being hit with one of its weapons nearly point-blank.]]point-blank]].



* You get [[FrickinLaserBeams Blasters]] near the end of ''VideoGame/MightAndMagic VII'' (and some other games of the series). Besides incredible accuracy, they are inferior in ''raw'' damage to high-end bows and swords - but they do Energy damage instead of Physical, and the enemies in the area they're supplied for use in have more Physical resistance than they do Energy resistance. Kreegans (known as "devils" among natives) are {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s that use OrganicTechnology' and are quite good at terramorphing. When they tried to conquer Enroth with brute force, they had a hard time dealing with 500 armed men and were completely stopped by [[OurDragonsAreDifferent dragons]] and [[OurGiantsAreBigger titans]] that happened to live in neighborhood; after that, they resorted to infiltrating local society and building their own [[ReligionOfEvil cult]]. Those that landed on Antagarich did a lot better due to being more numberous and willing to ally with some natives; nonetheless, they went from posing a major threat to desperately struggling for power to losing any importance and becoming simple mercenaries in less than a decade.

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* You get [[FrickinLaserBeams Blasters]] near the end of ''VideoGame/MightAndMagic VII'' (and some other games of the series). Besides incredible accuracy, they are inferior in ''raw'' damage to high-end bows and swords - but they do Energy damage instead of Physical, and the enemies in the area they're supplied for use in have more Physical resistance than they do Energy resistance. Kreegans (known as "devils" among natives) are {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s that use OrganicTechnology' and are quite good at terramorphing. When they tried to conquer Enroth with brute force, they had a hard time dealing with 500 armed men and were completely stopped by [[OurDragonsAreDifferent dragons]] and [[OurGiantsAreBigger titans]] that happened to live in neighborhood; after that, they resorted to infiltrating local society and building their own [[ReligionOfEvil cult]]. Those that landed on Antagarich did a lot better due to being more numberous numerous and willing to ally with some natives; nonetheless, they went from posing a major threat to desperately struggling for power to losing any importance and becoming simple mercenaries in less than a decade.



** The sequel, ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' features [[spoiler:the Minutemen's defeat of the Brotherhood of Steel. The Brotherhood's CoolAirship, the ''Prydwen'', and all its PowerArmor soldiers laid low by a band of wasteland militiamen and their primitive WW1-era artillery guns.]]

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** The sequel, ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' features [[spoiler:the Minutemen's defeat of the Brotherhood of Steel. The Brotherhood's CoolAirship, the ''Prydwen'', and all its PowerArmor PoweredArmor soldiers laid low by a band of wasteland militiamen and their primitive WW1-era UsefulNotes/{{W|orldWarI}}W1-era artillery guns.]]guns]].



* Parodied in ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'' B.C. (Before Comedy), in which a caveman's curiosity about a robot activates its [[EyeBeams defense mechanisms]]. The caveman later responds by throwing large rocks at it; for the rest of the fight, they seem evenly matched.

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* Parodied in ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'' ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' B.C. (Before Comedy), in which a caveman's curiosity about a robot activates its [[EyeBeams defense mechanisms]]. The caveman later responds by throwing large rocks at it; for the rest of the fight, they seem evenly matched.



** During the Philippine-American War, Filipino fighters (largely armed with swords and machetes) resisted gunfire from the newly-introduced .38 Long Colt revolver by wrapping ropes around their bodies, which helped staunch bleeding and may have even ''deflected'' bullets. Even after taking direct hits, the natives were still in fine condition to rip apart their colonizers. Many no doubt died of blood loss later, but that didn't do the American soldiers they'd hacked up in the meantime any good. This forced the U.S. to bring the recently retired .45 Long Colt revolvers back into service, as a stop-gap until newer firearms and ammunition could be introduced. This led directly to the [[LongRunner M1911 .45 semi-automatic pistol]] and the .45ACP cartridge, to give both more shots and greater stopping power than the older revolvers.

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** During the Philippine-American War, Filipino fighters (largely armed with swords and machetes) resisted gunfire from the newly-introduced .38 Long Colt revolver by wrapping ropes around their bodies, which helped staunch bleeding and may have even ''deflected'' bullets. Even after taking direct hits, the natives were still in fine condition to rip apart their colonizers. Many no doubt died of blood loss later, but that didn't do the American soldiers they'd hacked up in the meantime any good. This forced the U.S. to bring the recently retired .45 Long Colt revolvers back into service, as a stop-gap until newer firearms and ammunition could be introduced. This led directly to the [[LongRunner [[LongRunners M1911 .45 semi-automatic pistol]] and the .45ACP cartridge, to give both more shots and greater stopping power than the older revolvers.



* At the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar Battle of Second Bull Run, Confederate troops ran out of ammunition and repulsed several Union attacks with hand-thrown rocks.

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* At [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar Second Battle of Second Bull Run, Run]], Confederate troops ran out of ammunition and repulsed several Union attacks with hand-thrown rocks.
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* It's a fairly common tactic for [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk the Hulk]] to use a blunt object against technologically advanced foes. This is presuming that he can't simply tear them metal limb from metal limb with his bare hands (which he usually can). Granted, the Hulk pretty much applies this tactic to any foe, regardless of the level of technology at their disposal. This is quite in line with real world physics; you can destroy anything in the universe, ANYTHING at all... if you hit it hard enough. And who could possibly hit harder than an enraged [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]? Hulk is also Nuclear powered. Being hit by the Hulk is like having a nuclear bomb go off in your face.

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* It's a fairly common tactic for [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk [[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk the Hulk]] to use a blunt object against technologically advanced foes. This is presuming that he can't simply tear them metal limb from metal limb with his bare hands (which he usually can). Granted, the Hulk pretty much applies this tactic to any foe, regardless of the level of technology at their disposal. This is quite in line with real world physics; you can destroy anything in the universe, ANYTHING at all... if you hit it hard enough. And who could possibly hit harder than an enraged [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]? Hulk is also Nuclear powered. Being hit by the Hulk is like having a nuclear bomb go off in your face.



-->'''James [=McMullen=] XXIV[=/=]Destro:''' A three-million-dollar unit...
-->'''Rory:''' ...done in by a bloody rock.
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* When Comicbook/TheLosers need to steal some data from a MegaCorp, they send [[PlayfulHacker Jensen]] to get the data. When the network proves too well-protected, he resorts to "analog hacking": Grabbing a [[AnAxeToGrind fire axe]] and [[{{Pun}} hacking]] his way into their server room to physically steal a hard drive.

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* When Comicbook/TheLosers ComicBook/TheLosers need to steal some data from a MegaCorp, they send [[PlayfulHacker Jensen]] to get the data. When the network proves too well-protected, he resorts to "analog hacking": Grabbing a [[AnAxeToGrind fire axe]] and [[{{Pun}} hacking]] his way into their server room to physically steal a hard drive.



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* A ''literal'' example in ''FanFic/EnemyOfMyEnemy'', ''Fanfic/EnemyOfMyEnemy'', where [[spoiler:Zerat kills the enemy sniper Yik by sneaking up behind him and crushing him with a huge rock]].



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* Tarzan brings down a helicopter with a single well-aimed rock in the 2013 ''WesternAnimation/{{Tarzan|2013}}'' 3D movie.
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* ''Film/IndependenceDay''. No, seriously, the aliens come down to Earth, they glass a portion of the planet, they blow up some of the most advanced fighter planes in the world (and their elite pilots) and even nukes can't stop them … but a combination of ''Morse Code'' and a ''computer virus'' '''''can'''''?! It was even worse in the original cut of the movie. Russell is denied permission to fly one of the remaining F-18's, so he shows up to the final battle and destroys the enemy ship ''with his crop-dusting biplane'' with a sidewinder missile ''taped to its side.''

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* ''Film/IndependenceDay''. No, seriously, the aliens come down to Earth, they glass a portion of the planet, they blow up some of the most advanced fighter planes in the world (and their elite pilots) and even nukes can't stop them … them... but a combination of ''Morse Code'' and a ''computer virus'' '''''can'''''?! It was even worse in the original cut of the movie. Russell is denied permission to fly one of the remaining F-18's, so he shows up to the final battle and destroys the enemy ship ''with his crop-dusting biplane'' with a sidewinder missile ''taped to its side.''



* Used in ''Film/{{Avatar}}''. On the one hand, when the Na'vi fire up at human vehicles, their arrows do little more than scratch the windows. On the other hand, arrows fired at a right angle from power-diving [[GiantFlyer ikrans]] ''can'' punch through aircraft canopies ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloped_armour which is]] TruthInTelevision). But on the ''other'' other hand, [[spoiler:the Na'vi still get their blue butts kicked by machine guns and missiles, at least until [[GaiasVengeance the planet itself sends its wildlife in as reserve]]. Turns out rocks can't beat mecha--but a stampede of armored rhinos that shrug off gunfire like a gentle shower ''can''.]]
* ''Film/TheWarOfTheWorlds'' - The alien race dominates earth, but succumbs en masse to common bacterias as soon as they exit their machines.

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* Used in ''Film/{{Avatar}}''. On the one hand, when the Na'vi fire up at human vehicles, their arrows do little more than scratch the windows. On the other hand, arrows fired at a right angle from power-diving [[GiantFlyer ikrans]] ''can'' punch through aircraft canopies ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloped_armour which is]] TruthInTelevision). But on the ''other'' other hand, [[spoiler:the Na'vi still get their blue butts kicked by machine guns and missiles, at least until [[GaiasVengeance the planet itself sends its wildlife in as reserve]]. Turns out rocks can't beat mecha--but mecha -- but a stampede of armored rhinos that shrug off gunfire like a gentle shower ''can''.]]
* ''Film/TheWarOfTheWorlds'' - ''Film/TheWarOfTheWorlds'': The alien race dominates earth, but succumbs en masse to common bacterias as soon as they exit their machines.



* Tarzan brings down a helicopter with a single well-aimed rock in ''WesternAnimation/{{Tarzan 2013}}''.



* The Literature/{{Uplift}} series has this as a running theme. As newcomers to a galaxy filled with {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s with eons-old technology, humanity and its [[UpliftedAnimal clients]] must rely on their wits and the technology that they've learned to understand in a few short centuries. In ''The Uplift War'', humans and chimps with jungle camouflage and crossbows manage to slaughter the technologically reliant Gubru -- after realizing that their initial severe losses were due to the Gubru having rigged the humans' technology so they could track it. Later in the war, they also manage to capture some Gubru weapons.

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* The Literature/{{Uplift}} ''Literature/{{Uplift}}'' series has this as a running theme. As newcomers to a galaxy filled with {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s with eons-old technology, humanity and its [[UpliftedAnimal clients]] must rely on their wits and the technology that they've learned to understand in a few short centuries. In ''The Uplift War'', humans and chimps with jungle camouflage and crossbows manage to slaughter the technologically reliant Gubru -- after realizing that their initial severe losses were due to the Gubru having rigged the humans' technology so they could track it. Later in the war, they also manage to capture some Gubru weapons.



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* One prime fictional example is ''Series/StargateSG1'', where Human-made bullets are more useful than Asgardian high-tech weapons against Replicators: they absorb the energy of energy blasts, but bullets blow them apart. Also, it was shown that while Goa'uld personal shields can easily deflect fast moving bullets, they're powerless to stop a relatively slow moving arrows or thrown knives. The implication throughout the series is that AppliedPhlebotinum is often AwesomeButImpractical.

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Human-made bullets are more useful than Asgardian high-tech weapons against Replicators: they absorb the energy of energy blasts, but bullets blow them apart. Also, it was shown that while Goa'uld personal shields can easily deflect fast moving bullets, they're powerless to stop a relatively slow moving slow-moving arrows or thrown knives. The implication throughout the series is that AppliedPhlebotinum is often AwesomeButImpractical.



--->'''[[ColonelBadass Colonel O'Neill]]''': "This [a staff weapon] is a weapon of terror: it's made to ''intimidate'' the enemy. This [an [=FNP90=]] is a weapon of war: it's made to ''kill'' the enemy."

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--->'''[[ColonelBadass Colonel O'Neill]]''': "This O'Neill]]:''' This [a staff weapon] is a weapon of terror: it's made to ''intimidate'' the enemy. This [an [=FNP90=]] is a weapon of war: it's made to ''kill'' the enemy."



--->'''Eleventh Doctor''': [[SarcasmMode Shall we ask for a better quality of door so we can escape?]]

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* From the Film/DieHard episode of ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' "I Shrink Therefore I Am":
-->'''Big, Armored Alien:''' Pulse-chamber overload. ''[snort]'' Not very creative.\\

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From the Film/DieHard DieHardOnAnX episode of ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' "I Shrink Therefore I Am":
-->'''Big, --->'''Big, Armored Alien:''' Pulse-chamber overload. ''[snort]'' Not very creative.\\



* During her time on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', Dr. Katherine Pulaski shows herself to be a believer in a peaceful variety of this trope--using low-tech medical technologies such as splints and chicken soup in place of the usual hyper-advanced Star Trek medical technology when necessary.

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* During her time on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', Dr. Katherine Pulaski shows herself to be a believer in a peaceful variety of this trope--using trope -- using low-tech medical technologies such as splints and chicken soup in place of the usual hyper-advanced Star Trek medical technology when necessary.



* The later model for kobolds in ''[[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons AD&D]]'' was posited in a ''Magazine/{{Dragon}}'' Magazine in the '80s, [[http://www.tuckerskobolds.com/ Tucker's Kobolds]], as a way to turn single-HD runts into holy terrors for 20th level parties armed to the teeth with Infinity Plus One artifacts and insane eldritch arsenals. They became ''more'' formidable when they weren't dominated by evil wizards or warlords of more powerful races, as they would avoid battle-by-attrition in favor of ingenious traps and ambush-and-retreat positions.

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* The later model for kobolds in ''[[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons AD&D]]'' ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' was posited in a ''Magazine/{{Dragon}}'' Magazine in the '80s, [[http://www.tuckerskobolds.com/ Tucker's Kobolds]], as a way to turn single-HD runts into holy terrors for 20th level parties armed to the teeth with Infinity Plus One artifacts and insane eldritch arsenals. They became ''more'' formidable when they weren't dominated by evil wizards or warlords of more powerful races, as they would avoid battle-by-attrition in favor of ingenious traps and ambush-and-retreat positions.



* Due to a variety of factors, usually happens at least once in a blue moon during a corp run in ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}''. As in sci-fi examples stated further above, megacorps do not bother with failsafes and countermeasures against primitive measures, as they just won't be utilized enough to make the cost worth it. Corps that fear such things may be used to infiltrate them tend to hire mage/tracker(usually a bandersnatch or hellhound) teams to roam their halls and spot anything out of the ordinary.
** From the sample NPC quotes for a Native American chief:
---> "I have a fine horse, so why would I need a car? A horse is a renewable resource. Have you had any success breeding your car lately?"

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* Due to a variety of factors, usually happens at least once in a blue moon during a corp run in ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}''. As in sci-fi examples stated further above, megacorps do not bother with failsafes and countermeasures against primitive measures, as they just won't be utilized enough to make the cost worth it. Corps that fear such things may be used to infiltrate them tend to hire mage/tracker(usually a bandersnatch or hellhound) teams to roam their halls and spot anything out of the ordinary.
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ordinary. From the sample NPC quotes for a Native American chief:
---> "I -->"I have a fine horse, so why would I need a car? A horse is a renewable resource. Have you had any success breeding your car lately?"



** Likewise, ''Webcomic/AxeCop'' brings a "Dinosuar Horn" with him when he goes to [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Invisible King Bad Guy Planet Number Two]], saying that he doesn't know what he'll find up there, but that it probably can't beat Dinosuars. [[spoiler: And indeed, Dinosuars seem to be the only thing Invisible King Bad Guy's scientists can't make.]]

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** * Likewise, ''Webcomic/AxeCop'' brings a "Dinosuar "Dinosaur Horn" with him when he goes to [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Invisible King Bad Guy Planet Number Two]], saying that he doesn't know what he'll find up there, but that it probably can't beat Dinosuars. Dinosaurs. [[spoiler: And indeed, Dinosuars Dinosaurs seem to be the only thing Invisible King Bad Guy's scientists can't make.]]



* ''Prequel'' treats its readers to [[http://www.prequeladventure.com/this/KatiaTakeControl.html a flash minigame where they control Katia as she chases a skilled mage throughout the city of Kvatch]]- his ability as a wizard gives him a great advantage in agility as he escapes from the normally clumsy Katia. The chase ends with Katia [[TookALevelInBadass performing a combat roll, simultaneously grabbing a stone, chucking it at the back of his head and scoring a direct hit.]] "Situation: controlled!"

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* ''Prequel'' treats its readers to [[http://www.prequeladventure.com/this/KatiaTakeControl.html a flash minigame where they control Katia as she chases a skilled mage throughout the city of Kvatch]]- Kvatch]] -- his ability as a wizard gives him a great advantage in agility as he escapes from the normally clumsy Katia. The chase ends with Katia [[TookALevelInBadass performing a combat roll, simultaneously grabbing a stone, chucking it at the back of his head and scoring a direct hit.]] "Situation: controlled!"



* In ''{{Literature/Worm}}'', Skitter escapes a cage made of nano robots that cut through anything [[spoiler:using a lighter]].

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* In ''{{Literature/Worm}}'', ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', Skitter escapes a cage made of nano robots that cut through anything [[spoiler:using a lighter]].



* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''

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--> '''Kang''': "Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"

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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls''

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* Parodied in a ''[[Series/TheTwilightZone Scary Door]]'' episode (that happens to be a parody of ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds'') in the third ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' movie.
-->'''Narrator:''' In the end, it wasn't guns or bombs that defeated the aliens, but that humblest of God's creatures: [[spoiler: the Tyrannosaurus Rex]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'':
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Parodied in a ''[[Series/TheTwilightZone Scary Door]]'' episode (that happens to be a parody of ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds'') in the third ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' movie.
-->'''Narrator:''' --->'''Narrator:''' In the end, it wasn't guns or bombs that defeated the aliens, but that humblest of God's creatures: [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Tyrannosaurus Rex]]



* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' episode 15 season 1. Territorial natives of Orto Plutonia attack republic troops that have superior armament.
** Massively and horrifyingly averted later on. When Grievous and his droid army head to Dathomir, the Nightsisters attempt to fight back using spears, bows, and hand-to-hand skills... against enemies who are made out of metal, are physically stronger than organics, and are wielding guns, bombers, and tanks. [[RealityEnsues They proceed to get slaughtered with relative ease]], except for Ventress who was smart enough to use her lightsabers and force powers.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' episode ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'':
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15 season 1. Territorial natives of Orto Plutonia attack republic troops that have superior armament.
** Massively and horrifyingly averted later on. When Grievous and his droid army head to Dathomir, the Nightsisters attempt to fight back using spears, bows, and hand-to-hand skills... against enemies who are made out of metal, are physically stronger than organics, and are wielding guns, bombers, and tanks. [[RealityEnsues They proceed to get slaughtered with relative ease]], except for Ventress who was smart enough to use her lightsabers and force powers.



* Although generally, overwhelmingly averted in native conflicts with European settlers, there are a few occasions where the guys with the spears and the rocks come out on top. But first, it must be noted that one of the major common factors in the subjugation of native populations early in the colonization era were European diseases. These diseases, in fact, spread more quickly than the Europeans themselves did, killing large numbers of natives and throwing their societies into chaos before the colonizers were able to bring in proper armies. At least one historian has made the comparison of what Europe might have looked like if the Black Plague of the 14th century was immediately followed by another major Mongol invasion. Simply put, the numbers of people killed by European military technology is a miniscule fraction of the number who died from natural diseases like smallpox.
** In 1879 the British Army suffered its greatest defeat at the hands of a native army at the battle of Isandhlwana. The Zulus, despite being equipped with iron spears and rawhide shields, were known for their tactical cunning, their rigorous training, and their suicidal bravery. The British were armed with the latest breech-loading rifles and even had some machine guns and cannon on hand. Feeling that their technological advantage rendered the result of the upcoming battle a foregone conclusion, they spread their forces thin and severely underestimated the numbers facing them. The Zulus ruthlessly exploited the Brits' complacency, easily out-flanking and annihilating the much better-armed force.
*** One must remember that the reason that the Zulus were such a famous example is that they were an ''exception'' in more ways than one. The Zulus were an organized army optimized for pitched battles; while fearsome due to numbers, discipline, and training, they were often soundly defeated and quickly worn down in other battles with the British, whose superior technology inflicted unsustainable casualties on Zulu forces. Natives who used the same tactics they used for tribal warfare and hunting generally lasted longer, even if they aren't [[WorthyOpponent remembered as fondly]].
** Spear throwers and slings, long forgotten in Europe, proved an effective weapon against Conquistadors. It was said by Cortés that the dents and holes left by these weapons were indistinguishable from those left by muskets. There are also stories of Spaniards replacing their metal breastplates with native cotton armor, as well as guns being outshot by arrows, spears, and slings. On the other hand, the Spaniards' use of cavalry, cannon, steel weapons, and superior military tactics were pretty instrumental in conquering the Aztec Empire.

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* Although generally, overwhelmingly averted in native conflicts with European settlers, there are a few occasions where the guys with the spears and the rocks come out on top. But first, it must be noted that one of the major common factors in the subjugation of native populations early in the colonization era were European diseases. These diseases, in fact, spread more quickly than the Europeans themselves did, killing large numbers of natives and throwing their societies into chaos before the colonizers were able to bring in proper armies. At least one historian has made the comparison of what Europe might have looked like if the Black Plague of the 14th century was immediately followed by another major Mongol invasion. Simply put, the numbers of people killed by European military technology is a miniscule minuscule fraction of the number who died from natural diseases like smallpox.
** In 1879 the British Army suffered its greatest defeat at the hands of a native army at the battle of Isandhlwana. The Zulus, despite being equipped with iron spears and rawhide shields, were known for their tactical cunning, their rigorous training, and their suicidal bravery. The British were armed with the latest breech-loading rifles and even had some machine guns and cannon on hand. Feeling that their technological advantage rendered the result of the upcoming battle a foregone conclusion, they spread their forces thin and severely underestimated the numbers facing them. The Zulus ruthlessly exploited the Brits' complacency, easily out-flanking and annihilating the much better-armed force.
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force. One must remember that the reason that the Zulus were such a famous example is that they were an ''exception'' in more ways than one. The Zulus were an organized army optimized for pitched battles; while fearsome due to numbers, discipline, and training, they were often soundly defeated and quickly worn down in other battles with the British, whose superior technology inflicted unsustainable casualties on Zulu forces. Natives who used the same tactics they used for tribal warfare and hunting generally lasted longer, even if they aren't [[WorthyOpponent remembered as fondly]].
** Spear throwers and slings, long forgotten in Europe, proved an effective weapon against Conquistadors. It was said by Cortés that the dents and holes left by these weapons were indistinguishable from those left by muskets. There are also stories of Spaniards replacing their metal breastplates with native cotton armor, as well as guns being outshot by arrows, spears, and slings. On the other hand, the Spaniards' use of cavalry, cannon, steel weapons, and superior military tactics were pretty instrumental in conquering the Aztec Empire.



*** Speaking of the Filipinos, this was in force way before the Americans came, during the Battle of Mactan, where the Spaniard expeditionary force under Ferdinand Magellan (who died in the same battle) lost to local natives under King Lapu-Lapu. Although the natives were partly armed with steel weapons, many were armed with nothing more than bamboo lances tipped with poison. This trope was also taken nearly literally in that the Filipinos also took to hurling rocks, coconuts, jackfruit, and allegedly, their [[DungFu own bodily waste]] at the invaders.

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*** ** Speaking of the Filipinos, this was in force way before the Americans came, during the Battle of Mactan, where the Spaniard expeditionary force under Ferdinand Magellan (who died in the same battle) lost to local natives under King Lapu-Lapu. Although the natives were partly armed with steel weapons, many were armed with nothing more than bamboo lances tipped with poison. This trope was also taken nearly literally in that the Filipinos also took to hurling rocks, coconuts, jackfruit, and allegedly, their [[DungFu own bodily waste]] at the invaders.



* A real-life example took place in the Millennium Challenge, a 2002 wargame carried out by the U.S. military (as mentioned in ''Blink'' by Malcolm Gladwell). A test for a new information-gathering system, it was unofficially a resounding failure. The opposing military, whose modern communications had been jammed or would be intercepted, communicated with the front by motorcycle courier and used light signals to launch planes. Most notably, they [[ZergRush swarmed]] a U.S. naval force in the Persian Gulf using speedboats armed with missiles twice their size, with the magic ability to teleport around the game board. Backed up by regenerating shore-based missile batteries, he “sank" a fully-crewed aircraft carrier. The U.S. military reset the game, pointing out that the OPFOR commander's tactics were impossible under the circumstances, and were completely impractical given the operational environment, essentially amounting to an abuse of game mechanics. His supporters however, argued that the OPFOR commander was simply doing his duty to find whatever flaws in US strategy that a potential enemy could exploit, and that the ones in charge of the exercise were simply using it as a propaganda show to validate existing US strategy and placate the traditionalists. Either way, the entire exercise was discredited.

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* A real-life example took place in the Millennium Challenge, a 2002 wargame carried out by the U.S. military (as mentioned in ''Blink'' by Malcolm Gladwell). A test for a new information-gathering system, it was unofficially a resounding failure. The opposing military, whose modern communications had been jammed or would be intercepted, communicated with the front by motorcycle courier and used light signals to launch planes. Most notably, they [[ZergRush swarmed]] a U.S. naval force in the Persian Gulf using speedboats armed with missiles twice their size, with the magic ability to teleport around the game board. Backed up by regenerating shore-based missile batteries, he “sank" "sank" a fully-crewed aircraft carrier. The U.S. military reset the game, pointing out that the OPFOR commander's tactics were impossible under the circumstances, and were completely impractical given the operational environment, essentially amounting to an abuse of game mechanics. His supporters however, argued that the OPFOR commander was simply doing his duty to find whatever flaws in US strategy that a potential enemy could exploit, and that the ones in charge of the exercise were simply using it as a propaganda show to validate existing US strategy and placate the traditionalists. Either way, the entire exercise was discredited.



* The North Vietnamese Army and the Viet Cong during the UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar provide a textbook case of how a technologically-inferior armed force can prevail against a far better-equipped enemy through a combination of sheer perseverance and ruthless cunning. In fact, the Vietnamese employed tactics similar to those used by Le Loi's men in the Vietnamese rebellion against Ming Dynasty China in ''the 15th century''. Politics aside, the main reason why the Vietnamese prevailed was because dense jungle nullified many of the advantages possessed by outside invaders, whether it was in armoured horsemen or main battle tanks. As for the United States, its performance during the war provided a textbook case of how supposedly superior military equipment cannot ensure military superiority in local conditions, even if it worked as intended.
** During the early days of radar-guided and heat-seeking missiles, many US military planners were so confident of their superiority that the F-4 Phantom fighter was initially designed without guns, as they believed that missiles would make aerial cannon fights a thing of the past. This was quickly disproven in the Vietnam War: Vietnamese pilots quickly learned to fight close to the ground, where ground clutter and thermal reflection greatly confused early missile guidance systems to the point of uselessness, and could leverage the superior low-altitude/low-speed characteristics of their older and supposedly more primitive MiG-15 and MiG-17 fighter aircraft. Even if Phantom pilots managed to outmaneuver their adversaries, the lack of guns meant that they couldn't enagage at closer distances; often the Phantoms had to resort to their superior speed and climb rate to escape. [[note]]A more detailed analysis can be found [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.RockBeatsLaser#latest here.]][[/note]]
*** Earlier in the Vietnam War however, there is an instance where older ''American'' A-1 Skyraiders (propeller-driven ground-attack aircraft) managed to outfight more advanced North Vietnamese MiG-17s (jet fighters). Lacking air-to-air missiles, two of the Skyraiders used their 20mm cannons to shoot down one of the Migs in a head-on pass. It was one of the few occasions since WWII that piston-engine aircraft were able to shoot down jet aircraft.
** Improvised man-traps in general can be extremely effective in dense vegetation of all kinds, despite most designs being indistinguishable from what Stone Age hunters would've employed. One of the nastier tricks employed by Vietnamese guerillas involved a literal application of BambooTechnology: pungi sticks. These were fresh bamboo shoots, cut to a point, hardened by fire, and used in several different types of traps, from swinging logs to pitfalls. If getting impaled didn't kill the victims, it would certainly take them out of action. Most notoriously, they were often covered in feces, which meant that any wound had a greater risk of becoming badly infected.
*** To further add insult to injury, Viet Cong insurgents reportedly neutralized American M18 Claymore mines by ''urinating on them''.
** On the other side of the Vietnam war, the US used older cluster bombs because their submunitions had much greater chances at failing to fire on the initial drop and becoming deadly unexploded ordinance. As it turned out, having a bunch of unexploded bombs on the ground was much more damaging to the Vietnamese than having a whole area blown away in one go.
*** In fact one the United States's most lethal cluster bomb munitions was known as the Lazy Dog, and it was essentially a lump of steel shaped like a blunt-nosed dart. Simply using gravity, these things would build up the inertia of a fifty caliber round during their decent. Each one cost just pennies to make and thousands could be deployed by a single airplane. Additionally, Lazy Dogs could be deployed from any kind of aircraft imaginable, including C-130s, which would fake a mid-flight cargo ejection to lure NVA/Vietcong troops out in the open before spraying the area with them.

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* The North Vietnamese Army and the Viet Cong during the UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar provide a textbook case of how a technologically-inferior armed force can prevail against a far better-equipped enemy through a combination of sheer perseverance and ruthless cunning. cunning.
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In fact, the Vietnamese employed tactics similar to those used by Le Loi's men in the Vietnamese rebellion against Ming Dynasty China in ''the 15th century''. Politics aside, the main reason why the Vietnamese prevailed was because dense jungle nullified many of the advantages possessed by outside invaders, whether it was in armoured horsemen or main battle tanks. As for the United States, its performance during the war provided a textbook case of how supposedly superior military equipment cannot ensure military superiority in local conditions, even if it worked as intended.
** During the early days of radar-guided and heat-seeking missiles, many US military planners were so confident of their superiority that the F-4 Phantom fighter was initially designed without guns, as they believed that missiles would make aerial cannon fights a thing of the past. This was quickly disproven in the Vietnam War: Vietnamese pilots quickly learned to fight close to the ground, where ground clutter and thermal reflection greatly confused early missile guidance systems to the point of uselessness, and could leverage the superior low-altitude/low-speed characteristics of their older and supposedly more primitive MiG-15 and MiG-17 fighter aircraft. Even if Phantom pilots managed to outmaneuver their adversaries, the lack of guns meant that they couldn't enagage engage at closer distances; often the Phantoms had to resort to their superior speed and climb rate to escape. [[note]]A more detailed analysis can be found [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.RockBeatsLaser#latest here.]][[/note]]
*** ** Earlier in the Vietnam War however, there is an instance where older ''American'' A-1 Skyraiders (propeller-driven ground-attack aircraft) managed to outfight more advanced North Vietnamese MiG-17s (jet fighters). Lacking air-to-air missiles, two of the Skyraiders used their 20mm cannons to shoot down one of the Migs in a head-on pass. It was one of the few occasions since WWII that piston-engine aircraft were able to shoot down jet aircraft.
** Improvised man-traps in general can be extremely effective in dense vegetation of all kinds, despite most designs being indistinguishable from what Stone Age hunters would've employed. One of the nastier tricks employed by Vietnamese guerillas involved a literal application of BambooTechnology: pungi sticks. These were fresh bamboo shoots, cut to a point, hardened by fire, and used in several different types of traps, from swinging logs to pitfalls. If getting impaled didn't kill the victims, it would certainly take them out of action. Most notoriously, they were often covered in feces, which meant that any wound had a greater risk of becoming badly infected.
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infected. To further add insult to injury, Viet Cong insurgents reportedly neutralized American M18 Claymore mines by ''urinating on them''.
** On the other side of the Vietnam war, the US used older cluster bombs because their submunitions had much greater chances at failing to fire on the initial drop and becoming deadly unexploded ordinance. As it turned out, having a bunch of unexploded bombs on the ground was much more damaging to the Vietnamese than having a whole area blown away in one go. \n*** In fact one the United States's most lethal cluster bomb munitions was known as the Lazy Dog, and it was essentially a lump of steel shaped like a blunt-nosed dart. Simply using gravity, these things would build up the inertia of a fifty caliber round during their decent. Each one cost just pennies to make and thousands could be deployed by a single airplane. Additionally, Lazy Dogs could be deployed from any kind of aircraft imaginable, including C-130s, which would fake a mid-flight cargo ejection to lure NVA/Vietcong troops out in the open before spraying the area with them.



** Repeated, to some degree, in Grozny during the First Chechen War, when Chechen fighters occasionally took on modern T-72s and T-80s with Molotov cocktails. More commonly, the Chechen weapons of choice were more modern RPG's and ATGM's, though. Either way, Russians lost hundreds of tanks in a disastrous assault on what was supposed to be a ragtag group of "criminals and outlaws." Worth noting, many of the Chechen fighters had previously served in the Russian military, hence their familiarity with anti-tank weapons and tactics.

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** * Repeated, to some degree, in Grozny during the First Chechen War, when Chechen fighters occasionally took on modern T-72s and T-80s with Molotov cocktails. More commonly, the Chechen weapons of choice were more modern RPG's and ATGM's, though. Either way, Russians lost hundreds of tanks in a disastrous assault on what was supposed to be a ragtag group of "criminals and outlaws." Worth noting, many of the Chechen fighters had previously served in the Russian military, hence their familiarity with anti-tank weapons and tactics.



* Until the advent of the breech-loading rifle, bows were generally superior to guns in terms of lethality at range, rate of fire, and accuracy; they also had the advantage of being able to arc over cover, as Custer found to his dismay. Indian rulers usually retained their archers even after they adopted Western-style firearms, and the Duke of Wellington, who had himself served in India and seen the effectiveness of such weapons, attempted to form a Longbow Corps during the Peninsular War, to act as an elite rapid-response force. However, by Wellington's time, the musket had completely displaced the bow, to the extent that there were neither sufficient skilled archers, nor fletchers to make the arrows.
** It is frequently forgotten that the primary reason that muskets took over from bows was not their greater efficacy, but rather the fact that they were much easier to train men how to use properly. Early firearms were inferior to bows in most respects, but training a longbowman was much harder than training someone to use a musket; an expert longbowman had to be trained pretty much from childhood on up (giving rise to the old quote ''"To train a longbowman, start with his grandfather."''), but an expert musketman could be trained and ready for battle in a few weeks to a few months. More importantly, unlike an archer, a man using a musket would not grow nearly as tired from using his weapon, nor would the power of his weapon depend on his strength, and a musket man could carry half a dozen balls and powder for each arrow carried by the archer.
** Likewise, military crossbows, for all their similarities and comparative advantages, required more skilled labour to manufacture and relied on muscle power, which would grow weaker over the course of a battle.
* Played with in RealLife with concrete bombs. Need a target in an urban area destroyed while minimizing the collateral damage using shrapnel-and-blast-force-inducing high explosives? Just drop a slab of good old-fashioned concrete right on top of your pesky target. Who needs fancy high-explosive mixtures when you have the simple blunt force of a solid chunk of concrete dropped from the sky? Catch is, this straight-forward blunt force weapon is only effective when laser-guided.
** The "Rods From God" concept takes this a step further, replacing the chunk of concrete with large metal darts launched by satellites in orbit. They don't weigh as much, but they make up for it with the sheer velocity of what is essentially a solid metal meteorite.
* During the NATO operations in the former Yugoslavia, two [[RealLife/CoolPlane F-117 stealth aircraft]] were lost (one was shot down; one was hit and managed to return to base, but never flew again). This was due to, among other things, old radar sets that operated on a wavelength that the aircraft weren't so stealthy against, combined with prodigious application of [[MoreDakka anti-aircraft cannons]] and [[MacrossMissileMassacre SAM spam]]. Notably the same battery scored both. Partly attributed to carelessness on NATO's part, who flew the F-117s on the exact same flight path for every mission.
** It is worth noting that the conventional F-16s flew over three times as many sorties, with the exact same number of losses. Basically, the loss rate for the F-16 was roughly '''seven times less'' than that of the F-117.
* It is nearly legendary that a SEAL team was put up against an 'amphib' ship (looks like a small carrier--think "helicopter and Harrier carrier" and you've got it; they are used to deploy marines; an example would be the LHD) and quickly took out all the defenses...except for engineering, which was armed with foot long bits of pipe ('pipe wrenches,' used to shut water tight doors) and safety netting, which they deployed at every level of the vertical shafts... basically, there wasn't any way to invade or drop a bomb without either exposing oneself to pipes or getting caught in safety net.
* The US Navy's air division spends incredible amounts of time on "FOD" control-- that is, Foreign Object Damage control, making sure there's not so much as a pebble or an earring where it could, possibly, by any chance be thrown into the engine of a jet. It is amazing how a tiny object can utterly destroy a sufficiently advanced bit of equipment. That's why the first thing done at beginning of each day of duty on a carrier is a line of personnel walking together the length of the flight deck in strict formation to remove any piece of debris before any air traffic happens.

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* Until the advent of the breech-loading rifle, bows were generally superior to guns in terms of lethality at range, rate of fire, and accuracy; they also had the advantage of being able to arc over cover, as Custer found to his dismay. Indian rulers usually retained their archers even after they adopted Western-style firearms, and the Duke of Wellington, who had himself served in India and seen the effectiveness of such weapons, attempted to form a Longbow Corps during the Peninsular War, to act as an elite rapid-response force. However, by Wellington's time, the musket had completely displaced the bow, to the extent that there were neither sufficient skilled archers, nor fletchers to make the arrows.
**
arrows.\\\
It is frequently forgotten that the primary reason that muskets took over from bows was not their greater efficacy, but rather the fact that they were much easier to train men how to use properly. Early firearms were inferior to bows in most respects, but training a longbowman was much harder than training someone to use a musket; an expert longbowman had to be trained pretty much from childhood on up (giving rise to the old quote ''"To train a longbowman, start with his grandfather."''), but an expert musketman could be trained and ready for battle in a few weeks to a few months. More importantly, unlike an archer, a man using a musket would not grow nearly as tired from using his weapon, nor would the power of his weapon depend on his strength, and a musket man could carry half a dozen balls and powder for each arrow carried by the archer. \n** Likewise, military crossbows, for all their similarities and comparative advantages, required more skilled labour to manufacture and relied on muscle power, which would grow weaker over the course of a battle.
* Played with in RealLife with concrete bombs. Need a target in an urban area destroyed while minimizing the collateral damage using shrapnel-and-blast-force-inducing high explosives? Just drop a slab of good old-fashioned concrete right on top of your pesky target. Who needs fancy high-explosive mixtures when you have the simple blunt force of a solid chunk of concrete dropped from the sky? Catch is, this straight-forward blunt force weapon is only effective when laser-guided.
**
laser-guided. The "Rods From God" concept takes this a step further, replacing the chunk of concrete with large metal darts launched by satellites in orbit. They don't weigh as much, but they make up for it with the sheer velocity of what is essentially a solid metal meteorite.
* During the NATO operations in the former Yugoslavia, two [[RealLife/CoolPlane F-117 stealth aircraft]] were lost (one was shot down; one was hit and managed to return to base, but never flew again). This was due to, among other things, old radar sets that operated on a wavelength that the aircraft weren't so stealthy against, combined with prodigious application of [[MoreDakka anti-aircraft cannons]] and [[MacrossMissileMassacre SAM spam]]. Notably the same battery scored both. Partly attributed to carelessness on NATO's part, who flew the F-117s on the exact same flight path for every mission.
**
mission. It is worth noting that the conventional F-16s flew over three times as many sorties, with the exact same number of losses. Basically, the loss rate for the F-16 was roughly '''seven times less'' than that of the F-117.
F-117.
* It is nearly legendary that a SEAL team was put up against an 'amphib' "amphib" ship (looks like a small carrier--think carrier -- think "helicopter and Harrier carrier" and you've got it; they are used to deploy marines; an example would be the LHD) and quickly took out all the defenses...defenses... except for engineering, which was armed with foot long bits of pipe ('pipe wrenches,' ("pipe wrenches", used to shut water tight doors) and safety netting, which they deployed at every level of the vertical shafts... basically, there wasn't any way to invade or drop a bomb without either exposing oneself to pipes or getting caught in safety net.
* The US Navy's air division spends incredible amounts of time on "FOD" control-- control -- that is, Foreign Object Damage control, making sure there's not so much as a pebble or an earring where it could, possibly, by any chance be thrown into the engine of a jet. It is amazing how a tiny object can utterly destroy a sufficiently advanced bit of equipment. That's why the first thing done at beginning of each day of duty on a carrier is a line of personnel walking together the length of the flight deck in strict formation to remove any piece of debris before any air traffic happens.



* The ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck Bismarck]]'' was attacked by a small squadron of the obsolete [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Swordfish Fairey Swordfish biplane]], outdated and primitive even before the war started - though not [[JustPlaneWrong as is occasionally assumed a World War I design]], having been designed in the 1930s (the Swordfish was simply obsolete before it was even designed). The planes crippled the battleship by taking out her rudder with a torpedo hit, leaving her unable to do anything but run in circles until the rest of the Royal Navy caught up. The ''Bismarck'' couldn't track and hit the slow-moving, low-flying biplanes since she had been designed with medium-velocity C33 105mm anti-aircraft guns but these had been substituted while under construction for the more modern high-velocity C37 105mm. Nobody told the fire control designers about the change and the fire control system was still optimized for the C33. As a result, the fire control system unerringly pointed the guns at the wrong place and overshot the planes. By some incredible chance five Swordfish were damaged but none shot down..
** Important to note the hit on the rudder (which was blind luck, ordnance from planes at the time couldn't really be aimed reliably) was the only hit by the planes that actually did any damage to the Bismarck. Outside of that, this trope was not TruthInTelevision as the planes out of date torpedoes were too weak to inflict damage to anything besides the rudder.

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* The ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck Bismarck]]'' was attacked by a small squadron of the obsolete [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Swordfish Fairey Swordfish biplane]], outdated and primitive even before the war started - -- though not [[JustPlaneWrong as is occasionally assumed a World War I design]], having been designed in the 1930s (the Swordfish was simply obsolete before it was even designed). The planes crippled the battleship by taking out her rudder with a torpedo hit, leaving her unable to do anything but run in circles until the rest of the Royal Navy caught up. The ''Bismarck'' couldn't track and hit the slow-moving, low-flying biplanes since she had been designed with medium-velocity C33 105mm anti-aircraft guns but these had been substituted while under construction for the more modern high-velocity C37 105mm. Nobody told the fire control designers about the change and the fire control system was still optimized for the C33. As a result, the fire control system unerringly pointed the guns at the wrong place and overshot the planes. By some incredible chance five Swordfish were damaged but none shot down..
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down. Important to note the hit on the rudder (which was blind luck, ordnance from planes at the time couldn't really be aimed reliably) was the only hit by the planes that actually did any damage to the Bismarck. Outside of that, this trope was not TruthInTelevision as the planes out of date planes' out-of-date torpedoes were too weak to inflict damage to anything besides the rudder.



** Similar to the above , during the breakup of Yugoslavia, the crossbow manufacturer Barnett sold crossbows to Serbian paramilitaries due to crossbows not being banned under the UN arms embargo. The Paramilitaries and even some army units used the crossbows as virtually silent sniper weapons. The crossbows also had a terrifying effect on the soldiers who came under attack from them, as the crossbows were so quiet they never knew they were being attacked.
*** During the mentioned breakup of Yugoslavia, one of the main weapons of the rebelling side, with less than half the men, all the siege and air war machines moved to Serbia, were sinks and heating boilers carried and dropped by firefighting aircraft with over 80 year outdated engines.

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** * Similar to the above , during the breakup of Yugoslavia, the crossbow manufacturer Barnett sold crossbows to Serbian paramilitaries due to crossbows not being banned under the UN arms embargo. The Paramilitaries and even some army units used the crossbows as virtually silent sniper weapons. The crossbows also had a terrifying effect on the soldiers who came under attack from them, as the crossbows were so quiet they never knew they were being attacked.
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attacked.During the mentioned breakup of Yugoslavia, one of the main weapons of the rebelling side, with less than half the men, all the siege and air war machines moved to Serbia, were sinks and heating boilers carried and dropped by firefighting aircraft with over 80 year outdated engines.



** [[Film/SavingPrivateRyan "And those little wooden bastards the mine detectors don't pick up..."]]
* Played with during the US war in Afghanistan. In 2001, US Special Forces that were inserted in the country to assist anti-Taliban tribes were forced to learn how to fight on horseback, as this was the tribesmen's primary method of transportation. While it is true that cavalry charges were on occasion somewhat successful against Taliban mechanized units, what is often not mentioned in the rock beats laser narrative is that ''smart bombs'' and other aerial support were called in by the US special forces ahead of the charges and were essential to their success - without air support, [[RealityEnsues the horses would be easily driven off by enemy armor.]]

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** [[Film/SavingPrivateRyan -->[[Film/SavingPrivateRyan "And those little wooden bastards the mine detectors don't pick up..."]]
* Played with during the US war in Afghanistan. In 2001, US Special Forces that were inserted in the country to assist anti-Taliban tribes were forced to learn how to fight on horseback, as this was the tribesmen's primary method of transportation. While it is true that cavalry charges were on occasion somewhat successful against Taliban mechanized units, what is often not mentioned in the rock beats laser narrative is that ''smart bombs'' and other aerial support were called in by the US special forces ahead of the charges and were essential to their success - -- without air support, [[RealityEnsues the horses would be easily driven off by enemy armor.]]



* After the reuinification of Germany, NATO managed to get their hands on Soviet-made East German weapons systems--which resulted in some shocking instances of this trope. NATO had created advanced flares designed to spoof IR missile guidance systems, and so NATO seekers in Sidewinder missiles had been improved to compensate for such flares. The Soviets, however, continued using cruder dirty-burning flares. In a serious [[CripplingOverspecialization technological oversight]] the Sidewinder's developers had optimized the missile seeker to discriminate the thermal patterns of NATO flares on the assumption that the Soviets had developed something similar. [[GoneHorriblyRight You know where this is going.]] This oversight was corrected in later versions of the missile.
* In UsefulNotes/WW2 the American codebreakers were easily able to break Japanese codes, yet the Japanese were never able to do the same, primarily because the Americans employed Navajo speakers who created a code from their native language, and since the Japanese couldn't speak the language, they stood no chance of decyphering the American signals. Army forces in Europe sometimes employed a similar tactic, with other Native Americans using their languages, though they didn't go so far as to create codes from them as the Navajo did.
** A similar trick was used by the Italians during UsefulNotes/WW1, as they recruited radio operators from Sardinia and had them speak in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_language their local language]], that only other Sardinians could understand.

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* After the reuinification of Germany, NATO managed to get their hands on Soviet-made East German weapons systems--which systems -- which resulted in some shocking instances of this trope. NATO had created advanced flares designed to spoof IR missile guidance systems, and so NATO seekers in Sidewinder missiles had been improved to compensate for such flares. The Soviets, however, continued using cruder dirty-burning flares. In a serious [[CripplingOverspecialization technological oversight]] the Sidewinder's developers had optimized the missile seeker to discriminate the thermal patterns of NATO flares on the assumption that the Soviets had developed something similar. [[GoneHorriblyRight You know where this is going.]] This oversight was corrected in later versions of the missile.
* In UsefulNotes/WW2 UsefulNotes/WorldWarII the American codebreakers were easily able to break Japanese codes, yet the Japanese were never able to do the same, primarily because the Americans employed Navajo speakers who created a code from their native language, and since the Japanese couldn't speak the language, they stood no chance of decyphering the American signals. Army forces in Europe sometimes employed a similar tactic, with other Native Americans using their languages, though they didn't go so far as to create codes from them as the Navajo did.
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did. A similar trick was used by the Italians during UsefulNotes/WW1, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, as they recruited radio operators from Sardinia and had them speak in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_language their local language]], that only other Sardinians could understand.
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* Played with in ''Anime/PanzerWorldGalient''. When the forces of [[BigBad Marder]] -which included infantry and cavalry equipped with beam weapons and giant war mechas- invaded the capital of the Kingdom of Arst, they easily won because the Arstians were armed with nothing but swords and spears. Later on, though, a rebel army equipped with bladed weapons and reinforced by {[[HumongousMecha Galient]] managed to beat Marder's war mechas.

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* Played with in ''Anime/PanzerWorldGalient''. When the forces of [[BigBad Marder]] -which included infantry and cavalry equipped with beam weapons and giant war mechas- invaded the capital of the Kingdom of Arst, they easily won because the Arstians were armed with nothing but swords and spears. Later on, though, a rebel army equipped with bladed weapons and reinforced by {[[HumongousMecha [[HumongousMecha Galient]] managed to beat Marder's war mechas.
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* Played with in ''Anime/PanzerWorldGalient''. When the forces of [[BigBad Marder]] -which included infantry and cavalry equipped with beam weapons and giant war mechas- invaded the capital of the Kingdom of Arst, they easily won because the Arstians were armed with nothing but swords and spears. Later on, though, a rebel army equipped with bladed weapons and reinforced by {[[HumongousMecha Galient]] managed to beat Marder's war mechas.
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** The [[AnAesop Aesop]] of the CarWars inspired song "The Discards":

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** The [[AnAesop Aesop]] of the CarWars TabletopGame/CarWars inspired song "The Discards":
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