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17th Jan '18 2:37:13 PM mkmlp
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*** If you help rebuild the Minutemen from TheRemnant into the large police force they were meant to be, they can utterly wreck both The Brotherhood of Steel ''and'' The Institute, the former of which has a well trained army wearing PoweredArmour, wield energy weapons, and are bringing '''air support''' from The Brotherhood's CoolAirship, the ''Prydwen'' and the latter has an army of {{Robot Soldier}}s, {{Artificial Human}}s, and weapons technology comparable to The Brotherhood. The Minutemen? They're a ragtag militia armed mostly with [[ImprovisedWeapon old homemade pipe pistols and rifles]], laser "muskets" (crudely made, hand-cranked laser rifles), and good old fashioned and primitive UsefulNotes/{{W|orldWarI}}W1-era artillery guns]]. [[spoiler: This can turn into an outright CurbStompBattle, if you get them to ally with the aforementioned Railroad.]]

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*** If you help rebuild the Minutemen from TheRemnant into the large police force they were meant to be, they can utterly wreck both The Brotherhood of Steel ''and'' The Institute, the former of which has a well trained army wearing PoweredArmour, wield energy weapons, and are bringing '''air support''' from The Brotherhood's CoolAirship, the ''Prydwen'' and the latter has an army of {{Robot Soldier}}s, {{Artificial Human}}s, and weapons technology comparable to The Brotherhood. The Minutemen? They're a ragtag militia armed mostly with [[ImprovisedWeapon old homemade pipe pistols and rifles]], laser "muskets" (crudely made, hand-cranked laser rifles), and good old fashioned and primitive UsefulNotes/{{W|orldWarI}}W1-era artillery guns]].guns. [[spoiler: This can turn into an outright CurbStompBattle, if you get them to ally with the aforementioned Railroad.]]
17th Jan '18 2:31:49 PM mkmlp
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** In the ''Mothership Zeta'' DLC, one of the allies you encounter on the alien ship is a feudal-era Japanese {{Samurai}}. A Samurai on a spaceship full of aliens with ray-guns. CurbStompBattle waiting to happen, right? You can have an encounter where he is standing in a room, katana drawn, surrounded by dismembered alien corpses. [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Yep]]. CurbStompBattle [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome all right]].
** ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' also had the Brotherhood get defeated before the events of the game by the somewhat less technologically-advanced NCR, though it was mostly due to the NCR [[WeHaveReserves overwhelming them with sheer numbers]]. Similarly, the NCR is caught in a stalemate with the Legion, who see reliance on technology as weakness and are largely armed with machetes and spears, but are more numerous and are lead by a more competent leader, who they are willing to die for.
** In ''VideoGame/Fallout4'': I
*** if you help rebuild the Minutemen from TheRemnant into the large police force they were meant to be, they can utterly wreck both The Brotherhood of Steel ''and'' The Institute, the former of which has a well trained army wearing PoweredArmour, wield energy weapons, and are bringing '''air support''' from The Brotherhood's CoolAirship, the ''Prydwen'' and the latter has an army of {{Robot Soldier}}s, {{Artificial Human}}s, and weapons technology comparable to The Brotherhood. The Minutemen? They're a ragtag militia armed with [[ImprovisedWeapon old homemade pipe pistols and rifles]], laser "muskets" (crudely made, hand-cranked laser rifles), and good old fashioned and primitive UsefulNotes/{{W|orldWarI}}W1-era artillery guns]].

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** *** In the ''Mothership Zeta'' DLC, one of the allies you encounter on the alien ship is a feudal-era Japanese {{Samurai}}. A Samurai on a spaceship full of aliens with ray-guns. CurbStompBattle waiting to happen, right? You can have an encounter where he is standing in a room, katana drawn, surrounded by dismembered alien corpses. [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Yep]]. CurbStompBattle [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome all right]].
** ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' also had ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'':
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the Brotherhood get was defeated before the events of the game by the somewhat less technologically-advanced NCR, though it was mostly due to the NCR [[WeHaveReserves overwhelming them with sheer numbers]]. numbers]].
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Similarly, the NCR is caught in a stalemate with the Legion, who see reliance on technology as weakness and are largely armed with machetes and spears, but are more numerous numerous, employ guerrilla warfare to soften their enemies up, before going in for a full on assault, are cunning enough to manipulate other factions into serve them, and are lead by a more competent leader, who they are willing to die for.
** In ''VideoGame/Fallout4'': I
''VideoGame/Fallout4'':
*** if There's also the first Railroad quest after you join, which has you taking up the Railway Rifle (a steam powered hand cannon that fires massive iron spikes) and using it against a squad of [[spoiler:Brotherhood of Steel Paladins]] clad in advanced PoweredArmor. Granted, the weapon is specifically designed to shred armor like tissue paper, allowing the supposedly wimpy Railroad to level and possibly tip the playing field in their favor.
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you help rebuild the Minutemen from TheRemnant into the large police force they were meant to be, they can utterly wreck both The Brotherhood of Steel ''and'' The Institute, the former of which has a well trained army wearing PoweredArmour, wield energy weapons, and are bringing '''air support''' from The Brotherhood's CoolAirship, the ''Prydwen'' and the latter has an army of {{Robot Soldier}}s, {{Artificial Human}}s, and weapons technology comparable to The Brotherhood. The Minutemen? They're a ragtag militia armed mostly with [[ImprovisedWeapon old homemade pipe pistols and rifles]], laser "muskets" (crudely made, hand-cranked laser rifles), and good old fashioned and primitive UsefulNotes/{{W|orldWarI}}W1-era artillery guns]].guns]]. [[spoiler: This can turn into an outright CurbStompBattle, if you get them to ally with the aforementioned Railroad.]]
17th Jan '18 2:20:49 PM mkmlp
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** The sequel, ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' features [[spoiler:the Minutemen's defeat of the Brotherhood of Steel. The Brotherhood's CoolAirship, the ''Prydwen'', and all its PoweredArmor soldiers laid low by a band of wasteland militiamen and their primitive UsefulNotes/{{W|orldWarI}}W1-era artillery guns]].
*** There's also the first Railroad quest after you join, which has you taking up the Railway Rifle (a steam powered hand cannon that fires massive iron spikes) and using it against a squad of [[spoiler:Brotherhood of Steel Paladins]] clad in advanced PoweredArmor. Granted, the weapon is specifically designed to shred armor like tissue paper, allowing the supposedly wimpy Railroad to level and possibly tip the playing field in their favor.
*** One of the best weapons to defeat Coursers, Assaultrons, and other high-tech cloaking enemies is the humble MolotovCocktail. If they cloak, toss one in their general direction and they'll catch on fire so you can see where they are and keep blasting them.



** In ''VideoGame/Fallout4'', if you help rebuild the Minutemen from TheRemnant into the large police force they were meant to be, they can utterly wreck both The Brotherhood of Steel ''and'' The Institute, the former of which has a well trained army wearing PoweredArmour, wield energy weapons, and are bringing '''air support''' and the latter has an army of {{Robot Soldier}}s, {{Artificial Human}}s, and weapons technology comparable to The Brotherhood. The Minutemen? They're armed with [[ImprovisedWeapon old homemade pipe pistols and rifles]], laser "muskets" (crudely made, hand-cranked laser rifles), and good old fashioned artillery guns.

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** In ''VideoGame/Fallout4'', ''VideoGame/Fallout4'': I
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if you help rebuild the Minutemen from TheRemnant into the large police force they were meant to be, they can utterly wreck both The Brotherhood of Steel ''and'' The Institute, the former of which has a well trained army wearing PoweredArmour, wield energy weapons, and are bringing '''air support''' from The Brotherhood's CoolAirship, the ''Prydwen'' and the latter has an army of {{Robot Soldier}}s, {{Artificial Human}}s, and weapons technology comparable to The Brotherhood. The Minutemen? They're a ragtag militia armed with [[ImprovisedWeapon old homemade pipe pistols and rifles]], laser "muskets" (crudely made, hand-cranked laser rifles), and good old fashioned and primitive UsefulNotes/{{W|orldWarI}}W1-era artillery guns. guns]].
*** One of the best weapons to defeat Coursers, Assaultrons, and other high-tech cloaking enemies is the humble MolotovCocktail. If they cloak, toss one in their general direction and they'll catch on fire so you can see where they are and keep blasting them.
17th Jan '18 2:09:41 PM mkmlp
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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}:

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}:''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'':



** In ''VideoGame/Fallout4'', if you help rebuild the Minutemen from TheRemnant into the large police force they were meant to be, they can utterly wreck both The Brotherhood of Steel ''and'' The Institute, the former of which has a well trained army wearing PoweredArmour, wielding energy weapons, and bringing '''air support''' and the latter has army of {{Robot Soldier}}s, {{Artificial Human}}s, and weapons technology comparable to The Brotherhood. The Minutemen? They're armed with [[ImprovisedWeapon old homemade pipe pistols and rifles]], laser "muskets" (crudely made, hand-cranked laser rifles), and good old fashioned artillery guns.

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** In ''VideoGame/Fallout4'', if you help rebuild the Minutemen from TheRemnant into the large police force they were meant to be, they can utterly wreck both The Brotherhood of Steel ''and'' The Institute, the former of which has a well trained army wearing PoweredArmour, wielding wield energy weapons, and are bringing '''air support''' and the latter has an army of {{Robot Soldier}}s, {{Artificial Human}}s, and weapons technology comparable to The Brotherhood. The Minutemen? They're armed with [[ImprovisedWeapon old homemade pipe pistols and rifles]], laser "muskets" (crudely made, hand-cranked laser rifles), and good old fashioned artillery guns.
17th Jan '18 2:07:29 PM mkmlp
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* The [[DiscOneNuke Combat Shotgun]] in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' is more powerful than any energy weapon you'll get until the end of the game.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}:
** [[PoweredArmour Power Armour]] is nice and all, but it can still be chipped away by enough bullets and enemies.
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The [[DiscOneNuke Combat Shotgun]] in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' is more powerful than any energy weapon you'll get until the end of the game.



** ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' also had the Brotherhood get defeated before the events of the game by the somewhat less technologically-advanced NCR, though it was mostly due to the NCR [[WeHaveReserves overwhelming them with sheer numbers]]. Similarly, the NCR is caught in a stalemate with the Legion, who are largely armed with spears, but are more numerous and competently led.

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** ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' also had the Brotherhood get defeated before the events of the game by the somewhat less technologically-advanced NCR, though it was mostly due to the NCR [[WeHaveReserves overwhelming them with sheer numbers]]. Similarly, the NCR is caught in a stalemate with the Legion, who see reliance on technology as weakness and are largely armed with machetes and spears, but are more numerous and competently led.are lead by a more competent leader, who they are willing to die for.
** In ''VideoGame/Fallout4'', if you help rebuild the Minutemen from TheRemnant into the large police force they were meant to be, they can utterly wreck both The Brotherhood of Steel ''and'' The Institute, the former of which has a well trained army wearing PoweredArmour, wielding energy weapons, and bringing '''air support''' and the latter has army of {{Robot Soldier}}s, {{Artificial Human}}s, and weapons technology comparable to The Brotherhood. The Minutemen? They're armed with [[ImprovisedWeapon old homemade pipe pistols and rifles]], laser "muskets" (crudely made, hand-cranked laser rifles), and good old fashioned artillery guns.
15th Jan '18 6:41:14 PM WillKeaton
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** The Ewoks in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' overpower an "entire legion of [the Emperor's] best troops" with only spears and rocks. On the other hand, they were clearly losing against the [[=AT-STs=] until Chewie and two Ewoks commandeered one.

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** The Ewoks in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' overpower an "entire legion of [the Emperor's] best troops" with only spears and rocks. On the other hand, they were clearly losing against the [[=AT-STs=] [=AT-STs=] until Chewie and two Ewoks commandeered one.
14th Jan '18 10:10:45 AM WillKeaton
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** Even more jarring, in many fps games, e.g., [[VideoGame/GoldenEyeWii GoldenEye on Wii]], meleeing someone with the butt of an assault rifle is more deadly than shooting someone with a bullet from [[ArbitraryGunPower said rifle]]. It will take just one or two melee hits, but many [=AK47=] shots to kill someone[[note]]Unless you [[BoomHeadshot aim for the head]], in which case it takes two or three bullets[[/note]]. This is mostly just to get the player out of tight spots, as actively trying to rush and melee will get you killed pretty quickly.

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** Even more jarring, in many fps games, e.g., [[VideoGame/GoldenEyeWii GoldenEye on Wii]], meleeing someone with the butt of an assault rifle is more deadly than shooting someone with a bullet from [[ArbitraryGunPower said rifle]]. It will take just one or two melee hits, but many [=AK47=] shots to kill someone[[note]]Unless someone.[[note]]Unless you [[BoomHeadshot aim for the head]], in which case it takes two or three bullets[[/note]]. bullets.[[/note]] This is mostly just to get the player out of tight spots, as actively trying to rush and melee will get you killed pretty quickly.
12th Jan '18 9:23:29 AM Linda58
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** The Ewoks in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' overpower an "entire legion of [the Emperor's] best troops" with only spears and rocks.

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** The Ewoks in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' overpower an "entire legion of [the Emperor's] best troops" with only spears and rocks. On the other hand, they were clearly losing against the [[=AT-STs=] until Chewie and two Ewoks commandeered one.
4th Jan '18 6:28:43 PM nombretomado
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Compare ArchaicWeaponForAnAdvancedAge, CoolButInefficient, GoodOldFisticuffs, KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter, GunsAreWorthless, BreakOutTheMuseumPiece, MugglesDoItBetter and OlderIsBetter. One of the things to watch for in HowToInvadeAnAlienPlanet. Contrast LowCultureHighTech, where a low tech culture uses superior high tech devices. See also SuperweaponSurprise when natives have something up their sleeves that could reasonably be expected to beat the invaders, or InsufficientlyAdvancedAlien when the invaders themselves really don't have anything that could reasonably be expected to beat the natives. See SchizoTech for low tech and high tech used together. Can be justified if [[ZergRush the primitives have a huge numerical superiority]].

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Compare ArchaicWeaponForAnAdvancedAge, CoolButInefficient, GoodOldFisticuffs, KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter, GunsAreWorthless, BreakOutTheMuseumPiece, MugglesDoItBetter and OlderIsBetter. One of the things to watch for in HowToInvadeAnAlienPlanet.JustForFun/HowToInvadeAnAlienPlanet. Contrast LowCultureHighTech, where a low tech culture uses superior high tech devices. See also SuperweaponSurprise when natives have something up their sleeves that could reasonably be expected to beat the invaders, or InsufficientlyAdvancedAlien when the invaders themselves really don't have anything that could reasonably be expected to beat the natives. See SchizoTech for low tech and high tech used together. Can be justified if [[ZergRush the primitives have a huge numerical superiority]].
4th Jan '18 1:12:38 PM spoonofevil
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* With the advent of GPS, many modern militaries have become increasingly reliant on it or similar systems as a navigation aid or to guide their weapons. However, there are a number of high tech counters to GPS that involve jamming or spoofing the signal, or just outright shooting down the GPS satellites. To get around these high tech GPS counters, the US is reviving an old Cold War era technnology: astro navigation. It was essentially a mechanical computer that tracked the user's position in relation to the stars that was installed in ballistic missiles and high flying aircraft like the SR-71 Blackbird and B2 Spirit. And today, astro-nav is greatly benefited by advances in miniaturization and digitization. Since astro-nav is a completely self contained system that does not require a connection to an external source, it is completely unaffected by anything that would counter GPS.
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