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2nd Dec '16 11:22:07 AM kyojikasshu
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* Rick Rizzs and Bob Rathbun in their stint as radio broadcasters for the Detroit Tigers had the unenviable task of replacing much-beloved Hall-of-Famer Ernie Harwell and Paul Carey after the longtime duo were unceremoniously fired by Tigers owner Tom Monaghan in 1991. Rizzs and Rathbun were never truly accepted by Tiger fans, even after new owner Mike Ilitch brought Harwell back and teamed the three together. Though it wasn't so much an indictment on the talent of Rizzs and Rathbun as it was a severe backlash against Monaghan and his organization for firing Harwell, and it was their association with the previous ownership that doomed them to fail in Detroit. Rizzs would return to the Seattle Mariners were he remains as of 2016, while Rathbun would find his own success in Atlanta. Harwell got to retire from the Tigers on his own terms after the 2002 season.
** To a much lesser extent, Detroit Red Wings radio play-by-play man Ken Kal was on the receiving end when he first started with the team, replacing another Hall-of-Famer, the retiring Bruce Martyn. Kal, having previously performed to a smaller audience covering the University of Michigan hockey team, at first lacked the energy and enthusiasm of his predecessor. By his second season, Kal had found his voice, and was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap in time for the Red Wings' run to their first Stanley Cup championship in 42 years - a season that was capped off with [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Kal inviting Martyn back for the Cup-clinching fourth game]].
1st Dec '16 1:24:45 PM JohnnyBGoode
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** This is adding insult to injury, because Joe Lynn Turner was already a replacement scrappy in Rainbow - he replaced legend in his own right Music/RonnieJamesDio, and his time with Rainbow is considered the band's DorkAge. (Even Dio dissed the new incarnation of Rainbow, referring to them as [[PretenderDiss "Foreigner Junior"]])

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** This is adding insult to injury, because Joe Lynn Turner was already a replacement scrappy ReplacementScrappy in Rainbow - he replaced legend in his own right Music/RonnieJamesDio, and his time with Rainbow is considered the band's DorkAge. (Even Dio dissed the new incarnation of Rainbow, referring to them as [[PretenderDiss "Foreigner Junior"]])



** Parodied when Kenny died "permanently" (he came back after one season), the three remaining boys took a previously minor character, Butters, as his replacement. They then proceeded to [[ButtMonkey manipulate and torture him]], [[WoundedGazelleGambit constantly comparing him to their sadly missed Kenny to try to force him to do things their way]]. After a few episodes they "fired" him for not being good enough, and replaced him with ''another'' minor character, Tweek. Interestingly, the boys warm up to him a lot quicker (aside from [[JerkAss Cartman]]), even though he also vanished after a few episodes. Meanwhile Butters, despite being officially "demoted," actually wound up being a {{subver|tedTrope}}sion both in and out universe even after Kenny's resurrection he continues to be a major character on par with the others, as well as quite the EnsembleDarkHorse, his relationship with the other boys is also developed somewhat (only a season later it is made clear the others at least like him a lot more than Cartman).

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** Parodied when Kenny died "permanently" (he came back after one season), the three remaining boys took a previously minor character, Butters, as his replacement. They then proceeded to [[ButtMonkey manipulate and torture him]], [[WoundedGazelleGambit constantly comparing him to their sadly missed Kenny to try to force him to do things their way]]. After a few episodes they "fired" him for not being good enough, and replaced him with ''another'' minor character, Tweek. Interestingly, the boys warm up to him a lot quicker (aside from [[JerkAss Cartman]]), even though he also vanished after a few episodes. Meanwhile Butters, despite being officially "demoted," actually wound up being a {{subver|tedTrope}}sion both in and out universe even after Kenny's resurrection he continues to be a major character on par with the others, as well as quite the EnsembleDarkHorse, his relationship with the other boys is also developed somewhat (only a season later it is made clear the others at least like him a lot more than Cartman).
1st Dec '16 1:24:10 PM JohnnyBGoode
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** This is adding insult to injury, because Joe Lynn Turner was already a replacement scrappy in Rainbow - he replaced legend in his own right Music/RonnieJamesDio, and his time with Rainbow is considered the band's DorkAge. (Even Dio dissed the new incarnation of Rainbow, referring to them as [[PretenderDiss "Foreigner Junior"]])
24th Nov '16 9:11:03 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsLegendOfEverfree'': While a majority of the fandom disliked Flash Sentry in the Equestria Girls films due to being a SatelliteLoveInterest to Twilight, the fourth film introduces Timber Spruce who is an even worse example. The [[AlternateSelf human Twilight]] falls for him as soon as she sees him and their interactions seems forced at best. This angered many fans for repeating the mistakes made with Flash in the previous films, and since Flash's popularity had been slowly rising over the years his supporters weren't happy that he was pushed to the background.

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** ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsLegendOfEverfree'': While a majority of the fandom disliked Flash Sentry in the Equestria Girls films due to being a SatelliteLoveInterest to Twilight, the fourth film introduces Timber Spruce who is an even worse example. The [[AlternateSelf human Twilight]] falls for him as soon as she sees him and their interactions seems forced at best. This angered many fans for repeating the mistakes made with Flash in the previous films, and repeated his mistakes. And since Flash's popularity had been slowly rising over the years his supporters weren't happy that he was pushed to the background.
21st Nov '16 5:00:47 AM Sabrewing
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[[caption-width-right:320:Because [[WesternAnimation/TheFantasticFour1967 The Human Torch]] just wasn't as ''[[{{Pun}} cool]]'' as... [[WesternAnimation/TheFantasticFour1978 the]] [[UsefulNotes/NintendoEntertainmentSystem Robotic Operating Buddy]]?]]

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[[caption-width-right:320:Because [[WesternAnimation/TheFantasticFour1967 The Human Torch]] just wasn't as ''[[{{Pun}} cool]]'' as... [[WesternAnimation/TheFantasticFour1978 the]] [[UsefulNotes/NintendoEntertainmentSystem Robotic Operating Buddy]]?]]
VideoGame/RoboticOperatingBuddy?]]
11th Nov '16 7:20:29 PM kquinn0830
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* Whenever a prominent/legendary athlete retires or leaves his longtime team via a trade or free agency, his replacement at that position is almost certain to become this. We say "almost", because the replacement could become legendary in his own right (see Steve Young replacing Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers replacing Brett Favre, Cory Schneider replacing Martin Brodeur or Andrew Luck replacing Creator/PeytonManning, for instance). Usually averted only when there isn't even a candidate worthy of being considered a successor, even by a long shot. Some sports franchises go long periods of time without a "face of the franchise" type after the departure of a particularly memorable one. Fans of the Boston Celtics, Miami Dolphins, and Chicago Bulls, among others, should know all about this. More recently, the post-Jeter New York Yankees and post-Kobe Lakers seem likely to endure such a run, with little or no end in sight.

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* Whenever a prominent/legendary athlete retires or leaves his longtime team via a trade or free agency, his replacement at that position is almost certain to become this. We say "almost", because the replacement could become legendary in his own right (see Steve Young replacing Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers replacing Brett Favre, Cory Schneider replacing Martin Brodeur or Andrew Luck replacing Creator/PeytonManning, for instance). Usually averted only when there isn't even a candidate worthy of being considered a successor, even by a long shot. Some sports franchises go long periods of time without a "face of the franchise" type after the departure of a particularly memorable one. Fans of the Boston Celtics, Miami Dolphins, and Chicago Bulls, among others, should know all about this. More recently, the post-Jeter New York Yankees and post-Kobe Lakers seem likely to endure such a run, with little or no end in sight.
10th Nov '16 6:46:48 PM TitoMosquito
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** Though with the color schemes, it's a bit more justified: the Classics figures are of the G1 characters (the G1 DreamwaveComics series was underway) with today's toy technology - in the 80s, "transformation" sometimes meant "stand it on its side," and a lot of characters didn't look like their toys, to the point where you simply ''can't have'' your favorite in toy form; just some ''thing'' that turns into a vehicle that's vaguely similar if you squint. The fandom then heard that all their favorites were getting more accurate and poseable and generally awesomer figures... and then they see that they've been given "improved" color schemes that ''brought them right back down to'' "I can't have Powerglide, just something that turns into a similar vehicle." See Twilight Sparkle above. However, almost all of those figures have since had show-accurate repaints.

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** Though with the color schemes, it's a bit more justified: the Classics figures are of the G1 characters (the G1 DreamwaveComics [[ComicBook/TransformersGenerationOne Dreamwave Comics]] series was underway) with today's toy technology - in the 80s, "transformation" sometimes meant "stand it on its side," and a lot of characters didn't look like their toys, to the point where you simply ''can't have'' your favorite in toy form; just some ''thing'' that turns into a vehicle that's vaguely similar if you squint. The fandom then heard that all their favorites were getting more accurate and poseable and generally awesomer figures... and then they see that they've been given "improved" color schemes that ''brought them right back down to'' "I can't have Powerglide, just something that turns into a similar vehicle." See Twilight Sparkle above. However, almost all of those figures have since had show-accurate repaints.
10th Nov '16 12:03:47 AM Twentington
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** In the 1990-91 season, ''Joker'' also got a {{Re Tool}}ed revival, helmed by Pat Finn. While the rule changes were somewhat more accepted than those of ''Tic-Tac-Dough'', Finn was also seen as an example of this trope, as some felt that he was too dry and monotone, particularly the way he droned "as you know, ''The Joker's Wild'' is a game of definitions" in the BonusRound. However, this may be an example of being restrained by the format, as general reception to Finn as a host has warmed up considerably, as evidenced by his work on ''Series/ShopTilYouDrop'' and ''Series/TheBigSpin''.
1st Nov '16 9:33:22 PM Twentington
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*** Among those who filled in after Rod's death, Daniel Rosen was universally ''hated'' by both the fandom for a serious lack of enthusiasm. Two points of contention were an episode where he said "Uh" before the OpeningNarration, and another where he announced the $10,000 prize in Punch-a-Bunch with absolutely no enthusiasm whatsoever. Fans also noted that Rosen seemed to be imitating Rod at times by wearing loud clothing and drawing out his name when signing off, while Website/GameShowGarbage pointed out that Rosen had to redo a lot of his prize copy in post. He also supposedly {{astro turf}}ed fan forum Golden-Road.net with about 50 sockpuppets praising his own performance. However, he must have gotten better, as he is one of the rotating announcers for ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Price_Is_Right_Live! The Price Is Right Live!]]'', a live production which puts on mock games of ''Price'' in casinos.

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*** Among those who filled in after Rod's death, Daniel Rosen was universally ''hated'' by both the fandom for a serious lack of enthusiasm. Two points of contention were an enthusiasm and general sloppiness. One episode where has him completely deadpan the intro to Punch-a-Bunch, at least two sources verify that Rosen had to redo a few prize descriptions in post because no one could hear him, and on one of his first episodes, he clearly said "Uh" "uh" before the OpeningNarration, and another where he announced the $10,000 prize in Punch-a-Bunch with absolutely no enthusiasm whatsoever. OpeningNarration. Fans also noted that Rosen seemed to be imitating Rod at times by wearing loud clothing and drawing out his name when signing off, while Website/GameShowGarbage pointed out that Rosen had to redo a lot of his prize copy in post.off. He also supposedly {{astro turf}}ed fan forum Golden-Road.net with about 50 sockpuppets praising his own performance. However, he must have gotten better, as he is one of the rotating announcers for ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Price_Is_Right_Live! The ''The Price Is Right Live!]]'', Live!'', a live production which puts on mock games of ''Price'' in casinos.



*** Rich Fields himself started to become this over time, in part because he was picked over fan favorite Randy West[[note]](a genre veteran who had been a contestant on several shows before his announcing career, and is known for interacting well with the game show fan base as a whole; he was also close friends with Johnny Olson)[[/note]], and in part because many felt that Rich did not have a good voice particularly in later years, when he became increasingly [[NoIndoorVoice loud and grating]].
*** After Rich was fired, six more substitutes rotated until George Gray became the successor. Among the substitutes, Steve White and Brad Sherwood were hated for their fake enthusiasm, and former ''Series/ShopTilYouDrop'' host JD Roberto was seen as SoOkayItsAverage but lost points for insulting a contestant (although he later got to announce the 2012 revival of ''Series/{{Pyramid}}'').

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*** Rich Fields himself started to become this over time, in part because he was picked over fan favorite Randy West[[note]](a genre veteran who had been a contestant on several shows before his announcing career, and is known for interacting well with the game show fan base as a whole; he was also close friends with Johnny Olson)[[/note]], West, and in part because many felt that Rich did not have a good voice particularly in later years, when he became increasingly [[NoIndoorVoice loud and grating]].
*** After Rich was fired, six more substitutes rotated until George Gray became the successor. Among the substitutes, Steve White and Brad Sherwood were hated for their fake enthusiasm, and enthusiasm (and White even more so for his inane nicknames for Drew), while former ''Series/ShopTilYouDrop'' host JD Roberto was seen as SoOkayItsAverage but lost points for insulting a contestant (although he later got to announce the 2012 revival of ''Series/{{Pyramid}}'').



* Brad Sherwood was previously hated for his fake enthusiasm and excessive joking around when he took the reins of a ''Series/TheDatingGame'' revival in TheNineties. As a result, he was replaced by Chuck Woolery, who fit the show like a glove due to his experience on the similar ''Series/LoveConnection''.

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* Brad Sherwood was previously hated for his fake enthusiasm and excessive joking around when he took the reins hosted a revival of a ''Series/TheDatingGame'' revival in TheNineties. As a result, he was replaced by veteran game show host Chuck Woolery, who fit the show like a glove due to his experience on the similar ''Series/LoveConnection''.fared ''far'' better.



* Pat Bullard had this happen twice when he took over the 1998 revival of ''Series/LoveConnection'', and three years later when he helmed another revival of ''Series/CardSharks''. On both shows, he was derided for being wooden, bland, and unfunny, while the former show also showed that his interviewing skills and charm paled in comparison to the original hosts (Chuck Woolery on the former and Jim Perry/Bob Eubanks on the latter).

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* Pat Bullard had this happen twice when he took over the 1998 revival of ''Series/LoveConnection'', and three years later when he helmed another revival of ''Series/CardSharks''. On both shows, he was derided for being wooden, bland, and unfunny, while the former show also showed that his interviewing skills and charm paled in comparison to the original hosts (Chuck Woolery unfunny. This ''especially'' stood out on the former and Jim Perry/Bob Eubanks on the latter).a more host-driven format like ''Love Connection'', where he clearly had none of Chuck Woolery's charm, charisma, or humor.



** Sajak stepped down from the daytime version in January 1989 because he wanted to begin [[Series/ThePatSajakShow a talk show]]. Creator Creator/MervGriffin replaced him with Rolf Bernischke, a former football player who had no TV experience and was visibly out of his element; among other things, he had to admit on-air that he didn't know how to break a tie when one happened[[note]](to his credit, ties are extremely rare on ''Wheel'')[[/note]], and once had a contestant correct him on one of the game's rules... during a Teen Week. After only six months, the daytime version {{Channel Hop}}ped to Creator/{{CBS}} and replaced Rolf with the more experienced Bob Goen, who was able to carry it for a three years (counting a hop back to NBC) before daytime game shows fell by the wayside.
** After [[TheAnnouncer announcer]] Jack Clark died of cancer in 1988, he was replaced by Los Angeles deejay M.G. Kelly. Kelly is generally hated by the fanbase for a supposed lack of enthusiasm. Pat also thought that M.G. was a nice guy, but felt that he was not suited for the job, as he often screwed up prize copy and had to do multiple re-takes. Kelly left the show in February 1989 when Clark's predecessor, Charlie O'Donnell, returned.
** A similar hatred came for those who filled in after Charlie's death in November 2010. Veteran announcers John Cramer, Joe Cipriano, and Rich Fields (then-recently fired from his position at ''Series/ThePriceIsRight'') were generally hated for their own lack of enthusiasm (surprising, given Rich's derision for the exact opposite problem on ''Price''), as was extremely obscure voiceover artist Lora Cain.[[note]](Johnny Gilbert of ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'', who had previously filled in for Jack in 1988 and Charlie in 1995, also did three weeks, but was obviously never considered for the job -- in addition to still holding down the fort at ''Jeopardy!'', he is also considerably older.)[[/note]] This put the fanbase almost unanimously in favor of Jim Thornton, who got the job in summer 2011.

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** Sajak stepped down from the daytime version in January 1989 because he wanted to begin [[Series/ThePatSajakShow a talk show]]. Creator Creator/MervGriffin replaced him with Rolf Bernischke, a former football player who had no TV experience and was visibly out of his element; among other things, element. While he seemed genial toward the contestants, he often looked lost and nervous, and constantly made mistakes on-air. On one episode, he had to admit on-air that he didn't know how to break a tie when one happened[[note]](to his credit, ties are extremely rare on ''Wheel'')[[/note]], and once had on another, a contestant correct corrected him on one of the game's rules... during a Teen Week. After only six months, the daytime version {{Channel Hop}}ped to Creator/{{CBS}} and replaced Rolf with the more experienced Bob Goen, who was able to carry it for a three years (counting a hop back to NBC) before daytime game shows fell by the wayside.
** After [[TheAnnouncer announcer]] Jack Clark died of cancer in 1988, he was replaced by Los Angeles deejay M.G. Kelly. Kelly is generally hated by the fanbase for a supposed lack of enthusiasm. being way too mellow. Pat also thought pointed out in an interview that M.G. was a nice guy, but felt that he was not suited for the job, as he often screwed up prize copy and Kelly frequently had to do multiple re-takes.re-do his copy in post because he kept making mistakes. Kelly left the show in February 1989 when Clark's predecessor, Charlie O'Donnell, returned.
** A similar hatred came for those who filled in after Charlie's death in November 2010. Veteran announcers John Cramer, Joe Cipriano, and Rich Fields (then-recently fired from his position at ''Series/ThePriceIsRight'') were generally hated for their own lack of enthusiasm (surprising, given Rich's derision for the exact opposite problem on ''Price''), as was extremely obscure voiceover artist Lora Cain.[[note]](Johnny Gilbert of ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'', who had previously filled in for Jack in 1988 and Charlie in 1995, also did three weeks, but was obviously never considered for the job -- in addition to still holding down the fort at ''Jeopardy!'', he is also considerably older.older than Charlie.)[[/note]] This put the fanbase almost unanimously in favor of Jim Thornton, who got the job in summer 2011.
31st Oct '16 12:20:39 PM Twentington
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*** Of all people, veteran announcer Gene Wood was considered one of these when he filled in after Johnny's death; although he had been behind the mic of dozens of game shows, many fans felt that his style was too laid-back for ''Price''.

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*** Of all people, veteran announcer Gene Wood was considered one of these when he filled in after Johnny's death; although he had been behind death. Wood was probably the mic of dozens of most prolific game shows, show announcer besides Olson himself, but many fans felt that his style was just too laid-back for ''Price''.



*** Rod's increasing illness in the late 90s-early 2000s resulted in many fill-ins by Burton Richardson, best known for announcing ''The Arsenio Hall Show'' and the short-lived 1994 syndicated version of ''Price'' hosted by Doug Davidson. He is sometimes criticized for sounding like an overblown parody of a game show announcer and ridiculously drawing out his words.

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*** Rod's increasing illness in the late 90s-early 2000s resulted in many fill-ins by Burton Richardson, best known for announcing ''The Arsenio Hall Show'' and the short-lived 1994 syndicated version of ''Price'' hosted by Doug Davidson. He is sometimes criticized for sounding like an overblown parody of a game show announcer and ridiculously over-enunciating and drawing out his words.words to the point that some think he sounds like a caricature of a game show announcer.



*** Among those who filled in after Rod's death, Daniel Rosen was universally ''hated'' by both the fandom and the staff for a serious lack of enthusiasm, along with {{Astro Turf}}ing fan forum Golden-Road.net with about 50 sockpuppets praising his own performance. However, he must have gotten better, as he is one of the rotating announcers for ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Price_Is_Right_Live! The Price Is Right Live!]]'', a live production which puts on mock games of ''Price'' in casinos.

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*** Among those who filled in after Rod's death, Daniel Rosen was universally ''hated'' by both the fandom and the staff for a serious lack of enthusiasm, along enthusiasm. Two points of contention were an episode where he said "Uh" before the OpeningNarration, and another where he announced the $10,000 prize in Punch-a-Bunch with {{Astro Turf}}ing absolutely no enthusiasm whatsoever. Fans also noted that Rosen seemed to be imitating Rod at times by wearing loud clothing and drawing out his name when signing off, while Website/GameShowGarbage pointed out that Rosen had to redo a lot of his prize copy in post. He also supposedly {{astro turf}}ed fan forum Golden-Road.net with about 50 sockpuppets praising his own performance. However, he must have gotten better, as he is one of the rotating announcers for ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Price_Is_Right_Live! The Price Is Right Live!]]'', a live production which puts on mock games of ''Price'' in casinos.
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