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26th Nov '17 5:37:26 PM StarSong212
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* Wiccans, as well as other pagan and neo-pagan religions, do use ritual magic to varying degrees. The mistake Hollywood and literature generally makes is thinking that the magic is the point. Actually, the magic comes in more of a consequence of the world view than anything else: the idea is that the world is a spiritual place, and the supernatural has an effect on the ordinary world. Since as a witch you are supposed to know something about the supernatural, you can use that knowledge to help yourself or others.

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* Wiccans, as well as other pagan and neo-pagan religions, do use ritual magic to varying degrees. The mistake Hollywood and literature generally makes is thinking that the magic is the point. Actually, the magic comes in more of a consequence of the world view than anything else: the idea is that the world is a spiritual place, and the supernatural has an effect on the ordinary world. Since as a witch you are supposed to know something about the supernatural, you can use that knowledge to help yourself or others. However, the effects of ritual magic (sometimes spelled as magick to distinguish it from fantasy magic or sleight of hand) are somewhat limited to things that can disguise themselves as coincidences. A simple way to think of pagan ritual magic is as "giving the universe a nudge in the right direction".
18th Nov '17 2:30:35 AM AdamC
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* By WordOfGod, TheForce in ''Franchise/StarWars'' is supposed to represent spirituality or religions in general or something. That makes sense when you think about how the Jedi regard it, but when you look at what they can do with it, it makes it seem like an overdose of this trope. It even gets called a outdated religion by an Empire guy who gets the iconic Force-choke and Vader is disturbed by his "lack of faith." KnightTemplar Vader!

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* By WordOfGod, TheForce in ''Franchise/StarWars'' is supposed to represent spirituality or religions in general or something.something (Mark Hammil described it as "Religion's greatest hits."). That makes sense when you think about how the Jedi regard it, but when you look at what they can do with it, it makes it seem like an overdose of this trope. It even gets called a outdated religion by an Empire guy who gets the iconic Force-choke and Vader is disturbed by his "lack of faith." KnightTemplar Vader!
10th Nov '17 2:53:12 AM Smeagol17
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Faith and power have always gone hand in hand, and not just power in the spiritual and social senses -- religion and magic were the ''same thing'' for [[TheOldestOnesInTheBook most of the world's history]]. Every religion's most devoted practitioners are associated with supernatural powers -- often by people within the religion itself, and almost universally by those outside it. Going the other direction, having magical powers has, historically, meant that person was associated with some sort of supernatural entity, whether calling upon the gods or consorting with the Devil. The exception of Greek mythology, where magic was the "art of controlling the secret forces of the cosmos" but even here priests still begged higher powers for favor.

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Faith and power have always gone hand in hand, and not just power in the spiritual and social senses -- religion and magic were the ''same thing'' for [[TheOldestOnesInTheBook most of the world's history]]. Every religion's most devoted practitioners are associated with supernatural powers -- often by people within the religion itself, and almost universally by those outside it. Going the other direction, having magical powers has, historically, meant that person was associated with some sort of supernatural entity, whether calling upon the gods or consorting with the Devil. The exception of is Greek mythology, where magic was the "art of controlling the secret forces of the cosmos" but even here there priests still begged higher powers for favor.
11th Oct '17 2:41:02 AM Morgenthaler
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27th Sep '17 1:22:50 PM Necrodomo
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* Praying to the [[CouncilOfAngels Good Elder Powers]] in ''[[NexusWar Nexus Clash]]'' grants predictable, albeit random, benefits. There's even a skill tree that makes prayer quicker, easier and more rewarding.
27th Sep '17 6:06:27 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/StargateSG1'':
** Subverted by the Goa'uld, who pose as gods but simply use advanced technology to appear supernatural to their subjects.
** Played straight by the Ori, who gift their priests (Priors) with an array of superpowers such as levitation, telekinesis, healing powers, and a StaffOfAuthority that can shoot energy.
5th Sep '17 5:33:20 PM CharlesPhipps
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* The kooky holy man from ''Film/TheJewelOfTheNile'' may or may not have walked through fire without harm; certainly it ''looks'' like he does, and the locals who witness this feat believe it's a miracle, but it could just be the camera angle.

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* The kooky holy man from ''Film/TheJewelOfTheNile'' may or may not have walked through fire without harm; certainly it ''looks'' like he does, and the locals who witness this feat believe it's a miracle, but it could just be the camera angle. The Jewel (it's his title) is, notably a MaybeMagicMaybeMundane sort of fellow, but is also an Iman who is believed can perform miracles to the point the villain (based on Saddam Hussein) wants to be able to fake them with special effects.
18th Aug '17 7:15:20 PM Fireblood
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The Bible began to split the two concepts apart -- it mentions followers of "false gods" being able to perform magic, usually in contrast to much more impressive miracles(though this can be said to be a type of magic) performed by God (and explicitly ''not'' performed by the prophet himself), but generally explains this as power granted [[DealWithTheDevil by the Devil]].

The modern idea of a 'wizard' -- somebody who can just ''do'' magic entirely on their own, whether born with the gift or trained in mystic arts -- originated in ancient Greece, where it eventually died out, only to later redevelop in the 20th century, and was not solidified until ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' made a strong distinction between Priests and Magic Users ("divine" and "arcane" magic, respectively). The increasing importance of science and technology in our world has trained people to think of even amazing and wonderful events as being under human control and within human understanding, and our concept of magic has similarly changed into something closer to "[[ClarksThirdLaw science we don't understand]]", with [[MagicAIsMagicA comprehensible, repeatable rules]], rather than begging for favors from entities greater than us. [[DealWithTheDevil Though that may still be an option.]]

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The Bible began to split the two concepts apart -- it mentions followers of "false gods" being able to perform magic, usually in contrast to much more impressive miracles(though miracles (though this can be said to be a type of magic) performed by God (and explicitly ''not'' performed by the prophet himself), but generally explains this as power granted [[DealWithTheDevil by the Devil]].

The modern idea of a 'wizard' -- somebody who can just ''do'' magic entirely on their own, whether born with the gift or trained in mystic arts -- originated in ancient Greece, where it eventually died out, only to later redevelop in the 20th century, and was not solidified until ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' made a strong distinction between Priests and Magic Users ("divine" and "arcane" magic, respectively). The increasing importance of science and technology in our world has trained people to think of even amazing and wonderful events as being under human control and within human understanding, and our concept of magic has similarly changed into something closer to "[[ClarksThirdLaw science we don't understand]]", with [[MagicAIsMagicA comprehensible, repeatable rules]], rather than begging for favors from entities greater than us. [[DealWithTheDevil Though us ([[DealWithTheDevil though that may still be an option.]]
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1st Aug '17 12:36:56 PM CosmicFerret
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* The ''DragonQuest'' series is built around this trope. The priest class does all the healing. In ''VideoGame/DragonQuestVIII'', your main healer used to be a member of the clergy, and has maintained his healing powers. In general, all [[StealthPun saving]] is done via a church, where confessing to a priest allows "The Goddess" to grant you respite from your journey, allowing you to save and quit. The priests also offer a number of other services- namely; Divination (which tells you how much experience you need to level up), Purification (which removes curses), Benediction (which removes poison), and ''Resurrection'', which does exactly what it says it does. Priests have the power to bring people back to life. Wowzers.

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* The ''DragonQuest'' ''VideoGame/DragonQuest'' series is built around this trope. The priest class does all the healing. In ''VideoGame/DragonQuestVIII'', your main healer used to be a member of the clergy, and has maintained his healing powers. In general, all [[StealthPun saving]] is done via a church, where confessing to a priest allows "The Goddess" to grant you respite from your journey, allowing you to save and quit. The priests also offer a number of other services- namely; Divination (which tells you how much experience you need to level up), Purification (which removes curses), Benediction (which removes poison), and ''Resurrection'', which does exactly what it says it does. Priests have the power to bring people back to life. Wowzers.
12th Jul '17 5:23:20 AM LadyJaneGrey
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Subtropes of Religion Is Magic include FantasticCatholicism, MagicalNativeAmerican, HollywoodVoodoo, AsianRuneChant, and SentientCosmicForce.


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Subtropes of Religion Is Magic include FantasticCatholicism, MagicalNativeAmerican, HollywoodVoodoo, AsianRuneChant, and SentientCosmicForce.

SentientCosmicForce. Compare AlchemyIsMagic.



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* The basic plot of ''Film/TheSerpentAndTheRainbow'' is portraying ''voodoo'' as black sorcery; using potions to raise the dead, summoning dark spirits, and DemonicPossession are all present.
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