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21st May '18 9:11:41 PM ThatTwerp
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* In ''Theatre/WaterworldALiveSeaWarSpectacular'' at Ride/UniversalStudios, the machine gun that the Deacon uses against the Mariner conveniently ends up failing twice, at first it jams, and later it flat-out malfunctions.
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17th May '18 4:55:35 PM Kadorhal
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* The MG 42 and its post-war progeny, as mentioned above, was primarily an excellent design, but there was one poor variant - the US military briefly experimented with MG 42s converted to .30-06 Springfield following the war. In the same manner as one of the many issues with Chauchats converted to the cartridge above, the design team [[WhatAnIdiot failed to account for .30-06 (7.62x63mmR) being six millimeters longer than the weapon's original 8mm Mauser cartridge (7.92x57mm) when converting them]], thus failing to increase the length of the receiver for the new cartridge and making weapons that were completely incapable of properly cycling after a single shot.

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* The MG 42 and its post-war progeny, as mentioned above, was primarily an excellent design, but there was one poor variant - the US military briefly experimented with MG 42s converted to .30-06 Springfield following late in the war.war, the T24 machine gun. In the same manner as one of the many issues with Chauchats converted to the cartridge above, the design team [[WhatAnIdiot failed to account for .30-06 (7.62x63mmR) being six millimeters longer than the weapon's original 8mm Mauser cartridge (7.92x57mm) when converting them]], thus failing to increase the length of the receiver for the new cartridge and making weapons that cartridge - when the two prototypes were completely test-fired, neither of them were able to fire more than a single bullet before they jammed, because they were physically incapable of properly cycling after a single shot.ejecting the cartridges.
11th May '18 2:38:01 AM Wuz
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* The [[https://stateofguns.com/usfa-zip-potential-improvement-2052/ USFA ZiP Gun]] is a unique polymer .22 LR pistol with a lot of issues caused by its uniqueness. It is made largely out of polymer parts (even the bolt is plastic) and is compact to the extreme. There are no grips, no slides, and no external bolt parts. To cock the weapon, two external charging rods placed on top of the muzzle, one of which charges the weapon when pressed (this should raise some alarms for any people with basic firearm safety knowledge). The result of this compact design is that the gun has malfunctions ''constantly'', even more than the Chauchat and the Breda M30, ''even under ideal conditions''. It has consistent issues with extracting a casing, in some cases resulting in the casing being stuck ''sideways''. It has issues with using 25-round .22 LR magazines because they feed too slowly thus causing feed failures. It has problems with some powerful cartridges, in the worst case causing every fourth shot to jam and ''cracking the gun'' after 26 shots. The trigger force needed is too heavy, the ergonomics are ridiculous, its small size meant that escaping hot gases rushed right into the shooter's hands causing injuries. Finally, how do you clear jams with this gun? You reach over the muzzle (remember that safety thing mentioned earlier?) and press the other charging rod which resets the striker. To top it all off, sometimes it ''doesn't work'' and only works when it is pushed to the point where the next round in the magazine is stripped, causing a double feed. It is so unreliable that almost all users reported that it can barely get through one 10-round magazine without jamming, with cases where all 10 rounds are fired without jamming being an ''anomaly'' instead of the norm.

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* The [[https://stateofguns.com/usfa-zip-potential-improvement-2052/ USFA ZiP Gun]] is a unique polymer .22 LR pistol with a lot of issues caused by its uniqueness. It is made largely out of polymer parts (even the bolt is plastic) and is compact to the extreme. There are no grips, no slides, and no external bolt parts. To cock the weapon, two external charging rods placed on top of the muzzle, one of which charges the weapon when pressed (this should raise some alarms for any people with basic firearm safety knowledge). The result of this compact design is that the gun has malfunctions ''constantly'', even more than the Chauchat and the Breda M30, ''even under ideal conditions''. It has consistent issues with extracting a casing, ejection, in some cases resulting in the casing being stuck ''sideways''. It has issues with using 25-round .22 LR magazines because they feed too slowly thus causing feed failures. It has problems with some powerful cartridges, in the worst case causing every fourth shot to jam and ''cracking the gun'' after 26 shots. The trigger force needed is too heavy, the ergonomics are ridiculous, its small size meant that escaping hot gases rushed right into the shooter's hands causing injuries. Finally, how do you clear jams with this gun? You reach over the muzzle (remember that safety thing mentioned earlier?) and press the other charging rod which resets the striker. To top it all off, sometimes it ''doesn't work'' and only works when it is pushed to the point where the next round in the magazine is stripped, causing a double feed. It is so unreliable that almost all users reported that it can barely get through one 10-round magazine without jamming, with cases where all 10 rounds are fired without jamming being an ''anomaly'' instead of the norm.
11th May '18 2:32:01 AM Wuz
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* The [[https://stateofguns.com/usfa-zip-potential-improvement-2052/ USFA ZiP Gun]] is a unique polymer .22 LR pistol with a lot of issues caused by its uniqueness. It is made largely out of polymer parts (even the bolt is plastic) and is compact to the extreme. There are no grips, no slides, and no external bolt parts. To cock the weapon, two external charging rods placed on top of the muzzle, one of which charges the weapon when pressed (this should raise some alarms for any people with basic firearm safety knowledge). The result of this compact design is that the gun has feed failures, double feeds, and jams ''constantly'', even more than the Chauchat and the Breda M30, ''even under ideal conditions''. It has issues with using 25-round .22 LR magazines because they feed too slowly thus causing feed failures. It has problems with some powerful cartridges, in the worst case causing every fourth shot to jam and ''cracking the gun'' after 26 shots. The trigger force needed is too heavy, the ergonomics are ridiculous, its small size meant that escaping hot gases rushed right into the shooter's hands causing injuries. Finally, how do you clear jams with this gun? You reach over the muzzle (remember that safety thing mentioned earlier?) and press the other charging rod which resets the striker. To top it all off, sometimes it ''doesn't work'' and only works when it is pushed to the point where the next round in the magazine is stripped, causing a double feed. It is so unreliable that almost all users reported that it can barely get through one 10-round magazine without jamming, with cases where all 10 rounds are fired without jamming being an ''anomaly'' instead of the norm.

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* The [[https://stateofguns.com/usfa-zip-potential-improvement-2052/ USFA ZiP Gun]] is a unique polymer .22 LR pistol with a lot of issues caused by its uniqueness. It is made largely out of polymer parts (even the bolt is plastic) and is compact to the extreme. There are no grips, no slides, and no external bolt parts. To cock the weapon, two external charging rods placed on top of the muzzle, one of which charges the weapon when pressed (this should raise some alarms for any people with basic firearm safety knowledge). The result of this compact design is that the gun has feed failures, double feeds, and jams malfunctions ''constantly'', even more than the Chauchat and the Breda M30, ''even under ideal conditions''.conditions''. It has consistent issues with extracting a casing, in some cases resulting in the casing being stuck ''sideways''. It has issues with using 25-round .22 LR magazines because they feed too slowly thus causing feed failures. It has problems with some powerful cartridges, in the worst case causing every fourth shot to jam and ''cracking the gun'' after 26 shots. The trigger force needed is too heavy, the ergonomics are ridiculous, its small size meant that escaping hot gases rushed right into the shooter's hands causing injuries. Finally, how do you clear jams with this gun? You reach over the muzzle (remember that safety thing mentioned earlier?) and press the other charging rod which resets the striker. To top it all off, sometimes it ''doesn't work'' and only works when it is pushed to the point where the next round in the magazine is stripped, causing a double feed. It is so unreliable that almost all users reported that it can barely get through one 10-round magazine without jamming, with cases where all 10 rounds are fired without jamming being an ''anomaly'' instead of the norm.
11th May '18 2:22:52 AM Wuz
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* The [[https://stateofguns.com/usfa-zip-potential-improvement-2052/ USFA ZiP Gun]] is a unique polymer .22 LR pistol with a lot of issues caused by its uniqueness. It is made largely out of polymer parts (even the bolt is plastic) and is compact to the extreme. There are no grips, no slides, and no external bolt parts. To cock the weapon, two external charging rods placed on top of the muzzle, one of which charges the weapon when pressed (this should raise some alarms for any people with basic firearm safety knowledge). The result of this compact design is that the gun has feed failures, double feeds, and jams ''constantly'', even more than the Chauchat and the Breda M30, ''even under ideal conditions''. It has issues with using 25-round .22 LR magazines because they feed too slowly thus causing feed failures. It has problems with some powerful cartridges, in the worst case causing every fourth shot to and ''cracking the gun'' after 26 shots. The trigger force needed is too heavy, the ergonomics are ridiculous, its small size meant that escaping hot gases rushed right into the shooter's hands causing injuries. Finally, how do you clear jams with this gun? You reach over the muzzle (remember that safety thing mentioned earlier?) and press the other charging rod which resets the striker. To top it all off, sometimes it ''doesn't work'' and only works when it is pushed to the point where the next round in the magazine is stripped, causing a double feed. It is so unreliable that almost all users reported that it can barely get through one 10-round magazine without jamming, with cases where all 10 rounds are fired without jamming being an ''anomaly'' instead of the norm.

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* The [[https://stateofguns.com/usfa-zip-potential-improvement-2052/ USFA ZiP Gun]] is a unique polymer .22 LR pistol with a lot of issues caused by its uniqueness. It is made largely out of polymer parts (even the bolt is plastic) and is compact to the extreme. There are no grips, no slides, and no external bolt parts. To cock the weapon, two external charging rods placed on top of the muzzle, one of which charges the weapon when pressed (this should raise some alarms for any people with basic firearm safety knowledge). The result of this compact design is that the gun has feed failures, double feeds, and jams ''constantly'', even more than the Chauchat and the Breda M30, ''even under ideal conditions''. It has issues with using 25-round .22 LR magazines because they feed too slowly thus causing feed failures. It has problems with some powerful cartridges, in the worst case causing every fourth shot to jam and ''cracking the gun'' after 26 shots. The trigger force needed is too heavy, the ergonomics are ridiculous, its small size meant that escaping hot gases rushed right into the shooter's hands causing injuries. Finally, how do you clear jams with this gun? You reach over the muzzle (remember that safety thing mentioned earlier?) and press the other charging rod which resets the striker. To top it all off, sometimes it ''doesn't work'' and only works when it is pushed to the point where the next round in the magazine is stripped, causing a double feed. It is so unreliable that almost all users reported that it can barely get through one 10-round magazine without jamming, with cases where all 10 rounds are fired without jamming being an ''anomaly'' instead of the norm.
11th May '18 2:21:55 AM Wuz
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* The [[https://stateofguns.com/usfa-zip-potential-improvement-2052/ USFA ZiP Gun]] is a unique polymer .22 LR pistol with a lot of issues caused by its uniqueness. It is made largely out of polymer parts (even the bolt is plastic) and is compact to the extreme. There are no grips, no slides, and no external bolt parts. To cock the weapon, two external charging rods placed on top of the muzzle, one of which charges the weapon when pressed (this should raise some alarms for any people with basic firearm safety knowledge). The result of this compact design is that the gun has feed failures, double feeds, and jams ''constantly'', even more than the Chauchat and the Breda M30, ''even under ideal conditions''. It has issues with using 25-round .22 LR magazines because they feed too slowly thus causing feed failures. It has problems with some powerful cartridges, in the worst case causing every fourth shot to and ''cracking the gun'' after 26 shots. The trigger force needed is too heavy, the ergonomics are ridiculous, its small size meant that escaping hot gases rushed right into the shooter's hands causing injuries. Finally, how do you clear jams with this gun? You reach over the muzzle (remember that safety thing mentioned earlier?) and press the other charging rod which resets the striker. To top it all off, sometimes it ''doesn't work'' and only works when it is pushed to the point where the next round in the magazine is stripped, causing a double feed.

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* The [[https://stateofguns.com/usfa-zip-potential-improvement-2052/ USFA ZiP Gun]] is a unique polymer .22 LR pistol with a lot of issues caused by its uniqueness. It is made largely out of polymer parts (even the bolt is plastic) and is compact to the extreme. There are no grips, no slides, and no external bolt parts. To cock the weapon, two external charging rods placed on top of the muzzle, one of which charges the weapon when pressed (this should raise some alarms for any people with basic firearm safety knowledge). The result of this compact design is that the gun has feed failures, double feeds, and jams ''constantly'', even more than the Chauchat and the Breda M30, ''even under ideal conditions''. It has issues with using 25-round .22 LR magazines because they feed too slowly thus causing feed failures. It has problems with some powerful cartridges, in the worst case causing every fourth shot to and ''cracking the gun'' after 26 shots. The trigger force needed is too heavy, the ergonomics are ridiculous, its small size meant that escaping hot gases rushed right into the shooter's hands causing injuries. Finally, how do you clear jams with this gun? You reach over the muzzle (remember that safety thing mentioned earlier?) and press the other charging rod which resets the striker. To top it all off, sometimes it ''doesn't work'' and only works when it is pushed to the point where the next round in the magazine is stripped, causing a double feed. It is so unreliable that almost all users reported that it can barely get through one 10-round magazine without jamming, with cases where all 10 rounds are fired without jamming being an ''anomaly'' instead of the norm.
11th May '18 2:19:52 AM Wuz
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* The [[https://stateofguns.com/usfa-zip-potential-improvement-2052/ USFA ZiP Gun]] is a unique polymer .22 LR pistol with a lot of issues caused by its uniqueness. It is made largely out of polymer parts (even the bolt is plastic) and is compact to the extreme. There are no grips, no slides, and no external bolt parts. To cock the weapon, two external charging rods placed on top of the muzzle, one of which charges the weapon when pressed (this should raise some alarms for any people with basic firearm safety knowledge). The result of this compact design is that the gun has feed failures, double feeds, and jams ''constantly'', even more than the Chauchat and the Breda M30, ''even under ideal conditions''. It has issues with using 25-round .22 LR magazines because they feed too slowly thus causing feed failures. It has problems with some powerful cartridges, in the worst case causing every fourth shot to and ''cracking the gun'' after 26 shots. The trigger force needed is too heavy, the ergonomics are ridiculous, its small size meant that escaping hot gases rushed right into the shooter's hands causing injuries. Finally, how do you clear jams with this gun? You reach over the muzzle (remember that safety thing mentioned earlier?) and press the other charging rod which resets the striker. To top it all off, sometimes it ''doesn't work'' and only works when it is pushed to the point where the next round in the magazine is stripped, causing a double feed.
9th May '18 3:26:26 PM tommythegun
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** SIG is starting to develop a worrisome reputation for this, or at least its Exeter, New Hampshire plant is. Its 2018 follow-up to the P320, the eagerly-anticipated P365 that is SIG's entry to the very popular 9mm micro-compact market (where it competes with guns like the Smith & Wesson Shield and Glock 43), has been reported to have various issues including returning to battery, barrels warping, and broken firing pins after less than a month on the market. SIG is fixing issues as customers report them, and supposedly has been retooling production to correct these issues, but it hasn't stopped them from being accused of letting their customers do "beta testing" on an unfinished product.

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** SIG is starting to develop a worrisome reputation for this, or at least its Exeter, New Hampshire plant is. Its 2018 follow-up to the P320, the eagerly-anticipated P365 that is SIG's entry to the very popular 9mm micro-compact market (where it competes with guns like the Smith & Wesson Shield and Glock 43), has been reported to have various issues including returning to battery, barrels warping, and broken firing pins after less than a month on the market. SIG is fixing issues guns under warranty as customers report them, problems, and supposedly has been retooling production to correct these issues, but it hasn't stopped them from being accused of letting their customers do "beta testing" on an unfinished product.products. Some of these issues may be due to the P320 and P365 representing a significant shift in design philosophy for SIG, from its traditional steel-framed, hammer-fired guns to polymer-framed, striker-fired guns (that are $300-$500 cheaper). But given the company's heavy presence in the law enforcement and (now) military markets, quality control issues are an ominous development.
9th May '18 3:11:36 PM tommythegun
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** SIG is starting to develop a worrisome reputation for this, or at least its Exeter, New Hampshire plant is. Its 2018 follow-up to the P320, the eagerly-anticipated P365 that is SIG's entry to the very popular 9mm micro-compact market (where it competes with guns like the Smith & Wesson Shield and Glock 43), has been reported to have various issues including returning to battery, barrels warping, and broken firing pins after less than a month on the market. SIG is fixing issues as customers report them, and supposedly has been retooling production to correct these issues, but it hasn't stopped them from being accused of letting their customers do "beta testing" on an unfinished product.
27th Apr '18 6:32:12 PM JackTheHammer
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** A few days later on August 7, 2017, a [[https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_bcq0WcWuxWN3l1SHkwQ243TWs/view lawsuit]] suddenly surfaced that had been filed on August 4 by a Stamford, Connecticut [[SWATTeam Special Response Team]] officer who claimed he had been seriously injured when his P320 had shot him in the leg after it dropped ''while the gun was still in its holster.'' [[HumiliationConga The same day this was revealed]], the firearms retailer Omaha Outdoors [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA released a video]] proving the gun was not drop-safe and announced they were suspending all sales of the P320. The cause was '''tentatively''' determined to be because the P320's trigger is heavier than what a trigger on a polymer-framed gun would normally be, and because of this, when dropped at an angle that allows the slide to hit the ground, the trigger will move just far enough back to discharge a shot. The one P320 variant that did not fire at all when dropped was the P320 X-Five, a version of the firearm that has a lighter trigger. [[labelnote:note]]Other polymer guns such as Glocks or the Smith and Wesson M&P avoid this by having light triggers and some kind of safety on it that requires actual pressure on the front to move the trigger back; the P320 has no such safety.[[/labelnote]] In response, SIG [[https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/sig-sauer-issues-voluntary-upgrade-p320-pistol/ issued a press release]] claiming they would offer a to-be-determined "voluntary upgrade" of all P320 pistols, which later turned out to be a free modification to the trigger to make it heavier. It didn't stop a whole slew of videos uploaded to Youtube of other P320 owners testing to see if their guns were drop-safe... and more often than not, they weren't. One video [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfe9silCIm8 shows the P320 firing even when dropped right-side up]].

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** A few days later on August 7, 2017, a [[https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_bcq0WcWuxWN3l1SHkwQ243TWs/view lawsuit]] suddenly surfaced that had been filed on August 4 by a Stamford, Connecticut [[SWATTeam Special Response Team]] officer who claimed he had been seriously injured when his P320 had shot him in the leg after it dropped ''while the gun was still in its holster.'' [[HumiliationConga The same day this was revealed]], the firearms retailer Omaha Outdoors [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA released a video]] proving the gun was not drop-safe and announced they were suspending all sales of the P320. The cause was '''tentatively''' determined to be because the P320's trigger is heavier than what a trigger on a polymer-framed gun would normally be, and because of this, when dropped at an angle that allows the slide to hit the ground, the trigger will move just far enough back to discharge a shot. The one P320 variant that did not fire at all when dropped was the P320 X-Five, a version of the firearm that has a lighter trigger. [[labelnote:note]]Other polymer guns such as Glocks or the Smith and Wesson M&P avoid this by having light triggers and some kind of safety on it that requires actual pressure on the front to move the trigger back; the P320 has no such safety.[[/labelnote]] In response, SIG [[https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/sig-sauer-issues-voluntary-upgrade-p320-pistol/ issued a press release]] claiming they would offer a to-be-determined "voluntary upgrade" of all P320 pistols, which later turned out to be a free modification to the trigger to make it heavier.lighter. It didn't stop a whole slew of videos uploaded to Youtube of other P320 owners testing to see if their guns were drop-safe... and more often than not, they weren't. One video [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfe9silCIm8 shows the P320 firing even when dropped right-side up]].
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