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* In the ''Fanfic/NiceGuyAdrien'' AU ''Put the Cat Out'', after Marinette [[TakeThisJobAndShoveIt resigns as Ladybug]] so that she won't have to deal with Chat Noir's [[EntitledToHaveYou gross sense of entitlement]] anymore, Master Fu confronts Adrien and attempts to recover the Black Cat Ring. Adrien refuses, outright ''attacking'' the Guardian while raging about how both Ladybug ''and'' Plagg belong to him, insisting that [[NeverMyFault it's all Fu's fault]].



* ''Fanfic/NiceGuyAdrien Put the Cat Out]]'': After Marinette [[TakeThisJobAndShoveIt resigns as Ladybug]] so that she won't have to deal with Chat Noir's [[EntitledToHaveYou gross sense of entitlement]] anymore, Master Fu confronts Adrien and attempts to recover the Black Cat Ring. Adrien refuses, outright ''attacking'' the Guardian while raging about how both Ladybug ''and'' Plagg belong to him.


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* ''Fanfic/ThreesACrowdNaruto'': Kakashi repeatedly refuses to address Sasuke and Uo's IneffectualLoner tendencies, dismissing it as simply "boys being stubborn and stupid" while expecting ''Sakura'' to whip them into shape, despite how both boys blatantly ignore and disrespect her. Sakura repeatedly calls him out on his flagrant {{Double Standard}}s, eventually spelling out for him that she '''refuses''' to be the only one trying to wrangle Team Seven into something that can legitimately be called a team:
-->'''Sakura:''' Despite what you may think, I don't need this team. There are at least four medics at the hospital that would likely take me on as an apprentice, especially if I showed them the skills that I've already taught myself. So from now on, I ''will not'' be the only one to put any effort into this team. Either you do your job as a sensei and ''make'' them work as a team, or you break up the team and call it a failure.
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* ''Fanfic/TheLieIveLived'': After realizing that the Goblet of Fire wasn't being watched enough to prevent somebody from slipping his name in, Harry calls out Dumbledore on the lack of surveillance.
* ''Fanfic/TheNegotiationsVerse'': Twilight loved and admired Celestia above all else, choosing to trust her mentor's judgment despite her own doubts. In ''Truth'', she confronts Celestia about how this trust led to her losing practically everyone and everything else she'd cherished, and how Celestia had lied to, misled and manipulated her.


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* ''Fanfic/PokemonMysteryDungeonSilverResistance'': Scythe is initially regarded as TheAce; over time, however, Char starts calling him out on things that he disagrees with.


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* In ''Fanfic/TheQuestForGlory'', Babs Bestie meets her old mentor Terry, who now regards her as one of his biggest regrets, as he believes he brought out the worst in her and turned her into a CompetitionFreak. Babs disagrees with his assessment and lashes out at him.

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* ''Fanfic/OperationGEAR'' has Olivia unleash one upon Matt after learning that he'd been hiding [[spoiler:how Rich had died]] from her.


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* ''Fanfic/NiceGuyAdrien Put the Cat Out]]'': After Marinette [[TakeThisJobAndShoveIt resigns as Ladybug]] so that she won't have to deal with Chat Noir's [[EntitledToHaveYou gross sense of entitlement]] anymore, Master Fu confronts Adrien and attempts to recover the Black Cat Ring. Adrien refuses, outright ''attacking'' the Guardian while raging about how both Ladybug ''and'' Plagg belong to him.


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* ''Fanfic/TeamHanabi'': ''Redress'' has Ichigo snap and call out Chatot for [[PoorCommunicationKills how poorly he handled]] the Perfect Apples incident, spelling out that she hasn't trusted him ever since.
* ''Fanfic/TruthAndConsequences'': Thanks to Master Fu's mismanagement, Ladybug and Chat Noir both became deeply [[TheResenter resentful]] of each other -- Ladybug felt that Chat Noir never took anything seriously and was spared all of the responsibility that Fu heaped upon ''her'' shoulders, while Chat Noir hated being LockedOutOfTheLoop and wanted to be treated like an ''equal'' rather feeling like her "sidekick". As it becomes increasingly apparent to the other heroes how much of this stems from Fu's poor decisions, they grow increasingly frustrated with the old Guardian. By the end of the story, [[spoiler:they all ''despise'' him, but feel forced to keep him around anyway]].

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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has Dumbledore largely avoid this in favour of general ire being directed at the far more manipulative (i.e. Dumbledore is one of his many, many pawns) Doctor Strange, particularly by Wanda, his former student and essentially foster daughter, and Harry, his prime focus (and later, [[spoiler: student]]), for his manipulative methods and extremely selective attitude to divulging the facts. Strange counters by saying that was necessary (and it's indicated that he's right), but agrees and accepts that they have every reason to be furious with him.
* ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/22875676 Divergent Points - Feast]]'': Following the events of Feast, Plagg confronts Master Fu about how his own methods have been harming Marinette and Adrien. Namely that Marinette has been drowning under the forced and sole responsibility of being the next Guardian, how Adrien feels isolated from being LockedOutOfTheLoop, and how having Plagg taken away during the events of "Feast" had reminded him of his mother's disappearance. He also points out how the MutualMasquerade rule might be a good safeguard against Hawkmoth, both heroes had benefited more from knowing each other's identities as well as having Alya and Nino as confidence, especially when dealing with their issues. Fu [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realizes what he had brought upon his chosen heroes]], and takes measures to not only apologize to Marinette and Adrien for how he treated them but also make their lives far easier for the two of them.
* ''Fanfic/TheImmortalGame'': [[spoiler: Once they're reunited, Twilight ''really'' tears into Celestia by calling her out how she manipulated Twilight to make her into the perfect soldier. Celestia tries to mend things between them, but Twilight points out that the way she's doing it is just another manipulation.]]

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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has Dumbledore largely avoid this in favour of general ire being directed at the far more manipulative (i.e. Dumbledore is one of his many, many pawns) Doctor Strange, particularly by Wanda, his former student and essentially foster daughter, and Harry, his prime focus (and later, [[spoiler: student]]), [[spoiler:student]]), for his manipulative methods and extremely selective attitude to divulging the facts. Strange counters by saying that was necessary (and it's indicated that he's right), but agrees and accepts that they have every reason to be furious with him.
* ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/22875676 Divergent Points - Feast]]'': Following the events of Feast, Plagg confronts Master Fu about how his own methods have been harming Marinette and Adrien. Namely that Marinette has been drowning under the forced and sole responsibility of being the next Guardian, how Adrien feels isolated from being LockedOutOfTheLoop, and how having Plagg taken away during the events of "Feast" had reminded him of his mother's disappearance. He also points out how that while the MutualMasquerade rule might be a good safeguard against Hawkmoth, both heroes had benefited more from knowing each other's identities as well as having Alya and Nino as confidence, confidents, especially when dealing with their issues. Fu [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realizes what he had brought upon his chosen heroes]], and takes measures to not only apologize to Marinette and Adrien for how he treated them but also make their lives far easier for the two of them.
* ''Fanfic/ForHisOwnSake'':
** Naru lashes out at Seta when he tells her how [[DisappointedInYou disappointed he is]] that she used the skills he taught her to bully and terrorize others. Naturally, this is just another case of Naru [[NeverMyFault refusing to admit]] that she's done anything wrong.
** Keitaro gets a similar moment when Seta admits to him that he'd [[spoiler:actually been using him as a way to get closer to Haruka]].
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''Fanfic/TheImmortalGame'': [[spoiler: Once [[spoiler:Once they're reunited, reunited]], Twilight ''really'' tears into Celestia by Celestia, calling her out on how she manipulated Twilight in order to make mold her into the perfect soldier. her "perfect soldier". Celestia tries attempts to mend things between them, their relationship, but Twilight points out that the way she's doing it is just another manipulation.]]''still'' trying to manipulate her.


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* ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/40396812 Snap Before You Break]]'': Izuku hits his RageBreakingPoint upon learning that [[SinkOrSwimMentor Aizawa]] expects him to work with the utterly uncooperative Katsuki for their final exam, calling him out on how he's made no effort whatsoever to curtail Katsuki's stubborn attitude and expects ''Izuku'' to work with his BarbaricBully and iron out the issues that ''Aizawa'' has refused to address. This builds into him taking Aizawa to task for his failure to support ''anyone'' in Class 1-A, having fostered an atmosphere of distrust with his "logical ruses". Later, he learns that [[TheChessmaster Principal Nedzu]] intentionally let this go on in order to see whether [[SecretTestOfCharacter Izuku would stand up for himself and his classmates]], and calls ''him'' out as well.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'': Towards the end of season two Luz, already [[TraumaCongaLine near a breaking point]], ''loses it'' when she finds out Eda plans to send her and King away from the impending fight. It's bad enough that Luz attacks her own mentor and [[ParentalSubstitute mother figure]].
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* In the Franchise/{{DCAU}}, Dick Grayson quitting as Robin and becoming Nightwing instead was a result of one of these. Although the two patched up things somewhat later, ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' implies he's still somewhat bitter about this, seventy years later.

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* In the Franchise/{{DCAU}}, Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse, Dick Grayson quitting as Robin and becoming Nightwing instead was a result of one of these. Although the two patched up things somewhat later, ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' implies he's still somewhat bitter about this, seventy years later.
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* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreed'': After Altair realizes that there's more to the nine men that [[TheMentor Al-Mualim]] is having him hunt down, he announces he's fed up with getting riddles and cryptic words from both sides.

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* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreed'': ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedI'': After Altair realizes that there's more to the nine men that [[TheMentor Al-Mualim]] is having him hunt down, he announces he's fed up with getting riddles and cryptic words from both sides.
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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'': C.C. does this in regards to the nature of Geass and her own past. Then again, Lelouch doesn't try hard to crack her most of the time, since he's busy with other things. When he does try to make her talk, C.C. usually gets out of it by reminding Lelouch she's his trustworthy co-conspirator. [[spoiler: In reality, she's trying to use him to get out of her [[DeathSeeker curse of immortality]].]]

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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'': C.C. does this in regards regard to the nature of Geass and her own past. Then again, Lelouch doesn't try hard to crack her most of the time, since he's busy with other things. When he does try to make her talk, C.C. usually gets out of it by reminding Lelouch she's his trustworthy co-conspirator. [[spoiler: In reality, she's trying to use him to get out of her [[DeathSeeker curse of immortality]].]]



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** Subverted in one issue of ''[[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders The Outsiders]]''. [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} Dick]] is furious at Bruce for what he believes was an attempt to exert control over the new Outsiders by providing them funding through a subsidiary of Wayne Industries and secretly providing Arsenal with intel. Bruce explains that he really was just trying to help the new team by funding them -- they needed money, and he has money. Bruce just didn't want Dick to feel like he owed him anything. Dick calms down but says it was still wrong of Bruce to pass on intel to Arsenal without telling him. Bruce responds [[spoiler:by telling Dick that he hasn't spoken to Arsenal for over a year. Dick immediately calls Arsenal to warn him, only to find out that Arsenal is currently meeting with "Batman". Woops, I mean ''Deathstroke''.]]

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** Subverted in one issue of ''[[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders The Outsiders]]''. [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} Dick]] is furious at Bruce for what he believes was an attempt to exert control over the new Outsiders by providing them funding through a subsidiary of Wayne Industries and secretly providing Arsenal with intel. Bruce explains that he really was just trying to help the new team by funding them -- they needed money, and he has money. Bruce just didn't want Dick to feel like he owed him anything. Dick calms down but says it was still wrong of Bruce to pass on intel to Arsenal without telling him. Bruce responds [[spoiler:by telling Dick that he hasn't spoken to Arsenal for over a year. Dick immediately calls Arsenal to warn him, only to find out that Arsenal is currently meeting with "Batman". Woops, Whoops, I mean ''Deathstroke''.]]



* ''ComicBook/XForce'': Flagship character ComicBook/{{Cable}} inspired this from his first band of followers, the Six Pack. A big fan of IDidWhatIHadToDo at the time, Cable abandoned the Six Pack on a fateful mission that resulted in two of the Pack's members (Garrison Kane and Hammer, the former of whom was Cable's protégé) being crippled. Understandably, the Pack held a bitter grudge against Cable afterward, though unlike Xavier above he was eventually able to right his wrongs somewhat (he saved Kane from Stryfe, gave him new prosthetics from the 40th century, and offered to restore Hammer's spine) and make peace with his former friends.

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* ''ComicBook/XForce'': Flagship character ComicBook/{{Cable}} inspired this from his first band of followers, the Six Pack. A big fan of IDidWhatIHadToDo at the time, Cable abandoned the Six Pack on a fateful mission that resulted in two of the Pack's members (Garrison Kane and Hammer, the former of whom was Cable's protégé) being crippled. Understandably, the Pack held a bitter grudge against Cable afterward, though though, unlike Xavier above above, he was eventually able to right his wrongs somewhat (he saved Kane from Stryfe, gave him new prosthetics from the 40th century, and offered to restore Hammer's spine) and make peace with his former friends.



* ''Fanfic/AnAlternateKeitaroUrashima'': Granny Hina's plans to make Keitaro take over the Hinata Inn go OffTheRails, and when she tries to force them back on track, she repeatedly gets called out for her manipulations. Sadly, none of these seem to sink in, as she firmly believes [[MoralMyopia everyone who disagrees with her methods is in the wrong]]. [[spoiler:By the time she ''does'' realize her mistakes, it's far, ''far'' to late to make amends: She has lost the Hinata Inn, her entire family has completely cut ties with her and want nothing to do with her, and the general public treats her with contempt for how she previously behaved.]]

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* ''Fanfic/AnAlternateKeitaroUrashima'': Granny Hina's plans to make Keitaro take over the Hinata Inn go OffTheRails, and when she tries to force them back on track, she repeatedly gets called out for her manipulations. Sadly, none of these seem to sink in, as she firmly believes [[MoralMyopia everyone who disagrees with her methods is in the wrong]]. [[spoiler:By the time she ''does'' realize her mistakes, it's far, ''far'' to too late to make amends: She has lost the Hinata Inn, her entire family has completely cut ties with her and want wants nothing to do with her, and the general public treats her with contempt for how she previously behaved.]]



* ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/22875676 Divergent Points - Feast]]'': Following the events of Feast, Plagg confronts Master Fu about how his own methods have been harming Marinette and Adrien. Namely that Marinette has been drowning under the forced and sole responsibility of being the next Guardian, how Adrien feels isolated from being LockedOutOfTheLoop, and how having Plagg taken away during the events of "Feast" had reminded him of his mother's disappearance. He also points how the MutualMasquerade rule might be a good safeguard against Hawkmoth, both heroes had benefited more from knowing each other's identities as well as having Alya and Nino as confidence, especially when dealing with their issues. Fu [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realizes what he had brought upon his choosen heroes]], and takes measures to not only apologize to Marinette and Adrien for how he treated them but also make their lives as easier far easier for the two of them.

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* ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/22875676 Divergent Points - Feast]]'': Following the events of Feast, Plagg confronts Master Fu about how his own methods have been harming Marinette and Adrien. Namely that Marinette has been drowning under the forced and sole responsibility of being the next Guardian, how Adrien feels isolated from being LockedOutOfTheLoop, and how having Plagg taken away during the events of "Feast" had reminded him of his mother's disappearance. He also points out how the MutualMasquerade rule might be a good safeguard against Hawkmoth, both heroes had benefited more from knowing each other's identities as well as having Alya and Nino as confidence, especially when dealing with their issues. Fu [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realizes what he had brought upon his choosen chosen heroes]], and takes measures to not only apologize to Marinette and Adrien for how he treated them but also make their lives as easier far easier for the two of them.



* ''Film/{{Dragonheart}}'': the hero spends years training the prince to be an honorable knight, only to discover years later than the prince was just a bully who couldn't care less about honor when the prince attacks him.

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* ''Film/{{Dragonheart}}'': the hero spends years training the prince to be an honorable knight, only to discover years later than that the prince was just a bully who couldn't care less about honor when the prince attacks him.



* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Matt Murdock meets the mysterious Stick - the man who trained him in martial arts, for the first time in nearly two decades and his first response is to punch him in the face for abandoning him as a child. Stick then quips "Anything else?", and Matt replies, "You're a dick". The second season when Elektra comes calling for Matt reveals that she was also tutored by Stick as well, and seemingly has a better relationship with him, until she decides that she wants to be more than [[{{Tykebomb}} his human weapon]] and severs ties with him. She later tries to kill him personally, though at that point, [[spoiler:Stick ordering a hit on her understandably pissed her off. Even if we later find out some [[ShootTheDog very good reasons why]] [[ApocalypseMaiden she's better off dead]]]].

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* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Matt Murdock meets the mysterious Stick - the man who trained him in martial arts, for the first time in nearly two decades decades, and his first response is to punch him in the face for abandoning him as a child. Stick then quips "Anything else?", and Matt replies, "You're a dick". The second season when Elektra comes calling for Matt reveals that she was also tutored by Stick as well, and seemingly has a better relationship with him, until she decides that she wants to be more than [[{{Tykebomb}} his human weapon]] and severs ties with him. She later tries to kill him personally, though at that point, [[spoiler:Stick ordering a hit on her understandably pissed her off. Even if we later find out some [[ShootTheDog very good reasons why]] [[ApocalypseMaiden she's better off dead]]]].



* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreed'': After Altair realizes that there's more to the nine men that [[TheMentor Al-Mualim]] is having him hunt down, he announces he's fed up of getting riddles and cryptic words from both sides.

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* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreed'': After Altair realizes that there's more to the nine men that [[TheMentor Al-Mualim]] is having him hunt down, he announces he's fed up of with getting riddles and cryptic words from both sides.



* ''VideoGame/HomeworldCataclysm'': The HopelessBossFight against the Bentusi race for fleeing instead of helping against the The Beast EldritchAbomination, ending with a the commander of the Kuun-Laan shaming them into helping with an emotional TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.

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* ''VideoGame/HomeworldCataclysm'': The HopelessBossFight against the Bentusi race for fleeing instead of helping against the The Beast EldritchAbomination, ending with a the commander of the Kuun-Laan shaming them into helping with an emotional TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.



** After Winter escaped her [[AbusiveParents abusive father]] by joining the military, General Ironwood became her mentor, grooming her to become a Special Operative and right-hand woman. Ironwood's [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil downward spiral]] into authoritarism during the Atlas Arc sees her increasingly struggling to justify and support his decisions until she events defects to the heroes' side. When they fight, he lashes out at her "betrayal" while she declares him an enemy of the kingdom he once swore to protect; their relationship is severed for good.

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** After Winter escaped her [[AbusiveParents abusive father]] by joining the military, General Ironwood became her mentor, grooming her to become a Special Operative and right-hand woman. Ironwood's [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil downward spiral]] into authoritarism authoritarianism during the Atlas Arc sees her increasingly struggling to justify and support his decisions until she events defects to the heroes' side. When they fight, he lashes out at her "betrayal" while she declares him an enemy of the kingdom he once swore to protect; their relationship is severed for good.



* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': Roy calls out the ghost of his father for giving him a crucial [[ProphecyTwist but extremely vague]] piece of advice that could have lead to a TotalPartyKill had it been misinterpreted. His father justifies this by pointing out that if he ''had'' phrased it as a direct command, Roy would have refused to do it on principle. Given [[IAmNotMyFather how Roy feels about this particular mentor in general]], he's probably right.

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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': Roy calls out the ghost of his father for giving him a crucial [[ProphecyTwist but extremely vague]] piece of advice that could have lead led to a TotalPartyKill had it been misinterpreted. His father justifies this by pointing out that if he ''had'' phrased it as a direct command, Roy would have refused to do it on principle. Given [[IAmNotMyFather how Roy feels about this particular mentor in general]], he's probably right.
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* ''Webcomic/M9Girls'': Pato, from lets the Professor have it when he confesses the reason he hired them as his interns.

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5'': Yusuke is furious when he discovers his adopted father Madarame sees his students as nothing but fuel for his own ego and career. It turns to complete hatred when he finds out [[spoiler:Madarame [[MurderByInaction let his ill mother die]] to steal her last painting and take credit for it. Then adopted her son, Yusuke himself, to take advantage of his own artistic talents.]]

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5'': In one of the few cases where the calling out is ''more'' than justified, Yusuke is furious when he discovers his adopted father Madarame sees his students as nothing but fuel for his own ego and career. It turns to complete hatred when he finds out [[spoiler:Madarame [[MurderByInaction let his ill mother die]] to steal her last painting and take credit for it. Then adopted her son, Yusuke himself, to take advantage of his own artistic talents.]]
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* ''Literature/TheHungerGames'': Katniss spends a lot of the third book angry with Haymitch [[spoiler:for not fulfilling his promise to rescue Peeta, letting her become a prisoner of Capitol in favor of saving Katniss]]. Peeta's not very happy with him either at that point.

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* ''Literature/TheHungerGames'': Katniss spends a lot of the third book angry with Haymitch [[spoiler:for not fulfilling his promise to rescue Peeta, letting her him become a prisoner of Capitol in favor of saving Katniss]]. Peeta's not very happy with him either at that point.
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** Having seen the impact on former allies, [[BigGood Ozpin]] keeps many secrets, fearing that the AwfulTruth will [[DespairEventHorizon destroy people's hope]]. A friend betrays him to Salem and Ironwood turns on him in Volume 2. In Volume 5, Raven fails to talk Yang out of helping him, who instead demands his honesty from then on. In Volume 6, the heroes confront him once and for all, learn the AwfulTruth and [[BrokenPedestal turn on him]], causing him to [[HeroicBSOD break and retreat in despair]]. After struggling with dilemma of whether to tell Ironwood the full truth, they learn the hard way that trust and truth are more complicated than they appreciated. In Volume 8, they reconcile with a repentant Ozpin, admitting they [[RebuiltPedestal finally understand]] his situation; however, his role permanently changes from leader to advisor.

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** Having seen the impact on former allies, [[BigGood Ozpin]] keeps many secrets, fearing that the AwfulTruth will [[DespairEventHorizon destroy people's hope]]. A friend betrays him to Salem and Ironwood turns on him in Volume 2. In Volume 5, Raven fails to talk Yang out of helping him, who instead demands his honesty from then on. In Volume 6, the heroes confront him once and for all, learn the AwfulTruth and [[BrokenPedestal turn on him]], causing him to [[HeroicBSOD break and retreat in despair]]. After struggling with the dilemma of whether to tell Ironwood the full truth, they learn the hard way that trust and truth are more complicated than they appreciated. In Volume 8, they reconcile with a repentant Ozpin, admitting they [[RebuiltPedestal finally understand]] his situation; however, his role permanently changes from leader to advisor.
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** Having seen the impact on former allies, [[BigGood Ozpin]] keeps many secrets, fearing that people will [[DespairEventHorizon lose hope]] if they learn the AwfulTruth. A friend betrays him to Salem and Ironwood turns on him in Volume 2. In Volume 5, Raven fails to talk Yang out of helping him, who instead demands his honesty from then on. In Volume 6, the heroes confront him once and for all, learn the AwfulTruth and [[BrokenPedestal turn on him]], causing him to [[HeroicBSOD break and retreat in despair]]. After struggling with dilemma of whether to tell Ironwood the full truth, they learn the hard way that trust and truth are more complicated than they appreciated. In Volume 8, they reconcile with a repentant Ozpin, admitting they [[RebuiltPedestal finally understand]] his situation; however, his role permanently changes from leader to advisor.

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** Having seen the impact on former allies, [[BigGood Ozpin]] keeps many secrets, fearing that people the AwfulTruth will [[DespairEventHorizon lose hope]] if they learn the AwfulTruth.destroy people's hope]]. A friend betrays him to Salem and Ironwood turns on him in Volume 2. In Volume 5, Raven fails to talk Yang out of helping him, who instead demands his honesty from then on. In Volume 6, the heroes confront him once and for all, learn the AwfulTruth and [[BrokenPedestal turn on him]], causing him to [[HeroicBSOD break and retreat in despair]]. After struggling with dilemma of whether to tell Ironwood the full truth, they learn the hard way that trust and truth are more complicated than they appreciated. In Volume 8, they reconcile with a repentant Ozpin, admitting they [[RebuiltPedestal finally understand]] his situation; however, his role permanently changes from leader to advisor.
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** [[BigGood Ozpin]] keeps a lot of secrets, fearing that people will [[DespairEventHorizon lose hope]] if they learn the AwfulTruth as a result of having seen what the truth has done to former allies. A friend betrays him to Salem and Ironwood turns on him in Volume 2. In Volume 5, Raven fails to talk Yang out of helping him, who instead demands his honesty from then on. In Volume 6, the heroes confront him once and for all, learn the AwfulTruth and [[BrokenPedestal turn on him]], causing him to [[HeroicBSOD break and retreat in despair]]. After struggling with dilemma of whether to tell Ironwood the full truth, they learn the hard way that trust and truth are more complicated than they appreciated. In Volume 8, they reconcile with a repentant Ozpin, admitting they [[RebuiltPedestal finally understand]] his situation; however, his role permanently changes from leader to advisor.

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** Having seen the impact on former allies, [[BigGood Ozpin]] keeps a lot of many secrets, fearing that people will [[DespairEventHorizon lose hope]] if they learn the AwfulTruth as a result of having seen what the truth has done to former allies.AwfulTruth. A friend betrays him to Salem and Ironwood turns on him in Volume 2. In Volume 5, Raven fails to talk Yang out of helping him, who instead demands his honesty from then on. In Volume 6, the heroes confront him once and for all, learn the AwfulTruth and [[BrokenPedestal turn on him]], causing him to [[HeroicBSOD break and retreat in despair]]. After struggling with dilemma of whether to tell Ironwood the full truth, they learn the hard way that trust and truth are more complicated than they appreciated. In Volume 8, they reconcile with a repentant Ozpin, admitting they [[RebuiltPedestal finally understand]] his situation; however, his role permanently changes from leader to advisor.
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** [[BigGood Ozpin's]] been keeping a lot of secrets regarding his SecretWar with [[BigBad Salem]]. In Volume 2, Ironwood tells Glynda he's certain that Ozpin's hiding something. He becomes so mistrustful of Ozpin's placid attitude that he reports him to the Vale Council, who strip Ozpin of responsibility for the Vytal Festival's security. Raven also states she turned her back on Ozpin's war because the more she learned about it, the more she mistrusted Ozpin until she abandoned him entirely. She's baffled and angry that her twin brother Qrow has never seen light. Teams RWBY and JNPR become increasingly frustrated with Ozpin's secretive behaviour throughout Volume 5, until it blows up into a big argument at the beginning of Volume 6. [[spoiler:The tipping point for the heroes is learning that the Relics attract the Grimm after they've carried the Relic of Knowledge onto a train full of people. That leads to the revelation of [[AwfulTruth the secret]] that Ozpin's been hiding, causing all the heroes -- including the [[UndyingLoyalty ever-loyal]] Qrow -- to turn on Ozpin [[BrokenPedestal completely]]. A broken Ozpin [[HeroicBSOD locks himself away]] in the back of Oscar's mind; the heroes spend Volumes 6 & 7 trying to navigate the truth-bomb that's been dropped on them, and feeling like they'll never trust Ozpin again.]]
** In Volume 6, Qrow learns the AwfulTruth and gives up entirely, turning into TheLoad in a critical situation and [[DrowningMySorrows falling deep into alcholism]]. When he wants to give up on getting the Relic to Atlas completely, Ruby snaps and yells at him that she and the others have done remarkable things without anyone's help, so they're going to use their plan whether he approves or not. Later, when he's beating himself up for letting them try it, Ruby quietly but firmly tells him that they would have come with or without him and they're no longer his responsibility. While their relationship remains good and even improves after this point, the arc is effectively the end of Qrow's role as Ruby's mentor.
** General Ironwood took Winter in when she fled from her [[AbusiveParents abusive father]] and mentored her in becoming a Special Operative and Huntress, eventually making her his right-hand woman. However, the events of the Atlas arc see them slowly drift apart, culminating in the Volume 8 finale where [[spoiler:Ironwood has [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil turned into]] a full FallenHero, forcing Winter to defect to stop him from dooming Atlas. In their fight, he lashes out at her for "betraying" him, while she yells back about how his actions have destroyed Atlas and Mantle and how he's become a threat to the kingdom he once swore to protect. Unlike the above two examples, Ironwood's FaceHeelTurn and subsequent death means they never get to reconcile.]]

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** [[BigGood Ozpin's]] been keeping Ozpin]] keeps a lot of secrets regarding his SecretWar with [[BigBad Salem]]. secrets, fearing that people will [[DespairEventHorizon lose hope]] if they learn the AwfulTruth as a result of having seen what the truth has done to former allies. A friend betrays him to Salem and Ironwood turns on him in Volume 2. In Volume 2, Ironwood tells Glynda he's certain that Ozpin's hiding something. He becomes so mistrustful of Ozpin's placid attitude that he reports him to the Vale Council, who strip Ozpin of responsibility for the Vytal Festival's security. 5, Raven also states she turned her back on Ozpin's war because the more she learned about it, the more she mistrusted Ozpin until she abandoned him entirely. She's baffled and angry that her twin brother Qrow has never seen light. Teams RWBY and JNPR become increasingly frustrated with Ozpin's secretive behaviour throughout Volume 5, until it blows up into a big argument at the beginning fails to talk Yang out of Volume 6. [[spoiler:The tipping point for the heroes is learning that the Relics attract the Grimm after they've carried the Relic of Knowledge onto a train full of people. That leads to the revelation of [[AwfulTruth the secret]] that Ozpin's been hiding, causing all the heroes -- including the [[UndyingLoyalty ever-loyal]] Qrow -- to turn on Ozpin [[BrokenPedestal completely]]. A broken Ozpin [[HeroicBSOD locks himself away]] in the back of Oscar's mind; the heroes spend Volumes 6 & 7 trying to navigate the truth-bomb that's been dropped on them, and feeling like they'll never trust Ozpin again.]]
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helping him, who instead demands his honesty from then on. In Volume 6, Qrow learns the heroes confront him once and for all, learn the AwfulTruth and gives up entirely, turning into TheLoad in a critical situation [[BrokenPedestal turn on him]], causing him to [[HeroicBSOD break and [[DrowningMySorrows falling deep into alcholism]]. When he wants to give up on getting the Relic to Atlas completely, Ruby snaps and yells at him that she and the others have done remarkable things without anyone's help, so they're going to use their plan retreat in despair]]. After struggling with dilemma of whether he approves or not. Later, when he's beating himself up for letting them try it, Ruby quietly but firmly tells him to tell Ironwood the full truth, they learn the hard way that trust and truth are more complicated than they would have come appreciated. In Volume 8, they reconcile with or without him and they're no longer a repentant Ozpin, admitting they [[RebuiltPedestal finally understand]] his responsibility. While their relationship remains good and even improves after this point, the arc is effectively the end of Qrow's situation; however, his role as Ruby's mentor.permanently changes from leader to advisor.
** General Ironwood took After Qrow learns the AwfulTruth about Ozpin in Volume 6, his shattered UndyingLoyalty sends him into a downward alcoholic spiral until he becomes TheLoad. After trying to shut down the heroes one too many times for trying to get the Relic of Knowledge to Atlas, Ruby snaps and yells at him that they've done remarkable things without adult help, so they're going to continue whether or not he approves. When he later berates himself for letting them continue, Ruby firmly tells him they would have carried on without him and they're no longer his responsibility. Although he sobers up and their relationships repair, the arc is the end of Qrow's role as Ruby's mentor.
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Winter in when she fled from escaped her [[AbusiveParents abusive father]] and mentored by joining the military, General Ironwood became her in becoming mentor, grooming her to become a Special Operative and Huntress, eventually making her his right-hand woman. However, the events of the Atlas arc see them slowly drift apart, culminating in the Volume 8 finale where [[spoiler:Ironwood has Ironwood's [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil turned into]] a full FallenHero, forcing Winter downward spiral]] into authoritarism during the Atlas Arc sees her increasingly struggling to defect justify and support his decisions until she events defects to stop him from dooming Atlas. In their the heroes' side. When they fight, he lashes out at her for "betraying" him, "betrayal" while she yells back about how his actions have destroyed Atlas and Mantle and how he's become a threat to declares him an enemy of the kingdom he once swore to protect. Unlike the above two examples, Ironwood's FaceHeelTurn and subsequent death means they never get to reconcile.]]protect; their relationship is severed for good.
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** General Ironwood took Winter in when she fled from her [[AbusiveParents abusive father]] and mentored her in becoming a Special Operative and Huntress, eventually making her his right-hand woman. However, the events of the Atlas arc see them slowly drift apart, culminating in the Volume 8 finale where [[spoiler:Ironwood has [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil turned into]] a full FallenHero, forcing Winter to defect to stop him from dooming Atlas. In their fight, he lashes out at her for "betraying" him, while she yells back about how his actions have destroyed Atlas and Mantle and how he's become the greatest threat to the kingdom he once swore to protect. Unlike the above two examples, Ironwood's FaceHeelTurn and subsequent death means they never get to reconcile.]]

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** General Ironwood took Winter in when she fled from her [[AbusiveParents abusive father]] and mentored her in becoming a Special Operative and Huntress, eventually making her his right-hand woman. However, the events of the Atlas arc see them slowly drift apart, culminating in the Volume 8 finale where [[spoiler:Ironwood has [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil turned into]] a full FallenHero, forcing Winter to defect to stop him from dooming Atlas. In their fight, he lashes out at her for "betraying" him, while she yells back about how his actions have destroyed Atlas and Mantle and how he's become the greatest a threat to the kingdom he once swore to protect. Unlike the above two examples, Ironwood's FaceHeelTurn and subsequent death means they never get to reconcile.]]
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** General Ironwood took Winter in when she fled from her [[AbusiveParents abusive father]] and mentored her in becoming a Special Operative and Huntress, eventually making her his right-hand woman. However, the events of the Atlas arc see them slowly drift apart, culminating in the Volume 8 finale where [[spoiler:Ironwood has [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil turned into]] a full FallenHero, forcing Winter to defect to stop him from dooming Atlas. In their fight, he lashes out at her for "betraying" him, while she yells back about how his actions have destroyed Atlas and Mantle and how he's become the greatest threat to the kingdom he once swore to protect. Unlike the above two example, Ironwood's FaceHeelTurn and subsequent death means they never get to reconcile.]]

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** General Ironwood took Winter in when she fled from her [[AbusiveParents abusive father]] and mentored her in becoming a Special Operative and Huntress, eventually making her his right-hand woman. However, the events of the Atlas arc see them slowly drift apart, culminating in the Volume 8 finale where [[spoiler:Ironwood has [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil turned into]] a full FallenHero, forcing Winter to defect to stop him from dooming Atlas. In their fight, he lashes out at her for "betraying" him, while she yells back about how his actions have destroyed Atlas and Mantle and how he's become the greatest threat to the kingdom he once swore to protect. Unlike the above two example, examples, Ironwood's FaceHeelTurn and subsequent death means they never get to reconcile.]]

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': [[BigGood Ozpin's]] been keeping a lot of secrets regarding his SecretWar with [[BigBad Salem]]. In Volume 2, Ironwood tells Glynda he's certain that Ozpin's hiding something. He becomes so mistrustful of Ozpin's placid attitude that he reports him to the Vale Council, who strip Ozpin of responsibility for the Vytal Festival's security. Raven also states she turned her back on Ozpin's war because the more she learned about it, the more she mistrusted Ozpin until she abandoned him entirely. She's baffled and angry that her twin brother Qrow has never seen light. Teams RWBY and JNPR become increasingly frustrated with Ozpin's secretive behaviour throughout Volume 5, until it blows up into a big argument at the beginning of Volume 6. [[spoiler:The tipping point for the heroes is learning that the Relics attract the Grimm after they've carried the Relic of Knowledge onto a train full of people. That leads to the revelation of [[AwfulTruth the secret]] that Ozpin's been hiding, causing all the heroes -- including the [[UndyingLoyalty ever-loyal]] Qrow -- to turn on Ozpin [[BrokenPedestal completely]]. A broken Ozpin [[HeroicBSOD locks himself away]] in the back of Oscar's mind; the heroes spend Volumes 6 & 7 trying to navigate the truth-bomb that's been dropped on them, and feeling like they'll never trust Ozpin again.]]

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[[BigGood Ozpin's]] been keeping a lot of secrets regarding his SecretWar with [[BigBad Salem]]. In Volume 2, Ironwood tells Glynda he's certain that Ozpin's hiding something. He becomes so mistrustful of Ozpin's placid attitude that he reports him to the Vale Council, who strip Ozpin of responsibility for the Vytal Festival's security. Raven also states she turned her back on Ozpin's war because the more she learned about it, the more she mistrusted Ozpin until she abandoned him entirely. She's baffled and angry that her twin brother Qrow has never seen light. Teams RWBY and JNPR become increasingly frustrated with Ozpin's secretive behaviour throughout Volume 5, until it blows up into a big argument at the beginning of Volume 6. [[spoiler:The tipping point for the heroes is learning that the Relics attract the Grimm after they've carried the Relic of Knowledge onto a train full of people. That leads to the revelation of [[AwfulTruth the secret]] that Ozpin's been hiding, causing all the heroes -- including the [[UndyingLoyalty ever-loyal]] Qrow -- to turn on Ozpin [[BrokenPedestal completely]]. A broken Ozpin [[HeroicBSOD locks himself away]] in the back of Oscar's mind; the heroes spend Volumes 6 & 7 trying to navigate the truth-bomb that's been dropped on them, and feeling like they'll never trust Ozpin again.]]
** In Volume 6, Qrow learns the AwfulTruth and gives up entirely, turning into TheLoad in a critical situation and [[DrowningMySorrows falling deep into alcholism]]. When he wants to give up on getting the Relic to Atlas completely, Ruby snaps and yells at him that she and the others have done remarkable things without anyone's help, so they're going to use their plan whether he approves or not. Later, when he's beating himself up for letting them try it, Ruby quietly but firmly tells him that they would have come with or without him and they're no longer his responsibility. While their relationship remains good and even improves after this point, the arc is effectively the end of Qrow's role as Ruby's mentor.
** General Ironwood took Winter in when she fled from her [[AbusiveParents abusive father]] and mentored her in becoming a Special Operative and Huntress, eventually making her his right-hand woman. However, the events of the Atlas arc see them slowly drift apart, culminating in the Volume 8 finale where [[spoiler:Ironwood has [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil turned into]] a full FallenHero, forcing Winter to defect to stop him from dooming Atlas. In their fight, he lashes out at her for "betraying" him, while she yells back about how his actions have destroyed Atlas and Mantle and how he's become the greatest threat to the kingdom he once swore to protect. Unlike the above two example, Ironwood's FaceHeelTurn and subsequent death means they never get to reconcile.
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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'' C.C. does this in regards to the nature of Geass and her own past. Then again, Lelouch doesn't try hard to crack her most of the time, since he's busy with other things. When he does try to make her talk, C.C. usually gets out of it by reminding Lelouch she's his trustworthy co-conspirator. [[spoiler: In reality, she's trying to use him to get out of her [[DeathSeeker curse of immortality]].]]
* Resident BadassNormal Teana from ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers'' does this to her mentor Nanoha (and almost drags Subaru into it, as well) when she grows frustrated of seemingly not making any progress because Nanoha "deliberately holds her back". It is often referred to in the fandom as the "White Devil Incident". Of course, this being ''Nanoha'', [[spoiler:it is resolved in a very [[{{Squee}} heartwarming]] fashion and Nanoha's training eventually proves good enough for Teana to take out three Numbers at once, while injured, without any backup, whereas most other named characters have trouble taking them on one on one]].
* Occasionally happens with Domon to Master Asia in ''Anime/MobileFighterGGundam'' once he's found out [[spoiler: Master's been supporting the Devil Gundam all along.]]
* In ''Manga/MonochromeFactor'', Akira's attempts to find out more about the Shin and kokuchi are frequently rebuffed by Shirogane until [[spoiler: Lulu reveals to Akira that Shirogane is a King of the Shadow. He then forces Shirogane to reveal that Akira is the reincarnation of the King of the Rei, or light.]]

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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'' ''Anime/CodeGeass'': C.C. does this in regards to the nature of Geass and her own past. Then again, Lelouch doesn't try hard to crack her most of the time, since he's busy with other things. When he does try to make her talk, C.C. usually gets out of it by reminding Lelouch she's his trustworthy co-conspirator. [[spoiler: In reality, she's trying to use him to get out of her [[DeathSeeker curse of immortality]].]]
* ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers'': Resident BadassNormal Teana from ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers'' does this to her mentor Nanoha (and almost drags Subaru into it, as well) when she grows frustrated of seemingly not making any progress because Nanoha "deliberately holds her back". It is often referred to in the fandom as the "White Devil Incident". Of course, this being ''Nanoha'', [[spoiler:it is resolved in a very [[{{Squee}} heartwarming]] fashion and Nanoha's training eventually proves good enough for Teana to take out three Numbers at once, while injured, without any backup, whereas most other named characters have trouble taking them on one on one]].
* Occasionally ''Anime/MobileFighterGGundam'': This occasionally happens with Domon to Master Asia in ''Anime/MobileFighterGGundam'' once he's the former found out [[spoiler: Master's [[spoiler:Master's been supporting the Devil Gundam all along.]]
along]].
* In ''Manga/MonochromeFactor'', ''Manga/MonochromeFactor'': Akira's attempts to find out more about the Shin and kokuchi are frequently rebuffed by Shirogane until [[spoiler: Lulu [[spoiler:Lulu reveals to Akira that Shirogane is a King of the Shadow. He then forces Shirogane to reveal that Akira is the reincarnation of the King of the Rei, or light.]]



* In ''Manga/Reborn2004'', a villainous example is found with Xanxus towards the Ninth. Being an extremely violent and ill-tempered SpoiledBrat, he overreacted to the discovery of the Ninth not telling him that [[spoiler: he's actually ''not'' the Ninth's child, and therefore can't become the next Vongola boss]]. To the point where he readily [[spoiler: tricks Tsuna into accidentally killing the Ninth]] with little remorse or regret.
* ''Anime/SamuraiSeven'''s Katsushiro does this after having been disillusioned by his mentor, who he had previously been holding up as a paragon of samurai virtues.
* Fed up with all the secrets and mystery, the new DarkerAndEdgier Judai of ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' threatens to flush his [[note]]formerly TreacherousAdvisor's[[/note]] SpiritAdvisor's spirit down the toilet in Season 4 unless he gets some straight, concrete answers.

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* In ''Manga/Reborn2004'', a ''Manga/Reborn2004'': A villainous example is found with Xanxus towards the Ninth. Being an extremely violent and ill-tempered SpoiledBrat, he overreacted to the discovery of the Ninth not telling him that [[spoiler: he's [[spoiler:he's actually ''not'' the Ninth's child, and therefore can't become the next Vongola boss]]. To the point where he readily [[spoiler: tricks [[spoiler:tricks Tsuna into accidentally killing the Ninth]] with little remorse or regret.
* ''Anime/SamuraiSeven'''s ''Anime/SamuraiSeven'': Katsushiro does this after having been disillusioned by his mentor, who he had previously been holding up as a paragon of samurai virtues.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'': Fed up with all the secrets and mystery, the new DarkerAndEdgier Judai of ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' threatens to flush his [[note]]formerly TreacherousAdvisor's[[/note]] SpiritAdvisor's spirit down the toilet in Season 4 unless he gets some straight, concrete answers.



* ''Comicbook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderThePromise''. Roku keeps telling Aang he needs to be decisive and kill Zuko, and if he contemplated the world he would see that he needs to do this. So Aang contemplates the world, and sees the people he loves, including Zuko, while getting sick of Roku's vague advice ("What did you expect me to picture? Some floaty cosmic energy?"). He realizes that Roku's worldview of how the four nations must be kept separate is outdated and decides there's nothing more he can teach him, so he severs his spiritual connection to him.
* Thorn has a very violent reaction to Gran'ma Ben's explanation of her past in ''ComicBook/{{Bone}}'', culminating in a two-and-a-half book suicidal streak that was only halted by Fone Bone and Smiley Bone's YouAreNotAlone speech.
* In ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'', every single freakin' ComicBook/{{Robin}}, though [[ComicBook/RobinSeries Tim]] does so the least and is generally rather unnervingly calm when he does call Bruce or Dick out. And most of the [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} Batgirls]] at some stage. It's especially poignant since Batman is also [[CallingTheOldManOut a father figure]] to most of them.

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* ''Comicbook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderThePromise''. ''Comicbook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderThePromise'': Roku keeps telling Aang he needs to be decisive and kill Zuko, and if he contemplated the world he would see that he needs to do this. So Aang contemplates the world, and sees the people he loves, including Zuko, while getting sick of Roku's vague advice ("What did you expect me to picture? Some floaty cosmic energy?"). He realizes that Roku's worldview of how the four nations must be kept separate is outdated and decides there's nothing more he can teach him, so he severs his spiritual connection to him.
* Thorn has a very violent reaction to Gran'ma Ben's explanation of her past in ''ComicBook/{{Bone}}'', culminating in a two-and-a-half book suicidal streak that was only halted by Fone Bone and Smiley Bone's YouAreNotAlone speech.
* In ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'', every
''Franchise/{{Batman}}'': Every single freakin' ComicBook/{{Robin}}, though [[ComicBook/RobinSeries Tim]] does so the least and is generally rather unnervingly calm when he does call Bruce or Dick out. And most of the [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} Batgirls]] at some stage. It's especially poignant since Batman is also [[CallingTheOldManOut a father figure]] to most of them.



* ''ComicBook/{{Bone}}'': Thorn has a very violent reaction to Gran'ma Ben's explanation of her past, culminating in a two-and-a-half book suicidal streak that was only halted by Fone Bone and Smiley Bone's YouAreNotAlone speech.



* ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} of the ''Franchise/XMen'' went on a slow-burn one of these in the 2000s towards his mentor ComicBook/ProfessorX, as more and more evidence of Chuck's long history of {{Superdickery}} started to pile up. The straw that broke the camel's back was ''ComicBook/XMenDeadlyGenesis'', in which Cyclops found out that Chuck not only sent a secret third squad of X-Men to their deaths against the island monster Krakoa (among them Cyclops's own long-lost brother Vulcan), he also in the aftermath ''[[MoralEventHorizon wiped the minds of Cyclops and all the other X-Men to forget that Vulcan's team ever existed]]''. Understandably, Scott was '''pissed'''. So pissed, in fact, that he booted Xavier out of his own mansion!
* In ''ComicBook/XForce'', flagship character ComicBook/{{Cable}} inspired this from his first band of followers, the Six Pack. A big fan of IDidWhatIHadToDo at the time, Cable abandoned the Six Pack on a fateful mission that resulted in two of the Pack's members (Garrison Kane and Hammer, the former of whom was Cable's protégé) being crippled. Understandably, the Pack held a bitter grudge against Cable afterward, though unlike Xavier above he was eventually able to right his wrongs somewhat (he saved Kane from Stryfe, gave him new prosthetics from the 40th century, and offered to restore Hammer's spine) and make peace with his former friends.

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* ''ComicBook/XForce'': Flagship character ComicBook/{{Cable}} inspired this from his first band of followers, the Six Pack. A big fan of IDidWhatIHadToDo at the time, Cable abandoned the Six Pack on a fateful mission that resulted in two of the Pack's members (Garrison Kane and Hammer, the former of whom was Cable's protégé) being crippled. Understandably, the Pack held a bitter grudge against Cable afterward, though unlike Xavier above he was eventually able to right his wrongs somewhat (he saved Kane from Stryfe, gave him new prosthetics from the 40th century, and offered to restore Hammer's spine) and make peace with his former friends.
* ''Franchise/XMen'':
ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} of the ''Franchise/XMen'' went on a slow-burn one of these in the 2000s towards his mentor mentor, ComicBook/ProfessorX, as more and more evidence of Chuck's long history of {{Superdickery}} started to pile up. The straw that broke the camel's back was ''ComicBook/XMenDeadlyGenesis'', in which Cyclops found out that Chuck not only sent a secret third squad of X-Men to their deaths against the island monster Krakoa (among them Cyclops's own long-lost brother Vulcan), he also in the aftermath ''[[MoralEventHorizon wiped the minds of Cyclops and all the other X-Men to forget that Vulcan's team ever existed]]''. Understandably, Scott was '''pissed'''. So pissed, in fact, that he booted Xavier out of his own mansion!
* In ''ComicBook/XForce'', flagship character ComicBook/{{Cable}} inspired this from his first band of followers, the Six Pack. A big fan of IDidWhatIHadToDo at the time, Cable abandoned the Six Pack on a fateful mission that resulted in two of the Pack's members (Garrison Kane and Hammer, the former of whom was Cable's protégé) being crippled. Understandably, the Pack held a bitter grudge against Cable afterward, though unlike Xavier above he was eventually able to right his wrongs somewhat (he saved Kane from Stryfe, gave him new prosthetics from the 40th century, and offered to restore Hammer's spine) and make peace with his former friends.
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* ''Fanfic/AnAlternateKeitaroUrashima'': Granny Hina's plans to make Keitaro take over the Hinata Inn go OffTheRails, and when she tries to force them back on track, she repeatedly gets called out for her manipulations. Sadly, none of these seem to sink in, as she firmly believes [[MoralMyopia everyone who disagrees with her methods is in the wrong]]. [[spoiler:By the time she ''does'' realize her mistakes, it's far, ''far'' to late to make amends: She has lost the Hinata Inn, her entire family has completely cut ties with her and want nothing to do with her, and the general public treats her with contempt for how she previously behaved.]]



* The four in ''Fanfic/WithStringsAttached'' are not pleased when the Fans (mostly Jeft) refuse to tell them important things, like, for example, why did George's ring [[PhlebotinumBreakdown stop working for a while?]] They do a fair bit of protesting against this behavior. Luckily for them, Shag takes their side and overrules Jeft's attempts to be mysterious. Jeff believes himself justified because [[spoiler: mystery makes for a better game]].



* In ''Fanfic/AnAlternateKeitaroUrashima'', Granny Hina's plans to make Keitaro take over the Hinata Inn go OffTheRails, and when she tries to force them back on track, she repeatedly gets called out for her manipulations. Sadly, none of these seem to sink in, as she firmly believes [[MoralMyopia everyone who disagrees with her methods is in the wrong]].

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* In ''Fanfic/AnAlternateKeitaroUrashima'', Granny Hina's plans to make Keitaro take over the Hinata Inn go OffTheRails, and The four in ''Fanfic/WithStringsAttached'' are not pleased when she tries the Fans (mostly Jeft) refuse to force tell them back on track, she repeatedly gets called out important things, like, for her manipulations. Sadly, none example, why did George's ring [[PhlebotinumBreakdown stop working for a while?]] They do a fair bit of these seem protesting against this behavior. Luckily for them, Shag takes their side and overrules Jeft's attempts to sink in, as she firmly be mysterious. Jeff believes [[MoralMyopia everyone who disagrees with her methods is in the wrong]].himself justified because [[spoiler: mystery makes for a better game]].



* ''Franchise/StarWars'': A classic way of saying MetaphoricallyTrue:
** Obi-Wan Kenobi: "So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view." Although by the time Luke Skywalker is able to talk to him properly, he's calmed down from hearing the AwfulTruth (it ''has'' been a full year, after all) and the conversation is civil.
** In the original novelization, Yoda states before his death that [[spoiler: "Obi-Wan would have told you (that Darth Vader is your father) long ago, had I let him..."]], which renders Luke's railing at Obi-Wan immediately thereafter somewhat redundant.
* Averted in ''Franchise/TheMatrix'' movies. Neo and Morpheus realize that the Oracle has been holding out on them and ask questions but they're not angry because her telling or not telling them things is usually for the better.
** [[spoiler:''Cypher,'' on the other hand, plays it much straighter--and to [[TheMole its logical extreme]]. He despises Morpheus’s vagueness, his loyalty to the Oracle, and above all his refusal to be upfront about everything. He fully believes that, had Morpheus been honest about what would happen if the Red Pill was chosen, no one would have chosen it, leading to his eventual FaceHeelTurn.]]
* ''Film/{{Rocky}}'' In the first movie Balboa lashes out at Mickey, but they quickly make up and Mickey helps him "not be a bum".
* ''Film/MysteryMen'': Mr. Furious gets sick of The Sphinx's gobbledygook and manages to corner him:
-->'''Sphinx''': Your temper is very quick, my friend. But until you learn to master your rage…\\
'''Mr. Furious''': Your rage will become your master? That's what you were going to say, right? Right?\\
'''Sphinx''': …not necessarily.
* In ''Film/{{Dragonheart}}'', the hero spends years training the prince to be an honorable knight, only to discover years later than the prince was just a bully who couldn't care less about honor when the prince attacks him.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': A classic way Towards the end of saying MetaphoricallyTrue:
** Obi-Wan Kenobi: "So what I told you
''[[Film/TheHungerGamesCatchingFire Catching Fire]]'' Katniss is so furious with Haymitch that she attacks him with a needle. The reason? [[spoiler:Going back on his promise to save Peeta over her by making sure they rescued Katniss while Peeta was true, from a certain point of view." Although taken prisoner by the time Luke Skywalker is able to talk to him properly, he's calmed down from hearing the AwfulTruth (it ''has'' been a full year, after all) and the conversation is civil.
** In the original novelization, Yoda states before his death that [[spoiler: "Obi-Wan would have told you (that Darth Vader is your father) long ago, had I let him..."]], which renders Luke's railing at Obi-Wan immediately thereafter somewhat redundant.
Capitol]].
* Averted in ''Franchise/TheMatrix'' movies. Neo and Morpheus realize that the Oracle has been holding out on them and ask questions but they're not angry because her telling or not telling them things is usually for the better.
** [[spoiler:''Cypher,'' on the other hand, plays it much straighter--and to [[TheMole its logical extreme]]. He despises Morpheus’s vagueness, his loyalty to the Oracle, and above all his refusal to be upfront about everything. He fully believes that, had Morpheus been honest about what would happen if the Red Pill was chosen, no one would have chosen it, leading to his eventual FaceHeelTurn.]]
* ''Film/{{Rocky}}'' In the first movie Balboa lashes out at Mickey, but they quickly make up and Mickey helps him "not be a bum".
* ''Film/MysteryMen'': Mr. Furious gets sick of The Sphinx's gobbledygook and manages to corner him:
-->'''Sphinx''': Your temper is very quick, my friend. But until you learn to master your rage…\\
'''Mr. Furious''': Your rage will become your master? That's what you were going to say, right? Right?\\
'''Sphinx''': …not necessarily.
* In ''Film/{{Dragonheart}}'',
''Film/{{Dragonheart}}'': the hero spends years training the prince to be an honorable knight, only to discover years later than the prince was just a bully who couldn't care less about honor when the prince attacks him.



* ''Franchise/TheMatrix'': Averted. Neo and Morpheus realize that the Oracle has been holding out on them and ask questions but they're not angry because her telling or not telling them things is usually for the better. [[spoiler:''Cypher,'' on the other hand, plays it much straighter--and to [[TheMole its logical extreme]]. He despises Morpheus’s vagueness, his loyalty to the Oracle, and above all his refusal to be upfront about everything. He fully believes that, had Morpheus been honest about what would happen if the Red Pill was chosen, no one would have chosen it, leading to his eventual FaceHeelTurn.]]
* ''Film/MysteryMen'': Mr. Furious gets sick of The Sphinx's gobbledygook and manages to corner him:
-->'''Sphinx''': Your temper is very quick, my friend. But until you learn to master your rage…\\
'''Mr. Furious''': Your rage will become your master? That's what you were going to say, right? Right?\\
'''Sphinx''': ...Not necessarily.
* ''Film/{{Rocky}}'' In the first movie Balboa lashes out at Mickey, but they quickly make up and Mickey helps him "not be a bum".
* ''Franchise/StarWars'': A classic way of saying MetaphoricallyTrue:
** Obi-Wan Kenobi: "So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view." Although by the time Luke Skywalker is able to talk to him properly, he's calmed down from hearing the AwfulTruth (it ''has'' been a full year, after all) and the conversation is civil.
** In the original novelization, Yoda states before his death that [[spoiler: "Obi-Wan would have told you (that Darth Vader is your father) long ago, had I let him..."]], which renders Luke's railing at Obi-Wan immediately thereafter somewhat redundant.



--> '''Sentinel:''' [[spoiler: Optimus... all I ever wanted... was the survival of our race. You must see... why I had to betray you.]]
--> '''Optimus:''' [[spoiler:You didn't betray me. You betrayed ''yourself.'']]
* Towards the end of ''[[Film/TheHungerGamesCatchingFire Catching Fire]]'' Katniss is so furious with Haymitch that she attacks him with a needle. The reason? [[spoiler:Going back on his promise to save Peeta over her by making sure they rescued Katniss while Peeta was taken prisoner by the Capitol]].

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--> '''Sentinel:''' [[spoiler: Optimus... all I ever wanted... was the survival of our race. You must see... why I had to betray you.]]
-->
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'''Optimus:''' [[spoiler:You didn't betray me. You betrayed ''yourself.'']]
* Towards the end of ''[[Film/TheHungerGamesCatchingFire Catching Fire]]'' Katniss is so furious with Haymitch that she attacks him with a needle. The reason? [[spoiler:Going back on his promise to save Peeta over her by making sure they rescued Katniss while Peeta was taken prisoner by the Capitol]].
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* ''Literature/TheBelgariad'': Fairly early on, Garion rages against his "Aunt" Polgara, whom he's recently discovered to actually be a centuries-old sorceress of nigh-unsurpassed wisdom and power, who quite clearly isn't ''actually'' his aunt... Granted, there really ''are'' a lot of rather significant things she isn't telling him, for reasons that aren't really explained anywhere in the series itself (it's AllThereInTheManual, though, or in this case, the stand-alone ''Polgara The Sorceress'' faux-biographical tome), but he was still somewhat out of line, claiming that lives of 'ordinary people' like him were mere pawns and playthings to her. Especially considering that she's spent the last several centuries personally safeguarding [[RoyalBlood his line]]...
* ''DeusExMachina'': Mentor the Arisian is the target of wails of angst from one of his advanced students in ''Children of the Lens'', when she's told that the breeding programme she's the ultimate expression of makes her "...in some ways, even less human than I am myself..."
* ''Literature/{{Deverry}}'': Rhegor gets this from Nevyn [[spoiler:after Brangwen and Gerraent die.]] Subverted in that the laws of dweomer say that someone has to ask the right questions in order to learn the information that Rhegor was withholding. Nevyn also gets this a few times (sometimes for less reason), and Dallandra catches a few hits too. Meanwhile, Salamander does withhold information at times, but it's not to someone he has a mentor-type relationship with.



* ''Literature/HarryPotter'' tries this on Dumbledore a few times.

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* ''Literature/HarryPotter'' ''Literature/GalaxyOfFear'': Hoole is the Arranda's uncle and guardian, and he's extremely secretive and doesn't like telling them anything for the first six books. When they find out what he's been hiding they both rage at and abandon him, then later [[ChangedMyMindKid come back]] to help him. For the rest of the series, he's still TheStoic but has a much better relationship with them, and no more big secrets.
* ''Literature/HarryPotter'': The titular protagonist
tries this on Dumbledore a few times.



* Fairly early on in David Eddings' ''Literature/TheBelgariad'', Garion rages against his "Aunt" Polgara, whom he's recently discovered to actually be a centuries-old sorceress of nigh-unsurpassed wisdom and power, who quite clearly isn't ''actually'' his aunt... Granted, there really ''are'' a lot of rather significant things she isn't telling him, for reasons that aren't really explained anywhere in the series itself (it's AllThereInTheManual, though, or in this case, the stand-alone ''Polgara The Sorceress'' faux-biographical tome), but he was still somewhat out of line, claiming that lives of 'ordinary people' like him were mere pawns and playthings to her. Especially considering that she's spent the last several centuries personally safeguarding [[RoyalBlood his line]]...
* The mysterious and highly ambiguous Deth in ''Literature/TheRiddleMasterTrilogy'' by Creator/PatriciaAMcKillip, who borders on being a TreacherousAdvisor.
* ''DeusExMachina'' Mentor the Arisian is the target of wails of angst from one of his advanced students in ''Children of the Lens'', when she's told that the breeding programme she's the ultimate expression of makes her "...in some ways, even less human than I am myself..."

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* Fairly early on in David Eddings' ''Literature/TheBelgariad'', Garion rages against his "Aunt" Polgara, whom he's recently discovered to actually be a centuries-old sorceress of nigh-unsurpassed wisdom and power, who quite clearly isn't ''actually'' his aunt... Granted, there really ''are'' ''Literature/TheHungerGames'': Katniss spends a lot of rather significant things she isn't telling him, for reasons the third book angry with Haymitch [[spoiler:for not fulfilling his promise to rescue Peeta, letting her become a prisoner of Capitol in favor of saving Katniss]]. Peeta's not very happy with him either at that aren't really explained anywhere in point.
* ''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': The overarching plot of ''Literature/LoomingShadow'' is Eric raging against Dengel and
the series itself (it's AllThereInTheManual, though, or in this case, immense shadow he casts over all mages, himself included, because he literally wrote the stand-alone ''Polgara The Sorceress'' faux-biographical tome), book on magecraft but he was still somewhat out of line, claiming that lives of 'ordinary people' like him were mere pawns and playthings to her. Especially considering that she's spent the last several centuries personally safeguarding [[RoyalBlood his line]]...
* The mysterious and highly ambiguous Deth in ''Literature/TheRiddleMasterTrilogy'' by Creator/PatriciaAMcKillip, who borders on being
a TreacherousAdvisor.
* ''DeusExMachina'' Mentor the Arisian is the target of wails of angst from one of his advanced students in ''Children of the Lens'', when she's told that the breeding programme she's the ultimate expression of makes her "...in some ways, even less human than I am myself..."
horrible person.



* In ''Literature/TheHungerGames'', Katniss spends a lot of the third book angry with Haymitch.
** Peeta's not very happy with him either at that point.
* The Literature/{{Deverry}} Cycle: Rhegor gets this from Nevyn [[spoiler:after Brangwen and Gerraent die.]] Subverted in that the laws of dweomer say that someone has to ask the right questions in order to learn the information that Rhegor was withholding. Nevyn also gets this a few times (sometimes for less reason), and Dallandra catches a few hits too. (While Salamander does withhold information at times, it's not to someone he has a mentor-type relationship with.)
* Hoole is the Arranda's uncle and guardian in ''Literature/GalaxyOfFear'', and he's extremely secretive and doesn't like telling them anything for the first six books. When they find out what he's been hiding they both rage at and abandon him, then later [[ChangedMyMindKid come back]] to help him. For the rest of the series, he's still TheStoic but has a much better relationship with them, and no more big secrets.
* ''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': The overarching plot of ''Literature/LoomingShadow'' is Eric raging against Dengel and the immense shadow he casts over all mages, himself included, because he literally wrote the book on magecraft but was a horrible person.

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* In ''Literature/TheHungerGames'', Katniss spends a lot of the third book angry with Haymitch.
** Peeta's not very happy with him either at that point.
*
''Literature/TheRiddleMasterTrilogy'': The Literature/{{Deverry}} Cycle: Rhegor gets this from Nevyn [[spoiler:after Brangwen mysterious and Gerraent die.]] Subverted in that the laws of dweomer say that someone has to ask the right questions in order to learn the information that Rhegor was withholding. Nevyn also gets this a few times (sometimes for less reason), and Dallandra catches a few hits too. (While Salamander does withhold information at times, it's not to someone he has a mentor-type relationship with.)
* Hoole is the Arranda's uncle and guardian in ''Literature/GalaxyOfFear'', and he's extremely secretive and doesn't like telling them anything for the first six books. When they find out what he's been hiding they both rage at and abandon him, then later [[ChangedMyMindKid come back]] to help him. For the rest of the series, he's still TheStoic but has a much better relationship with them, and no more big secrets.
* ''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': The overarching plot of ''Literature/LoomingShadow'' is Eric raging against Dengel and the immense shadow he casts over all mages, himself included, because he literally wrote the book
highly ambiguous Deth borders on magecraft but was being a horrible person.TreacherousAdvisor.



* ''[[Series/Daredevil2015 Daredevil]]'' has Matt meet the mysterious Stick - the man who trained him in martial arts, for the first time in nearly two decades and his first response is to punch him in the face for abandoning him as a child. Stick then quips "Anything else?", and Matt replies, "You're a dick". The second season when Elektra comes calling for Matt reveals that she was also tutored by Stick as well, and seemingly has a better relationship with him, until she decides that she wants to be more than [[TykeBomb his human weapon]] and severs ties with him. She later tries to kill him personally, though at that point, [[spoiler:Stick ordering a hit on her understandably pissed her off. Even if we later find out some [[ShootTheDog very good reasons why]] [[ApocalypseMaiden she's better off dead]]]].

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* ''[[Series/Daredevil2015 Daredevil]]'' has ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Matt meet Murdock meets the mysterious Stick - the man who trained him in martial arts, for the first time in nearly two decades and his first response is to punch him in the face for abandoning him as a child. Stick then quips "Anything else?", and Matt replies, "You're a dick". The second season when Elektra comes calling for Matt reveals that she was also tutored by Stick as well, and seemingly has a better relationship with him, until she decides that she wants to be more than [[TykeBomb [[{{Tykebomb}} his human weapon]] and severs ties with him. She later tries to kill him personally, though at that point, [[spoiler:Stick ordering a hit on her understandably pissed her off. Even if we later find out some [[ShootTheDog very good reasons why]] [[ApocalypseMaiden she's better off dead]]]].



* Mulder confronted Deep Throat about this in the first season finale of ''Series/TheXFiles''. Of course, Deep Throat's motives were always open to interpretation.

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* ''Series/TheXFiles'': Mulder confronted Deep Throat about this in the first season finale of ''Series/TheXFiles''.finale. Of course, Deep Throat's motives were always open to interpretation.

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* Mob in ''Manga/MobPsycho100'' eventually gets fed up with Reigen overworking him (particularly when some friends ask him on a night out and Reigen brushes it off as them trying to take advantage of Mob) and takes a break from exorcising to teach him a lesson. They do reconcile, but after Reigen gets a good dose of character development.



* While Alexander Williams, the titular hero of ''Webcomic/CaptainSNES'', has yet to get many concrete answers from Bob, he has called him out for his secrecy to the point of ''[[http://www.captainsnes.com/2003/01/29/270-bad-call/ suplexing him into a table]]''.
* Pato, from ''Webcomic/M9Girls'', lets the Professor have it when he confesses the reason he hired them as his interns.
* Roy of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' calls out the ghost of his father for giving him a crucial [[ProphecyTwist but extremely vague]] piece of advice that could have lead to a TotalPartyKill had it been misinterpreted. His father justifies this by pointing out that if he ''had'' phrased it as a direct command, Roy would have refused to do it on principle. Given [[IAmNotMyFather how Roy feels about this particular mentor in general]], he's probably right.
* ''Webcomic/AngelMoxie'': Alex to Miya, after learning about Miya's NiceJobBreakingItHero arc.

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* ''Webcomic/CaptainSNES'': While Alexander Williams, the titular hero of ''Webcomic/CaptainSNES'', Williams has yet to get many concrete answers from Bob, he has called him out for his secrecy to the point of ''[[http://www.captainsnes.com/2003/01/29/270-bad-call/ suplexing him into a table]]''.
* ''Webcomic/M9Girls'': Pato, from ''Webcomic/M9Girls'', lets the Professor have it when he confesses the reason he hired them as his interns.
* ''Webcomic/MobPsycho100'': Mob eventually gets fed up with Reigen overworking him (particularly when some friends ask him on a night out and Reigen brushes it off as them trying to take advantage of Mob) and takes a break from exorcising to teach him a lesson. They do reconcile, but after Reigen gets a good dose of character development.
* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':
Roy of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' calls out the ghost of his father for giving him a crucial [[ProphecyTwist but extremely vague]] piece of advice that could have lead to a TotalPartyKill had it been misinterpreted. His father justifies this by pointing out that if he ''had'' phrased it as a direct command, Roy would have refused to do it on principle. Given [[IAmNotMyFather how Roy feels about this particular mentor in general]], he's probably right.
* ''Webcomic/AngelMoxie'': Alex to Miya, after learning about Miya's NiceJobBreakingItHero arc.
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* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreed'': After Altair realizes that there's more to the nine men that [[TheMentor Al-Mualim]] is having him hunt down, he announces he's fed up of getting riddles and cryptic words from both sides.
--> '''Altair:''' You said the answer to my question would arise when I no longer needed to ask it. So I will not ask. I ''demand'' you tell me what binds these men!



* ''VideoGame/HomeworldCataclysm'': The HopelessBossFight against the Bentusi race for fleeing instead of helping against the The Beast EldritchAbomination, ending with a the commander of the Kuun-Laan shaming them into helping with an emotional TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.
* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'':
** ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2'': it is Axel's evasiveness about Xion and Roxas' natures that [[spoiler: directly leads to Roxas' leaving the Organization.]] For the most part, Axel keeps the information under his hat because he believes it to be [[AwfulTruth something Roxas ''really'' doesn't need to know]]. That doesn't stop it from undermining Roxas' trust in him, though.
** ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'': [[spoiler: if Master Eraqus had simply told Terra that "Xehanort is evil and he's using Ven to further his plot" instead of outright attacking Ven while Terra watched, the two of them might not have had to fight each other, and unfortunately, this Rage Against the Mentor went a bit farther than most did.]] To his credit, he ''does'' seem to realize he's made a mistake and both of them are immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regretful]].
* In the ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' games, and other accompanying media, this is pretty much the catalyst for Jedi involvement in the Mandalorian War- and thus, the reason for the Jedi Civil War.



* In the ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' games, and other accompanying media, this is pretty much the catalyst for Jedi involvement in the Mandalorian War- and thus, the reason for the Jedi Civil War.
* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'':
** ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2'': it is Axel's evasiveness about Xion and Roxas' natures that [[spoiler: directly leads to Roxas' leaving the Organization.]] For the most part, Axel keeps the information under his hat because he believes it to be [[AwfulTruth something Roxas ''really'' doesn't need to know]]. That doesn't stop it from undermining Roxas' trust in him, though.
** ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'': [[spoiler: if Master Eraqus had simply told Terra that "Xehanort is evil and he's using Ven to further his plot" instead of outright attacking Ven while Terra watched, the two of them might not have had to fight each other, and unfortunately, this Rage Against the Mentor went a bit farther than most did.]] To his credit, he ''does'' seem to realize he's made a mistake and both of them are immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regretful]].
* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreed'': After Altair realizes that there's more to the nine men that [[TheMentor Al-Mualim]] is having him hunt down, he announces he's fed up of getting riddles and cryptic words from both sides.
--> '''Altair:''' You said the answer to my question would arise when I no longer needed to ask it. So I will not ask. I ''demand'' you tell me what binds these men!



* ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'': The climax of the Hybreed AlienInvasion MythArc involves Ben raging against his mentor Asmuth over the issue of finding a non-lethal solution to their invasion, with Asmuth asserting that killing them is the only option.
* In the Franchise/{{DCAU}}, Dick Grayson quitting as Robin and becoming Nightwing instead was a result of one of these. Although the two patched up things somewhat later, ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' implies he's still somewhat bitter about this, seventy years later.



* Twilight Sparkle gets a very short one of these, barely a scene long, in the third season episode "Keep Calm and Flutter On" of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. When Celestia brings [[MeaningfulName Discord]] to Ponyville and tells the Mane 6 that she expects them to reform him Twilight promptly screams a query of Celestia's sanity right in the Princess's face.
* ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'': At the end of "Turning Point," Spider-Man has had enough of [[AllPowerfulBystander Madame Web's]] cryptic and unhelpful nature, especially when she states she can't/won't retrieve Mary Jane from the dimensional limbo the Green Goblin sent her to, and ''explodes'' on her, screaming at her to leave him alone. She obliges, only returning come the show's final arc.
-->'''Madame Web''': This is the path you chose for yourself. To do things on your own. Once that decision is made there is no turning back. It is yet another thing that you have to learn.\\
'''Spider-Man''': Learn?! I am ''tired'' of you... [[FigureItOutYourself and your riddles. And your]] ''[[FigureItOutYourself lessons!]]'' And your SUPREME ARROGANCE! Don't you ever, ''EVER'' enter my life again! Do you hear me? '''''DO YOU HEAR ME?!'''''



* In the Franchise/{{DCAU}}, Dick Grayson quitting as Robin and becoming Nightwing instead was a result of one of these. Although the two patched up things somewhat later, ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' implies he's still somewhat bitter about this, seventy years later.
* Twilight Sparkle gets a very short one of these, barely a scene long, in the third season episode "Keep Calm and Flutter On" of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. When Celestia brings [[MeaningfulName Discord]] to Ponyville and tells the Mane 6 that she expects them to reform him Twilight promptly screams a query of Celestia's sanity right in the Princess's face.
* ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'': At the end of "Turning Point," Spider-Man has had enough of [[AllPowerfulBystander Madame Web's]] cryptic and unhelpful nature, especially when she states she can't/won't retrieve Mary Jane from the dimensional limbo the Green Goblin sent her to, and ''explodes'' on her, screaming at her to leave him alone. She obliges, only returning come the show's final arc.
-->'''Madame Web''': This is the path you chose for yourself. To do things on your own. Once that decision is made there is no turning back. It is yet another thing that you have to learn.\\
'''Spider-Man''': Learn?! I am ''tired'' of you... [[FigureItOutYourself and your riddles. And your]] ''[[FigureItOutYourself lessons!]]'' And your SUPREME ARROGANCE! Don't you ever, ''EVER'' enter my life again! Do you hear me? '''''DO YOU HEAR ME?!'''''
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* ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice''
** [[strike: Speedy]] Red Arrow vehemently called out the Justice League (by extension, Green Arrow) and quits, seeing that the Justice League didn't take him seriously and treated him only as a sidekick. Robin, Kid Flash, and Aqualad did a minor one, where they threatened to leave also. The League relented and TheTeam was born.

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* ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice''
''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010'':
** [[strike: Speedy]] Red Arrow vehemently called out the Justice League (by extension, Green Arrow) and quits, seeing that the Justice League didn't take him seriously and treated him only as a sidekick. Robin, Kid Flash, and Aqualad did a minor one, where they threatened to leave also. The League relented and TheTeam was born.



** [[spoiler:The original Roy Harper]] blames Ollie for letting him be kidnapped, maimed, and replaced. He also calls him out on giving up on him while [[spoiler:his own clone]] picked up the slack and rescued him. He finishes it up by calling Ollie useless. After this, combined with [[spoiler: Artemis faking her death]], Ollie is [[ItsAllMyFault crushed]] and considers himself to be the worst mentor ever. Red Arrow then ''inverts'' this trope and gives Ollie a YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre speech.
** Interestingly enough, it's averted when Dick Grayson becomes Nightwing. Here, it isn't because he's angry at Bruce, it's because he felt the need to grow up and become his own man [[spoiler: and because he's now the team leader.]]

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** [[spoiler:The original Roy Harper]] blames Ollie for letting him be kidnapped, maimed, and replaced. He also calls him out on giving up on him while [[spoiler:his own clone]] picked up the slack and rescued him. He finishes it up by calling Ollie useless. After this, combined with [[spoiler: Artemis [[spoiler:Artemis faking her death]], Ollie is [[ItsAllMyFault crushed]] and considers himself to be the worst mentor ever. Red Arrow then ''inverts'' this trope and gives Ollie a YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre speech.
** Interestingly enough, it's averted when Dick Grayson becomes Nightwing. Here, it isn't because he's angry at Bruce, it's because he felt the need to grow up and become his own man [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and because he's now the team leader.]]leader]].
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* In ''Fanfic/TheNightUnfurls'', Sanakan and Hugh's {{flashback}} in Chapter 7 of the original [[{{Subverted}} subverts]] this trope. The two [[TheApprentice apprentices]] want answers from their MentorInSourArmor Kyril regarding the contract they've taken to become [[HunterOfMonsters hunters]]. It is then Kyril hints that he himself has "changed beyond all human reasoning", or rather, [[spoiler:he's [[HumanoidAbomination not even human]]]]. Worried that they themselves may turn into something worse one day, Sanakan is just about to call him out, only for Kyril to stop her from doing so. He then reassures the two that such an outcome would not come to pass, explains the reasoning for taking the two as his students, and last but not least, opens up to them about his motive to fight against the Black Dogs. The end result is that Kyril gains Sanakan and Hugh's trust as a kind and honest mentor.
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** ''VideoGame/Persona5'': Yusuke is furious when he discovers his adopted father Madarame sees his students as nothing but fuel for his own ego and career. It turns to complete hatred when he finds out [[spoiler:Madarame [[DeathByInaction let his ill mother die]] to steal her last painting and take credit for it. Then adopted her son, Yusuke himself, to take advantage of his own artistic talents.]]

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5'': Yusuke is furious when he discovers his adopted father Madarame sees his students as nothing but fuel for his own ego and career. It turns to complete hatred when he finds out [[spoiler:Madarame [[DeathByInaction [[MurderByInaction let his ill mother die]] to steal her last painting and take credit for it. Then adopted her son, Yusuke himself, to take advantage of his own artistic talents.]]
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** ''VideoGame/Persona5'': Yusuke is furious when he discovers his adopted father Madarame sees his students as nothing but fuel for his own ego and career. It turns to complete hatred when he finds out [[spoiler:Madarame [[DeathByInaction let his ill mother die die]] to steal her last painting and take credit for it. Then adopted her son, Yusuke himself, to take advantage of his own artistic talents.]]
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* ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'': At the end of "Turning Point," Spider-Man has had enough of [[AllPowerfulBystander Madame Web's]] cryptic and unhelpful nature, especially when she states she can't/won't retrieve Mary Jane from the dimensional limbo the Green Goblin sent her to, and ''explodes'' on her, screaming at her to leave him alone. She obliges, only returning come the show's final arc.
-->'''Madame Web''': This is the path you chose for yourself. To do things on your own. Once that decision is made there is no turning back. It is yet another thing that you have to learn.\\
'''Spider-Man''': Learn?! I am ''tired'' of you... [[FigureItOutYourself and your riddles. And your]] ''[[FigureItOutYourself lessons!]]'' And your SUPREME ARROGANCE! Don't you ever, ''EVER'' enter my life again! Do you hear me? '''''DO YOU HEAR ME?!'''''
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* Used by the kids in the ''WesternAnimation/DungeonsAndDragons'' episode "The Dragon's Graveyard", when despite their mentor's protests (they're planning to... ahem, [[NeverSayDie take care]] of Venger once and for all), they get some straight answers from Dungeon Master regarding Tiamat and their own weapons.

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* Used by the kids in the ''WesternAnimation/DungeonsAndDragons'' ''WesternAnimation/DungeonsAndDragons1983'' episode "The Dragon's Graveyard", when despite their mentor's protests (they're planning to... ahem, [[NeverSayDie take care]] of Venger once and for all), they get some straight answers from Dungeon Master regarding Tiamat and their own weapons.
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There is not much comparaison to do between Discord and Satan.


* Twilight Sparkle gets a very short one of these, barely a scene long, in the third season episode "Keep Calm and Flutter On" of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. When Celestia brings [[MeaningfulName Discord]] to Ponyville and tells the Mane 6 that she expects them to reform him Twilight promptly screams a query of Celestia's sanity right in the Princess's face. For the uninformed, Discord is somewhere between TheTrickster and the Equestria equivalent of ''{{Satan}}''.

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* Twilight Sparkle gets a very short one of these, barely a scene long, in the third season episode "Keep Calm and Flutter On" of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. When Celestia brings [[MeaningfulName Discord]] to Ponyville and tells the Mane 6 that she expects them to reform him Twilight promptly screams a query of Celestia's sanity right in the Princess's face. For the uninformed, Discord is somewhere between TheTrickster and the Equestria equivalent of ''{{Satan}}''.
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* ''Fanfic/AncientSins'': Dante holds great resentment towards Celestia for leaving him in the other world as a baby.

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