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16th Aug '17 11:09:03 AM Phred
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* In ''WesternAnimation/HomeAdventuresWithTipAndOh'', Boov have BizarreAlienGenders that for easier human understanding, are expressed in combinations of "Boy" and "Girl". Thus the proper pronouns are used the same way; a Boy-Boy-Girl can be referred to as "Him-Him-Her", and so on.
7th Aug '17 10:48:30 PM TwinBird
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* In the episode "Heinous" of ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', Miss Heinous, who first met Marco DraggedIntoDrag, uses female pronouns for him even as everyone she talks to uses male; no one on either "side" questions this, or even seems to notice.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'':
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In the episode "Heinous" of ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', Miss Heinous, who first met Marco DraggedIntoDrag, uses female pronouns for him even as everyone she talks to uses male; no one on either "side" questions this, or even seems to notice.notice.
** In "the battle for Mewni," when a monster is at the edge of the Mewman capital, River first uses she/her pronouns, then several scenes later, River uses the word "it" once, then both River and Marco refer to the monster as "he" once each. The monster speaks with a male voice. Again, this passes without comment.
** Later in the same, Manfred, immediately after referring to Ludo as "sir," responds to an order with "yes'm."
30th Jul '17 6:49:22 AM Trentonater
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** Neferpitou is another problem. Nongendered pronouns are used for them in Japan, but western licensed translations have caused unnecessary confusion by using mostly male pronouns.

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** Neferpitou is another problem. Nongendered No gendered pronouns are used for them in Japan, the manga but western Neferpitou is a "he" in the databook. Western licensed translations have caused unnecessary confusion by using mostly use male pronouns.
26th Jul '17 5:38:39 PM Scorntex
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** Discussed in ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'', when an angaran ambassador asks the head of the Nexus Cultural Center, an asari, how they deal with pronouns as a monogendered species. The asari informs him that it largely depends on the asari.
16th May '17 5:25:48 PM nombretomado
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* Natani in ''TwoKinds'' is a troublesome case because she was originally female forced conceal her gender due to misogynistic attitudes of her peers, but after having her soul damaged by a magical attack parts of it were repaired with her brother's soul, leaving him/her perceiving himself as a male in female body. What's even more troublesome, it appears that the female part of him isn't as dead as previously thought.

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* Natani in ''TwoKinds'' ''Webcomic/TwoKinds'' is a troublesome case because she was originally female forced conceal her gender due to misogynistic attitudes of her peers, but after having her soul damaged by a magical attack parts of it were repaired with her brother's soul, leaving him/her perceiving himself as a male in female body. What's even more troublesome, it appears that the female part of him isn't as dead as previously thought.
14th Apr '17 7:33:02 PM TwinBird
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* In the episode "Heinous" of ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', Miss Heinous, who first met Marco DraggedIntoDrag, uses female pronouns for him even as everyone she talks to uses male; no one on either "side" questions this, or even seems to notice.
12th Apr '17 8:38:36 PM NWolfman
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* As the concept of nonbinary gender identification has gained more notice, this problem often crops up with people attempting to be polite. Many just use he/she based on their initial assumptions. Others who identify as "masculine but not entirely male" will use he while "feminine but not female" use she; others who identify as both or neither might use either, or, and even alternate between both; and to top it all off there's a growing trend of coming up with entirely new pronouns or adopting others'. It's often a good rule of thumb to just ask first, and default to singular "they" if you can't ask. Most consider it rude to refer to them as "{{it|IsDehumanizing}}" unless prompted.

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* As the concept of nonbinary gender identification has gained more notice, this problem often crops up with people attempting to be polite. Many just use he/she based on their initial assumptions. Others who identify as "masculine but not entirely male" will use he while "feminine but not female" use she; others who identify as both or neither might use either, or, and even alternate between both; and to top it all off there's a growing trend of coming up with entirely new pronouns or adopting others'. It's often a good rule of thumb to just ask first, and default to singular "they" if you can't ask. Most consider it rude to And if you value your life, never, ever, ''ever'' [[BerserkButton refer to them as as]] "{{it|IsDehumanizing}}" unless prompted.
12th Apr '17 8:36:53 PM NWolfman
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* A reoccurring theme of ''Manic Pixie Nightmare Girl'', which primarily deals with the social ramifications of being transgender, is misgendering. [[http://themanicpixienightmaregirl.tumblr.com/post/144109850062/return-of-the-trans-ally One comic]] has Jess runs into an old friend who starts gushing about her brother transitioning, but continues to refer to her by male pronouns. Jess tells the friend to stop misgendering her now-sister, only for the friend to unleash a HurricaneOfExcuses as to why she does, making Jess even more annoyed by the [[NeverMyFault lack of empathy]].

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* A reoccurring theme of ''Manic Pixie Nightmare Girl'', which primarily deals with the social ramifications of being transgender, is misgendering. [[http://themanicpixienightmaregirl.tumblr.com/post/144109850062/return-of-the-trans-ally One comic]] has Jess runs into an old friend who starts gushing about her brother transitioning, transitioning into a woman, but continues to refer to her by male pronouns. Jess tells the friend to stop misgendering her now-sister, only for the friend to unleash a HurricaneOfExcuses as to why she does, making Jess even more annoyed by the [[NeverMyFault lack of empathy]].
28th Mar '17 8:41:45 AM 6
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* On {{Scandal}}, a flashback to when Cyrus was closeted has him talking to Fitz about seeing someone new (James). Fitz actually handles it really well; he uses the terms "person" and "this person", leaves the door open for Cyrus to tell him more if Cyrus decides to, and upon establishing Cyrus is happy and in love, declares, "Then, that's all that matters." Cyrus, on the other hand- "it" and "they" are used when, in both instances, "this person" would work just as well for him as it did for Fitz. Granted, trying to tell the President of the United States he has a gay Chief of Staff who is dating an opinionated male journalist who was critical of said President's campaign likely would be an extremely stressful situation. Whether how Cyrus does eventually come out is a better or worse way to do so from a professional standpoint, it's certainly a big HeartwarmingMoment.
21st Mar '17 8:17:21 AM wolfpuppy
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* There's no consistent set of pronouns for [[BenevolentAI The Machine]] in ''Series/PersonOfInterest" where everyone seems to refer to her differently. Her creator, Finch, uses "it" while her analog interface, the person she talks to most often, uses "she" while the main character, Reese, uses "he" but tends to avoid pronouns. The majority of secondary characters don't know what The Machine is and tend to assume that she's a collective and use "they". Generally, though, the show used "it" to refer to her early on and "she" to refer to her later, once Root came along and especially [[spoiler: after The Machine took Root's voice]].

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* There's no consistent set of pronouns for [[BenevolentAI The Machine]] in ''Series/PersonOfInterest" ''Series/PersonOfInterest'' where everyone seems to refer to her differently. Her creator, Finch, uses "it" while her analog interface, the person she talks to most often, uses "she" while the main character, Reese, uses "he" but tends to avoid pronouns. The majority of secondary characters don't know what The Machine is and tend to assume that she's a collective and use "they". Generally, though, the show used "it" to refer to her early on and "she" to refer to her later, once Root came along and especially [[spoiler: after The Machine took Root's voice]].
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