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13th Jun '18 9:17:22 PM ImpudentInfidel
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*** One example that comes up in the third game is that their word translated as "father" is gender neutral. Mentioning that calling a female parent "father" is confusing to a human gets Shepard called an "[[SophisticatedAsHell anthropocentric bag of dicks]]."
1st Jun '18 11:54:37 PM weissman88
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* A reoccurring theme of ''Manic Pixie Nightmare Girl'', which primarily deals with the social ramifications of being transgender, is misgendering. [[http://themanicpixienightmaregirl.tumblr.com/post/144109850062/return-of-the-trans-ally One comic]] has Jess runs into an old friend who starts gushing about her brother transitioning into a woman, but continues to refer to her by male pronouns. Jess tells the friend to stop misgendering her now-sister, only for the friend to unleash a HurricaneOfExcuses as to why she does, making Jess even more annoyed by the [[NeverMyFault lack of empathy]].
1st Jun '18 11:52:49 PM weissman88
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* As the concept of nonbinary gender identification has gained more notice, this problem often crops up with people attempting to be polite. Many just use he/she based on their initial assumptions. Others who identify as "masculine but not entirely male" will use he while "feminine but not female" use she; others who identify as both or neither might use either, or, and even alternate between both; and to top it all off there's a growing trend of coming up with entirely new pronouns or adopting others'. It's often a good rule of thumb to just ask first, and default to singular "they" if you can't ask. And if you value your life, never, ever, ''ever'' [[BerserkButton refer to them as]] "{{it|IsDehumanizing}}" unless prompted.
23rd May '18 3:08:03 PM system
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21st May '18 7:29:18 PM Horizon9
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* In the Literature/WhateleyUniverse, Heyoka (the codename) is a person of Lakota Indian origin whose first name is Jamie. Heyoka's superpower means that he/she shifts from masculine to feminine to in-between, as well as from human to part-animal. Even the other transgender at the school have trouble with pronouns in Jamie's case.
** Jade and the manifested J-Team have it even worse, as she cannot keep personal or impersonal pronouns straight. This is used as a RunningGag.
*** The J-Team issues aren't so much male/female, though, as a situation where [[MesACrowd their singularity/plurality varies over time.]] Plus, there's a Masquerade going on where she/they are pretending that she/they are "they" 24/7. Whereas, as she says, "It's all just me." Now if you want a Team Kimba member whose male/female pronouns get a beating, try Ayla. Originally male, legally female, mentally male, physically intersex (but 95% female). His pronouns change depending on whether characters are talking about his legal, mental, or physical aspects, how much they know about him, and whether they remember to switch. Even the readers can't agree!
*** Oh, and Jade is transsexual. Pre-Op near the beginning, post-op later on. Not a spoiler. Interestingly, no pronoun trouble, Jade is ALWAYS she. The omniscient narrator, however, uses He for Ayla, when written by Diane Castle.
21st May '18 7:26:05 PM Horizon9
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* As the concept of nonbinary gender identification has gained more notice, this problem often crops up with people attempting to be polite. Many just use he/she based on their initial assumptions. Others who identify as "masculine but not entirely male" will use he while "feminine but not female" use she; others who identify as both or neither might use either, or, and even alternate between both; and to top it all off there's a growing trend of coming up with entirely new pronouns or adopting others'. It's often a good rule of thumb to just ask first, and default to singular "they" if you can't ask. And if you value your life, never, ever, ''ever'' [[BerserkButton refer to them as]] "{{it|IsDehumanizing}}" unless prompted.
21st May '18 7:25:11 PM Horizon9
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A similar effect is seen whenever a piece of fiction includes a character who identifies with a non-binary gender, or comes from a race with BizarreAlienSexes. [[ItIsDehumanizing Referring to them as "it" is unacceptably rude]] (unless they explicitly prefer it). More original gender-neutral pronouns, like "s/he" or "ze", can be adopted, and the old standby of singular "they" is often acceptable from a grammatical viewpoint, depending on who you ask.

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A similar effect is seen whenever a piece of fiction includes a character who identifies with a non-binary gender, or comes from a race with BizarreAlienSexes. [[ItIsDehumanizing Referring to them as "it" is unacceptably rude]] (unless they explicitly prefer it). More original gender-neutral pronouns, like "s/he" or "ze", can be adopted, and the old standby of singular "they" is often acceptable from a grammatical viewpoint, depending on who you ask.
10th Apr '18 2:35:20 PM Twiddler
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* Similar to the ''ER'' example above, Drew in ''Series/{{Degrassi}}'' calls his [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] brother by his female birth name shortly before passing out from repeated head trauma. (And not like ''that''...)

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* Similar to the ''ER'' example above, Drew in ''Series/{{Degrassi}}'' calls his [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] {{transgender}} brother by his female birth name shortly before passing out from repeated head trauma. (And not like ''that''...)



** Nintendo has trouble whether they should refer to the {{Transsexual}} [[Characters/SuperMarioBrosAssortedNasties Birdo]] as male or female at times, so they've used "Birdo" as a pronoun at least once.

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** Nintendo has trouble whether they should refer to the {{Transsexual}} [[Characters/SuperMarioBrosAssortedNasties Birdo]] --whose gender has been portrayed inconsistently-- as male or female at times, so they've used "Birdo" as a pronoun at least once.
25th Mar '18 4:39:16 AM nurikokairu
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** Ranma himself is a bit of LostInTranslation. To see what obviously looked like a woman speaking with rough, exaggerated male speech was probably a bit of a surprise to Japanese readers.

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** Ranma himself is a bit of LostInTranslation. To see what someone obviously looked like a woman speaking with rough, exaggerated male speech was probably a bit of a surprise to Japanese readers.


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* ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'': Yubel is a {{Hermaphrodite}} duel spirit who has a literal female right side of the body and a male left side, so it's hard to actually referring to them with any pronouns. The [[Creator/FourKidsEntertainment 4Kids dub]] [[https://funnypictures3.fjcdn.com/comments/Blank+_201675d9ad79671bd8ab60a8a7207c40.jpg made them completely female]] due to the fact that they are in love with the totally male protagonist Judai, but translators for fansubs have a hard time with them. Many of them go with the 4Kids way by referring to them with she/her pronouns but this doesn't sit well with the people who acknowledge that they are half-male. This is still on heated debate even today.
18th Mar '18 9:37:30 PM JoeMerl
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* Tar Gibbons of the ''Literature/RodAlbrightAlienAdventures'', whose species has 5 sexes, actually prefers "it" pronouns. When Rod brings up [[ItIsDehumanizing the obvious objection]], it simply states that as it is neither male nor female, "he" or "she" pronouns would be wrong, and it considers that to be more insulting than just going with "it".

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* Tar Gibbons of the ''Literature/RodAlbrightAlienAdventures'', whose species has 5 sexes, actually prefers "it" pronouns. When Rod brings up [[ItIsDehumanizing the obvious objection]], it Tar Gibbons simply states that as it is neither male nor female, "he" or "she" pronouns would be wrong, and it considers that to be more insulting than just going with "it"."it."
* One [[SuperheroLiterature superhero novel]] called ''Geeks, Girls and Secret Identities'' has the protagonist, Vincent, discover that the local superhero, Captain Stupendous, is [[LegacyCharacter currently]] his crush, Polly, [[HenshinHero transforming]] into an adult man. Vincent's narration notes that, for his own sanity, he's just going to think of Polly as "he" or "she" depending on what body she's in.
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