History Main / PronounTrouble

29th Oct '17 3:36:32 PM BlueCaper
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[[GenderNeutralWriting Gender neutral pronouns]] and substitution of names for pronouns allows speakers in fiction to play a kind of pronoun game. The purpose of the game is usually to obscure someone's gender or identity to the audience (or other characters) in a natural manner. It can be used as a way to talk about the WholesomeCrossdresser before revealing their gender without anyone technically lying about it. Occasionally, it's also a way to refer to a machine or other creature as if they were a person.

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[[GenderNeutralWriting Gender neutral pronouns]] and substitution of names for pronouns for names allows speakers in fiction to play a kind of pronoun game. The purpose of the game is usually to obscure someone's gender or identity to the audience (or other characters) in a natural manner. It can be used as a way to talk about the WholesomeCrossdresser before revealing their gender without anyone technically lying about it. Occasionally, it's also a way to refer to a machine or other creature as if they were a person.
13th Oct '17 5:43:49 AM Derkhan
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* In ''Literature/TerraIgnota'', by the 25th century, "he" and "she" have been set aside in favor of the gender-neutral "they". So "they" is used in the in-universe dialogue, but [[UnreliableNarrator Mycroft]] uses "he" and "she" -- along with "thee" and "thou" when addressing the reader -- in the narration to mimic the style of 18th century writing he's trying to use. He doesn't really use them the traditional way, though, often assigning pronouns based on his perception of someone rather than their biological sex or outright stating that it's a carefully kept secret and he's just using what's covenient, as in the case of [[EverybodyWantsTheHermaphrodite Sniper]].
6th Oct '17 12:55:37 AM Lyendith
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5. You can just RefugeInAudacity and use words from another language to cover your rear. All of these loopholes have their own bizarre quirks, but you'd need a greater-than-average knowledge of Spanish (or at least skill with it) to know them all.[[/labelnote]]. French, on the other hand, changes almost all adjectives, pronouns, and even verbs to agree with gender, making this method difficult.

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5. You can just RefugeInAudacity and use words from another language to cover your rear. All of these loopholes have their own bizarre quirks, but you'd need a greater-than-average knowledge of Spanish (or at least skill with it) to know them all.[[/labelnote]]. French, on the other hand, changes almost all adjectives, pronouns, and even verbs to agree with gender, making this method difficult.
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26th Sep '17 8:16:29 AM SpocktorWho
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* [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Angels]] on ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' have NoBiologicalSex and can possess human vessels of either gender. They get around ItIsDehumanizing by referring to each other as "brother" or "sister" depending on the gender of the vessel and using the appropriate accompanying pronoun (though they use the blanket term "brothers" to talk about angels in general). When the angel Raphael switches from a male vessel to a female one, however, the demon Crowley has trouble deciding which pronoun to use, starting with "she", then reverting to the "he" he was used to using before. Fortunately for him, Raphael doesn't appear to care.
15th Sep '17 1:41:26 AM PaulA
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-->''But these tender passages, sacred though their fervour, did not pass unobserved by profane eyes; for crouched in the bushes and gritting his teeth was the dastardly 'Squire Hardman! When the lovers had finally strolled away he leapt out into the lane, [[DastardlyWhiplash twirling his moustache]] and riding-crop, and [[KickTheDog kicking an unquestionably innocent cat]] who was also out strolling.\\

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-->''But these tender passages, sacred though their fervour, did not pass unobserved by profane eyes; for crouched in the bushes and gritting his teeth was the dastardly 'Squire Hardman! When the lovers had finally strolled away he leapt out into the lane, viciously [[DastardlyWhiplash twirling his moustache]] and riding-crop, and [[KickTheDog kicking an unquestionably innocent cat]] who was also out strolling.\\
15th Sep '17 1:40:10 AM PaulA
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* Made the subject of a brief joke in one of Creator/HPLovecraft's rare comedic tales, ''Sweet Ermengarde:''
-->But these tender passages, sacred through their fervour, did not pass unobserved by profane eyes; for crouched in the bushes and gritting his teeth was the dastardly Squire Hardman! When the lovers had finally strolled away he leapt out into the lane, viciously [[DastardlyWhiplash twirling his moustache]] and riding-crop, and [[KickTheDog kicking]] an unquestionably innocent cat who was also out strolling.\\
"Curses!" he cried — Hardman, not the cat — "I am foiled in my plot to get the farm and the girl!"

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* Made the subject of a brief joke in one of Creator/HPLovecraft's rare comedic tales, ''Sweet Ermengarde:''
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"Literature/SweetErmengarde":
-->''But
these tender passages, sacred through though their fervour, did not pass unobserved by profane eyes; for crouched in the bushes and gritting his teeth was the dastardly Squire 'Squire Hardman! When the lovers had finally strolled away he leapt out into the lane, viciously [[DastardlyWhiplash twirling his moustache]] and riding-crop, and [[KickTheDog kicking]] kicking an unquestionably innocent cat cat]] who was also out strolling.\\
"Curses!" he cried -- Hardman, not the cat -- "I am foiled in my plot to get the farm and the girl!"girl!"''
5th Sep '17 4:48:46 PM bigmouth12349
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* In a supplemental short story for ''Webcomic/ReversedStar'', there’s an alien with four heads called a “stalk.” A single head uses the prounoun “it,” while the whole creature (which is implied to have a sort of shared consciousness) is referred to as “they.”
16th Aug '17 11:09:03 AM Phred
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* In ''WesternAnimation/HomeAdventuresWithTipAndOh'', Boov have BizarreAlienGenders that for easier human understanding, are expressed in combinations of "Boy" and "Girl". Thus the proper pronouns are used the same way; a Boy-Boy-Girl can be referred to as "Him-Him-Her", and so on.
7th Aug '17 10:48:30 PM TwinBird
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* In the episode "Heinous" of ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', Miss Heinous, who first met Marco DraggedIntoDrag, uses female pronouns for him even as everyone she talks to uses male; no one on either "side" questions this, or even seems to notice.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'':
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In the episode "Heinous" of ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', Miss Heinous, who first met Marco DraggedIntoDrag, uses female pronouns for him even as everyone she talks to uses male; no one on either "side" questions this, or even seems to notice.notice.
** In "the battle for Mewni," when a monster is at the edge of the Mewman capital, River first uses she/her pronouns, then several scenes later, River uses the word "it" once, then both River and Marco refer to the monster as "he" once each. The monster speaks with a male voice. Again, this passes without comment.
** Later in the same, Manfred, immediately after referring to Ludo as "sir," responds to an order with "yes'm."
30th Jul '17 6:49:22 AM Trentonater
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** Neferpitou is another problem. Nongendered pronouns are used for them in Japan, but western licensed translations have caused unnecessary confusion by using mostly male pronouns.

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** Neferpitou is another problem. Nongendered No gendered pronouns are used for them in Japan, the manga but western Neferpitou is a "he" in the databook. Western licensed translations have caused unnecessary confusion by using mostly use male pronouns.
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