History Main / PretenderDiss

** In "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E10Hush Hush]]", Willow dismisses most of the neo-pagans at her college (except Tara) as a "bunch of wannablessedbes", since they have no idea that magic exists and how witches are really like. For their part they blow her off as someone who's seen too many movies and isn't taking their religion seriously... just like they would in real life.

* Darius, head of the Abomination coven in ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'', which focuses around conjuring {{Golem}}s made of purple muck, finds the Abomatons (abominations which continue to exist without a witch sustaining them and which [{MagiTek incorporate advanced technology to empower them]]) created by Alador Blight to be disgusting, and outright calls Alador a hack.

* Darius, head of the Abomination coven in ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'', which focuses around conjuring {{Golem}}s made of purple muck, finds the Abomitons (abominations which continue to exist without a witch sustaining them and which incorporate advanced technology to empower them) created by Alador Blight to be disgusting, and outright calls Alador a hack.

** During the Universe Survival Saga, [[spoiler:Frieza does this to Frost, his [[AlternateSelf Universe 6 counterpart]], [{EvilerThanThou dismissing him as a weak amateur]].]]

** The first time Goku Black fights Vegeta, he wins decisively. The second time, Vegeta just ''whales'' on him while dishing out a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, declaring that [[spoiler:Black is just a fake Saiyan who stole Goku's body and thus the power Goku worked so hard to achieve, and he could ''never'' use Goku's body as well as the real deal.]]
--->'''Black''': How can there be a such a huge power gap between us?!\\
'''Vegeta:''' That's simple: you're an interloper, a [[spoiler:Saiyan imposter.]] And ''I'm'' the real thing. THE ALMIGHTY PRINCE VEGETA!
** During the Universe Survival Saga, [[spoiler:Frieza does this to Frost, his [[AlternateSelf Universe 6 counterpart]], dismissing him as a weak amateur.]]

* ''Anime/YuGiOh'': People like Seto Kaiba and Siegfried von Schroeder who treat Duel Monsters as SeriousBusiness tend to mock Katsuya Jonouchi as not a real duelist because of his relative lack of skill and experience and his use of luck-based cards.
* ''Manga/YuGiOhR'': Seto Kaiba mocks the Wicked God Cards and says they are nothing but cheap knockoffs of the Egyptian God Cards.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions'': Seto Kaiba duels a holographic simulation of Yami Yugi. When Kaiba easily wins, he says the simulation was nothing compared to the real Yami Yugi.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'': Edo Phoenix constantly calls Judai Yuki's Elemental Hero monsters fakers and inferior to his Destiny Hero monsters. Edo also hates Judai for only dueling for fun and not treating the card game as SeriousBusiness like he does, and says he doesn't deserve to use Hero monsters at all. Judai eventually manages to win Edo's respect.

* ''Film/TheDarkKnight'': Batman scolds the band of vigilantes.
-->'''Batman Wannabe:''' What gives you the right? What's the difference between you and me?\\
'''Batman:''' I'm not wearing hockey pads!
** Though, while it comes across this way, it's actually a very practical concern. He's wearing ridiculously advanced body armor, and these well-meaning idiots are going to get themselves killed. [[spoiler: And they do]].
* Bane has his own taunt for Batman during their fight in ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises''.
-->'''Bane:''' You think the darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, and by then, it was nothing to me but blinding! [[BadassBoast The shadows betray you because they belong to me]]!

* ''Film/GalaxyQuest'' has a double example during the final battle. [[BigBad Sarris]] constantly reminds the Protector crew that he is a General with actual war experience, while they are merely actors. Jason (who plays [[TheCaptain Commander Taggart]]) throws this back in his face by pointing out how Sarris [[VillainousBreakdown has lost his cool]] from the last time they fought, letting slip that he thinks they might have a chance this time.
-->'''Jason:''' It doesn't take a great actor to recognize a bad one. You're sweating!
* ''Film/{{The Maltese Falcon|1941}}'': Sam Spade has venomous contempt for wannabe tough-guy and [[AmbiguouslyGay "gunsel"]], Wilmer.
* ''Film/TheMatrixReloaded''. Neo and the rest of the crew of the Nebuchadnezzar can't stand the Kid, who's always following them around and bothering them because he wants to become a member of the crew too.
* In ''Film/SLCPunk'', the movie's beginning is largely about the main character explaining who the fake punks are and why he hates them. [[spoiler: It closes with him finally admitting that he is himself a poser, accepting it, and moving on from the lifestyle]].
* In the music documentary on No-Wave, ''Film/KillYourIdols'':
** A few of the interviewees express hatred for modern music, which they deem to be full of wannabes compared to ''their'' generation of music, which they consider to be legit. The most outspoken on this side of the scale is probably Lydia Lunch.
** Lydia, in turn, is generally dismissed as a bad joke by performance artists.
* William Munny's reaction to the Schofield Kid in ''Film/{{Unforgiven}}''. Bill Daggett has a similar reaction to English Bob. The difference between the two men is that Daggett loves to boast about how badass the ''real'' thing is and slam down pretenders. Munney has enough self-awareness to know that he and Daggett are horrible, disgusting people, and that the "pretenders" are ultimately better than the genuine article.

* The villain bikers in ''Film/WildHogs'' don't like Tim Allen's little group because they're a bunch of middle-aged men who just bike for fun instead of riding across the nation leaving terror in their wake, and call them posers. Then it gets turned around on them when their hero shows up and points out that they're a gang of fifty-someodd young men in their prime; and four middle-aged office workers, who only bike for the wind in their hair and the road beneath their wheels, are standing up to ''them''; so who's the poser again?
* In the wretched 80s rock/horror flick ''Film/TrickOrTreat'', the protagonist verbally provokes the Satanic rocker's ghost to lure him into a trap. He finally succeeds in getting the reaction he wants by calling the ghost a fucking wimp poser.
* In the original ''Film/FrightNight1985'', vampire Jerry Dandridge shakes Peter Vincent's hand, telling him that he's seen all of his old vampire-hunter films and found them [[StealthInsult very amusing]]. He and [[SycophanticServant Billy]] later poke fun at Peter's show dialogue.
* In the ''Film/{{Spawn|1997}}'' film, The Clown gets annoyed by three moronic Satanists and asks, "How come God gets all the good followers and we get all the retards?"

* In the final rap battle in ''Film/EightMile'', Jimmy reveals [[spoiler:that Papa Doc is a well-off guy named Clarence from a stable family and went to a private school. Jimmy, despite being white trash, has far more in common with the poor black community in downtown Detroit because he's actually from there and went through the same things they did.]]

* In ''Film/QuigleyDownUnder'', Quigley remarks to Marston before their ShowdownAtHighNoon, "This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."
* In ''Franchise/StarWars Episode VII:'' ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', Kylo Ren tries to interrogate the scavenger Rey about the whereabouts of [[spoiler:his former master and uncle]] Luke Skywalker. So he tries to probe her mind using the Force, [[spoiler:but he mistakenly unlocks her Force potential, and Rey [[HoistByHisOwnPetard sees into his mind in return]].]] This leads her to say "You're afraid that you will never be as strong as Darth Vader!", his hero [[spoiler:and grandfather]], which alarms him.
* In ''Film/TheLastJedi'', Supreme Leader Snoke tells Kylo Ren that he's no Vader, just a child in a mask. [[SmashTheSymbol Ren gets so upset that he smashes his mask to pieces]].

In ''Film/{{Trumbo}}'' the titular character quickly demolishes John Wayne's posturing by pointing out that during the Second World War he himself had been a war correspondent in Okinawa, Edward G. Robinson serving in Europe, and Hedda Hopper's son serving in the Philippines while John Wayne had been Stateside the entire time.

* When Hiyori logs into GGO for the first time in ''Roleplay/PersonaHeavenAfreaknamedpete'' [[MysteriousBacker]] ETTEILLA gives one to the advertised realism of the game seeing the chaos the game claims to have as sanitized and false compared to the chaos of reality and ordering Hiyori to destroy the HEAVEN.

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* ''ComicBook/IronMan'' #178: Mikey, a kid who was a member of a heroic Avengers fan club who kept the peace around their neighborhood, is impersonated by a troublemaker named Blackie Donovan, who stole his Iron Man suit. With his name dragged through the mud, and the reputation of the Avengers club in tatters, Mikey fashions a new suit of armor and confronts Blackie, telling him that he has no idea what it means to be Iron Man.
* While [[TheHero Diana]] is out of action [[Comicbook/WonderGirl Donna Troy]] takes up the mantle of Comicbook/WonderWoman and then gets beaten up by Giganta. In the post crisis continuity Giganta is ''usually'' an AntiVillain, but in this instance she so offended by Donna Troy's efforts that she goes on a rampage trying to find the "real" Wonder Woman, while [[UnwillingSuspension wearing a chained up Donna Troy]] as [[SizeShifter a necklace]]!
* Cassidy from ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'', faced with ''Les Enfants du Sang'', a group of [[VampireVannabe Vampire Wannabes]]: "Bunch of poncy rich kid goth wannabes." Though he isn't any nicer to [[spoiler:the actual vampire who cultivates their fanboyism and uses them as food stock, possibly because the guy acts like every vamp cliché in the book. (That book being ''The Vampire Lestat'', not ''Dracula'')]].
* ''ComicBook/TheSandman1989'' has a few examples:
** In ''Collectors'', the actual serial killers take this attitude to the fanboy who has infiltrated their "Cereal Convention". When they penetrate his cover, the fanboy's fate is...unpleasant.
** Thessaly's disdainful attitude towards neo-pagans; she herself is an ancient and ruthless witch who would ''under no circumstances'' act like a cuddly environmentalist in harmony with all things. Perhaps unusually, this isn't meant to be a TakeThat to make the audience feel superior -- she's frightening (almost monstrous) in her behaviour and prickly in attitude, and [[DontFearTheReaper Death]] rather definitively disagrees with her on [[UsefulNotes/{{Transgender}} one important point]].
** Another example: Morpheus's response to [[spoiler:the ghost of]] Hector Hall calling himself "The Sandman" is -- in stark contrast to [[TheComicallySerious his usual behavior]] -- ''laughing his head off''.
** Then there is a couple of Satanist-wannabes greeting when they went to hell.
---> '''Skinner's ghost:''' We sacrificed a boy. All three of us. To the devil. We did stuff from old books. We did stuff you wouldn't believe. But when we went to Hell ... they didn't ''care''. They hadn't even ''known''. They--they ''laughed'' at us.
* Vampires Dave and Jerome in ''Life Sucks'' are really just regular guys who happen to subsist on blood and be burned by sunlight, but even they manage some contempt for people like Rosa's ex-boyfriend, a melodramatic Goth who goes around in a black cape. And when Rosa, not knowing Dave is a vampire, wishes ''she'' were one, he shows some exasperation at her fantasy of what life as a vampire would be like.
* ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac takes the "extermination with extreme prejudice" route when Jimmy the wannabe homicidal maniac shows up at his door, raving about his "work." This is a [[TakeThat reminder]] to the [[MisaimedFandom reading audience]] that ours is a VillainProtagonist.
* In one issue of ''ComicBook/GreenLantern Corps'', Kyle Rayner confronts Sinestro, who tells him something along the lines of "I want the real Green Lantern". Rayner responds, "A few years ago, that would have stung, but not anymore. You want the REAL Green Lantern? You're looking at him."
* ''ComicBook/TheFlash'': The climax of ''ComicBook/{{The Flash|1987}}'' storyline "ComicBook/TheReturnOfBarryAllen."
--> '''[[spoiler:Professor Zoom]]:''' [[VillainousBreakdown You can't do this to me! Not to me... I'm... I'm Barry Allen...]]\\
'''Wally West:''' Is that so? Mister, I ''knew'' Barry Allen, and believe me... ''you're no Barry Allen!''
** Reverse-Flash later does this when he encounters the younger Wallace West in ''ComicBook/{{The Flash|2011}}, giving the new Kid Flash a CurbStompBattle and spitefully declaring he's not the real Kid Flash ''or'' the real Wally West. [[spoiler:This is foreshadowing the confirmation Wallace was an accident as a result of Barry and Doctor Manhattan screwing up the timeline.]]
* In ''ComicBook/StarWarsLegacy'', Darth Krayt summons the spirits of the ancient Sith Lords Darth Andeddu, Darth Bane, and Darth Nihilus and tries to ask for advice. They pretty much tell him to screw himself, calling him a phony Sith Lord doomed to fail because he disobeyed the RuleOfTwo.
** This is a particularly odd case, in that Andeddu and Nihilus had been dead for thousands of years when Bane instituted the RuleOfTwo. They just found Krayt's rather unimpressive methods unworthy of their title.
* One ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' comic had the Hobgoblin, who in this continuity is a huge, monstrous juggernaut with [[PlayingWithFire fire powers]] [[spoiler:(and is Harry Osborn)]], go on a rampage. When ComicBook/NickFury orders him to stand down he says "This is a full-trained Hulkbuster unit!! [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin You know, for]] '''[[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk the Hulk]].''' And you, kiddo, are no Hulk."
* ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}:'' During ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'', ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} delivers one of these to [[ComicBook/{{Azrael}} Jean-Paul Valley]] when the two fight.

* In ''New Maps of Hell'', ComicBook/MartianManhunter has this to say when they discovered the "god" they were fighting (who'd ravaged Mars in the distant past) was merely a highly advanced artificial intelligence with, well, a god complex. "We're the Justice League. We've beaten up real gods and made them cry. You are nothing to us."
* In issue #4 of ''ComicBook/{{Secret Wars|2015}}'', God-Emperor Doom descends on the survivors of Earth 616 and Earth 1610, calling out '''"RICHARDS!"'''
-->'''The Maker (Earth 1610's Reed Richards):''' Is he talking to me? I don't really care for his tone.\\
'''Maximus:''' No. He is most certainly not talking to you.
* At the climax of ''ComicBook/CivilWar2006'', Hercules delivers one to the Pro-Reg side's evil Thor clone.

* In their earlier issues, the ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}} had to go up against a new incarnation of the Masters of Evil. Problem is, the Thunderbolts ''are'' the original Masters of Evil, disguised as heroes in order to win the population's trust. And they feel pretty insulted about another group of villains taking their name.
* From ''ComicBook/DarkNightsDeathMetal'':

* Parodied in the Swedish comic book ''ComicBook/ArneAnka'' in an episode set in Ancient Rome, where the failed poet Arne Anka's identical Roman ancestor slags off {{Creator/Virgil}} as a "fucking dilettante" who only writes about "shepherds and sheep-shaggery" (referencing ''Eclogiae'', the original [[{{Arcadia}} pastoral love poems]] and considered to be one of the high points of Roman literature) and "keeps going on and ''on'' and '''''ON''''' about the [[Literature/TheAeneid huge epic about the founding of the city he's going to start working on any day now...]]". The artist has stated that this is largely self-referential since bad-mouthing some young buck who was hailed six months later as "the voice of his generation" was a frequent and regular occurrence in his life until he learned to keep his trap shut.
* When ComicBook/{{Darkseid}} first encounters ComicBook/{{Thanos}} in ''ComicBook/MarvelVersusDC'' Darkseid calls him a "pale imitation of me."

* In ''ComicBook/SpiderManBeyond'', Ben Reilly gets this twice:
** In a tie-in to ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfDoctorStrange'', the Black Cat tells him that he's no Spider-Man and he has no right to be. At the end of the comic, she only gives him a begrudging "You're Spider-Man.. ''for now''."
** Miles Morales is utterly appalled at the fact that Ben is working with Beyond, who are trying to get him to stop him from using the Spider-Man name, and calls him an imposter.
* Way back in 1995, Ben Reilly himself (in his guise as the Scarlet Spider) delivered the classic variant to [[InadequateInheritor the Jason Macendale version of]] the Hobgoblin, telling him "Mister, I ''knew'' the Green Goblin. I ''fought'' the Green Goblin. And believe me, ''you're no Green Goblin!"'' while easily kicking his ass.
* In the ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' Season 11 comics, Bart Allen is being chased by the [[TheGrimReaper Black Flash]]. Clark Kent wants to help, but since he's not fast enough, he can't keep up with them or even see the Black Flash. With the help of some scientists, they manage to transfer some of Bart's speed to Clark, allowing him to see and battle the figure. The Black Flash mocks Clark as not a real speedster.

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* The climax of ''Franchise/TheFlash'' storyline "ComicBook/TheReturnOfBarryAllen."

** Reverse-Flash later does this when he encounters the younger Wallace West, giving the new Kid Flash a CurbStompBattle and spitefully declaring he's not the real Kid Flash ''or'' the real Wally West. [[spoiler:This is foreshadowing the confirmation Wallace was an accident as a result of Barry and Doctor Manhattan screwing up the timeline.]]

* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}:'' During ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'', ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} delivers one of these to [[ComicBook/{{Azrael}} Jean-Paul Valley]] when the two fight.
** In ''Batman'' (vol. 2) #42, a pair of children are shown playing with action figures of the original Batman and the new James Gordon Batman. The kid playing with the original version has this to say:

Basically, the trope is about the attitudes of those who actually belong (or think they belong) in a particular category and those who actually know them, or think they do (including their enemies) towards those who pretend to be in the category. Vampires towards {{Vampire Vannabe}}s, {{Big Bad}}s towards {{Big Bad Wannabe}}s, real heroes towards {{Heroic Wannabe}}s - you get the drift. The trope also has a number of RealLife and less fantastic counterparts, not least because of the (minor) distinctions differentiating those who would admit (if reluctantly) that yes, WeAreStrugglingTogether.

--->'''Sentomaru:''' "Straw Hat isn't scum like you!"

* In ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda'', OldMaster Oogway is meant to choose the Dragon Warrior, TheChosenOne who will supposedly gain some unknown and unheard-of kung fu powers. Then he seemingly by random coincidence chooses Po, a kung fu fanboy who doesn't know any kung fu and seems like an extremely unpromising student -- instead of any of the highly skilled Furious Five. Obviously, the Five and their teacher Shifu are not amused. Shifu sets out to mock and torment Po until he gives up on training, and the strict and humourless Tigress makes it perfectly clear she doesn't approve. The more laid-back members of the Five vary between pity, scorn and embarrassment on Po's behalf.

* Stalin's successor Nikita Khrushchev denounced Stalin and his "cult of personality" in a secret speech after he took power, on the basis of how it violated core Marxist principles. When someone in the crowd he was addressing demanded to know why he hadn't said this when Stalin was alive, Khrushchev angrily barked, "Who said that?!" -- frightening the speaker into silence. "Now you know," Khrushchev then explained.

* La Vey Satanists towards Satan worshippers. (Well, the ones that look up to them anyway.) It also goes the other way around.
* Professional soldiers often feel this way towards any reservist which isn't proper military (the exact details of which depend on the country). And, of course, InterserviceRivalry is a trope for similar reasons.
** For example, in the United States, Army National Guardsmen and Army Reservists are often referred to as "weekend warriors" by the Regular Army, which views them as incompetent liabilities. That said, this attitude has diminished a fair amount, given the National Guard and Reserves have been deployed almost as long as the active-duty Army.
** Similar to Soldiers/National Guard: Police towards security guards, though this is fewer cops adopting the "rent-a-cop" meme as spillover annoyance at a vocal minority of security guards (especially armed security) claiming they are "legitimate" law enforcement officers.
** Also, professional soldiers towards "militarized" police departments, with many an op-ed piece being written by military veterans arguing that many police officers lack the actual military ''discipline'' and training of actual soldiers, despite their adoption of body armor, assault rifles, camo fatigues, and armored vehicles. Expect the comparison to also come up whenever a shoot-out occurs and the police officers fail to demonstrate proper marksmanship. Or manage to follow rules of engagement, even ones much ''less'' strict than those enforced in war zones.
* The disdain that "OldMoney" families stereotypically have towards the ''NouveauRiche''. Assuming the upstarts stay around for more than a generation or two, this becomes their attitude towards the even newer money. And the cycle continues...
* The BourgeoisBohemian gets this a lot, and [[ContemptCrossfire from both ends]] of the U.S. political spectrum (liberals in Case "A", conservatives in Case "B").
* The standard phrase for any "serious actor" who hasn't got talent -- or, at least, nearly as much talent as they think they do? "X, you're no Creator/MerylStreep."
* People who read pre-''Twilight'' era vampire books feel this towards ''Literature/TheTwilightSaga'' and its FollowTheLeader style books. Of course, some of them can get just as vehement about what vampires are and are not ("scary!" "romantic!" "nocturnal only!" "sparkles during the day!" etc.) that they're almost as bad.
* Common complaints among EMT personnel are aimed at well-meaning but clueless good Samaritans who engage in [[WorstAid Hollywood-style healing]] and end up making the situation worse for the afflicted person.
* Those who consider Renaissance faires or SCA events SeriousBusiness sometimes react this way to others who show up wearing a costume-shop tunic over jeans and sneakers. Such events often have to provide explicit declarations about whether or not "garb" needs to be period-appropriate to avert [[StopHavingFunGuys conflict between the two]]. Same for historical-reenactment buffs.
* Legitimate hippies against poser-hippies who just want to get high and get laid. Of course, considering this latter group is what the general public thinks of when they think of hippies, [[StopBeingStereotypical this may be a valid complaint]].
* Similarly, stoners who co-opt the trappings of Rastafarianism as an excuse to smoke weed are seldom appreciated by actual Rastafari who take their religion very seriously, the same way a devout Catholic wouldn't take kindly to an alcoholic joining the Church for free wine.
* Some people from other countries (mainly, the USA) who have Irish ancestry proudly proclaim themselves as Irish, though there are people who look down on this, mainly people who are from Ireland, claiming that these "plastic Paddys" know very little about real Irish culture beyond leprechauns, pots o' gold, the color green, and only care about their "heritage" when St. Patrick's Day rolls around.
** This belief also extends to other cultures where natives or purists feel "If you're not 100% X and/or aren't from X, [[NoTrueScotsman then you're not a true X.]]"
** It could also extend to any who play up a national heritage during an appropriate holiday and go back to ignoring it for the rest of the year.
** Also when such non-natives only ever deign to celebrate the ''upper-class'' traditions of a culture they profess to be part of while avoiding any mention of customs from its working-class majority.
** Granted, if said culture is that of a marginalized demographic's, [[JustifiedTrope then they might as well have every right.]]
** The whole issue got very heated during UsefulNotes/TheTroubles when people who had never been to Ireland (or Northern Ireland) vocally voiced their opinion on account of "being Irish".
* Similarly, Mexicans and non-assimilated Mexican-Americans take a dim view of ''gringo'' attempts to copy or co-opt their culture. When Taco Bell opened its first restaurant in Mexico in the early 2000s, they had to promote themselves as an ''American'' restaurant; if they had called themselves a purveyor of Mexican food, they would have faced widespread ridicule.
* ''Again'' similarly, black people often have faced ridicule from other black people for a variety of things, such as [[MalignedMixedMarriage marrying a non-black person]], [[StopBeingStereotypical trying to get an education and good job]] (which some black people see as "acting white"), or other such things.
* After the collapse of the Soviet Union, lots of people "suddenly saw the light!" or "always felt that way, honest!" all across the ex-USSR regarding Communism. They tend to be seen as weasels by everyone else, but no-one despises them deeper than the ''real'' dissidents, especially a few exiled from the USSR[[note]]despite the general trend to let no-one out, no matter what[[/note]]. These invented several new vitriolic terms like "almost shot ones".
* On the opposite side, Stalin's successor Nikita Khrushchev denounced Stalin and his "cult of personality" in a secret speech after he took power, on the basis of how it violated core Marxist principles. When someone in the crowd he was addressing demanded to know why he hadn't said this when Stalin was alive, Khrushchev angrily barked, "Who said that?!" -- frightening the speaker into silence. "Now you know," Khrushchev then explained.
* Some [[UsefulNotes/AmericanPoliticalSystem American neoconservatives]] (who, significantly, are most often ''not'' Jewish, or at least not practicing Jews) praise [[BadassIsraeli the pious warrior ethos of the nation of Israel]] while describing the "wimpy", secular, and more often than not liberal Jews of North America and Europe as [[NoTrueScotsman "false Jews"]], [[CategoryTraitor as though they have betrayed their heritage]]. Even leaving aside the fact that many of the first settlers in Israel when it was founded in 1948 ''were'' American or European Jews, there's something... off about a Gentile trying to tell a Jew about what makes a "real Jew". And actually saying something like that to a non-Israeli Jew's face -- ''especially'' if he or she is a descendant of Holocaust survivors -- [[BerserkButton will not get one a very sympathetic reaction]].

* This happens quite often with cities that attract a lot of newcomers. In Berlin, for example, you will have people complaining about "Swabians" not being "real Berliners" and those same Swabians in turn complaining about people that arrived more recently. One of the Vice Presidents of German's parliament (who only went to East-Berlin to study and was born in present-day Wroclaw) complained about "Berlin not being Berlin anymore" with all those non-Berliners and based his argument on the word used for bread role (Semmel instead of Schrippe). Of course in a city that has attracted immigrants from near and far since its founding, such a thing as a "real Berliner" may simply not exist.
* Many LGBT people feel this way towards [[CampStraight metrosexuals]] and political lesbians (second-wave feminists who choose to be lesbians due to a [[DoesNotLikeMen dislike towards men and the patriarchy]]).
* In a {{Documentary}} about Creator/FScottFitzgerald they told that after his wife Zelda died and when his reputation as a writer faded, he was in a MayDecemberRomance with a young Englishwoman literature critic and he showed her Literature/TheGreatGatsby and asked her opinion. The Documentary showed us the now grow up woman remembering saying: ''"At that time of my life I was very [[BrutalHonesty direct]] and plainly told him: "Well, [[Creator/CharlesDickens Dickens]] it's not"''.
* Criminologists vehemently hold this sentiment towards "true crime bloggers," who are more often than not self-proclaimed "fandoms" of serial killers. Considering the emotional and psychological baggage that tends to come with studying criminals, they have every reason to.
* Naturalized citizens in the United States tend to take a dim view on illegal immigration (especially coming from the same nation the naturalized citizen came from). This mostly stems from the fact that they did it the legal way, which can take years and a good amount of money to do.
* [[PrettyFlyForAWhiteGuy White people appropriating non-white culture]] has become a notable source of contention in modern America from wearing Native American costumes to speaking in [[JiveTurkey Black gangster slang]]. Most notably, some African-American musicians feel irritated how their white counterparts sing about racial injustice without having experience the racism that they've endured. For several minorities, they see White Americans as cashing in on their culture or turning it into a stereotypical joke.
* In a similar fashion, there have been many homeless people and anti-homelessness activists who have criticized [[LivesInAVan van-life culture]] (which, as its name suggests, involves people choosing to live in renovated vehicles such as vans and recreational vehicles) as essentially "[[PovertyPorn gentrified homelessness]]". Namely, many homeless people feel that van-lifers - many of whom are middle- to upper-class suburbanites - are essentially appropriating and glamorizing a lifestyle that many homeless people have been ''forced'' to adopt, and taking all of the perks of living in a van (e.g., freedom of movement and avoiding to pay rents or mortgage on traditional housing), without the socioeconomic stigma or drawbacks of genuine homelessness.
* Members of the geek community can get annoyed with non-nerdy people who just like geek culture, such as science fiction, video games, tabletop games, comics, etc., seeing them as poseurs. The gatekeeping can get pretty vehement (and obnoxious) with attempts to weed out the 'unworthy' with trivia quizzes and the like, [[note]] This gatekeeping in older fan circles came about due to unfortunate experiences with [[FalseFriend people pretending to be their friends]] and share their interests only to use their closeness to [[AlphaBitch humiliate the "weirdos" later on]]. Even ''older'' fans or those still marginalized like UsefulNotes/FurryFandom also remember [[ThinkOfTheChildren sensationalist]] and highly inaccurate media coverage of their subculture like the Dungeons and Dragons "Satanic Panic" that lasted for decades. Add higher than average rates of neurodivergence in fandom and it's rife for misunderstanding [[/note]] [[ItsPopularNowItSucks as geek culture has become more mainstream in the past decade,]] with new female fans claiming they get the brunt of "fake fan" accusations. [[note]] Women in ''fandom'' are nothing new, however. Fanfic, costuming, art, tape exchanges, and fan convention organization were and still are very much female oriented.[[/note]] Newbies (especially female newcomers) are accused of [[DungeonmastersGirlfriend "doing it for attention"]] and thus they're not a "true geek".
* ''Creator/HunterSThompson'' noted that during the 1960s "Hell's Angels Fan Club" T-shirts became briefly popular, until the Hell's Angels announced they would tear them off of anybody they saw wearing one. Likewise, "2% bikers" (those who are in lifestyle clubs like the Hells Angels, Banditos, etc.) are disdainful towards "weekends warriors" who ride fancier, later model bikes or co-opt the fashion without understanding the rules of the road.
* Gatekeeping and elitism gets parodied with a meme: [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/oh-you-love-x-name-every-y "Oh, you like [artist]? Name three of their albums."]] The meme can be modified to mock other elitist fanbases by switching the second line to "name every [obscure detail]."
* Ryan Sohmer, the author of several webcomics, once tried to enlist his fans to petition Marvel Comics and demand that they hire him to write comics for ''ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}''. During a panel at a convention, some of his fans started asking Joe Quesada, then the editor-in-chief of Marvel, "Why isn't Ryan Sohmer writing Deadpool?" Quesada's deadpan response was to say "Never heard of him."
* Regular religion practitioners often feel - and are not ashamed to express - this way about those who only remember their religious affiliation on the major religious holidays.

* La Vey Satanists towards Satan worshippers. (Well, the ones that look up to them anyway.) It also goes the other way around.
* Professional soldiers often feel this way towards any reservist which isn't proper military (the exact details of which depend on the country). And, of course, InterserviceRivalry is a trope for similar reasons.
** For example, in the United States, Army National Guardsmen and Army Reservists are often referred to as "weekend warriors" by the Regular Army, which views them as incompetent liabilities. That said, this attitude has diminished a fair amount, given the National Guard and Reserves have been deployed almost as long as the active-duty Army.
** Similar to Soldiers/National Guard: Police towards security guards, though this is fewer cops adopting the "rent-a-cop" meme as spillover annoyance at a vocal minority of security guards (especially armed security) claiming they are "legitimate" law enforcement officers.
** Also, professional soldiers towards "militarized" police departments, with many an op-ed piece being written by military veterans arguing that many police officers lack the actual military ''discipline'' and training of actual soldiers, despite their adoption of body armor, assault rifles, camo fatigues, and armored vehicles. Expect the comparison to also come up whenever a shoot-out occurs and the police officers fail to demonstrate proper marksmanship. Or manage to follow rules of engagement, even ones much ''less'' strict than those enforced in war zones.
* The disdain that "OldMoney" families stereotypically have towards the ''NouveauRiche''. Assuming the upstarts stay around for more than a generation or two, this becomes their attitude towards the even newer money. And the cycle continues...
* The BourgeoisBohemian gets this a lot, and [[ContemptCrossfire from both ends]] of the U.S. political spectrum (liberals in Case "A", conservatives in Case "B").
* The standard phrase for any "serious actor" who hasn't got talent -- or, at least, nearly as much talent as they think they do? "X, you're no Creator/MerylStreep."
* People who read pre-''Twilight'' era vampire books feel this towards ''Literature/TheTwilightSaga'' and its FollowTheLeader style books. Of course, some of them can get just as vehement about what vampires are and are not ("scary!" "romantic!" "nocturnal only!" "sparkles during the day!" etc.) that they're almost as bad.
* Common complaints among EMT personnel are aimed at well-meaning but clueless good Samaritans who engage in [[WorstAid Hollywood-style healing]] and end up making the situation worse for the afflicted person.
* Those who consider Renaissance faires or SCA events SeriousBusiness sometimes react this way to others who show up wearing a costume-shop tunic over jeans and sneakers. Such events often have to provide explicit declarations about whether or not "garb" needs to be period-appropriate to avert [[StopHavingFunGuys conflict between the two]]. Same for historical-reenactment buffs.
* Legitimate hippies against poser-hippies who just want to get high and get laid. Of course, considering this latter group is what the general public thinks of when they think of hippies, [[StopBeingStereotypical this may be a valid complaint]].
* Similarly, stoners who co-opt the trappings of Rastafarianism as an excuse to smoke weed are seldom appreciated by actual Rastafari who take their religion very seriously, the same way a devout Catholic wouldn't take kindly to an alcoholic joining the Church for free wine.
* Some people from other countries (mainly, the USA) who have Irish ancestry proudly proclaim themselves as Irish, though there are people who look down on this, mainly people who are from Ireland, claiming that these "plastic Paddys" know very little about real Irish culture beyond leprechauns, pots o' gold, the color green, and only care about their "heritage" when St. Patrick's Day rolls around.
** This belief also extends to other cultures where natives or purists feel "If you're not 100% X and/or aren't from X, [[NoTrueScotsman then you're not a true X.]]"
** It could also extend to any who play up a national heritage during an appropriate holiday and go back to ignoring it for the rest of the year.
** Also when such non-natives only ever deign to celebrate the ''upper-class'' traditions of a culture they profess to be part of while avoiding any mention of customs from its working-class majority.
** Granted, if said culture is that of a marginalized demographic's, [[JustifiedTrope then they might as well have every right.]]
** The whole issue got very heated during UsefulNotes/TheTroubles when people who had never been to Ireland (or Northern Ireland) vocally voiced their opinion on account of "being Irish".
* Similarly, Mexicans and non-assimilated Mexican-Americans take a dim view of ''gringo'' attempts to copy or co-opt their culture. When Taco Bell opened its first restaurant in Mexico in the early 2000s, they had to promote themselves as an ''American'' restaurant; if they had called themselves a purveyor of Mexican food, they would have faced widespread ridicule.
* ''Again'' similarly, black people often have faced ridicule from other black people for a variety of things, such as [[MalignedMixedMarriage marrying a non-black person]], [[StopBeingStereotypical trying to get an education and good job]] (which some black people see as "acting white"), or other such things.
* After the collapse of the Soviet Union, lots of people "suddenly saw the light!" or "always felt that way, honest!" all across the ex-USSR regarding Communism. They tend to be seen as weasels by everyone else, but no-one despises them deeper than the ''real'' dissidents, especially a few exiled from the USSR[[note]]despite the general trend to let no-one out, no matter what[[/note]]. These invented several new vitriolic terms like "almost shot ones".
* On the opposite side, Stalin's successor Nikita Khrushchev denounced Stalin and his "cult of personality" in a secret speech after he took power, on the basis of how it violated core Marxist principles. When someone in the crowd he was addressing demanded to know why he hadn't said this when Stalin was alive, Khrushchev angrily barked, "Who said that?!" -- frightening the speaker into silence. "Now you know," Khrushchev then explained.
* Some [[UsefulNotes/AmericanPoliticalSystem American neoconservatives]] (who, significantly, are most often ''not'' Jewish, or at least not practicing Jews) praise [[BadassIsraeli the pious warrior ethos of the nation of Israel]] while describing the "wimpy", secular, and more often than not liberal Jews of North America and Europe as [[NoTrueScotsman "false Jews"]], [[CategoryTraitor as though they have betrayed their heritage]]. Even leaving aside the fact that many of the first settlers in Israel when it was founded in 1948 ''were'' American or European Jews, there's something... off about a Gentile trying to tell a Jew about what makes a "real Jew". And actually saying something like that to a non-Israeli Jew's face -- ''especially'' if he or she is a descendant of Holocaust survivors -- [[BerserkButton will not get one a very sympathetic reaction]].

* This happens quite often with cities that attract a lot of newcomers. In Berlin, for example, you will have people complaining about "Swabians" not being "real Berliners" and those same Swabians in turn complaining about people that arrived more recently. One of the Vice Presidents of German's parliament (who only went to East-Berlin to study and was born in present-day Wroclaw) complained about "Berlin not being Berlin anymore" with all those non-Berliners and based his argument on the word used for bread role (Semmel instead of Schrippe). Of course in a city that has attracted immigrants from near and far since its founding, such a thing as a "real Berliner" may simply not exist.
* Many LGBT people feel this way towards [[CampStraight metrosexuals]] and political lesbians (second-wave feminists who choose to be lesbians due to a [[DoesNotLikeMen dislike towards men and the patriarchy]]).
* In a {{Documentary}} about Creator/FScottFitzgerald they told that after his wife Zelda died and when his reputation as a writer faded, he was in a MayDecemberRomance with a young Englishwoman literature critic and he showed her Literature/TheGreatGatsby and asked her opinion. The Documentary showed us the now grow up woman remembering saying: ''"At that time of my life I was very [[BrutalHonesty direct]] and plainly told him: "Well, [[Creator/CharlesDickens Dickens]] it's not"''.
* Criminologists vehemently hold this sentiment towards "true crime bloggers," who are more often than not self-proclaimed "fandoms" of serial killers. Considering the emotional and psychological baggage that tends to come with studying criminals, they have every reason to.
* Naturalized citizens in the United States tend to take a dim view on illegal immigration (especially coming from the same nation the naturalized citizen came from). This mostly stems from the fact that they did it the legal way, which can take years and a good amount of money to do.
* [[PrettyFlyForAWhiteGuy White people appropriating non-white culture]] has become a notable source of contention in modern America from wearing Native American costumes to speaking in [[JiveTurkey Black gangster slang]]. Most notably, some African-American musicians feel irritated how their white counterparts sing about racial injustice without having experience the racism that they've endured. For several minorities, they see White Americans as cashing in on their culture or turning it into a stereotypical joke.
* In a similar fashion, there have been many homeless people and anti-homelessness activists who have criticized [[LivesInAVan van-life culture]] (which, as its name suggests, involves people choosing to live in renovated vehicles such as vans and recreational vehicles) as essentially "[[PovertyPorn gentrified homelessness]]". Namely, many homeless people feel that van-lifers - many of whom are middle- to upper-class suburbanites - are essentially appropriating and glamorizing a lifestyle that many homeless people have been ''forced'' to adopt, and taking all of the perks of living in a van (e.g., freedom of movement and avoiding to pay rents or mortgage on traditional housing), without the socioeconomic stigma or drawbacks of genuine homelessness.
* Members of the geek community can get annoyed with non-nerdy people who just like geek culture, such as science fiction, video games, tabletop games, comics, etc., seeing them as poseurs. The gatekeeping can get pretty vehement (and obnoxious) with attempts to weed out the 'unworthy' with trivia quizzes and the like, [[note]] This gatekeeping in older fan circles came about due to unfortunate experiences with [[FalseFriend people pretending to be their friends]] and share their interests only to use their closeness to [[AlphaBitch humiliate the "weirdos" later on]]. Even ''older'' fans or those still marginalized like UsefulNotes/FurryFandom also remember [[ThinkOfTheChildren sensationalist]] and highly inaccurate media coverage of their subculture like the Dungeons and Dragons "Satanic Panic" that lasted for decades. Add higher than average rates of neurodivergence in fandom and it's rife for misunderstanding [[/note]] [[ItsPopularNowItSucks as geek culture has become more mainstream in the past decade,]] with new female fans claiming they get the brunt of "fake fan" accusations. [[note]] Women in ''fandom'' are nothing new, however. Fanfic, costuming, art, tape exchanges, and fan convention organization were and still are very much female oriented.[[/note]] Newbies (especially female newcomers) are accused of [[DungeonmastersGirlfriend "doing it for attention"]] and thus they're not a "true geek".
* ''Creator/HunterSThompson'' noted that during the 1960s "Hell's Angels Fan Club" T-shirts became briefly popular, until the Hell's Angels announced they would tear them off of anybody they saw wearing one. Likewise, "2% bikers" (those who are in lifestyle clubs like the Hells Angels, Banditos, etc.) are disdainful towards "weekends warriors" who ride fancier, later model bikes or co-opt the fashion without understanding the rules of the road.
* Gatekeeping and elitism gets parodied with a meme: [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/oh-you-love-x-name-every-y "Oh, you like [artist]? Name three of their albums."]] The meme can be modified to mock other elitist fanbases by switching the second line to "name every [obscure detail]."
* Ryan Sohmer, the author of several webcomics, once tried to enlist his fans to petition Marvel Comics and demand that they hire him to write comics for ''ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}''. During a panel at a convention, some of his fans started asking Joe Quesada, then the editor-in-chief of Marvel, "Why isn't Ryan Sohmer writing Deadpool?" Quesada's deadpan response was to say "Never heard of him."
* Regular religion practitioners often feel - and are not ashamed to express - this way about those who only remember their religious affiliation on the major religious holidays.