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15th Jan '17 7:30:58 PM ZimFan89
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* In Series/TheExpanse, [[spoiler:a precursor race once had a huge empire, and tried to colonize earth by sending a thing which can change living beings to build a portal.]]

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* In Series/TheExpanse, ''Literature/TheExpanse'', [[spoiler:a precursor race once had a huge empire, and tried to colonize earth by sending a thing which can change living beings to build a portal.]]
12th Jan '17 1:08:10 PM MyFinalEdits
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** In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'', the Oocca are suggested to be the Precursors of the Hylians -- as one AdventurerArchaeologist tells us, the goddesses may have made the Oocca first, then the Oocca made the Hylians before retreating to the City in the Sky[[note]]Partly, this is a slightly inaccurate interpretation in the English version. The Japanese text states they helped the Hylians create a society, rather than literally creating them[[/note]]. Some [[WildMassGuessing fan-speculation surrounds these creatures,]] probably not the least because of their appearance: birds with human heads and weird eyes. Many think that they originally looked a lot different than they do when ''Twilight Princess'' takes place, because it's very unlikely that the weird harpies we see are physically able to have made some of the stuff they're credited with making, such as the City in the Sky, the Dominion Rod, and the Sky Cannon.

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** In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'', the Oocca are suggested to be the Precursors of the Hylians -- as one AdventurerArchaeologist tells us, the goddesses may have made the Oocca first, then the Oocca made the Hylians before retreating to the City in the Sky[[note]]Partly, this Sky. This is a slightly inaccurate interpretation in the English version. version: The Japanese text states they helped the Hylians create a society, rather than literally creating them[[/note]]. Some [[WildMassGuessing fan-speculation surrounds these creatures,]] probably not the least because of their appearance: birds with human heads and weird eyes. Many think that they originally looked a lot different than they do when ''Twilight Princess'' takes place, because it's very unlikely that the weird harpies we see are physically able to have made some of the stuff they're credited with making, such as the City in the Sky, the Dominion Rod, and the Sky Cannon.them.



* The Protheans in ''Franchise/MassEffect'', at least until [[HotScientist Dr. Liara T'Soni]] joins your party and suggests that they probably weren't the actual precursors.
** Turns out she's right, as [[spoiler:the ''real'' precursors are the [[EldritchAbomination Rea]][[AbusivePrecursors pers]], which are robotic {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that are out for everyone's blood.]] Though the Protheans must have been interested in early humanity, since [[spoiler:as the big silver unexplained ball explains; the Prothean research station on Mars would routinely abduct and mess with early humans.]] ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' eventually reveals that [[spoiler: the Collectors are genetically and cybernetically-modified Protheans]]. In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', there is [[spoiler: one Prothean still alive, named Javik, in suspended animation]].

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* ''Franchise/MassEffect'':
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The Protheans in ''Franchise/MassEffect'', at least are said to be this until [[HotScientist Dr. Liara T'Soni]] joins your party and suggests that they probably weren't the actual precursors.
** Turns out she's right, as [[spoiler:the
precursors. It's revealed later that [[spoiler:she's right: the ''real'' precursors are the [[EldritchAbomination Rea]][[AbusivePrecursors pers]], [[AbusivePrecursors Reapers]], which are robotic {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that are out for everyone's blood.]] Though the Protheans must have been interested in early humanity, since [[spoiler:as the big silver unexplained ball explains; the Prothean research station on Mars would routinely abduct and mess with early humans.]] ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' eventually reveals that [[spoiler: the Collectors are genetically and cybernetically-modified Protheans]]. In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', there is [[spoiler: one Prothean still alive, named Javik, in suspended animation]].



** The "Leviathan" DLC provided something new: [[spoiler:the Leviathans (true name unknown) are the first species, the original intelligent life that preceded the Reapers. The Reapers were made in their image, and they have mental domination abilities that the Reapers used to create their indoctrination ability. They were the ones responsible for creating the Catalyst, and therefore are indirectly responsible for the Reapers. Their kind was harvested and used to create Harbinger, the first Reaper. A few of them are still alive, deep under the ocean on an aquatic world, where they have been hiding from the Reapers ever since the cycles began. Shepard can find them and convince them to give their aid in the current war against the Reapers.]]

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** The "Leviathan" DLC provided something new: shows that [[spoiler:the Leviathans (true name unknown) are the first species, the original intelligent life that preceded the Reapers. The Reapers were made in their image, and they have mental domination abilities that the Reapers used to create their indoctrination ability. They were the ones responsible for creating the Catalyst, and therefore are indirectly responsible for the Reapers. Their kind was harvested and used to create Harbinger, the first Reaper. A few of them are still alive, deep under the ocean on an aquatic world, where they have been hiding from the Reapers ever since the cycles began. Shepard can find them and convince them to give their aid in the current war against the Reapers.]]



** Although they raised Samus to adulthood and had extensive contact with faraway races like the Luminoth, Elysia, and even the Federation, the Chozo have vanished from all known space. Their entire legacy consists of decayed ruins, cryptic messages for Samus, and the odd upgrade module for her Power Suit. And, of course, the Metroids themselves.

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** Although they raised Samus to adulthood and had extensive contact with faraway races like the Luminoth, Elysia, the Bryyonians, the Elysians, and even the Federation, the Chozo have vanished from all known space. Their entire legacy consists of decayed ruins, cryptic messages for Samus, and the odd upgrade module for her Power Suit. And, of course, the Metroids themselves.



* ''SwordOfTheStars'' Morrigi are actually still around -- [[CulturalPosturing and very smug about it]] -- but until the last expansion, they had to quietly limp into hiding thanks to the efforts of the [[AbusivePrecursors rather less nice variety of Precusors]]. And then the [[SpaceWhale Liir]] had to go and kill off the bad kind of Precursors, allowing the Morrigi to return. Still worse, the pre-release information for the sequel suggests strongly that the Liir didn't finish the job.

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* ''SwordOfTheStars'' ''Videogame/SwordOfTheStars'' Morrigi are actually still around -- [[CulturalPosturing and very smug about it]] -- but until the last expansion, they had to quietly limp into hiding thanks to the efforts of the [[AbusivePrecursors rather less nice variety of Precusors]]. And then the [[SpaceWhale Liir]] had to go and kill off the bad kind of Precursors, allowing the Morrigi to return. Still worse, the pre-release information for the sequel suggests strongly that the Liir didn't finish the job.
12th Jan '17 12:09:19 PM DracoKanji
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** In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'', the Oocca are suggested to be the Precursors of the Hylians -- as one AdventurerArchaeologist tells us, the goddesses may have made the Oocca first, then the Oocca made the Hylians before retreating to the City in the Sky. Some [[WildMassGuessing fan-speculation surrounds these creatures,]] probably not the least because of their appearance: primitive harpies with ugly breasts and blue nipples! Many think that they originally looked a lot different than they do when ''Twilight Princess'' takes place, because it's very unlikely that the weird harpies we see are physically able to have made some of the stuff they're credited with making, such as the City in the Sky, the Dominion Rod, and the Sky Cannon.

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** In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'', the Oocca are suggested to be the Precursors of the Hylians -- as one AdventurerArchaeologist tells us, the goddesses may have made the Oocca first, then the Oocca made the Hylians before retreating to the City in the Sky. Sky[[note]]Partly, this is a slightly inaccurate interpretation in the English version. The Japanese text states they helped the Hylians create a society, rather than literally creating them[[/note]]. Some [[WildMassGuessing fan-speculation surrounds these creatures,]] probably not the least because of their appearance: primitive harpies birds with ugly breasts human heads and blue nipples! weird eyes. Many think that they originally looked a lot different than they do when ''Twilight Princess'' takes place, because it's very unlikely that the weird harpies we see are physically able to have made some of the stuff they're credited with making, such as the City in the Sky, the Dominion Rod, and the Sky Cannon.
12th Jan '17 2:08:29 AM dvorak
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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's novel ''Literature/{{Strata}}'', the {{Precursors}} built the titular strata machines reverse-engineered by humans for building planets, and other techology that humans didn't already develop themselves. These precursors, called "Spindles" due to their great height, had their own set, called "Rollers" who didn't make celestial bodies, but megastructures (their ship is 500,000 miles long). These guys were preceeded by Paleotechs, whom destroyed stars to make heavy elements (and pretty nebuli). These, in turn, had "[=ChThons=]", {{Space Whale}}s who exhaled hydrogen and kindled suns. Every precursor race had some kind of celestial artwork, which they made for no other reason than a hobby, and then they went extinct, all the way back to [[spoiler: the universe being created by a multiverse-spanning MegaCorp]].

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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's novel ''Literature/{{Strata}}'', the {{Precursors}} built the titular strata machines reverse-engineered by humans for building planets, and other techology that humans didn't already develop themselves. These planet-building (and terraforming) precursors, called "Spindles" due to their great height, had their own set, called "Rollers" who didn't make celestial bodies, but megastructures (their ship is 500,000 miles long). These guys were preceeded by Paleotechs, "Paleotechs", whom destroyed stars to make heavy elements (and pretty nebuli). These, in turn, had "[=ChThons=]", {{Space Whale}}s who exhaled hydrogen and kindled suns. Every precursor race had some kind of celestial artwork, which they made for no other reason than a hobby, and then they went extinct, all the way back to [[spoiler: the universe being created by a multiverse-spanning MegaCorp]].
11th Jan '17 9:55:21 PM dvorak
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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's novel ''Literature/{{Strata}}'', the {{Precursors}} built the titular strata machines reverse-engineered by humans for building planets, and other techology that humans didn't already develop themselves. These precursors, called "Spindles" due to their great height, had their own set, called "Rollers" who didn't make celestial bodies, but Mega structures (their ship is 500,000 miles long). These guys were preceeded by Paleotechs, whom destroyed stars to make heavy elements. These, in turn, had "[=CtThons=]", SpaceWhales who exhaled hydrogen and kindled suns. Every precursor race had some kind of celestial artwork, which they made for no other reason than a hobby, and then they went extinct, all the way back to [[spoiler: the universe being created by a multiverse-spanning MegaCorp]].

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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's novel ''Literature/{{Strata}}'', the {{Precursors}} built the titular strata machines reverse-engineered by humans for building planets, and other techology that humans didn't already develop themselves. These precursors, called "Spindles" due to their great height, had their own set, called "Rollers" who didn't make celestial bodies, but Mega structures megastructures (their ship is 500,000 miles long). These guys were preceeded by Paleotechs, whom destroyed stars to make heavy elements. elements (and pretty nebuli). These, in turn, had "[=CtThons=]", SpaceWhales "[=ChThons=]", {{Space Whale}}s who exhaled hydrogen and kindled suns. Every precursor race had some kind of celestial artwork, which they made for no other reason than a hobby, and then they went extinct, all the way back to [[spoiler: the universe being created by a multiverse-spanning MegaCorp]].
11th Jan '17 9:51:58 PM dvorak
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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's novel ''Literature/{{Strata}}'', the {{Precursors}} built the titular strata machines reverse-engineered by humans for building planets, and other techology that humans didn't already develop themselves. These precursors, called "Spindles" due to their great height, had their own set, called "Rollers" who destroyed stars to make heavy elements. These, in turn, had "Cthons", who exhaled hydrogen and kindled suns. Every precursor race had some kind of celestial artwork, which they made for no other reason than a hobby, and then they went extinct, all the way back to [[spoiler: the universe being created by a multiverse-spanning MegaCorp]].

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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's novel ''Literature/{{Strata}}'', the {{Precursors}} built the titular strata machines reverse-engineered by humans for building planets, and other techology that humans didn't already develop themselves. These precursors, called "Spindles" due to their great height, had their own set, called "Rollers" who didn't make celestial bodies, but Mega structures (their ship is 500,000 miles long). These guys were preceeded by Paleotechs, whom destroyed stars to make heavy elements. These, in turn, had "Cthons", "[=CtThons=]", SpaceWhales who exhaled hydrogen and kindled suns. Every precursor race had some kind of celestial artwork, which they made for no other reason than a hobby, and then they went extinct, all the way back to [[spoiler: the universe being created by a multiverse-spanning MegaCorp]].
11th Jan '17 9:34:38 PM dvorak
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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's novel ''Literature/{{Strata}}'', the {{Precursors}} built the titular strata machines reverse-engineered by humans for building planets, and other techology that humans didn't already develop themselves. In ''Literature/TheDarkSideOfTheSun'', the {{Precursors}} called "Jokers" were known only for the mark they made on the universe of building [[AGodAmI blatantly impossible things]] for no known reason but [[GreatGazoo the lulz]].

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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's novel ''Literature/{{Strata}}'', the {{Precursors}} built the titular strata machines reverse-engineered by humans for building planets, and other techology that humans didn't already develop themselves. These precursors, called "Spindles" due to their great height, had their own set, called "Rollers" who destroyed stars to make heavy elements. These, in turn, had "Cthons", who exhaled hydrogen and kindled suns. Every precursor race had some kind of celestial artwork, which they made for no other reason than a hobby, and then they went extinct, all the way back to [[spoiler: the universe being created by a multiverse-spanning MegaCorp]].
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In ''Literature/TheDarkSideOfTheSun'', the {{Precursors}} called "Jokers" were known only for the mark they made on the universe of building [[AGodAmI blatantly impossible things]] for no known reason but [[GreatGazoo the lulz]].
9th Jan '17 7:20:09 AM DrPeroxide
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In ScienceFiction, they [[AncientAstronauts will have visited Earth]] and/or other worlds but they would remain a mystery. They are considered the ''first'' species to have technology, [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien making them godlike]]. In fantasy, they will usually be the forerunners created by gods/God, mighty in deeds and magic. At their height, Precursors might have created intelligent species and reworking entire worlds with a snap of a finger. Any strange and persistent mystery in the story's [[TheVerse 'verse]] [[AWizardDidIt is usually laid at their feet]].

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In ScienceFiction, they [[AncientAstronauts will may have visited Earth]] and/or other worlds but they would remain a mystery. They are considered the ''first'' species to have technology, [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien making them godlike]]. In fantasy, they will usually be the forerunners created by gods/God, mighty in deeds and magic. At the height of their height, civilisation, Precursors might have created intelligent species and reworking or reworked entire worlds with a snap of a finger. Any strange and persistent mystery in the story's [[TheVerse 'verse]] [[AWizardDidIt is usually laid at their feet]].



Whatever the reason, they set the stage for the modern world, left behind a few {{MacGuffin}}s and surprises for the heroes and villains to find, and then got [[NeglectfulPrecursors conveniently out of the way]]. And then there are the times where they themselves are the reason everything's gone to hell, [[AbusivePrecursors and they intend to keep it that way]]. If the Precursors implemented a plan, whether they still exist or not, that still influences outcomes then they are also PowersThatBe.

Sometimes the Precursors can be rediscovered; usually nobody, especially not the Precursors themselves, is happy with that. This also applies to the audience: the romance of Precursors can be easily shattered by giving too much away.

[[ThePointsMeanNothing Bonus points]] if [[HumanitysWake Earth Humans are Precursors and their incredibly human descendants try to rediscover their heritage]], or, conversely, if Earth Humans are the only descendants. If Humans are the Precursors, that's AdvancedAncientHumans. If everyone's ''scared'' of them, that's HumansAreCthulhu. If they pick on their descendants, that's AbusivePrecursors; if they couldn't care less about anyone else, it's NeglectfulPrecursors; if they help their descendants, it's BenevolentPrecursors. If there's one or more race that played {{Precursors}} to the {{Precursors}}, then they're RecursivePrecursors. Any and all of these are susceptible to AwakeningTheSleepingGiant. If they gave their tech or it's being used by another race, it's LowCultureHighTech. Very often, their most powerful technology will [[SufficientlyAdvancedBambooTechnology appear deceptively primitive and/or ceremonial]]. If everyone gets into an argument over their leftover toys, you have an ArchaeologicalArmsRace on your hands.

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Whatever the reason, they set the stage for the modern world, left behind a few {{MacGuffin}}s and surprises for the heroes and villains to find, and then got conveniently [[NeglectfulPrecursors conveniently got out of the way]]. And then there are the times where they themselves are the reason everything's gone to hell, [[AbusivePrecursors and they intend to keep it that way]]. If the Precursors implemented a plan, plan that, whether they still exist or not, that still influences outcomes outcomes, then they are also PowersThatBe.

Sometimes the Precursors can be rediscovered; usually nobody, this is often regarded as a bad move, especially not by the Precursors themselves, is happy with that.themselves. This also applies to the audience: the romance of Precursors can be easily shattered by giving too much away.

[[ThePointsMeanNothing Bonus points]] if [[HumanitysWake Earth Humans are Precursors and their incredibly human descendants try to rediscover their heritage]], or, or conversely, if Earth Humans are the only descendants. If Humans are the Precursors, that's AdvancedAncientHumans. If everyone's ''scared'' of them, that's HumansAreCthulhu. If they pick on their descendants, that's AbusivePrecursors; if they couldn't care less about anyone else, it's NeglectfulPrecursors; if they help their descendants, it's BenevolentPrecursors. If there's one or more race that played {{Precursors}} to the {{Precursors}}, then they're RecursivePrecursors. Any and all of these are susceptible to AwakeningTheSleepingGiant. If they gave their tech or it's being used by another race, it's LowCultureHighTech. Very often, their most powerful technology will [[SufficientlyAdvancedBambooTechnology appear deceptively primitive and/or ceremonial]]. If everyone gets into an argument over their leftover toys, you have an ArchaeologicalArmsRace on your hands.
9th Jan '17 7:09:31 AM DrPeroxide
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Precursors, a.k.a. as "Ancients", "Elders" or "Old Ones" are a standard of ScienceFiction (especially SpaceOpera), fantasy and occasionally {{Horror}}: an ancient race whose culture and knowledge rose to its pinnacle in ages long past but which is no longer present.

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Precursors, a.k.a. as "Ancients", "Elders" or "Old Ones" Ones", are a standard of ScienceFiction (especially SpaceOpera), fantasy and occasionally {{Horror}}: an ancient race whose culture and knowledge rose to its pinnacle in ages long past but which is no longer present.
6th Jan '17 11:53:58 AM superboy313
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In ScienceFiction, they [[AncientAstronauts will have visited Earth]] and/or other worlds but they would remain a mystery. They are considered the ''first'' species to have technology, [[SufficientlyAdvanced making them godlike]]. In fantasy, they will usually be the forerunners created by gods/God, mighty in deeds and magic. At their height, Precursors might have created intelligent species and reworking entire worlds with a snap of a finger. Any strange and persistent mystery in the story's [[TheVerse 'verse]] [[AWizardDidIt is usually laid at their feet]].

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In ScienceFiction, they [[AncientAstronauts will have visited Earth]] and/or other worlds but they would remain a mystery. They are considered the ''first'' species to have technology, [[SufficientlyAdvanced [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien making them godlike]]. In fantasy, they will usually be the forerunners created by gods/God, mighty in deeds and magic. At their height, Precursors might have created intelligent species and reworking entire worlds with a snap of a finger. Any strange and persistent mystery in the story's [[TheVerse 'verse]] [[AWizardDidIt is usually laid at their feet]].
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