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20th Sep '17 1:03:58 PM Scorntex
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* ''ComicBook/{{Royals}}'' has a reveal that [[spoiler:the Kree]] were created by a long-gone bunch called the Progenitors, [[spoiler:much like how they created the Inhumans.]] These Progenitors are also the ones responsible for the mysterious Sky Spears.



* It is common in MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic fanfiction to speculate about some sort of precursors. Frequent culprits are a long since destroyed dragon civilization, a civilization full of alicorns, and humans.

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* It is common in MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic fanfiction to speculate about some sort of precursors. Frequent culprits are a long since destroyed dragon civilization, a civilization full of alicorns, and humans.
12th Sep '17 6:37:00 AM MyFinalEdits
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[[ThePointsMeanNothing Bonus points]] if [[HumanitysWake Earth Humans are Precursors and their incredibly human descendants try to rediscover their heritage]], or conversely, if Earth Humans are the only descendants. If Humans are the Precursors, that's AdvancedAncientHumans. If everyone's ''scared'' of them, that's HumansAreCthulhu. If they pick on their descendants, that's AbusivePrecursors; if they couldn't care less about anyone else, it's NeglectfulPrecursors; if they help their descendants, it's BenevolentPrecursors. If there's one or more race that played {{Precursors}} to the {{Precursors}}, then they're RecursivePrecursors. Any and all of these are susceptible to AwakeningTheSleepingGiant. If they gave their tech or it's being used by another race, it's LowCultureHighTech. Very often, their most powerful technology will [[SufficientlyAdvancedBambooTechnology appear deceptively primitive and/or ceremonial]]. If everyone gets into an argument over their leftover toys, you have an ArchaeologicalArmsRace on your hands.

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[[ThePointsMeanNothing Bonus points]] if It may also happen that [[HumanitysWake Earth Humans are Precursors and their incredibly human descendants try to rediscover their heritage]], or conversely, if Earth Humans are the only descendants. If Humans are the Precursors, that's AdvancedAncientHumans. If everyone's ''scared'' of them, that's HumansAreCthulhu. If they pick on their descendants, that's AbusivePrecursors; if they couldn't care less about anyone else, it's NeglectfulPrecursors; if they help their descendants, it's BenevolentPrecursors. If there's one or more race that played {{Precursors}} to the {{Precursors}}, then they're RecursivePrecursors. Any and all of these are susceptible to AwakeningTheSleepingGiant. If they gave their tech or it's being used by another race, it's LowCultureHighTech. Very often, their most powerful technology will [[SufficientlyAdvancedBambooTechnology appear deceptively primitive and/or ceremonial]]. If everyone gets into an argument over their leftover toys, you have an ArchaeologicalArmsRace on your hands.



* In ''Anime/LastExile'', this turned out to be the answer to all the mysteries (and [[KudzuPlot there were plenty]]). That one gets [[TransplantedHumans full bonus points]], too.
* The ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' series has the Protoculture, who are apparently responsible for everything that happens in the Milky Way: [[spoiler:humans, Zentradi, and a multitude of other species across the galaxy were all created and seeded by them, and [[Anime/MacrossZero the Birdman]] was made by them in an attempt to mimic [[Anime/MacrossFrontier the Vajra]]. Moreover, they "created" (it's a bit more complex than that) [[Anime/{{Macross7}} the Protodeviln]], who pushed them to the brink of extinction before being defeated.]]
** About the only thing the Protoculture didn't have a hand in creating are the Vajra of ''Anime/MacrossFrontier'', and that's because [[spoiler:the Vajra are ''even older''. The Protoculture based some of their most advanced technology (such as Space Folding) after the Vajra's biological systems. The Vajra themselves seem to primarily take a "live and let live" attitude towards other intelligent species; the fact that they don't have a clear means of communication probably has a lot to do with this.]]

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* In ''Anime/LastExile'', this turned out to be the answer to all the mysteries (and [[KudzuPlot there were plenty]]). That one gets [[TransplantedHumans full bonus points]], too.
plenty]]).
* The ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' series has the Protoculture, who are apparently responsible for everything that happens in the Milky Way: [[spoiler:humans, Zentradi, and a multitude of other species across the galaxy were all created and seeded by them, and [[Anime/MacrossZero the Birdman]] was made by them in an attempt to mimic [[Anime/MacrossFrontier the Vajra]]. Moreover, they "created" (it's a bit more complex than that) [[Anime/{{Macross7}} the Protodeviln]], who pushed them to the brink of extinction before being defeated.]]
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]] About the only thing the Protoculture didn't have a hand in creating are the Vajra of ''Anime/MacrossFrontier'', and that's because [[spoiler:the Vajra are ''even older''. The Protoculture based some of their most advanced technology (such as Space Folding) after the Vajra's biological systems. The Vajra themselves seem to primarily take a "live and let live" attitude towards other intelligent species; the fact that they don't have a clear means of communication probably has a lot to do with this.]]



* ''Series/DoctorWho'' sometimes paints the Time Lords like this. At the dawn of their civilisation, they sent a star supernova, and caged the resulting black hole to fuel their time travel. They fought several wars against other primordial races (notably the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Great Vampires]]), driving them to virtual extinction. In at least one instance, they're suggested to have actually driven magic from the universe and the Doctor's TARDIS is frequently described as the most powerful and/or advanced ship in the universe with the Heart of the TARDIS, when harnessed by Rose Tyler, being a full on RealityWarper capable of wiping out an entire Dalek battle fleet with the wave of hand, accidentally granting someone ResurrectiveImmortality and scattering a message through time and space. If it hadn't started to burn Rose out, she'd probably have gone further. Later, [[spoiler: the Master]] jury rigged it into a machine powerful enough to hold together a paradox connecting Earth and the very end of the Universe. Furthermore, that TARDIS? By Time Lord standards, it's ''obsolete''. It was old when the Doctor found it, and other Time Lords frequently making disparaging remarks about its quality/patched together nature. They were even worshipped as gods on at least one planet, until their technological gifts [[YouAreNotReady backfired]], and they instituted a policy of non-interference. The ExpandedUniverse attributes the widespread presence of HumanAliens in the setting to them (offering multiple versions of the reasons why).
** The unseen race (otherwise known as the Disciples of the Light) who caged [[{{Satan}} the Beast]] also qualify. Bonus points for having done this before the beginning of time. Extra bonus points for the Doctor pointing out that this is both stupid and impossible. [[spoiler:But that doesn't stop it from still being true.]]
* The Eidolons from ''Series/{{Farscape}}'', who once controlled an entire galaxy through their power to induce "rationality and tranquility" in others before their near-extinction several millennia ago. For good measure, they are actually responsible for the creation of [[spoiler: the Peacekeepers and the Sebacean race as a whole, having abducted primitive humans from Earth and altered them to act as bodyguards.]]
** Subverted in the case of ''Series/{{Farscape}}'s'' Ancients, who, despite the name and their status as a DyingRace, aren't precursors at all. In fact, in spite of their impressive technology, they've actually gone out of the way to make sure that nobody knows about them unless absolutely necessary: [[spoiler: this is because they were sent from another dimension to monitor the development of wormhole technology.]]

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* ''Series/DoctorWho'' ''Series/DoctorWho'':
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sometimes paints the Time Lords like this. At the dawn of their civilisation, they sent a star supernova, and caged the resulting black hole to fuel their time travel. They fought several wars against other primordial races (notably the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Great Vampires]]), driving them to virtual extinction. In at least one instance, they're suggested to have actually driven magic from the universe and the Doctor's TARDIS is frequently described as the most powerful and/or advanced ship in the universe with the Heart of the TARDIS, when harnessed by Rose Tyler, being a full on RealityWarper capable of wiping out an entire Dalek battle fleet with the wave of hand, accidentally granting someone ResurrectiveImmortality and scattering a message through time and space. If it hadn't started to burn Rose out, she'd probably have gone further. Later, [[spoiler: the Master]] jury rigged it into a machine powerful enough to hold together a paradox connecting Earth and the very end of the Universe. Furthermore, that TARDIS? By Time Lord standards, it's ''obsolete''. It was old when the Doctor found it, and other Time Lords frequently making disparaging remarks about its quality/patched together nature. They were even worshipped as gods on at least one planet, until their technological gifts [[YouAreNotReady backfired]], and they instituted a policy of non-interference. The ExpandedUniverse attributes the widespread presence of HumanAliens in the setting to them (offering multiple versions of the reasons why).
** The unseen race (otherwise known as the Disciples of the Light) who caged [[{{Satan}} the Beast]] also qualify. Bonus points for having It had done this before the beginning of time. Extra bonus The Doctor points for the Doctor pointing out that this is both stupid and impossible. [[spoiler:But that doesn't stop it from still being true.]]
* ''Series/{{Farscape}}'':
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The Eidolons from ''Series/{{Farscape}}'', Eidolons, who once controlled an entire galaxy through their power to induce "rationality and tranquility" in others before their near-extinction several millennia ago. For good measure, they are actually responsible for the creation of [[spoiler: the Peacekeepers and the Sebacean race as a whole, having abducted primitive humans from Earth and altered them to act as bodyguards.]]
** Subverted in the case of ''Series/{{Farscape}}'s'' the Ancients, who, despite the name and their status as a DyingRace, aren't precursors at all. In fact, in spite of their impressive technology, they've actually gone out of the way to make sure that nobody knows about them unless absolutely necessary: [[spoiler: this is because they were sent from another dimension to monitor the development of wormhole technology.]]



* The ''Franchise/StargateVerse'' has no less than five different precursor races. The gate network itself was created by one such race, named (creatively) the Ancients, though they later are discovered to have called themselves the Anquietas (formerly the Alterans, later the Lanteans after the planet on which Atlantis resided). They eventually [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence ascended]] and adopted a strict [[AlienNonInterferenceClause non-interference policy]] on the lower planes. The other side of that coin is the Ori, also ascended Alterans but [[AGodAmI with a very different policy]]; they are eventually revealed to have driven the Ancients from their home galaxy to the Milky Way.
** Also in the precursors category are the Asgard, Goa'uld, and Wraith. The Goa'uld use humans as hosts and slaves, and founded Egyptian civilisation, and the Wraith loosely farm humans as food (though the Wraith themselves are the result of a life-sucking creature called the Iratus Bug being mutated by human DNA, possibly naturally, or possibly, as the ExpandedUniverse hints, by Ancient experiments), while the Asgard placed several worlds in the Milky Way under military protection from the Goa'uld.

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* The ''Franchise/StargateVerse'' has no less than five different precursor races. ''Franchise/StargateVerse'':
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The gate network itself was created by one such race, named (creatively) the Ancients, though they later are discovered to have called themselves the Anquietas (formerly the Alterans, later the Lanteans after the planet on which Atlantis resided). They eventually [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence ascended]] and adopted a strict [[AlienNonInterferenceClause non-interference policy]] on the lower planes. The other side of that coin is the Ori, also ascended Alterans but [[AGodAmI with a very different policy]]; they are eventually revealed to have driven the Ancients from their home galaxy to the Milky Way.
** Also in the precursors category are the The Asgard, Goa'uld, and Wraith. The Goa'uld use humans as hosts and slaves, and founded Egyptian civilisation, and the Wraith loosely farm humans as food (though the Wraith themselves are the result of a life-sucking creature called the Iratus Bug being mutated by human DNA, possibly naturally, or possibly, as the ExpandedUniverse hints, by Ancient experiments), while the Asgard placed several worlds in the Milky Way under military protection from the Goa'uld.
10th Sep '17 8:01:49 PM PaulA
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* Creator/HPLovecraft loved this trope and his works arguably served as an early TropeCodifier. See for example "The Call of Cthulhu", "The Shadow Out of Time" and "At the Mountains of Madness". In "At the Mountains of Madness" [[spoiler:Old Ones colonized the Earth two billion years ago and sowed the seeds of all advanced life on the planet]]. The Mi-Go of "The Whisperer in Darkness" may precede the existence of the universe itself. Lovecraft usually concentrated more on the ''lore'' of his Precursors rather than their physical objects. In his work, the Precursors sometimes remain on Earth, hidden, in outer space or in a space adjacent to our cosmos, ready to return at any time. The "Franchise/CthulhuMythos" codified by his friend and admirer Creator/AugustDerleth builds on this. (Lovecraft himself did not use the term "Cthulhu mythos".)

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* Creator/HPLovecraft loved this trope and his works arguably served as an early TropeCodifier. See for example "The Call of Cthulhu", "The Shadow Out of Time" "Literature/TheCallOfCthulhu", "Literature/TheShadowOutOfTime" and "At ''Literature/AtTheMountainsOfMadness''. In ''At the Mountains of Madness". In "At the Mountains of Madness" Madness'' [[spoiler:Old Ones colonized the Earth two billion years ago and sowed the seeds of all advanced life on the planet]]. The Mi-Go of "The Whisperer in Darkness" "Literature/TheWhispererInDarkness" may precede the existence of the universe itself. Lovecraft usually concentrated more on the ''lore'' of his Precursors rather than their physical objects. In his work, the Precursors sometimes remain on Earth, hidden, in outer space or in a space adjacent to our cosmos, ready to return at any time. The "Franchise/CthulhuMythos" codified by his friend and admirer Creator/AugustDerleth builds on this. (Lovecraft himself did not use the term "Cthulhu mythos".)
3rd Sep '17 2:38:33 AM Psychadelico
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* Homo Erectus. They inhabited Africa and most of Eurasia for over 2 million years, and are believed to be the first species of human, and the first in Earth's history to make complex hunting tools, control fire and cook their food, and (it's debated) to have symbolic customs, such as burial rites. They were so widespread that they gave rise to many different subspecies of humans, including Homo Heidelbergensis, the ancestor of both modern humans and Neanderthals. There are ongoing debates about whether some known groups of early humans are actually Homo Erectus or a subspecies descended from them.



* Homo Erectus. They inhabited Africa and most of Eurasia for over 2 million years, and are believed to be the first species of human, and the first in Earth's history, to make complex hunting tools, control fire, and cook their food. They were so widespread that they gave rise to many different subspecies of humans, including Homo Heidelbergensis, the ancestor of both modern humans and Neanderthals. There are ongoing debates about whether some known groups of early humans are actually Homo Erectus or a subspecies descended from them.
29th Aug '17 2:03:56 AM PaulA
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* Subverted in many of the books and stories by Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin. The "Hain" are precursors who created humanoid life forms on many worlds (including earth), but they are still around and still a dominant species in interstellar society.

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* Subverted in many of the Literature/{{Hainish}} books and stories by Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin. The "Hain" are precursors who created humanoid life forms on many worlds (including earth), but they are still around and still a dominant species in interstellar society.
28th Aug '17 11:05:02 PM PaulA
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* Subverted in many of the books and stories by Creator/UrsulaKLeguin. The "Hain" are precursors who created humanoid life forms on many worlds (including earth), but they are still around and still a dominant species in interstellar society.

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* Subverted in many of the books and stories by Creator/UrsulaKLeguin.Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin. The "Hain" are precursors who created humanoid life forms on many worlds (including earth), but they are still around and still a dominant species in interstellar society.
28th Jul '17 10:13:18 AM NeoSilverThorn
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** The implication is there that they did indeed create the Xenomorphs as the perfect biological nuke.

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** The implication is there that they did indeed create the Xenomorphs as the perfect biological nuke. [[spoiler: Film/AlienCovenant ends debunks that implication by revealing the who and why of the Xenomorph's creation.]]
24th Jul '17 5:10:09 PM Discar
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* The ''{{Literature/Shannara}}'' Series has an interesting take on this, as the series is set in the future, it's our current civilisation which is the precursor Civilisation.

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* The ''{{Literature/Shannara}}'' Series has an interesting take on this, as the series is set in the future, it's our current civilisation which is the precursor Civilisation.civilisation.
* ''Literature/RoguesOfTheRepublic:'' The "ancients" colonized the continent thousands of years ago, bringing with them incredible MagiTech and all manner of servants, including all the human races, elves, and dwarves. Most modern civilizations are built on the scraps of technology they left behind, and even though none of it is operating perfectly, it is still capable of incredible things. They left the world in order to [[spoiler:protect it from the Glimmering Folk. As long as the ancients are gone, the Glimmering Folk cannot step foot on the world or any other connected to it]].
22nd Jul '17 11:24:47 AM necrogirl
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* The ''{{Literature/Shannara}}'' Series has an interesting take on this, as the series is set in the future, it's our current civilisation which is the precursor Civilisation.
17th Jul '17 7:41:15 PM PaulA
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* The Elderlings in Creator/RobinHobb's ''Literature/RealmoftheElderlings''.

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* The Elderlings in Creator/RobinHobb's ''Literature/RealmoftheElderlings''.''Literature/RealmOfTheElderlings''.
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