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6th Apr '17 5:17:08 PM Matt620
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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10199357/1/Let-the-Storm-Rage-On Let the Storm Rage On]] establishes Hans as one of these. As one of his brothers puts it, Hans will lie, trick, use force, or even play nice to get what he wants, and he uses all of these and more. But he is firmly the hero of the story, working tirelessly to save his persecuted subjects on multiple occasions.
1st Mar '17 10:20:01 PM RavenWilder
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* Clarke from ''Series/{{The 100}}'' manages to be both this ''and'' an AllLovingHero. She's an incredibly caring and kind-hearted person, who does her level best to save everyone, even people who have attacked her or murdered her friends. However, she also has an uncanny knack for ''suppressing'' the part of her that cares for people. If Clarke believes there's no way out of a situation without someone getting hurt, then she's going to decide who needs to be sacrificed and act on it with barely any hesitation. Even close friends and lovers aren't safe if Clarke decides TheNeedsOfTheMany have to come first.

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* Clarke from ''Series/{{The 100}}'' 100}}'': Clarke Griffin manages to be both this ''and'' an AllLovingHero. She's an incredibly caring and kind-hearted person, who does her level best to save everyone, even people who have attacked her or murdered her friends. However, she also has an uncanny knack for ''suppressing'' the part of her that cares for people. If Clarke believes there's no way out of a situation without someone getting hurt, then she's going to decide who needs to be sacrificed and act on it with barely any hesitation. Even close friends and lovers aren't safe if Clarke decides TheNeedsOfTheMany have to come first.
1st Mar '17 10:18:56 PM RavenWilder
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* Clarke from ''Series/{{The 100}}'' manages to be both this ''and'' an AllLovingHero. She's an incredibly caring and kind-hearted person, who does her level best to save everyone, even people who have attacked her or murdered her friends. However, she also has an uncanny knack for ''suppressing'' the part of her that cares for people. If Clarke believes there's no way out of a situation without someone getting hurt, then she's going to decide who needs to be sacrificed and act on it with barely any hesitation. Even close friends and lovers aren't safe if Clarke decides TheNeedsOfTheMany have to come first.



* Clarke from ''Series/{{The 100}}'' manages to be both this ''and'' an AllLovingHero. She's an incredibly caring and kind-hearted person, who does her level best to save everyone, even people who have attacked her or murdered her friends. However, she also has an uncanny knack for ''suppressing'' the part of her that cares for people. If Clarke believes there's no way out of a situation without someone getting hurt, then she's going to decide who needs to be sacrificed and act on it with barely any hesitation. Even close friends and lovers aren't safe if Clarke decides TheNeedsOfTheMany have to come first.
11th Feb '17 3:59:43 PM A.P.D.
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* ComicBook/IronMan in ''ComicBook/CivilWar''. When faced with the possibility of the implementation of a Superhero Registration Act, Iron Man tries to prevent it, to the point of speaking in a hearing against the SHRA. However, once the act becomes an inevitability and is subsequently passed, he decides to support it, not only hoping it could be diffused, but knowing that resisting the law would bring dire consequences for the superhero community. His methods to win the ensuing war between the pro-SHRA faction and the anti-SHRA forces (led by Captain America) include the creation of a prison for outlaw vigilantes in the Negative Zone and the recruitment of the supervillain team known as the Thunderbolts.
-->"''To do what I needed to do to win this quickly-- I knew that meant you [Captain America] and I would probably never speak again. Or be friends again. Or partners again. I told myself I was okay with it because I knew I was right and I--I knew it was saving lives. It was!! It was the right thing to do! And--and--and I was willing to get in bed with people we despise to get this done. And I knew the world favors the underdog and that I would be the bad guy. I knew this and I said it was okay with it.''" (from ''Civil War: The Confession'' #1)
3rd Feb '17 12:49:04 PM CountDorku
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* Pretty much everyone in ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'' who can be considered more than a NominalHero is remarkably willing to accept casualties in the name of doing what's right. [[BigBad Handsome Jack]] ''believes'' himself to be this, but he's more of a self-obsessed jackass with hints of a God complex who just wants control.
17th Jan '17 6:23:53 PM ZimFan89
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* In ''Manga/BlackButler'', Ciel is willing to do all sorts of morally grey or even black things -- murder, blackmail, emotional manipulation, sacrificing innocent lives, etc. -- for the greater good of [[MyCountryRightOrWrong serving Great Britain's interests]]. That said, at times it seems to weigh on his conscience, and for the most part he does genuinely want to help people.
17th Jan '17 12:53:58 AM TheSinful
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* While she abhors necromancy, Jaina decides to nonetheless take lessons from Kel'thuzad in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6423427/1/Frostblood Frostblood]]'' after she accidentally becomes the new Lich King, stating that she has to understand her powers if she wants to control them.
29th Dec '16 2:48:17 PM Arcana4th
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* ''VisualNovel/NewDanganronpaV3'' has Kaede Akamatsu. For the first time in the franchise, the protagonist is given the right to lie in amidst of the Class Trial and commit perjury in order to get the culprit.
26th Dec '16 12:30:27 PM FordPrefect
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** The Doctor is this, [[spoiler: at one point sacrificing a city to prevent the world from being ruled by the villains]]. However, this tends to vary between incarnation, and sometimes even episodes. In one episode the Doctor will be willing to commit genocide against a destructive race and in the next he'll be refusing to wipe out the Daleks (AKA the worst things in the universe). A big theme of the revived series is whether the Doctor is a messianic figure or a narcissist hypocrite who looks down on others for not following his high and inconsistent standards. The [[Creator/PeterCapaldi Twelfth Doctor]] in particular does a lot of soul searching over what kind of a man he is and how his first companion Clara gradually becomes more pragmatic due to his influence. It's telling that Twelve comes to regard himself not as a hero or even a good man, but rather an idiot who passes through the universe helping others, forever striving to live up to a heroic ideal he's set up for himself and not always succeeding at it. As he puts it to Clara in "Flatline", when she asks if she was a good Doctor in his stead during the crisis of the week, he says she was exceptional but "Goodness had nothing to do with it" -- she had to do the kinds of pragmatic things she had been criticizing him for in previous episodes, such as lying and not stopping to mourn death, to save the day.

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** The Doctor is this, [[spoiler: at one point sacrificing a city to prevent the world from being ruled by the villains]]. However, this tends to vary between incarnation, incarnations, and sometimes even episodes. In one episode the Doctor will be willing to commit genocide against a destructive race and in the next he'll be refusing to wipe out the Daleks (AKA the worst things in the universe). A big theme of the revived series is whether the Doctor is a messianic figure or a narcissist hypocrite who looks down on others for not following his high and inconsistent standards. The [[Creator/PeterCapaldi Twelfth Doctor]] in particular does a lot of soul searching over what kind of a man he is and how his first companion Clara gradually becomes more pragmatic due to his influence. It's telling that Twelve comes to regard himself not as a hero or even a good man, but rather an idiot who passes through the universe helping others, forever striving to live up to a heroic ideal he's set up for himself and not always succeeding at it. As he puts it to Clara in "Flatline", when she asks if she was a good Doctor in his stead during the crisis of the week, he says she was exceptional but "Goodness had nothing to do with it" -- she had to do the kinds of pragmatic things she had been criticizing him for in previous episodes, such as lying and not stopping to mourn death, to save the day.
21st Dec '16 2:50:50 PM Euodiachloris
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** Stannis falls firmly into this. He has a very strong sense of what is right and will not hesitate to do whatever it takes to achieve this; including having his own brother Renly assassinated with blood magic. It helps that Renly was a {{Jerkass}} who intended to kill Stannis, but what Stannis had to do still torments him -- though it is still a matter for debate among the fandom how responsible Stannis was for Renly's death. Later, Stannis considers burning his nephew, who is the illegitimate son of his late brother, King Robert, in a ritual to raise a dragon (for which King's Blood is required) but he is clearly very reluctant to do so, and tells Melisandre if it fails, she'll die slowly. [[spoiler:However, his honest advisor Lord Davos Seaworth sends Edric away from Westeros before Stannis can do so.]]

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** Stannis falls firmly into this. this... while [[PlayingWithATrope playing around]] with LawfulStupid. He has a very strong sense of what is right ''right'' and will not hesitate to do whatever it takes to achieve this; including having his own brother Renly brother, Renly, assassinated with blood magic. It helps that Renly was a {{Jerkass}} who intended to kill Stannis, but what Stannis had to do still torments him -- though it is still a matter for debate among the fandom how responsible Stannis was for Renly's death. Later, Stannis considers burning his nephew, who is the illegitimate son of his late brother, King Robert, in a ritual to raise a dragon (for which King's Blood is required) but he is clearly very reluctant to do so, and tells Melisandre if it fails, she'll die slowly. [[spoiler:However, his honest advisor Lord Davos Seaworth sends Edric away from Westeros before Stannis can do so.]]



** Like Daenerys, Jon Snow has to start climbing the learning curve at top speed when he joins the Night's Watch and he's also compassionate, heroic, and is always trying do to the right thing. While he has many traits of a "classic hero," is described as a [[https://youtu.be/yarEbKyk8PU?t=146 "classic hero"]] by [[WordOfGod author, George R. R. Martin]], and is trying to protect people, he also finds out that doing the right thing, as well as his Stark traits of honor and duty, put him at odds with other members of the Nightís Watch -- learning that doing what's right and going by the Watch's tradition/rules donít always go hand in hand. Jon's continued efforts to do the right thing and his sympathy for the wildlings -- who Jon has to explain are ''people too,'' which contrasts the entrenched, traditional views of some Watch members -- do ''not'' earn him the best reputation from some fellow members. While he maintains his morality, compassion, and drive to save people, this strains his personal safety and well-being, meaning the [[TheStoic stoic]] aspects of his personality ramp up when he is elected [[AChildShallLeadThem Lord Commander]], whereupon he sends his friends away to do other jobs for the Night's Watch and isolates himself to try and focus on only duty (while strong emotions, like [[RelativeButton his love for his mostly-lost family]], continue to dog him) in an effort to observe the leadership advice his father and Maester Aemon had given him. When necessary, Jon will go against tradition and opinions of fellow Watch members for the sake of doing the right thing -- like his efforts to save wildling men, women, children; protecting people in need; and teaming up with [[EnemyMine wildling warriors]] to [[WeAREStrugglingTogether fight everyone's true enemy]], [[GreaterScopeVillain the Others]]. In addition to Jon's humanitarian reasons for rescuing the wildlings, he also makes a pragmatic argument to his opposers that they can't risk letting the wildlings die, as anyone who dies north of the Wall would become part of the aforementioned [[ZombieApocalypse giant army of the dead]], which is coming for them ''all'' and they need a way to defend against this.

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** Like Daenerys, Jon Snow has to start climbing the learning curve at top speed when he joins the Night's Watch and he's also compassionate, heroic, and is always trying do to the right thing. While he has many traits of a "classic hero," is described as a [[https://youtu.be/yarEbKyk8PU?t=146 "classic hero"]] by [[WordOfGod author, George R. R. Martin]], and is trying to protect people, he also finds out that doing the right thing, as well as his Stark traits of honor and duty, put him at odds with other members of the Nightís Watch -- learning that doing what's right and going by the Watch's tradition/rules [[TeamSwitzerland tradition]]/[[LawfulStupid rules]] donít always go hand in hand. Jon's continued efforts to do the right thing and his sympathy for the wildlings -- who Jon has to explain are ''people too,'' which contrasts the entrenched, traditional views of some Watch members -- do ''not'' earn him the best reputation from some fellow members. While he maintains his morality, compassion, and drive to save people, this strains his personal safety and well-being, meaning the [[TheStoic stoic]] aspects of his personality ramp up when he is elected [[AChildShallLeadThem Lord Commander]], whereupon he sends his friends away to do other jobs for the Night's Watch and isolates himself to try and focus on only duty (while strong emotions, like [[RelativeButton his love for his mostly-lost family]], continue to dog him) in an effort to observe the leadership advice his father and Maester Aemon had given him. When necessary, Jon will go against tradition and opinions of fellow Watch members for the sake of doing the right thing -- like his efforts to save wildling men, women, children; protecting people in need; and teaming up with [[EnemyMine wildling warriors]] to [[WeAREStrugglingTogether fight everyone's true enemy]], [[GreaterScopeVillain the Others]]. In addition to Jon's humanitarian reasons for rescuing the wildlings, he also makes a pragmatic argument to his opposers that they can't risk letting the wildlings die, as anyone who dies north of the Wall would become part of the aforementioned [[ZombieApocalypse giant army of the dead]], which is coming for them ''all'' and they need a way to defend against this.
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