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26th Jun '16 2:11:00 PM NordRonnoc
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* Ethan Sunderland, [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas aka the Courier]], is depicted as this in ''[[Fanfic/MassFoundations Mass Foundations: Redemption in the Stars]]''. To start, he killed a batarian thug, stopping him from mugging him and looted the corpse for anything of value to use. He agreed to work with Cerberus on a project to repair his [[TeleportersAndTransporters Transportalponder]], [[spoiler: abandoned Liara and Feron at the mercy of Tazzik when things turned for the worse in their pursuit of Shepard (though he was willing to rescue them at any cost)]], and took a Blue Suns centurion hostage to extract information on Liara's and Feron's coordinates from her comrades. On the other hand, he assisted the [[TheFederation NCR]] during his travels in the Mojave. He was also squeamish working with Cerberus but didn't see much of a choice but to go along.
14th Jun '16 5:45:06 PM TheSinful
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* Naruto during the second exam in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9948266/15/Team-7-s-Ascension-Blood-Wings Team 7's Ascension]]'' declares a no survivors policy whenever their alliance defeats another team. He doesn't like the idea, but they can't afford having someone come after them for revenge, especially when other alliances are far larger than theirs. This is in stark contrast to Chouji who refuses to kill after his first (accidental) kill.
13th Jun '16 11:03:35 AM OlmoJV
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* In ''Fanfic/TheUltimateEvil'', the {{demon slayer}} Nataline Homato doesn't rule out killing humans -- namely those who are [[DemonicPossession possessed by demons]] or are [[WonderTwinPowers Others]] to them -- if she believes that the world can be kept safe from demons that way, making it initially hard for her to work with the more upright [[WesternAnimation/JackieChanAdventures Chans]].
4th Jun '16 2:04:24 PM Stranrep
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** Also [[spoiler: 71-Hour Ahmed from ''Jingo'', the chief policemen of Klatch, who broke SacredHospitality to execured a murderer, who poisoned a oasis and killed many people. He also doesn't follow ThouShaltNotKill rule, which his Ankh-Morpork counterpart, Samuel Vimes tries to follow.]]

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** Also [[spoiler: 71-Hour Ahmed from ''Jingo'', the chief policemen policeman of Klatch, who broke SacredHospitality to execured a murderer, who poisoned a oasis and killed many people. He also doesn't follow ThouShaltNotKill rule, which his Ankh-Morpork counterpart, Samuel Vimes tries to follow.]]
4th Jun '16 2:03:18 PM Stranrep
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** Also [[spoiler: 71-Hour Ahmed from ''Jingo'', the chief policemen of Klatch, who broke SacredHospitality to execured a murderer, who poisoned a oasis and killed many people. He also doesn't follow ThouShaltNotKill rule, which his Ankh-Morpork counterpart, Samuel Vimes tries to follow.]]
31st May '16 8:52:41 AM Quanyails
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* The new ''[[VideoGame/TombRaider2013 Tomb Raider]]'' game has Lara develop into this over the course of the game. While she starts out as a ClassicalAntiHero who must simply kill in self defense merely to survive the extreme conditions around her, she gradually becomes more and more jaded and numb until she's spouting BadassBoasts that imply she's now come to revel in the carnage she reaps. She even has a standard "brushes off of an attempted WhatTheHellHero" moment.

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* The new ''[[VideoGame/TombRaider2013 Tomb Raider]]'' game has Lara develop into this over the course of the game. While she starts out as a ClassicalAntiHero who must simply kill in self defense merely to survive the extreme conditions around her, she gradually becomes more and more jaded and numb until she's spouting BadassBoasts {{Badass Boast}}s that imply she's now come to revel in the carnage she reaps. She even has a standard "brushes off of an attempted WhatTheHellHero" moment.
19th May '16 11:25:05 PM Valiran
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At the end of the day, their justification is typically IDidWhatIHadToDo, they ''love'' giving TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to a poor WideEyedIdealist, and they might evolve into [[CynicalMentor cynical mentors]]. However, they will never say "SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids," and are quite likely to view any unpleasant actions they take as DirtyBusiness and seek to avoid it if reasonably possible. Deep down, they want the best for others, and this character may have shades of ChronicHeroSyndrome as he/she will often be the one to defend a captured minion or fallen hero. Being pragmatic, they also have both the flaws and strengths a more passionate hero lacks, so are less likely to let [[ItsPersonal personal]] intentions get in the way of their job, possibly seeing that kind of behavior as shortsighted and [[ConsummateProfessional unprofessional]]. In this sense a Pragmatic Hero contrasts a BloodKnight or HeWhoFightsMonsters. However, if their [[ShootTheDog methods]] ''are'' [[UpToEleven excessively violent]] or otherwise distasteful, they've become [[UnscrupulousHero Unscrupulous Heroes]]. Compare GoodIsNotNice if the "good guy" extends his jerkassery towards non-villainous characters as well and GoodIsNotSoft in for the instances when they get their hands bloody in the name of the greater good while remaining more or less decent people.

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At the end of the day, their justification is typically IDidWhatIHadToDo, they ''love'' giving TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to a poor WideEyedIdealist, and they might evolve into [[CynicalMentor cynical mentors]]. However, they will never say "SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids," and are quite likely to view any unpleasant actions they take as DirtyBusiness and seek to avoid it if reasonably possible. Deep down, they want the best for others, and this character may have shades of ChronicHeroSyndrome as he/she will often be the one to defend a captured minion or fallen hero. hero.

Being pragmatic, they also have both the flaws and strengths a more passionate hero lacks, so are less likely to let [[ItsPersonal personal]] intentions get in the way of their job, possibly seeing that kind of behavior as shortsighted and [[ConsummateProfessional unprofessional]].unprofessional]], since acting without thought for the consequences of one's actions is against everything they believe in. In this sense a Pragmatic Hero contrasts a BloodKnight or HeWhoFightsMonsters.

However, if their [[ShootTheDog methods]] ''are'' [[UpToEleven excessively violent]] or otherwise distasteful, they've become [[UnscrupulousHero Unscrupulous Heroes]]. Compare GoodIsNotNice if the "good guy" extends his jerkassery towards non-villainous characters as well and GoodIsNotSoft in for the instances when they get their hands bloody in the name of the greater good while remaining more or less decent people.
19th May '16 7:04:21 PM Valiran
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This character is one step further towards the gray side of AntiHero from the (first type of) KnightInSourArmor. While the KnightInSourArmor will do the right thing, but cut the nice-ties, the Pragmatic Hero is more about doing the right thing whether anyone likes it or not, and will shove aside more idealistic heroes who give them a WhatTheHellHero moment.

At the end of the day, their justification is typically IDidWhatIHadToDo, they ''love'' giving TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to a poor WideEyedIdealist, and they might evolve into [[CynicalMentor cynical mentors]]. However, they will never say "SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids". Deep down, they want the best for others, and this character may have shades of ChronicHeroSyndrome as he/she will often be the one to defend a captured minion or fallen hero. Being pragmatic, they also have both the flaws and strengths a more passionate hero lacks, so are less likely to let [[ItsPersonal personal]] intentions get in the way of their job. In this sense a Pragmatic Hero contrasts a BloodKnight or HeWhoFightsMonsters. However, if their [[ShootTheDog methods]] ''are'' [[UpToEleven excessively violent]] or otherwise distasteful, they've become [[UnscrupulousHero Unscrupulous Heroes]]. Compare GoodIsNotNice if the "good guy" extends his jerkassery towards non-villainous characters as well and GoodIsNotSoft in for the instances when they get their hands bloody in the name of the greater good while remaining more or less decent people.

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This character is one step further towards the gray side of AntiHero from the (first type of) KnightInSourArmor. While the KnightInSourArmor will do the right thing, but cut the nice-ties, niceties, the Pragmatic Hero is more about doing the right thing whether anyone likes it or not, and will shove aside more idealistic heroes who give them a WhatTheHellHero moment.

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At the end of the day, their justification is typically IDidWhatIHadToDo, they ''love'' giving TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to a poor WideEyedIdealist, and they might evolve into [[CynicalMentor cynical mentors]]. However, they will never say "SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids"."SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids," and are quite likely to view any unpleasant actions they take as DirtyBusiness and seek to avoid it if reasonably possible. Deep down, they want the best for others, and this character may have shades of ChronicHeroSyndrome as he/she will often be the one to defend a captured minion or fallen hero. Being pragmatic, they also have both the flaws and strengths a more passionate hero lacks, so are less likely to let [[ItsPersonal personal]] intentions get in the way of their job.job, possibly seeing that kind of behavior as shortsighted and [[ConsummateProfessional unprofessional]]. In this sense a Pragmatic Hero contrasts a BloodKnight or HeWhoFightsMonsters. However, if their [[ShootTheDog methods]] ''are'' [[UpToEleven excessively violent]] or otherwise distasteful, they've become [[UnscrupulousHero Unscrupulous Heroes]]. Compare GoodIsNotNice if the "good guy" extends his jerkassery towards non-villainous characters as well and GoodIsNotSoft in for the instances when they get their hands bloody in the name of the greater good while remaining more or less decent people.
24th Apr '16 6:42:57 AM Derkhan
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* Conrad Nomikos in ''Literature/ThisImmortal''. He is not above resorting to guerrilla warfare, standing aside and potentially seeing someone killed or [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking insulting sensibilities by dismantling the pyramid of Cheops]] to prove his point and acieve the greater goal of an autonomous Earth with its inhabitants returned. He does, however, take the time to first make damn sure it's the best course of action towards that goal.
14th Mar '16 3:19:15 PM Beedle
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Popeye}}'' holds himself to a strict moral code, but this doesn't stop him from beating people or animals to a pulp (occasionally for little to no reason, in the early shorts anyway). And a sometimes when he rescues Olive, he does so to prevent Bluto from having her rather than for her own safety.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Popeye}}'' holds himself to a strict moral code, but this doesn't stop him from beating people or animals to a pulp (occasionally for little to no reason, in the early shorts anyway). And a sometimes when he rescues Olive, he does so to prevent Bluto from having her rather than for her own safety.


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** Sokka tries to take this approach in "The Painted Lady", when the group comes across a village suffering from pollution, hunger and sickness. Katara wishes to stop and help them, but Sokka insists that they don't have time to help everyone they meet and that they would be doing a lot more good by succeeding with their plan to invade the Fire Nation.
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