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31st May '17 4:31:52 PM wyattte
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* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' has Captain Ben Sisko, who, faced with a brutal war with the Dominion, steadily becomes more and more this trope over the course of the series, even as it catches up with his conscience. We get a truly stunning example in season 5's "For The Uniform", [[spoiler: where he has the atmosphere of a Maquis planet poisoned ''just'' to force Eddington, a former Federation officer and Maquis defector, to surrender to the authorities. It works, and [[HeroInsurance Sisko never even faces any consequences for it.]]]]

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* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' has Captain Ben Sisko, who, faced with a brutal war with the Dominion, steadily becomes more and more this trope over the course of the series, even as it catches up with his conscience. This was, of course, in sharp contrast to LawfulGood Jean-Luc Picard from ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration The Next Generation]].'' We get a truly stunning example of what Sisko's made of in season 5's [[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS05E13ForTheUniform "For The Uniform", Uniform"]], [[spoiler: where he has the atmosphere of a Maquis planet poisoned ''just'' to force Eddington, a former Federation officer and Maquis defector, to surrender to the authorities. It works, and [[HeroInsurance Sisko never even faces any consequences for it.]]]]


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** When things got tough, Captain Kathryn Janeway from ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' could give Sisko a run for his money in the morally grey department - hell, she had the gall to [[DealWithTheDevil collaborate]] with ''the Borg'' in order to take down a stronger enemy.
31st May '17 4:24:54 PM wyattte
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** Not that Captain James T. Kirk from ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' didn't have shades of this once in a while; on a few occasions, he's violated the PrimeDirective in order to make a point. [[Recap/StarTrekS1E23ATasteOfArmageddon "A Taste Of Armageddon"]] is a particularly significant example of this.
23rd May '17 3:36:46 PM Bubbulze
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* Basically every member of Night Raid and some more in ''Manga/AkameGaKill''
17th May '17 8:07:22 AM Vanada
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Most great fictional heroes fall into one of two broad categories: the IdealHero, such as TheCape or a KnightInShiningArmor who is pretty much exactly what one would hope for in a hero - skilled, courageous, morally pure, etc., and the AntiHero, who lacks one or more qualities normally considered necessary for an IdealHero. For example, a ClassicalAntiHero lacks ability or self-confidence. A KnightInSourArmor lacks a positive attitude, and a NominalHero lacks morally pure intentions and has purely selfish motivation.

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Most great fictional heroes fall into one of two broad categories: the IdealHero, such as TheCape or a KnightInShiningArmor who is pretty much exactly what one would hope for in a hero - skilled, courageous, morally pure, etc., and the AntiHero, who lacks one or more qualities normally considered necessary for an IdealHero. For example, a ClassicalAntiHero lacks ability or self-confidence. A KnightInSourArmor lacks a positive attitude, and a NominalHero lacks morally pure intentions and has purely selfish selfless motivation.
6th Apr '17 5:17:08 PM Matt620
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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10199357/1/Let-the-Storm-Rage-On Let the Storm Rage On]] establishes Hans as one of these. As one of his brothers puts it, Hans will lie, trick, use force, or even play nice to get what he wants, and he uses all of these and more. But he is firmly the hero of the story, working tirelessly to save his persecuted subjects on multiple occasions.
1st Mar '17 10:20:01 PM RavenWilder
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* Clarke from ''Series/{{The 100}}'' manages to be both this ''and'' an AllLovingHero. She's an incredibly caring and kind-hearted person, who does her level best to save everyone, even people who have attacked her or murdered her friends. However, she also has an uncanny knack for ''suppressing'' the part of her that cares for people. If Clarke believes there's no way out of a situation without someone getting hurt, then she's going to decide who needs to be sacrificed and act on it with barely any hesitation. Even close friends and lovers aren't safe if Clarke decides TheNeedsOfTheMany have to come first.

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* Clarke from ''Series/{{The 100}}'' 100}}'': Clarke Griffin manages to be both this ''and'' an AllLovingHero. She's an incredibly caring and kind-hearted person, who does her level best to save everyone, even people who have attacked her or murdered her friends. However, she also has an uncanny knack for ''suppressing'' the part of her that cares for people. If Clarke believes there's no way out of a situation without someone getting hurt, then she's going to decide who needs to be sacrificed and act on it with barely any hesitation. Even close friends and lovers aren't safe if Clarke decides TheNeedsOfTheMany have to come first.
1st Mar '17 10:18:56 PM RavenWilder
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* Clarke from ''Series/{{The 100}}'' manages to be both this ''and'' an AllLovingHero. She's an incredibly caring and kind-hearted person, who does her level best to save everyone, even people who have attacked her or murdered her friends. However, she also has an uncanny knack for ''suppressing'' the part of her that cares for people. If Clarke believes there's no way out of a situation without someone getting hurt, then she's going to decide who needs to be sacrificed and act on it with barely any hesitation. Even close friends and lovers aren't safe if Clarke decides TheNeedsOfTheMany have to come first.



* Clarke from ''Series/{{The 100}}'' manages to be both this ''and'' an AllLovingHero. She's an incredibly caring and kind-hearted person, who does her level best to save everyone, even people who have attacked her or murdered her friends. However, she also has an uncanny knack for ''suppressing'' the part of her that cares for people. If Clarke believes there's no way out of a situation without someone getting hurt, then she's going to decide who needs to be sacrificed and act on it with barely any hesitation. Even close friends and lovers aren't safe if Clarke decides TheNeedsOfTheMany have to come first.
11th Feb '17 3:59:43 PM A.P.D.
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* ComicBook/IronMan in ''ComicBook/CivilWar''. When faced with the possibility of the implementation of a Superhero Registration Act, Iron Man tries to prevent it, to the point of speaking in a hearing against the SHRA. However, once the act becomes an inevitability and is subsequently passed, he decides to support it, not only hoping it could be diffused, but knowing that resisting the law would bring dire consequences for the superhero community. His methods to win the ensuing war between the pro-SHRA faction and the anti-SHRA forces (led by Captain America) include the creation of a prison for outlaw vigilantes in the Negative Zone and the recruitment of the supervillain team known as the Thunderbolts.
-->"''To do what I needed to do to win this quickly-- I knew that meant you [Captain America] and I would probably never speak again. Or be friends again. Or partners again. I told myself I was okay with it because I knew I was right and I--I knew it was saving lives. It was!! It was the right thing to do! And--and--and I was willing to get in bed with people we despise to get this done. And I knew the world favors the underdog and that I would be the bad guy. I knew this and I said it was okay with it.''" (from ''Civil War: The Confession'' #1)
3rd Feb '17 12:49:04 PM CountDorku
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* Pretty much everyone in ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'' who can be considered more than a NominalHero is remarkably willing to accept casualties in the name of doing what's right. [[BigBad Handsome Jack]] ''believes'' himself to be this, but he's more of a self-obsessed jackass with hints of a God complex who just wants control.
17th Jan '17 6:23:53 PM ZimFan89
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* In ''Manga/BlackButler'', Ciel is willing to do all sorts of morally grey or even black things -- murder, blackmail, emotional manipulation, sacrificing innocent lives, etc. -- for the greater good of [[MyCountryRightOrWrong serving Great Britain's interests]]. That said, at times it seems to weigh on his conscience, and for the most part he does genuinely want to help people.
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