Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Main / PostMortemConversion

Go To

OR

Added: 102

Changed: 23

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Compare InTheOriginalKlingon.

to:

Compare InTheOriginalKlingon.
InTheOriginalKlingon, HistoricalHeroUpgrade.


Added DiffLines:

** Not to mention the completely false story that he recanted his theory of evolution on his deathbed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Casey Sheehan by his mother and virtually the entire anti-war (and anti-capitalist) movement. The younger Sheehan volunteered to serve in the military and fight in Iraq. After he died, his mother began to use him as a symbol for struggle against the Bush Administration, as well as for socialist principles, all the while claiming this is what he would have wanted, though his service record would suggest otherwise.

to:

* Casey Sheehan by his mother and virtually the entire anti-war (and anti-capitalist) movement. The younger Sheehan volunteered to serve in the military and fight in Iraq. After he died, his mother began to use him as a symbol for struggle against the [[GeorgeWBush Bush Administration, Administration]], as well as for socialist principles, all the while claiming this is what he would have wanted, though his service record would suggest otherwise.



** It's doubtful whether Reagan fits this trope: he was widely seen as being ''extremely'' conservative before, during and after his term of office (more conservative than, say, his Vice-President and successor George H. W. Bush, or his Republican predecessor Gerald Ford.)

to:

** It's doubtful whether Reagan fits this trope: he was widely seen as being ''extremely'' conservative before, during and after his term of office (more conservative than, say, his Vice-President and successor George H. W. Bush, GeorgeHWBush, or his Republican predecessor Gerald Ford.)Ford).



* Dante Alighieri was born in Florence, and participated in a civil war. After that, he was exiled with a lot of the loser faction. Dante become Florence’s ButtMonkey ([[NeverAcceptedInHisHometown When his natal city declared an amnesty for all the exiled politicians, he was the only one not included]]). He begged all his life to return to Florence, but he never could. He died in Ravena in 1321. When they realized Dante was [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative the greatest modern Italian poet]], Florence came to regret Dante's exile, and made repeated requests for the return of his remains. The custodians of the body at Ravenna refused to comply, at one point going so far as to conceal the bones in a false wall of the monastery. Nevertheless, in 1829, a tomb was built for him in Florence in the basilica of Santa Croce. That tomb has been empty ever since, with Dante's body remaining in Ravenna, far from the city he loved so dearly.


to:

* Dante Alighieri was born in Florence, and participated in a civil war. After that, he was exiled with a lot of the loser faction. Dante become Florence’s became Florence's ButtMonkey ([[NeverAcceptedInHisHometown When when his natal city declared an amnesty for all the exiled politicians, he was the only one not included]]). He begged all his life to return to Florence, but he never could. He died in Ravena in 1321. When they realized Dante was [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative the greatest modern Italian poet]], Florence came to regret Dante's exile, and made repeated requests for the return of his remains. The custodians of the body at Ravenna refused to comply, at one point going so far as to conceal the bones in a false wall of the monastery. Nevertheless, in 1829, a tomb was built for him in Florence in the basilica of Santa Croce. That tomb has been empty ever since, with Dante's body remaining in Ravenna, far from the city he loved so dearly.

dearly.



--------------------------

to:

------------------------------
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** It's doubtful whether Reagan fits this trope: he was widely seen as being ''extremely'' conservative before, during and after his term of office (more conservative than, say, his Vice-President and successor George H. W. Bush, or his Republican predecessor Gerald Ford.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** For what it's worth, the Church teaches that the deceased persons have the opportunity to accept or reject these baptisms on the other side.

to:

** For what it's worth, the Church teaches that the deceased persons have to choose to accept that post-mortem baptism for it to have any effect on the deceased, who is being given the opportunity to accept or reject these baptisms on the other side.make that choice.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** In 1995, when Butterfly [=McQueen=] -- Prissy in ''GoneWithTheWind'' -- died in a house fire, a [[TheFundamentalist fundamentalist]] neighbor who had proselytized [=McQueen=] (a lifelong atheist) several times reported to the press that as [=McQueen=] was being carried out, she said she was repenting and claiming that she was really a Christian all the time. Other witnesses disputed this claim.

Added: 116

Changed: 453

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Babylon 5 example



to:

* In a season two episode of ''BabylonFive'', Londo claims that the whispered last words of the Emperor of the Centauri was a statement of approval for a military victory (In a totally unprovoked attack on a foreign power that the Emperor was trying to end his nation's diplomatic tensions with) and a request that Mollari and Lord Refa return the Republic to its GloryDays. Right after Mollari and Refa leave [=MedLab=], they have a brief conversation.
-->'''Refa:''' Out of curiosity, Mollari, what did the old man ''really'' say?
-->'''Mollari:''' You are both damned.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None




to:

\n* Dante Alighieri was born in Florence, and participated in a civil war. After that, he was exiled with a lot of the loser faction. Dante become Florence’s ButtMonkey ([[NeverAcceptedInHisHometown When his natal city declared an amnesty for all the exiled politicians, he was the only one not included]]). He begged all his life to return to Florence, but he never could. He died in Ravena in 1321. When they realized Dante was [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative the greatest modern Italian poet]], Florence came to regret Dante's exile, and made repeated requests for the return of his remains. The custodians of the body at Ravenna refused to comply, at one point going so far as to conceal the bones in a false wall of the monastery. Nevertheless, in 1829, a tomb was built for him in Florence in the basilica of Santa Croce. That tomb has been empty ever since, with Dante's body remaining in Ravenna, far from the city he loved so dearly.

Added: 103

Changed: 283

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None




to:

\n* The Pilgrims are often said to support X or Y when in actuality they'd probably be disgusted about it. As an example, Religious Freedom; the Puritans discriminated against non-Puritans for years.
* RonaldReagan for Conservative Americans. Anything more is probably FlameBait though.
** Similarly, BillClinton has experienced a bit of this for the other side, despite not being dead yet.

Changed: 145

Removed: 111

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* {{Conservapedia}} is among the many who Post Mortem Convert George Orwell; they have also recently recast MartinLutherKingJr as a conservative.




[[AC:WebOriginal]]
* {{Conservapedia}} has recently recast MartinLutherKingJr and GeorgeOrwell as conservatives.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Deleted that last one because there are already three examples from American politics in there, leaving the \'let\'s leave it at that\' a little out of place.


* FriedrichNietzsche despised anti-Semitism, nationalism, and (towards the end of his life) Germany (he took to insisting that he was ''Polish'', which is as false as it is hilarious). It is therefore quite natural that ThoseWackyNazis appropriated his notes--heavily edited by his proto-Nazi sister--to make themselves seem like they had an intellectual program besides hating the Jews ([[LongList and the Roma, and the Poles, and the Russians, and...]]). Unfortunately for the world, [[DichterAndDenker Martin Heidegger]], a student of Nietzsche's thought, believed them....

to:

* FriedrichNietzsche despised anti-Semitism, nationalism, and (towards the end of his life) Germany (he took to insisting that he was ''Polish'', which is as false as it is hilarious). It is therefore quite natural that ThoseWackyNazis appropriated his notes--heavily notes - heavily edited by his proto-Nazi sister--to sister - to make themselves it seem like they had an intellectual program besides hating the Jews ([[LongList and the Roma, and the Poles, and the Russians, and...]]). Unfortunately for the world, [[DichterAndDenker Martin Heidegger]], a student of Nietzsche's thought, believed them....



* A common problem in modern American politics, and [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement let's leave it at that.]]

to:

* A common problem GeorgeOrwell. Hoo boy. Since his death in modern American politics, 1950, many people from Right to Left have claimed that 'if Orwell was alive now, he would have been on our side', often [[QuoteMine selectively quoting]] him in the process. Orwell particularly attracts Post Mortem Conversions for two reasons. Firstly, he's a vulnerable target, because his own views were quite complex and [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement let's leave often seemingly contradictory (for example, he was a revolutionary Socialist but took a deeply conservative stance on many cultural issues) - a point which he [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by calling himself a "Tory anarchist". And secondly, he is a ''heavily'' idolised figure who is almost universally held up as a shining example of BrutalHonesty, making it at that.]]
very attractive to try and Post Mortem Convert him to one's cause.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* A common problem in modern American politics, and [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement let's leave it at that.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FriedrichNietzsche despised anti-Semitism, nationalism, and (towards the end of his life) Germany (he took to insisting that he was ''Polish'', which is as false as it is hilarious). It is therefore quite natural that ThoseWackyNazis appropriated his notes--heavily edited by his proto-Nazi sister--to make themselves seem like they had an intellectual program besides hating the Jews (and the Roma, and the Poles, and the Russians, and...). Unfortunately for the world, [[DichterAndDenker Martin Heidegger]], a student of Nietzsche's thought, believed them....

to:

* FriedrichNietzsche despised anti-Semitism, nationalism, and (towards the end of his life) Germany (he took to insisting that he was ''Polish'', which is as false as it is hilarious). It is therefore quite natural that ThoseWackyNazis appropriated his notes--heavily edited by his proto-Nazi sister--to make themselves seem like they had an intellectual program besides hating the Jews (and ([[LongList and the Roma, and the Poles, and the Russians, and...).]]). Unfortunately for the world, [[DichterAndDenker Martin Heidegger]], a student of Nietzsche's thought, believed them....
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Casey Sheehan by his mother and virtually the entire anti-war (and anti-capitalist) movement. The younger Sheehan volunteered to serve in the military and fight in Iraq. After he died, his mother began to use him as a symbol for struggle against the Bush Administration, as well as for socialist principles, all the while claiming this is what he would have wanted, though his service record would suggest otherwise.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
No, he is not. I quote: \"It was true that there was no such person as Comrade Ogilvy, but a few lines of print and a couple of faked photographs would soon bring him into existence.\" The man didn\'t exist at all. Winston had no photos, they\'ll be faked later.


* In ''NineteenEightyFour'', Winston (who works at a propaganda center) pulls out a name and photo of a random dead guy and rewrites him as a great war hero and party loyalist.

to:

* In ''NineteenEightyFour'', Winston (who works at a propaganda center) pulls out a name and photo of a random dead guy and rewrites him as a great war hero and party loyalist.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[AC:VideoGames]]
* In the backstory of ''FinalFantasyX'', Yuna's father Braska was a rebel who questioned authority and reached out in peace to the Al-Bhed, a people that the theocratic CorruptChurch he belonged to liked to use as a scapegoat, and was cast out of the clergy as a result. When Braska set out on his journey, he mused on what a delightful irony it would be if he, Auron (then a warrior-priest in disgrace for political reasons) and Jecht (seemingly a drunken heretic claiming to be from a city destroyed 1000 years ago) were the ones to defeat [[EldritchAbomination Sin]]. Fast forward to the present, and the Church of Yevon is proclaiming Braska a champion of the Church to be emulated by the faithful while never mentioning the way he challenged the Church. There's even a short scene where Auron stands before a statue of Braska in a temple and comments on the irony.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* In ''NineteenEightyFour'', the main character (who works at a propaganda central) pulls out a name and photo of a random dead guy and make him a great war-hero and party loyalist.

to:

* In ''NineteenEightyFour'', the main character Winston (who works at a propaganda central) center) pulls out a name and photo of a random dead guy and make rewrites him as a great war-hero war hero and party loyalist.
loyalist.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
very loosely based on a real person.



to:

* In ''NineteenEightyFour'', the main character (who works at a propaganda central) pulls out a name and photo of a random dead guy and make him a great war-hero and party loyalist.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
actually, he makes him up entirely, the guy never existed in any way


* In ''NineteenEightyFour'', the main character (who works at a propaganda central) pulls out a name and photo of a random dead guy and make him a great war-hero and party loyalist.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


In some cases, the poor guy doesn't even deserve his good reputation: The same group who made up his loyalty to them also made up his good deeds. Good in 'their'' eyes, that is - his alleged deeds may or may not go against what he believed in. In either case, him being dead means he can't be there to contradict their version of how he lived, how he died, and what he believed in. In extra cynical cases, the group actually had him killed for this very reason!

to:

In some cases, the poor guy doesn't even deserve his good reputation: The same group who made up his loyalty to them also made up his good deeds. Good in 'their'' ''their'' eyes, that is - his alleged deeds may or may not go against what he believed in. In either case, him being dead means he can't be there to contradict their version of how he lived, how he died, and what he believed in. In extra cynical cases, the group actually had him killed for this very reason!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* In the Serbian film ''TheUnderground'', a gun-runner during World War 2 becomes a powerful man in the Communist Yugoslavian government by paying poetic tribute to the martyrdom of his former partner Blacky. In reality, they were only in the resistance for the money, their legendary fight with Nazis was over a girl, and Blacky is still alive.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** For what it's worth, the Church teaches that the deceased persons have the opportunity to accept or reject these baptisms on the other side.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The premise of WorldsGreatestDad is a father recasting his worthless son as a tragic idol after he dies from AutoeroticAsphyxiation.

to:

* The premise of WorldsGreatestDad is a father recasting his worthless son as [[spoiler:as a tragic idol after he dies from AutoeroticAsphyxiation.
AutoeroticAsphyxiation.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* At the end of ''JudgeDredd: Origins'', with his last breath, Fargo despairs at what has become of America and urges Dredd to restore freedom and democracy. In order to maintain order, Dredd tells the few others who know of Fargo's true fate that the old man was pleased that the [[PoliceState Judges now ran America]].

to:

* At the end of ''JudgeDredd: Origins'', with his last breath, Fargo [[spoiler:Fargo despairs at what has become of America and urges Dredd to restore freedom and democracy. In order to maintain order, Dredd tells the few others who know of Fargo's true fate that the old man was pleased that the [[PoliceState Judges now ran America]].
America]].]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
a bit of context


-->-- '''AlbertEinstein'''

to:

-->-- '''AlbertEinstein'''
'''AlbertEinstein''' addressing the French Philosophical Society
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Nietzsche despised the ideas of Nazism, but after his death his name was used to make Nazism appear more intellectual. This was to large extent facilitated by his sister, who was a Nazi.

to:

* Nietzsche FriedrichNietzsche despised anti-Semitism, nationalism, and (towards the ideas end of Nazism, but after his death life) Germany (he took to insisting that he was ''Polish'', which is as false as it is hilarious). It is therefore quite natural that ThoseWackyNazis appropriated his name was used to make Nazism appear more intellectual. This was to large extent facilitated notes--heavily edited by his sister, who was proto-Nazi sister--to make themselves seem like they had an intellectual program besides hating the Jews (and the Roma, and the Poles, and the Russians, and...). Unfortunately for the world, [[DichterAndDenker Martin Heidegger]], a Nazi.student of Nietzsche's thought, believed them....
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


In less blatant cases, they are merely [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead showing him "respect"]] by politely editing out any unpopular or "inapropriate" thoughts, feelings & loyalties he might have had.

to:

In less blatant cases, they are merely [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead showing him "respect"]] by politely editing out any unpopular or "inapropriate" "inappropriate" thoughts, feelings & loyalties he might have had.



-->people on both the left and the right (but mostly the right) have tried to project their own beliefs onto a man who kept his close to the vest... After John McCain and other political and military leaders spoke about Pat being in "a better place" the younger Tillman [Pat's brother] took the stage with a pint of ale, thanked everyone for coming, then said, "By the way, Pat isn't with God, he's fuckin' dead. He wasn't religious." -- http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-tillman-story,44352/

to:

-->people on both the left and the right (but mostly the right) have tried to project their own beliefs onto a man who kept his close to the vest... After John McCain [=McCain=] and other political and military leaders spoke about Pat being in "a better place" the younger Tillman [Pat's brother] took the stage with a pint of ale, thanked everyone for coming, then said, "By the way, Pat isn't with God, he's fuckin' dead. He wasn't religious." -- http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-tillman-story,44352/



* The stonecutters from ''TheSimpsons'' claim that (among others) the signers of TheDeclarationOfIndependence [[AndZoidberg and Washington]] were Stonecutters, according to their Secret World History.

to:

* The stonecutters from ''TheSimpsons'' claim that (among others) the signers of TheDeclarationOfIndependence The Declaration of Independence [[AndZoidberg and Washington]] were Stonecutters, according to their Secret World History.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* In ''WagTheDog'', the propaganda spin-doctors turns a retarded rapist into a faked warhero. When they can't control him, they get him killed. This is a huge improvement for them, since his corpse is easy to control. [[ShamCeremony Public burial of the "hero" ensues]].

to:

* In ''WagTheDog'', the propaganda spin-doctors turns a retarded rapist into a faked warhero.war-hero. When they can't control him, they get him killed. This is a huge improvement for them, since his corpse is easy to control. [[ShamCeremony Public burial of the "hero" ensues]].



* In ''NineteenEightyFour'', the main character (who works at a propagande central) pulls out a name and photo of a random dead guy and make him a great warhero and party loyalist.

to:

* In ''NineteenEightyFour'', the main character (who works at a propagande propaganda central) pulls out a name and photo of a random dead guy and make him a great warhero war-hero and party loyalist.



* Nietzsche despised the ideas of nazism, but after his death his name was used to make nazism appear more intellectual. This was to large extent faciliated by his sister, who was a nazi.

to:

* Nietzsche despised the ideas of nazism, Nazism, but after his death his name was used to make nazism Nazism appear more intellectual. This was to large extent faciliated facilitated by his sister, who was a nazi.Nazi.



* Darwin's writings (and later additions) were used during his lifetime and after his death to justify social darwinism and eugenics. He disapproved and fought against both.

to:

* Darwin's writings (and later additions) were used during his lifetime and after his death to justify social darwinism Darwinism and eugenics. He disapproved of and fought against both.



* The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, aka the Mormons, perform baptism for deceased people not of their faith. They see it as providing a favor for people who didn't have the opportunity to be baptised in life. Critics say the practice is disrespectful and amounts to trying literal postmortem conversion.

to:

* The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, aka the Mormons, perform baptism for deceased people not of their faith. They see it as providing a favor for people who didn't have the opportunity to be baptised in life. Critics say the practice is disrespectful and amounts to trying literal postmortem post-mortem conversion.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, aka the Mormons, perform baptism for deceased people not of their faith. They see it as providing a favor for people who didn't have the opportunity to be baptised in life. Critics say the practice is disrespectful and amounts to trying literal postmortem conversion.

Top