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7th Jul '16 6:46:27 PM freesefan
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* In still another Turtledove series, the ''Literature/{{Timeline 191}}'' series, the point of divergence is right before the battle of Antietam. In real life the chance Union discovery of Confederate marching orders (Special Order 191) led to that battle, in which Lee's invasion of the north failed and his army barely escaped destruction. In Turtledove's books, the marching orders are not found, Lee wins a crushing victory over [=McClellan=]'s army at a different location, and the Confederacy wins its independence.
27th Jan '16 7:47:56 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''WorldInConflict''. The game asks the question, what if the Soviet Union decided to go to war in 1989 rather than face collapse? The Berlin Wall still comes down in this world, but it comes down when the Soviets blow it down with demolition charges and flood West Berlin with their troops. They proceed to [[WorldWarIII invade Western Europe]], with varying degrees of success and failure. Then they decide to launch an [[InvadedStatesOfAmerica invasion of the United States]] in the hopes of at least tricking the U.S. into pulling it's forces from Europe to reinforce the home front.
* ''VideoGame/{{Resistance}}'': The [=PoD=] occurs when Spain decides to heed U.S. demands after the destruction of the ''U.S.S. Maine'' in Havana in 1898. They agreed to give Cuba independence, averting the SpanishAmericanWar. Then the 1908 Tunguska Event brought with it in this world an alien menace, a virus that infects and turns humans into savage alien creatures. WorldWarII as ''we'' know it is averted in this world, but the aliens then invade at the end of 1949 from Russia (which had been slowly overrun in the proceeding decades.
* ''TurningPointFallOfLiberty'': The [=PoD=] is the death of Winston Churchill from a car accident in 1931, instead of surviving as in RealLife. Without his leadership, Britain quickly falls to the Nazis in WorldWarII. The Nazis, along with Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan proceed to conquer their areas of interest, while the Germans built up the military even more. Eventually they launch a full-scale invasion of the United States in 1952.

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* ''WorldInConflict''.''VideoGame/WorldInConflict''. The game asks the question, what if the Soviet Union decided to go to war in 1989 rather than face collapse? The Berlin Wall still comes down in this world, but it comes down when the Soviets blow it down with demolition charges and flood West Berlin with their troops. They proceed to [[WorldWarIII invade Western Europe]], with varying degrees of success and failure. Then they decide to launch an [[InvadedStatesOfAmerica invasion of the United States]] in the hopes of at least tricking the U.S. into pulling it's forces from Europe to reinforce the home front.
* ''VideoGame/{{Resistance}}'': The [=PoD=] occurs when Spain decides to heed U.S. demands after the destruction of the ''U.S.S. Maine'' in Havana in 1898. They agreed to give Cuba independence, averting the SpanishAmericanWar.UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar. Then the 1908 Tunguska Event brought with it in this world an alien menace, a virus that infects and turns humans into savage alien creatures. WorldWarII as ''we'' know it is averted in this world, but the aliens then invade at the end of 1949 from Russia (which had been slowly overrun in the proceeding decades.
* ''TurningPointFallOfLiberty'': ''VideoGame/TurningPointFallOfLiberty'': The [=PoD=] is the death of Winston Churchill from a car accident in 1931, instead of surviving as in RealLife. Without his leadership, Britain quickly falls to the Nazis in WorldWarII. The Nazis, along with Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan proceed to conquer their areas of interest, while the Germans built up the military even more. Eventually they launch a full-scale invasion of the United States in 1952.
1st Dec '15 6:11:04 AM Materioptikon
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Alternatively, an older name for this trope is "Jonbar hinge" - a reference to Creator/JackWilliamson's ''Literature/TheLegionOfTime'', in which such an event is pivotal.
29th Oct '15 11:09:01 PM Str8taim
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* ''TurningPointFallOfLiberty'': The [=PoD=] is the death of Winston Churchill from a car accident in 1931, instead of surviving as in RealLife. Without his leadership, Britain quickly falls to the Nazis in WorldWarII. The Nazis, along with Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan proceed to conquer their ares of interest, while the Germans built up the military even more. Eventually they launch a full-scale invasion of the United States in 1952.

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* ''TurningPointFallOfLiberty'': The [=PoD=] is the death of Winston Churchill from a car accident in 1931, instead of surviving as in RealLife. Without his leadership, Britain quickly falls to the Nazis in WorldWarII. The Nazis, along with Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan proceed to conquer their ares areas of interest, while the Germans built up the military even more. Eventually they launch a full-scale invasion of the United States in 1952.
29th Oct '15 11:06:57 PM Str8taim
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* ''WorldInConflict''. The games asks the question, what if the Soviet Union decided to go to war in 1989 rather than face collapse. The Berlin Wall still comes down in the world, but it comes down when the Soviets blow it down with demolition charges and flood West Berlin with their troops. They proceed to [[WorldWarIII invade Western Europe]], with varying degrees of success and failure. Then decide to launch an [[InvadedStatesOfAmerica invasion of the United States]] in the hopes of at least tricking the U.S. into pulling forces from Europe to reinforce the home front.
* ''VideoGame/{{Resistance}}'': The PoD occurs when Spain decides to heed U.S. demands after the destruction of the ''U.S.S. Maine'' in Havana in 1898. They agreed to give Cuba independence, averting the SpanishAmericanWar. Then the 1908 Tunguska Event brought with in this world an alien menace, a virus that infects and turns humans into savage alien creatures. WorldWarII as ''we'' know it his averted in this world, but the aliens then invade at the end of 1949 from Russia (which had been slowly overrun in the proceeding decades.
* ''TurningPointFallOfLiberty'': The PoD is the death of Winston Churchill from a car accident in 1931, instead of surviving as in RealLife. Without his leadership, Britain quickly falls to the Nazis in WorldWarII. The Nazis, along with Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan proceed to conquer their ares of interest, while the Germans built up the military even more. Eventually they launch a full-scale invasion of the United States in 1952.

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* ''WorldInConflict''. The games game asks the question, what if the Soviet Union decided to go to war in 1989 rather than face collapse. collapse? The Berlin Wall still comes down in the this world, but it comes down when the Soviets blow it down with demolition charges and flood West Berlin with their troops. They proceed to [[WorldWarIII invade Western Europe]], with varying degrees of success and failure. Then they decide to launch an [[InvadedStatesOfAmerica invasion of the United States]] in the hopes of at least tricking the U.S. into pulling it's forces from Europe to reinforce the home front.
* ''VideoGame/{{Resistance}}'': The PoD [=PoD=] occurs when Spain decides to heed U.S. demands after the destruction of the ''U.S.S. Maine'' in Havana in 1898. They agreed to give Cuba independence, averting the SpanishAmericanWar. Then the 1908 Tunguska Event brought with it in this world an alien menace, a virus that infects and turns humans into savage alien creatures. WorldWarII as ''we'' know it his is averted in this world, but the aliens then invade at the end of 1949 from Russia (which had been slowly overrun in the proceeding decades.
* ''TurningPointFallOfLiberty'': The PoD [=PoD=] is the death of Winston Churchill from a car accident in 1931, instead of surviving as in RealLife. Without his leadership, Britain quickly falls to the Nazis in WorldWarII. The Nazis, along with Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan proceed to conquer their ares of interest, while the Germans built up the military even more. Eventually they launch a full-scale invasion of the United States in 1952.
29th Oct '15 11:02:59 PM Str8taim
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* VideoGame/{{Resistance}}: The PoD occurs when Spain decides to heed U.S. demands after the destruction of the ''U.S.S. Maine'' in Havana in 1898. They agreed to give Cuba independence, averting the SpanishAmericanWar. Then the 1908 Tunguska Event brought with in this world an alien menace, a virus that infects and turns humans into savage alien creatures. WorldWarII as ''we'' know it his averted in this world, but the aliens then invade at the end of 1949 from Russia (which had been slowly overrun in the proceeding decades.

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* VideoGame/{{Resistance}}: ''VideoGame/{{Resistance}}'': The PoD occurs when Spain decides to heed U.S. demands after the destruction of the ''U.S.S. Maine'' in Havana in 1898. They agreed to give Cuba independence, averting the SpanishAmericanWar. Then the 1908 Tunguska Event brought with in this world an alien menace, a virus that infects and turns humans into savage alien creatures. WorldWarII as ''we'' know it his averted in this world, but the aliens then invade at the end of 1949 from Russia (which had been slowly overrun in the proceeding decades.
29th Oct '15 11:02:26 PM Str8taim
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* ''WorldInConflict''. The games asks the question, what if the Soviet Union decided to go to war in 1989 rather than face collapse. The Berlin Wall still comes down in the world, but it comes down when the Soviets blow it down with demolition charges and flood West Berlin with their troops. They proceed to [[WorldWarIII invade Western Europe]], with varying degrees of success and failure. Then decide to launch an [[InvadedStatesOfAmerica invasion of the United States]] in the hopes of at least tricking the U.S. into pulling forces from Europe to reinforce the home front.
* VideoGame/{{Resistance}}: The PoD occurs when Spain decides to heed U.S. demands after the destruction of the ''U.S.S. Maine'' in Havana in 1898. They agreed to give Cuba independence, averting the SpanishAmericanWar. Then the 1908 Tunguska Event brought with in this world an alien menace, a virus that infects and turns humans into savage alien creatures. WorldWarII as ''we'' know it his averted in this world, but the aliens then invade at the end of 1949 from Russia (which had been slowly overrun in the proceeding decades.
* ''TurningPointFallOfLiberty'': The PoD is the death of Winston Churchill from a car accident in 1931, instead of surviving as in RealLife. Without his leadership, Britain quickly falls to the Nazis in WorldWarII. The Nazis, along with Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan proceed to conquer their ares of interest, while the Germans built up the military even more. Eventually they launch a full-scale invasion of the United States in 1952.
13th Oct '15 8:21:02 PM Fireblood
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* Another Turtledove series, "Literature/TheWarThatCameEarly" diverges from our timeline when Chamberlain finds a backbone somewhere and refuse to let Hitler take over Czechoslovakia. Germany has to fight to get Czechoslovakia instead of taking it over without a fight, and as a result loses the momentum that let them take most of Europe in real life. Instead they wind up in a bloody two-front slog for most of the rest of the series. On a smaller scale, [[UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar Jose Sanjurjo]] in Spain listens to some good advice, leaves a bit of baggage behind, and survives the plane ride that killed him in real life.

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* Another Turtledove series, "Literature/TheWarThatCameEarly" ''Literature/TheWarThatCameEarly'' diverges from our timeline when Chamberlain finds a backbone somewhere and refuse the German ambassador to let Czechoslavakia is assassinated by a Czech nationalist while Hitler take is negotiating over Czechoslovakia.the Sudetenland in 1938. This prompts Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia, with Britain and France declaring war on Germany in turn. Germany has to fight to get Czechoslovakia instead of taking it over without a fight, and as a result loses the momentum that let them take most of Europe in real life. Instead they wind up in a bloody two-front slog for most of the rest of the series. On a smaller scale, [[UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar Jose Sanjurjo]] in Spain listens to some good advice, leaves a bit of baggage behind, and survives the plane ride that killed him in real life. Because of the early outbreak of WorldWarTwo, the Spanish Republicans are saved by aid from the Allies rather than being defeated in 1939, and Spain also turns into a stalemate.
2nd Oct '15 4:20:15 PM dclark
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* Another Turtledove series, "Literature/TheWarThatCameEarly" diverges from our timeline when Chamberlain finds a backbone somewhere and refuse to let Hitler take over Czechoslovakia. Germany has to fight to get Czechoslovakia instead of taking it over without a fight, and as a result loses the momentum that let them take most of Europe in real life. Instead they wind up in a bloody two-front slog for most of the rest of the series. On a smaller scale, [[UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar Jose Sanjurjo]] in Spain listens to some good advice, leaves a bit of baggage behind, and survives the plane ride that killed him in real life.
8th Aug '15 8:03:28 AM Roach
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* Averted in the Literature/WildCards series - while it ''seems'' that the arrival of Dr. Tachyon and the virus are the point of divergence for this world, there are characters like [[spoiler:Jubal / Jhubben, not a joker but an alien]] that contradict this. Also, Jetboy and Dr. Tod, two earthling characters in the origins story, already are divergences from our history. That doesn't stop people from claiming the appearance of Tach und hte virus are the first changes...
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