History Main / PerfectSolutionFallacy

11th Feb '16 5:00:36 PM zerohelix
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* The ultimate example is rejecting anything you feel like on the basis that it has been imperfectly proven; for example, rejecting the existence of China on the basis that you have never seen it[[note]]Or if you have seen it, rejecting the certainty that your own memories aren't lying to you, or if you are seeing it right now, rejecting the certainty that what you're seeing reflects some external reality[[/note]]. This inevitably results in a philosophical concept called UsefulNotes/{{solipsism}} since it is impossible to prove beyond all ''possible'' doubt anything barring your own mind (maybe not even that).
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* The ultimate example is rejecting anything you feel like on the basis that it has been imperfectly proven; for example, rejecting the existence of China on the basis that you have never seen it[[note]]Or it.[[note]]Or if you have seen it, rejecting the certainty that your own memories aren't lying to you, or if you are seeing it right now, rejecting the certainty that what you're seeing reflects some external reality[[/note]]. reality.[[/note]] This inevitably results in a philosophical concept called UsefulNotes/{{solipsism}} since it is impossible to prove beyond all ''possible'' doubt anything barring your own mind (maybe not even that).
28th Jan '16 7:40:25 AM Fireblood
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* The ultimate example is rejecting anything you feel like on the basis that it has been imperfectly proven; for example, rejecting the existence of China on the basis that you have never seen it[[note]]Or if you have seen it, rejecting the certainty that your own memories aren't lying to you, or if you are seeing it right now, rejecting the certainty that what you're seeing reflects some external reality[[/note]]. This inevitably results in a philosophical concept called UsefulNotes/{{solipsism}} since it is impossible to prove beyond all ''possible'' doubt anything barring your own mind.
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* The ultimate example is rejecting anything you feel like on the basis that it has been imperfectly proven; for example, rejecting the existence of China on the basis that you have never seen it[[note]]Or if you have seen it, rejecting the certainty that your own memories aren't lying to you, or if you are seeing it right now, rejecting the certainty that what you're seeing reflects some external reality[[/note]]. This inevitably results in a philosophical concept called UsefulNotes/{{solipsism}} since it is impossible to prove beyond all ''possible'' doubt anything barring your own mind.mind (maybe not even that).

* The responses to a single case of HIV being reported in the American porn industry. Dozens of activists screaming that the industry's voluntary testing system was worthless, because it had not prevented someone from contracting HIV in the first place. They ignored the fact that this system was what gave the porn industry an infection rate vastly, vastly lower than that of the general population. Though as the the above example, it also resulted in some members of the porn industry being shocked that the system was not 100% perfect.
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* The responses to a single case of HIV being reported in the American porn industry. Dozens industry: dozens of activists screaming that the industry's voluntary testing system was worthless, because it had not prevented someone from contracting HIV in the first place. They ignored the fact that this system was what gave the porn industry an infection rate vastly, vastly lower than that of the general population. Though as the in the above example, it also resulted in some members of the porn industry being shocked that the system was not 100% perfect.

* Discussed [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0490.html this strip]] of Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick, when Roy is getting evaluated by a daeva. The daeva says humans should just accept that they are not infallible and just try to be the best they can. * In ''ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}'' the FatalFlaw behind the Plutonian's FaceHeelTurn was the criticism he received from the population after all his acts of heroism. It is implied that he has a pathological desire to have everyone love him,and simply couldn't tolerate any criticism whatsoever, no matter how justified.
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* Discussed {{Discussed}} [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0490.html this strip]] of Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick, when Roy is getting evaluated by a daeva. The daeva says humans should just accept that they are not infallible and just try to be the best they can. * In ''ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}'' the FatalFlaw behind the Plutonian's FaceHeelTurn was the criticism he received from the population after all his acts of heroism. It is implied that he has a pathological desire to have everyone love him,and him, and simply couldn't tolerate any criticism whatsoever, no matter how justified.

* Despite laws to eliminate the Glass Ceiling, women still make, on average, a dollar less than men. Therefore the laws don't work and we still need to campaign agains the Glass Ceiling. ''On average'' ignores that men and women take different jobs at different hours, and at a personal level they make about the same.
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* Despite laws to eliminate the Glass Ceiling, women still make, on average, a dollar less than men. Therefore the laws don't work and we still need to campaign agains against the Glass Ceiling. ''On average'' ignores that men and women take different jobs at different hours, and at a personal level they make about the same.
21st Dec '15 10:39:28 AM dvorak
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* Despite laws to eliminate the Glass Ceiling, women still make, on average, a dollar less than men. Therefore the laws don't work and we still need to campaign agains the glass ceiling ''On average'' ignores that men and women take different jobs at different hours, and at a personal level they make about the same.
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* Despite laws to eliminate the Glass Ceiling, women still make, on average, a dollar less than men. Therefore the laws don't work and we still need to campaign agains the glass ceiling Glass Ceiling. ''On average'' ignores that men and women take different jobs at different hours, and at a personal level they make about the same.
21st Dec '15 10:38:20 AM dvorak
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* Despite laws to eliminate the Glass Ceiling, women still make, on average, a dollar less than men. Therefore the laws don't work and we still need to campaign agains the glass ceiling ''On average'' ignores that men and women take different jobs at different hours, and at a personal level they make about the same.
21st Aug '15 5:49:36 PM StarSword
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* A meta-example in a ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' episode where the crew discards a new propulsion method, the quantum slipstream drive, because the field becomes unstable after a little while. Nobody brings up the possibility of using QSD for repeated hops until they get home. (Granted, the AnthropicPrinciple requires them to ''not'' consider this or else the show would be over.)
7th Aug '15 1:25:45 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* People who attempt to scare people into abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that, since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'',[[note]]whether by fault of the material or misapplication by the user,[[/note]] they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98%[[note]]under perfect conditions, 85% under normal use[[/note]] of the time. The "perfect" solution of abstinence is also BeggingTheQuestion, since the argument assumes everyone who ''intends'' to be abstinent at one time will ''continue'' to have sufficient determination to be so. Sadly, this fallacy causes some people to believe using condoms is a worthless effort and don't use them because they don't see the benefit.
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* People who attempt to scare people into advocate abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that, since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'',[[note]]whether by fault of the material or misapplication by the user,[[/note]] they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98%[[note]]under perfect conditions, 85% under normal use[[/note]] of the time, "not having sex" will prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] 100% of the time. The However, this "perfect" solution of abstinence is also BeggingTheQuestion, since the argument assumes everyone who ''intends'' to be abstinent at one time will ''continue'' to have sufficient determination to be so. Sadly, this fallacy causes some people to believe using condoms is a worthless effort and don't use them because they don't see the benefit.
15th Jul '15 3:48:00 PM JakesBrain
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--> -- '''Voltaire'''
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--> -- '''Voltaire''' -->--'''Voltaire'''

-->Using reusable bags instead of paper or plastic will help the environment. -->However, using them won't solve the problem completely. --> Therefore, since it isn't the best possible single solution, it isn't worth doing at all.
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-->Using reusable bags instead of paper or plastic will help the environment. -->However, environment.\\ However, using them won't solve the problem completely. --> completely.\\ Therefore, since it isn't the best possible single solution, it isn't worth doing at all.

* Thereís that old saying: if a thing is not worth being well done, then itís not worth being done at all. Which itself is an inversion of an older saying that [[DefiedTrope defies this trope]] - "If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well".
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* Thereís that old saying: if a thing is not worth being well done, then itís not worth being done at all. Which itself is an inversion of an older saying that [[DefiedTrope defies this trope]] - -- "If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well".right."
2nd Jun '15 9:45:37 AM nombretomado
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* In ''{{Irredeemable}}'' the FatalFlaw behind the Plutonian's FaceHeelTurn was the criticism he received from the population after all his acts of heroism. It is implied that he has a pathological desire to have everyone love him,and simply couldn't tolerate any criticism whatsoever, no matter how justified.
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* In ''{{Irredeemable}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}'' the FatalFlaw behind the Plutonian's FaceHeelTurn was the criticism he received from the population after all his acts of heroism. It is implied that he has a pathological desire to have everyone love him,and simply couldn't tolerate any criticism whatsoever, no matter how justified.
15th Mar '15 2:03:18 PM Lyner
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* People who attempt to scare people into abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that, since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'',[[note]]whether by fault of the material or misapplication by the user,[[/note]] they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98% of the time. The "perfect" solution of abstinence is also BeggingTheQuestion, since the argument assumes everyone who ''intends'' to be abstinent at one time will ''continue'' to have sufficient determination to be so. Sadly, this fallacy causes some people to believe using condoms is a worthless effort and don't use them because they don't see the benefit.
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* People who attempt to scare people into abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that, since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'',[[note]]whether by fault of the material or misapplication by the user,[[/note]] they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98% 98%[[note]]under perfect conditions, 85% under normal use[[/note]] of the time. The "perfect" solution of abstinence is also BeggingTheQuestion, since the argument assumes everyone who ''intends'' to be abstinent at one time will ''continue'' to have sufficient determination to be so. Sadly, this fallacy causes some people to believe using condoms is a worthless effort and don't use them because they don't see the benefit.
8th Jun '14 10:12:45 PM poi99
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* The ultimate example is rejecting anything you like on the basis that it has been imperfectly proven; for example, rejecting the existence of China on the basis that you have never seen it[[note]]Or if you have seen it, rejecting the certainty that your own memories aren't lying to you, or if you are seeing it right now, rejecting the certainty that what you're seeing reflects some external reality[[/note]]. This inevitably results in a philosophical concept called UsefulNotes/{{solipsism}} since it is impossible to prove beyond all ''possible'' doubt anything barring your own mind.
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* The ultimate example is rejecting anything you feel like on the basis that it has been imperfectly proven; for example, rejecting the existence of China on the basis that you have never seen it[[note]]Or if you have seen it, rejecting the certainty that your own memories aren't lying to you, or if you are seeing it right now, rejecting the certainty that what you're seeing reflects some external reality[[/note]]. This inevitably results in a philosophical concept called UsefulNotes/{{solipsism}} since it is impossible to prove beyond all ''possible'' doubt anything barring your own mind.

* Several instances of TooAwesomeToUse are generated by this sort of thinking: ''Even though I'm out of Potions and I don't have a healing spell, I can't use my Elixir now! I may be low on Hit Points but I've still got most of my Mana.''
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* Several instances of TooAwesomeToUse are generated by this sort of thinking: ''Even though I'm out of Potions and I don't have a healing spell, I can't use my Elixir now! I may be low on Hit Points but I've still got most of my Mana.'' '' * From Neil Gaiman's ''ComicBook/TheSandman'': -->"They are using reason as a tool. Reason. [[ScienceIsBad It is no more reliable a tool than instinct, myth, or dream. But it has the potential to be far more dangerous, for them.]]"
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