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18th Jun '16 6:40:09 PM ChaoticNovelist
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The dark, logical corollary to TheGoldenRule.



Welcome to a special kind of morality where otherwise evil actions are considered okay because [[AssholeVictim the victims deserved it]]. Like all tropes, this can played with any number of ways. It can be [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop played straight]], [[WhatTheHellHero defied]], [[SympatheticCriminal deconstructed]], or [[BlackAndGrayMorality left disquietingly gray]] depending on the author. This one's very common with {{Revenge}} stories in general, since revenge at its core is a viciously [[ItsPersonal personal]] case of Paying Evil Unto Evil, and when one is [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds broken to the core]] by the suffering brought by the evil, even a desperate RevengeByProxy becomes justifiable.

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Welcome to a special kind of morality where otherwise evil actions are considered okay because [[AssholeVictim the victims deserved it]]. Like all tropes, this can played with any number of ways. It can be [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop played straight]], [[WhatTheHellHero defied]], [[SympatheticCriminal deconstructed]], or [[BlackAndGrayMorality left disquietingly gray]] depending on the author. This one's very common with {{Revenge}} stories in general, since revenge at its core is a viciously [[ItsPersonal personal]] case of Paying Evil Unto Evil, and when one is [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds broken to the core]] by the suffering brought by the evil, even a desperate RevengeByProxy becomes justifiable. \n In short, it is the dark, logical corollary to TheGoldenRule.
7th Jun '16 1:56:17 PM tsstevens
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* Leliana of the ''Franchise/DragonAge'' series subscribes hard to this. Torture and rape leads to her executing the guard captain responsible, and her personal quest involves hunting down the woman who betrayed her and even if let go Leliana does not let this drop. She tries to kill The Warden if The Urn of Sacred Ashes is defiled, and that's just the first game. [[VideoGame/DragonAge2 The second]] she can be seen eliminating threats to Thedas and her reputation for this trope has her both revered and feared. [[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition The third]] can begin with her threatening assassination of The Inquisitor's family and murdering the son of a maddened with grief magister, and it gets better when she tries to go behind Josephine's back and plot murder on who threaten her, or should The Duchess die take up the offer of her remains performing [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments community service]] by warning off other threats.
6th Jun '16 10:43:48 PM azul120
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* Togusa in ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex: 2nd Gig'' loses it and attempts to kill a criminal who has just murdered his girlfriend. After the subsequent trial, which the convict [[WoundedGazelleGambit testified against Togusa for using firearms offduty]], Section 9 has the convict killed.
30th May '16 3:10:13 PM skidoo23
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* In ''Series/DoctorWho'', the Doctor has been implied to have done this on occasion (to the point where he disowned an entire incarnation who be believed did it). In "Face the Raven", faced with [[spoiler: the imminent death of his companion]], the Doctor threatens to do this to the immortal Ashildr and her peers using a mixture of enemy races and paramilitary forces. Only a plea from his soon-to-be-lost best friend stops him carrying through with it.
--> '''The Doctor:''' I'll bring UNIT, I'll bring the Zygons, give me a minute, I'll bring the Daleks and the Cybermen. You will save [[spoiler: Clara]], and you will do it now or I will rain hell on you for the rest of time.
28th May '16 9:45:04 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Jarod on ''ThePretender'' is fond of this, often putting villians in the same situation they did to someone else.

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* Jarod on ''ThePretender'' ''Series/ThePretender'' is fond of this, often putting villians in the same situation they did to someone else.
24th May '16 10:32:28 AM ZarbiNerada
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** And Aegisthus had killed not just Agamemnon but (years earlier) the latter's father Atreus.

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** And Aegisthus had killed not just Agamemnon but (years earlier) the latter's father Atreus. And Atreus himself had it coming, seeing how he'd pretended to pardon his brother Thyestes only to trick him into eating his [Thyestes'] own sons. Aigisthus was ''raised'' to avenge the half-brothers he never knew.
* In ''Hecuba'', the title character learns that Polymestor, to whom she and Priam had entrusted the care and safety of their youngest son, killed him for the gold when Troy fell. She lures Polymestor and his two sons into a trap, kills them, and then pokes out his eyes so that his sons' corpses are the last thing he sees.
23rd May '16 10:30:02 AM darknightdetective
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** Shortly prior to the end of his career as Robin, Jason encounters a rapist who had [[spoiler:driven one of his victims to commit suicide. The rapist then fell to his death, it is heavily implied that Jason pushed him]].
** The Storyline Red Hood: The Lost Days has numerous examples of this trope. At various points in the book Jason [[spoiler:poisons a trafficker, leaves a bomb maker tied to a large time bomb, douses the Joker in gasoline, and brutally murders each criminal he hires to train him]].
20th May '16 9:32:39 PM emillang1000
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* ''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo'' operates on this trope. While the original novel presents the count's acts as heroics of a MagnificentBastard, as some [[GankutsuouTheCountOfMonteCristo adaptations]] play them straight, pointing out that the innocent lives destroyed as collateral make the Count no less evil than the ex-friends he seeks revenge on.
18th May '16 3:29:08 AM Phred
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* ''WesternAnimation/MrPicklesGoodBoy'' features an evil dog that brutally murders or captures and tortures bad people.
13th May '16 5:04:02 PM Shadowgazer
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* This is the justification of Comicbook/ThePunisher, who brutally guns down criminals. How this is received depends on where in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism the comic he's appearing in is.

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* This is the justification of Comicbook/ThePunisher, who brutally guns down criminals. How this is received depends on where in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism the comic he's appearing in is. But one thing's for sure. If he has you on his list, he will kick you when you are down. And shoot you. And throw a grenade on you. And push you in front of a moving subway train. And pull out all your teeth while you're tied to a dentist's chair. And run you over with his car, then back up and run you over again. And hook your balls up to a car battery, turn the ignition key until you've shit all over yourself, and then turn the key some more. If you're on his list, you deserve everything he does to you. So don't get on Frank's list.



* Marv of ''ComicBook/SinCity'' inflicts on various criminals horrible torture which would maybe even make [[Series/TwentyFour Jack Bauer]] sick. He's kind of like Series/{{Dexter}} in being a pretty messed up person himself.

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* Marv of ''ComicBook/SinCity'' inflicts on various criminals horrible torture which would maybe even make [[Series/TwentyFour Jack Bauer]] sick. He's kind of like Series/{{Dexter}} in being a pretty messed up person himself. But when the SociopathicHero brutally tortures and dismembers the bad guys, few readers will shed a tear. {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in the [[Film/SinCity film]], when Marv remarks "I love hitmen. No matter what you do to them, you don't feel bad."



** Subverted (albeit in a rather {{Narm}}y way) in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', where Anakin's massacre of a Sand People settlement (women and children included) is considered [[DesignatedEvil a very bad thing]]. The Sand People are presented in the film series as AlwaysChaoticEvil raiders, but the viewers are expected to understand that Anakin's UnstoppableRage is the start of his path to the Dark Side. In the expanded universe, the Sand People are portrayed more sympathetically, supporting Anakin's grief over his actions.
** Subverted more clearly in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''... Tusken Raiders are portrayed as AlwaysChaoticEvil "as a group" but Nute Gunray and his minions are portrayed as evil "as individuals." However, [[spoiler:Anakin's eagerness to kill them is portrayed as alarming nonetheless.]] There still does seem to be '''some''' trace of this trope present; [[spoiler:Anakin's killing of Nute Gunray and his minions]] is shown on screen, whereas [[spoiler:Anakin's massacre of the innocent children in the Jedi temple]] is not. Of course, that might have just been the limits of a PG-13 rating.

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** Subverted In fact, this is most of Anakin's Dark actions in the prequels. In ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', he kills the Sand People who kidnapped, beat, tortured, and quite probably raped his mother. What keeps it from being justified is that he killed all of them, women and children included. He later takes down Dooku at the start of ''Revenge of the Sith'', which would have been completely justified, except Dooku was almost-literally [[JustForPun unarmed.]] To be fair, in both cases Anakin is remorseful (he has a full-blown MyGodWhatHaveIDone in the former scenario, and while accepting of it, isn't very happy with his choice in the latter scenario.
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(albeit in a rather {{Narm}}y way) in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', where Anakin's massacre of a Sand People settlement (women and children included) is considered [[DesignatedEvil a very bad thing]]. The Sand People are presented in the film series as AlwaysChaoticEvil raiders, but the viewers are expected to understand that Anakin's UnstoppableRage is the start of his path to the Dark Side. In the expanded universe, the Sand People are portrayed more sympathetically, supporting Anakin's grief over his actions.
** Subverted more clearly in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''... Tusken Raiders are portrayed as AlwaysChaoticEvil "as a group" but Nute Gunray and his minions are portrayed as evil "as individuals." However, [[spoiler:Anakin's eagerness to kill them is portrayed as alarming nonetheless.]] There still does seem to be '''some''' trace of this trope present; [[spoiler:Anakin's killing of Nute Gunray and his minions]] is shown on screen, whereas [[spoiler:Anakin's massacre of the innocent children in the Jedi temple]] is not. Of course, that might have just been the limits of a PG-13 rating.
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