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* Alucard in ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'' (the TV version) fits... maybe until near the end. Not so much in the manga and OVA where he's a little less discriminating (as some hapless SWAT soldiers find out).
* Very occasionally done in ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf''. It's full of {{Jerkass}} characters, so there's rarely a shortage of [[AssholeVictim asshole victims]], but very few actually practice this MO, mind you. Ranma is the straightest example and once, he mastered the [[CounterAttack Hiryuu Shoten-Ha]] to use against [[EvilOldFolks Happousai]]. Mousse, Kuno, Principal Kuno, and Gosunkugi all charge into the battle to beat on Ranma; nice guy that he is, Ranma hesitates to use his new attack out of concern they'll all be caught in the massive blast. ''Then'' he remembers how the same four characters had earlier viciously ganged up on him when he was too weak to defend himself. He promptly launches the attack.
* Zig-zagged in ''Manga/YuGiOh'', especially in the early installments, back when the series was still intended to be a horror story and Yami Yugi was a dark avenger, taking on a variety of bullies and crooks on the behalf of Yugi and his friends, frequently with [[DisproportionateRetribution Penalty Games]]. It's ambiguous whether any of them died from the treatment, but more than one would be hospitalised. The adults are usually either too powerless to help, and the police don't seem to exist. This character habit is later toned down when the move towards tournament arcs takes precedence, and the character needed to evolve from an anti-hero to a generally mysterious hero. Bakura later points out in Millennium World that the Millennium Items themselves are a compass between good and evil, and can corrupt the people trying to use them to do 'justice' of any sort. The one exception to this treatment is Kaiba -- Yami's second penalty game is designed to give him a spiritual rehabilitation, after some effort.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV'' plays with and discusses this trope. Several AntiHero protagonists follow this trope, and while the main character is morally opposed, he has a SuperPoweredEvilSide that plays this straight. Occasionally when there's a particularly obvious example, the protagonists will usually have an inner monologue or talk with each other about what happened and how they think the situation should have been handled.
* [[HotBlooded Kazuma]] in ''Anime/{{Scryed}}'' at times, particularly after [[spoiler:Kimishima is killed]] and he decides to go wreck the nearest unit with a [=HOLY=] emblem on it.
* [[BloodKnight Franky]]/[[GoodIsNotNice Zoro]] from ''Manga/OnePiece'' sometimes. Also [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Whitebeard]].
* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', [[WellIntentionedExtremist Lelouch]] has moments of this. The first and foremost example of this is how he turns a terrorist group into rebels with good publicity by convincing them to attack anyone who abuses power, as opposed to simply attacking the government and letting Britannian casualties fall where they would (as they had in the past).
** Lelouch has an infamous line in the second series: "I commit evil to fight the greater evil!". However, he ''is'' willing to commit {{hypocri|te}}sy on this regard if it will serve the interest of his goal.
** Charles zi Britannia doing this to [[spoiler:V. V. by taking his code and leaving him to die may look like a case of KickTheSonOfABitch, but it reveals itself as this trope upon the revelation that V. V. was the one who killed Marianne, and Charles was finally getting back at him for that and all of his other lies]].
%%* ''Wild 7''
* Thoroughly deconstructed in ''Anime/{{Monster}}'', although it is played straight in the first couple of episodes when Tenma, in a fit of rage, declares that his superiors should die. [[IWishedYouWereDead They indeed do so]], whereupon the trope is deconstructed since it is the audience, not the characters, who wholeheartedly [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing approve]] of the act.

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* Alucard in ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'' (the TV version) fits... maybe until near the end. Not so much in the manga and OVA where he's ''Manga/AkameGaKill'' follows a little less discriminating (as some hapless SWAT soldiers find out).
* Very occasionally done in ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf''. It's full
group of {{Jerkass}} characters, so there's rarely a shortage of [[AssholeVictim asshole victims]], but very few actually practice this MO, mind you. Ranma is the straightest example and once, he mastered the [[CounterAttack Hiryuu Shoten-Ha]] to use against [[EvilOldFolks Happousai]]. Mousse, Kuno, Principal Kuno, and Gosunkugi all charge into the battle to beat on Ranma; nice guy that he is, Ranma hesitates to use his new attack out of concern they'll all be caught in the massive blast. ''Then'' he remembers how the same four characters had earlier viciously ganged up on him when he was too weak to defend himself. He promptly launches the attack.
* Zig-zagged in ''Manga/YuGiOh'', especially in the early installments, back when the series was still intended
assassins who only kill people who have proven to be a horror story guilty of crimes not punished by the corrupt government they live under, such as human trafficking, murder, torture, and Yami Yugi was a dark avenger, taking on a variety of bullies human experimentation. They do not sugar coat what they do. They are murderers, killers, and crooks on sinners, and in no way, shape, or form are they the behalf of Yugi good guys, even if what they do is good. They are also perfectly willing to kill anyone they have to, including guards, servants, and his friends, frequently with [[DisproportionateRetribution Penalty Games]]. It's ambiguous whether any relatives of them died from the treatment, but more than one would be hospitalised. The adults people they kill, even if they are usually either too powerless loosely connected to help, the crime. They also ''only'' kill those they have been paid to, and the police don't seem to exist. This character habit is later toned down when the move towards tournament arcs takes precedence, and the character needed to evolve from an anti-hero to a generally mysterious hero. Bakura later points out in Millennium World that the Millennium Items many of their clients work themselves are a compass between good and evil, and can corrupt to death raising the people trying to use them to do 'justice' of any sort. The one exception to this treatment is Kaiba -- Yami's second penalty game is designed to give him a spiritual rehabilitation, after some effort.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV'' plays with and discusses this trope. Several AntiHero protagonists follow this trope, and while the main character is morally opposed, he has a SuperPoweredEvilSide that plays this straight. Occasionally when there's a particularly obvious example, the protagonists will usually have an inner monologue or talk with each other about what happened and how they think the situation should have been handled.
* [[HotBlooded Kazuma]] in ''Anime/{{Scryed}}'' at times, particularly after [[spoiler:Kimishima is killed]] and he decides to go wreck the nearest unit with a [=HOLY=] emblem on it.
* [[BloodKnight Franky]]/[[GoodIsNotNice Zoro]] from ''Manga/OnePiece'' sometimes. Also [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Whitebeard]].
* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', [[WellIntentionedExtremist Lelouch]] has moments of this. The first and foremost example of this is how he turns a terrorist group into rebels with good publicity by convincing them to attack anyone who abuses power, as opposed to simply attacking the government and letting Britannian casualties fall where they would (as they had in the past).
** Lelouch has an infamous line in the second series: "I commit evil to fight the greater evil!". However, he ''is'' willing to commit {{hypocri|te}}sy on this regard if it will serve the interest of his goal.
** Charles zi Britannia doing this to [[spoiler:V. V. by taking his code and leaving him to die may look like a case of KickTheSonOfABitch, but it reveals itself as this trope upon the revelation that V. V. was the one who killed Marianne, and Charles was finally getting back at him for that and all of his other lies]].
%%* ''Wild 7''
* Thoroughly deconstructed in ''Anime/{{Monster}}'', although it is played straight in the first couple of episodes when Tenma, in a fit of rage, declares that his superiors should die. [[IWishedYouWereDead They indeed do so]], whereupon the trope is deconstructed since it is the audience, not the characters, who wholeheartedly [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing approve]] of the act.
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* Eren in ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', when he kills the first two traffickers that kidnapped Mikasa. It establishes that Eren was never completely... normal, but the victims really had it coming to them.
-->''I merely put down some rabid dogs. Sometimes they just happen to look like people.''
* In ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'', two separate gangs try to take over the same train independently, and neither side is worried about innocent casualties (the black suits were actually planning to kill everyone whether their demands are met or not). [[spoiler:[[UnscrupulousHero Claire Stanfield]]]] proceeds to kill them all in some of the most gruesome ways possible -- but he remains one of the most popular characters in the series.
* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'':
** Mayuri, while [[SociopathicHero barely qualifying as a hero]], has a couple of moments. He kills Szayel by using him as a test subject for a drug that makes Szayel feel like he's experiencing a slow, agonizing death over centuries. Despite Szayel's torture of Renji and Uryuu and his forcible impregnation of Nemu, Mayuri feels Szayel's cardinal sin is to seek, and claim to have found, perfection -- for which he believes a torturous death via an experimental drug is an acceptable way to die.
** Giselle Gewelle is an abusive, sadistic troll who gleefully transforms people into her zombie slaves. Mayuri, using the blood of his Arrancar zombies, actually reprograms Giselle's zombies into ''his'' zombies, which then turn on her and impale her with extreme prejudice.
* ''Manga/{{Bokurano}}'' has [[spoiler:Chizuru]] slaughtering her rapists with [[HumongousMecha Zearth's]] lasers. While they had it coming, she goes straight into KickTheDog territory when she notices that one of her attackers is carrying his young daughter and [[WouldHurtAChild vaporizes him anyway, presumably killing the kid as well]].
* After he [[spoiler:stops killing clones en masse in a "level up" experiment]], Accelerator from ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' pretty much decides on this when dealing with anyone he sees harming innocent people, usually ending in a swift or painful death, and he holds little remorse for it.
* As Ogami Rei's motto states in ''Manga/CodeBreaker'', "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, evil for evil".
* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', [[WellIntentionedExtremist Lelouch]] has moments of this. The first and foremost example of this is how he turns a terrorist group into rebels with good publicity by convincing them to attack anyone who abuses power, as opposed to simply attacking the government and letting Britannian casualties fall where they would (as they had in the past).
** Lelouch has an infamous line in the second series: "I commit evil to fight the greater evil!". However, he ''is'' willing to commit {{hypocri|te}}sy on this regard if it will serve the interest of his goal.
** Charles zi Britannia doing this to [[spoiler:V. V. by taking his code and leaving him to die may look like a case of KickTheSonOfABitch, but it reveals itself as this trope upon the revelation that V. V. was the one who killed Marianne, and Charles was finally getting back at him for that and all of his other lies]].



* ''Manga/DragonBall'':
** Goku was merciless towards his enemies when he was a child. If you harmed his friends, someone he liked, or just got him mad enough, he paid it back with violent retribution, not really caring if he ended up killing or crippling the person. If you, god-forbid, actually killed someone he cared about, then your life was practically forfeit. He hunted down and killed Piccolo and all his children after they murdered his best friend, Krillin, and father figure, Master Roshi. Although Goku is much more chill as an adult, some of this attitude still remains. This can be seen with his fight against Frieza. Frieza's entire fighting style is [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing people to death]] by physically overwhelming them with his power and [[DespairEventHorizon pushing them to utter despair]] by making them die knowing that they never stood a chance against him. After Goku becomes a Super Saiyan, he spends almost the entire fight toying with and brutalizing Frieza just as he had done to his victims. The ''only'' reason why Goku tries to spare Frieza is because he sees letting Frieza [[CruelMercy live with his pride shattered is the cruelest punishment possible]].
** His son, Gohan, wholly embraces this mindset after becoming a Super Saiyan 2. He didn't just want to beat Cell, [[ColdBloodedTorture he wanted to torture the android to death and have him die in despair]] for the crimes he committed. [[spoiler:[[NiceJobBreakingItHero It backfires]] when Cell [[RageQuit decides to blow himself and the Earth up]], which not only makes Goku [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifice himself to relocate Cell]], it lets Cell [[CameBackStrong come back strong enough to challenge Gohan]] and [[HeroKiller kill Trunks on the side]]. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone And Gohan very much realizes it's his fault]]]].
** After becoming mostly good, Piccolo takes up this mantle. He will kill his enemies without hesitation and will sometimes do it in a most brutal manner, such as cutting Androids 20's hand off and slicing Babidi in half.
* ''Manga/FullMetalAlchemist'':
** Scar's mission upon gaining his alchemic right arm from his brother is to use alchemy itself ([[LoopholeAbuse stopping at the second out of the three stages, Destroy, so as to not go against his religious beliefs]]) to kill all the State Alchemists in vengeance for the mass genocide they committed against the Ishvalan people.
** This is the comeuppance of Envy. [[spoiler:He's slowly and methodically tortured by Mustang, and despite him completely deserving the pain he goes through, it's still unnerving to see Mustang like this, and he's ultimately subject to the WhatTheHellHero treatment from all his nearby allies that shames him out of taking the final blow.]]



* ''Anime/HellGirl'' runs on this trope. For the most part, the people getting sent to Hell are AssholeVictims and are sent by someone they tormented.
* Alucard in ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'' (the TV version) fits... maybe until near the end. Not so much in the manga and OVA where he's a little less discriminating (as some hapless SWAT soldiers find out).
* Happens occasionally in some hentai plots.
** Sometimes it's done TO the rapist. Other times it's done BY the rapist:
** In Anette XXX, two girls harassed and bullied their little brothers for all their lives. The two guys conspire to rape each other's sister.
* Invoked by Yuu from ''Manga/{{Holyland}}'' before he [[spoiler:fights Taka in Masaki's stead]]. "All I know is that I will answer malice... with violence."



* Thoroughly deconstructed in ''Anime/{{Monster}}'', although it is played straight in the first couple of episodes when Tenma, in a fit of rage, declares that his superiors should die. [[IWishedYouWereDead They indeed do so]], whereupon the trope is deconstructed since it is the audience, not the characters, who wholeheartedly [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing approve]] of the act.
* In ''LightNovel/{{Overlord}}'', Ainz, after {{No Sell}}ing Clementine's attacks, [[spoiler:grabs her and slowly bearhugs her to death as payback for her killing of the Swords of Darkness, especially [[CruelAndUnusualDeath torturing Ninya to death]]]]. Given her nature and actions, it's rather cathartic to see her helpessly struggle against her impending doom against an enemy she can't possibly defeat ([[DeathByIrony something she herself enjoyed forcing on others]]).
* In ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'', Ash and friends are normally perfectly content to allow the BigBad to be quietly arrested, but in dealing with Grings Kodai, the BigBad of ''Anime/PokemonZoroarkMasterOfIllusions'', they, and even the cops, arranged for him to watch as his EvilGloating is broadcast live on his own TV station, pretty much forcing him to watch his public humiliation. While harsh for them, Kodai was an absolute [[TheSociopath sociopath]] who [[spoiler:committed the anime's first true murder of a Pokémon]] and ''electrocuted a '''baby''''' right in front of its mother with no remorse.
* Very occasionally done in ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf''. It's full of {{Jerkass}} characters, so there's rarely a shortage of [[AssholeVictim asshole victims]], but very few actually practice this MO, mind you. Ranma is the straightest example and once, he mastered the [[CounterAttack Hiryuu Shoten-Ha]] to use against [[EvilOldFolks Happousai]]. Mousse, Kuno, Principal Kuno, and Gosunkugi all charge into the battle to beat on Ranma; nice guy that he is, Ranma hesitates to use his new attack out of concern they'll all be caught in the massive blast. ''Then'' he remembers how the same four characters had earlier viciously ganged up on him when he was too weak to defend himself. He promptly launches the attack.



* In ''AudioPlay/SaintBeast'', purging angels is about the worst thing you can do to them, and [[PhysicalGod Zeus]] does it to make heaven pure.
* [[HotBlooded Kazuma]] in ''Anime/{{Scryed}}'' at times, particularly after [[spoiler:Kimishima is killed]] and he decides to go wreck the nearest unit with a [=HOLY=] emblem on it.
* In the 24th episode of ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'', after Kirito gets his HeroicSecondWind, he proceeds to cut Oberon apart very painfully, which normally, would be an evil thing to do, but since [[AssholeVictim Oberon]] has just attempted to rape Asuna after inflicting pain onto Kirito by pinning him down with gravity based magic, and impaling him with his own sword, it's well deserved since Oberon has done some pretty horrible things.
* Lunatic from ''Anime/TigerAndBunny'' is a big subscriber to this philosophy, and will even kill criminals who have already been arrested and/or imprisoned if he decides they're sufficiently heinous. [[spoiler:On the other hand, his sense of honor is strong enough that he goes out of his way to protect Kotetsu when the latter is falsely accused of murder.]]
* ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'': Kaneki develops this mentality after enduring ten days of ColdBloodedTorture at the hands of the psychotic Ghoul Yamori and escaping, starting when he beats Yamori into submission, eats his kagune, and leaves him to the mercy of the CCG.
-->'''Kaneki''': Remember, you're the one that tried to eat me first. So, you'll get what's coming to you... [[EatTheCamera when I eat you instead]].
* In ''Manga/{{Toriko}}'', Zebra of the Four Emperors was imprisoned for life for single-handedly hunting 26 different species to extinction. However, we later find out that they all messed up the ecosystems they were in, and quite possibly they were vicious, mindless living weapons sent there by an enemy. He [[SociopathicHero doesn't exactly do this intentionally]], though.



* [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Ash]] and friends are normally perfectly content to allow the BigBad to be quietly arrested, but in dealing with Grings Kodai, the BigBad of ''Anime/PokemonZoroarkMasterOfIllusions'', they, and even the cops, arranged for him to watch as his EvilGloating is broadcast live on his own TV station, pretty much forcing him to watch his public humiliation. While harsh for them, Kodai was an absolute [[TheSociopath sociopath]] who [[spoiler:committed the anime's first true murder of a Pokémon]] and ''electrocuted a '''baby''''' right in front of its mother with no remorse.
* Invoked by Yuu from ''Manga/{{Holyland}}'' before he [[spoiler:fights Taka in Masaki's stead]]. "All I know is that I will answer malice... with violence."
* After he [[spoiler:stops killing clones en masse in a "level up" experiment]], Accelerator from ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' pretty much decides on this when dealing with anyone he sees harming innocent people, usually ending in a swift or painful death, and he holds little remorse for it.
* As [[Manga/CodeBreaker Ogami Rei's]] motto states, "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, evil for evil".
* In Manga/{{Toriko}}, Zebra of the Four Emperors was imprisoned for life for single-handedly hunting 26 different species to extinction. However, we later find out that they all messed up the ecosystems they were in, and quite possibly they were vicious, mindless living weapons sent there by an enemy. He [[SociopathicHero doesn't exactly do this intentionally]], though.
* Happens occasionally in some hentai plots.
** Sometimes it's done TO the rapist. Other times it's done BY the rapist:
** In Anette XXX, two girls harassed and bullied their little brothers for all their lives. The two guys conspire to rape each other's sister.
* In ''AudioPlay/SaintBeast'', purging angels is about the worst thing you can do to them, and [[PhysicalGod Zeus]] does it to make heaven pure.
* Manga/FullMetalAlchemist:
** Scar's mission upon gaining his alchemic right arm from his brother is to use alchemy itself ([[LoopholeAbuse stopping at the second out of the three stages, Destroy, so as to not go against his religious beliefs]]) to kill all the State Alchemists in vengeance for the mass genocide they committed against the Ishvalan people.
** This is the comeuppance of Envy. [[spoiler:He's slowly and methodically tortured by Mustang, and despite him completely deserving the pain he goes through, it's still unnerving to see Mustang like this, and he's ultimately subject to the WhatTheHellHero treatment from all his nearby allies that shames him out of taking the final blow.]]
* In ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'', two separate gangs try to take over the same train independently, and neither side is worried about innocent casualties (the black suits were actually planning to kill everyone whether their demands are met or not). [[spoiler:[[UnscrupulousHero Claire Stanfield]]]] proceeds to kill them all in some of the most gruesome ways possible -- but he remains one of the most popular characters in the series.
* Lunatic from ''Anime/TigerAndBunny'' is a big subscriber to this philosophy, and will even kill criminals who have already been arrested and/or imprisoned if he decides they're sufficiently heinous. [[spoiler:On the other hand, his sense of honor is strong enough that he goes out of his way to protect Kotetsu when the latter is falsely accused of murder.]]
* ''Anime/HellGirl'' runs on this trope. For the most part, the people getting sent to Hell are AssholeVictims and are sent by someone they tormented.
* ''Manga/AkameGaKill'' follows a group of assassins who only kill people who have proven to be guilty of crimes not punished by the corrupt government they live under, such as human trafficking, murder, torture, and human experimentation. They do not sugar coat what they do. They are murderers, killers, and sinners, and in no way, shape, or form are they the good guys, even if what they do is good. They are also perfectly willing to kill anyone they have to, including guards, servants, and relatives of the people they kill, even if they are loosely connected to the crime. They also ''only'' kill those they have been paid to, and many of their clients work themselves to death raising the money.
* In the 24th episode of ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'', after Kirito gets his HeroicSecondWind, he proceeds to cut Oberon apart very painfully, which normally, would be an evil thing to do, but since [[AssholeVictim Oberon]] has just attempted to rape Asuna after inflicting pain onto Kirito by pinning him down with gravity based magic, and impaling him with his own sword, it's well deserved since Oberon has done some pretty horrible things.
* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'':
** Mayuri, while [[SociopathicHero barely qualifying as a hero]], has a couple of moments. He kills Szayel by using him as a test subject for a drug that makes Szayel feel like he's experiencing a slow, agonizing death over centuries. Despite Szayel's torture of Renji and Uryuu and his forcible impregnation of Nemu, Mayuri feels Szayel's cardinal sin is to seek, and claim to have found, perfection -- for which he believes a torturous death via an experimental drug is an acceptable way to die.
** Giselle Gewelle is an abusive, sadistic troll who gleefully transforms people into her zombie slaves. Mayuri, using the blood of his Arrancar zombies, actually reprograms Giselle's zombies into ''his'' zombies, which then turn on her and impale her with extreme prejudice.
* ''Manga/{{Bokurano}}'' has [[spoiler:Chizuru]] slaughtering her rapists with [[HumongousMecha Zearth's]] lasers. While they had it coming, she goes straight into KickTheDog territory when she notices that one of her attackers is carrying his young daughter and [[WouldHurtAChild vaporizes him anyway, presumably killing the kid as well]].
* Eren in ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', when he kills the first two traffickers that kidnapped Mikasa. It establishes that Eren was never completely... normal, but the victims really had it coming to them.
-->''I merely put down some rabid dogs. Sometimes they just happen to look like people.''
* In ''LightNovel/{{Overlord}}'', Ainz, after {{No Sell}}ing Clementine's attacks, [[spoiler:grabs her and slowly bearhugs her to death as payback for her killing of the Swords of Darkness, especially [[CruelAndUnusualDeath torturing Ninya to death]]]]. Given her nature and actions, it's rather cathartic to see her helpessly struggle against her impending doom against an enemy she can't possibly defeat ([[DeathByIrony something she herself enjoyed forcing on others]]).
* ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'': Kaneki develops this mentality after enduring ten days of ColdBloodedTorture at the hands of the psychotic Ghoul Yamori and escaping, starting when he beats Yamori into submission, eats his kagune, and leaves him to the mercy of the CCG.
-->'''Kaneki''': Remember, you're the one that tried to eat me first. So, you'll get what's coming to you... [[EatTheCamera when I eat you instead]].
* ''Manga/DragonBall''
** Goku was merciless towards his enemies when he was a child. If you harmed his friends, someone he liked, or just got him mad enough, he paid it back with violent retribution, not really caring if he ended up killing or crippling the person. If you, god-forbid, actually killed someone he cared about, then your life was practically forfeit. He hunted down and killed Piccolo and all his children after they murdered his best friend, Krillin, and father figure, Master Roshi. Although Goku is much more chill as an adult, some of this attitude still remains. This can be seen with his fight against Frieza. Frieza's entire fighting style is [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing people to death]] by physically overwhelming them with his power and [[DespairEventHorizon pushing them to utter despair]] by making them die knowing that they never stood a chance against him. After Goku becomes a Super Saiyan, he spends almost the entire fight toying with and brutalizing Frieza just as he had done to his victims. The ''only'' reason why Goku tries to spare Frieza is because he sees letting Frieza [[CruelMercy live with his pride shattered is the cruelest punishment possible]].
** His son, Gohan, wholly embraces this mindset after becoming a Super Saiyan 2. He didn't just want to beat Cell, [[ColdBloodedTorture he wanted to torture the android to death and have him die in despair]] for the crimes he committed. [[spoiler:[[NiceJobBreakingItHero It backfires]] when Cell [[RageQuit decides to blow himself and the Earth up]], which not only makes Goku [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifice himself to relocate Cell]], it lets Cell [[CameBackStrong come back strong enough to challenge Gohan]] and [[HeroKiller kill Trunks on the side]]. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone And Gohan very much realizes it's his fault]]]].
** After becoming mostly good, Piccolo takes up this mantle. He will kill his enemies without hesitation and will sometimes do it in a most brutal manner, such as cutting Androids 20's hand off and slicing Babidi in half.

to:

* [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Ash]] and friends are normally perfectly content to allow the BigBad to be quietly arrested, but Zig-zagged in dealing with Grings Kodai, the BigBad of ''Anime/PokemonZoroarkMasterOfIllusions'', they, and even the cops, arranged for him to watch as his EvilGloating is broadcast live on his own TV station, pretty much forcing him to watch his public humiliation. While harsh for them, Kodai was an absolute [[TheSociopath sociopath]] who [[spoiler:committed the anime's first true murder of a Pokémon]] and ''electrocuted a '''baby''''' right in front of its mother with no remorse.
* Invoked by Yuu from ''Manga/{{Holyland}}'' before he [[spoiler:fights Taka in Masaki's stead]]. "All I know is that I will answer malice... with violence."
* After he [[spoiler:stops killing clones en masse in a "level up" experiment]], Accelerator from ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' pretty much decides on this when dealing with anyone he sees harming innocent people, usually ending in a swift or painful death, and he holds little remorse for it.
* As [[Manga/CodeBreaker Ogami Rei's]] motto states, "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, evil for evil".
* In Manga/{{Toriko}}, Zebra of the Four Emperors was imprisoned for life for single-handedly hunting 26 different species to extinction. However, we later find out that they all messed up the ecosystems they were in, and quite possibly they were vicious, mindless living weapons sent there by an enemy. He [[SociopathicHero doesn't exactly do this intentionally]], though.
* Happens occasionally in some hentai plots.
** Sometimes it's done TO the rapist. Other times it's done BY the rapist:
** In Anette XXX, two girls harassed and bullied their little brothers for all their lives. The two guys conspire to rape each other's sister.
* In ''AudioPlay/SaintBeast'', purging angels is about the worst thing you can do to them, and [[PhysicalGod Zeus]] does it to make heaven pure.
* Manga/FullMetalAlchemist:
** Scar's mission upon gaining his alchemic right arm from his brother is to use alchemy itself ([[LoopholeAbuse stopping at the second out of the three stages, Destroy, so as to not go against his religious beliefs]]) to kill all the State Alchemists in vengeance for the mass genocide they committed against the Ishvalan people.
** This is the comeuppance of Envy. [[spoiler:He's slowly and methodically tortured by Mustang, and despite him completely deserving the pain he goes through, it's still unnerving to see Mustang like this, and he's ultimately subject to the WhatTheHellHero treatment from all his nearby allies that shames him out of taking the final blow.]]
* In ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'', two separate gangs try to take over the same train independently, and neither side is worried about innocent casualties (the black suits were actually planning to kill everyone whether their demands are met or not). [[spoiler:[[UnscrupulousHero Claire Stanfield]]]] proceeds to kill them all in some of the most gruesome ways possible -- but he remains one of the most popular characters in the series.
* Lunatic from ''Anime/TigerAndBunny'' is a big subscriber to this philosophy, and will even kill criminals who have already been arrested and/or imprisoned if he decides they're sufficiently heinous. [[spoiler:On the other hand, his sense of honor is strong enough that he goes out of his way to protect Kotetsu when the latter is falsely accused of murder.]]
* ''Anime/HellGirl'' runs on this trope. For the most part, the people getting sent to Hell are AssholeVictims and are sent by someone they tormented.
* ''Manga/AkameGaKill'' follows a group of assassins who only kill people who have proven to be guilty of crimes not punished by the corrupt government they live under, such as human trafficking, murder, torture, and human experimentation. They do not sugar coat what they do. They are murderers, killers, and sinners, and in no way, shape, or form are they the good guys, even if what they do is good. They are also perfectly willing to kill anyone they have to, including guards, servants, and relatives of the people they kill, even if they are loosely connected to the crime. They also ''only'' kill those they have been paid to, and many of their clients work themselves to death raising the money.
* In the 24th episode of ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'', after Kirito gets his HeroicSecondWind, he proceeds to cut Oberon apart very painfully, which normally, would be an evil thing to do, but since [[AssholeVictim Oberon]] has just attempted to rape Asuna after inflicting pain onto Kirito by pinning him down with gravity based magic, and impaling him with his own sword, it's well deserved since Oberon has done some pretty horrible things.
* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'':
** Mayuri, while [[SociopathicHero barely qualifying as a hero]], has a couple of moments. He kills Szayel by using him as a test subject for a drug that makes Szayel feel like he's experiencing a slow, agonizing death over centuries. Despite Szayel's torture of Renji and Uryuu and his forcible impregnation of Nemu, Mayuri feels Szayel's cardinal sin is to seek, and claim to have found, perfection -- for which he believes a torturous death via an experimental drug is an acceptable way to die.
** Giselle Gewelle is an abusive, sadistic troll who gleefully transforms people into her zombie slaves. Mayuri, using the blood of his Arrancar zombies, actually reprograms Giselle's zombies into ''his'' zombies, which then turn on her and impale her with extreme prejudice.
* ''Manga/{{Bokurano}}'' has [[spoiler:Chizuru]] slaughtering her rapists with [[HumongousMecha Zearth's]] lasers. While they had it coming, she goes straight into KickTheDog territory when she notices that one of her attackers is carrying his young daughter and [[WouldHurtAChild vaporizes him anyway, presumably killing the kid as well]].
* Eren in ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', when he kills the first two traffickers that kidnapped Mikasa. It establishes that Eren was never completely... normal, but the victims really had it coming to them.
-->''I merely put down some rabid dogs. Sometimes they just happen to look like people.''
* In ''LightNovel/{{Overlord}}'', Ainz, after {{No Sell}}ing Clementine's attacks, [[spoiler:grabs her and slowly bearhugs her to death as payback for her killing of the Swords of Darkness,
''Manga/YuGiOh'', especially [[CruelAndUnusualDeath torturing Ninya to death]]]]. Given her nature and actions, it's rather cathartic to see her helpessly struggle against her impending doom against an enemy she can't possibly defeat ([[DeathByIrony something she herself enjoyed forcing on others]]).
* ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'': Kaneki develops this mentality after enduring ten days of ColdBloodedTorture at
in the hands of the psychotic Ghoul Yamori and escaping, starting early installments, back when he beats Yamori into submission, eats his kagune, the series was still intended to be a horror story and leaves him to the mercy of the CCG.
-->'''Kaneki''': Remember, you're the one that tried to eat me first. So, you'll get what's coming to you... [[EatTheCamera when I eat you instead]].
* ''Manga/DragonBall''
** Goku was merciless towards his enemies when he
Yami Yugi was a child. If you harmed dark avenger, taking on a variety of bullies and crooks on the behalf of Yugi and his friends, someone he liked, or just got him mad enough, he paid it back frequently with violent retribution, not really caring if he ended up killing or crippling [[DisproportionateRetribution Penalty Games]]. It's ambiguous whether any of them died from the person. If you, god-forbid, actually killed someone he cared about, then your life was practically forfeit. He hunted treatment, but more than one would be hospitalised. The adults are usually either too powerless to help, and the police don't seem to exist. This character habit is later toned down when the move towards tournament arcs takes precedence, and killed Piccolo the character needed to evolve from an anti-hero to a generally mysterious hero. Bakura later points out in Millennium World that the Millennium Items themselves are a compass between good and all his children after they murdered his best friend, Krillin, evil, and father figure, Master Roshi. Although Goku is much more chill as an adult, some of this attitude still remains. This can be seen with his fight against Frieza. Frieza's entire fighting style is [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing corrupt the people trying to death]] by physically overwhelming them with his power and [[DespairEventHorizon pushing use them to utter despair]] by making them die knowing that they never stood do 'justice' of any sort. The one exception to this treatment is Kaiba -- Yami's second penalty game is designed to give him a chance against him. After Goku becomes a Super Saiyan, he spends almost the entire fight toying spiritual rehabilitation, after some effort.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV'' plays
with and brutalizing Frieza just as discusses this trope. Several AntiHero protagonists follow this trope, and while the main character is morally opposed, he had done to his victims. The ''only'' reason why Goku tries to spare Frieza is because he sees letting Frieza [[CruelMercy live has a SuperPoweredEvilSide that plays this straight. Occasionally when there's a particularly obvious example, the protagonists will usually have an inner monologue or talk with his pride shattered is each other about what happened and how they think the cruelest punishment possible]].
** His son, Gohan, wholly embraces this mindset after becoming a Super Saiyan 2. He didn't just want to beat Cell, [[ColdBloodedTorture he wanted to torture the android to death and
situation should have him die in despair]] for the crimes he committed. [[spoiler:[[NiceJobBreakingItHero It backfires]] when Cell [[RageQuit decides to blow himself and the Earth up]], which not only makes Goku [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifice himself to relocate Cell]], it lets Cell [[CameBackStrong come back strong enough to challenge Gohan]] and [[HeroKiller kill Trunks on the side]]. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone And Gohan very much realizes it's his fault]]]].
** After becoming mostly good, Piccolo takes up this mantle. He will kill his enemies without hesitation and will sometimes do it in a most brutal manner, such as cutting Androids 20's hand off and slicing Babidi in half.
been handled.
13th Aug '16 4:05:22 AM Morgenthaler
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*** This perspective spawned the RPG spinoff ''BlackCrusade''.

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*** This perspective spawned the RPG spinoff ''BlackCrusade''.''TabletopGame/BlackCrusade''.
7th Aug '16 5:52:30 PM Prometheus117
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** His son, Gohan, wholly embraces this mindset after becoming a Super Saiyan 2. He didn't just want to beat Cell, [[ColdBloodedTorture he wanted to torture the android to death and have him die in despair]] for the crimes he committed.
** After becoming mostly good, Piccolo takes up this mantle. He will kill his enemies without hesitation and will some times do it in a most brutal manner, such as cutting Androids 20's hand off and slicing Babidi in half.

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** His son, Gohan, wholly embraces this mindset after becoming a Super Saiyan 2. He didn't just want to beat Cell, [[ColdBloodedTorture he wanted to torture the android to death and have him die in despair]] for the crimes he committed.
committed. [[spoiler:[[NiceJobBreakingItHero It backfires]] when Cell [[RageQuit decides to blow himself and the Earth up]], which not only makes Goku [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifice himself to relocate Cell]], it lets Cell [[CameBackStrong come back strong enough to challenge Gohan]] and [[HeroKiller kill Trunks on the side]]. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone And Gohan very much realizes it's his fault]]]].
** After becoming mostly good, Piccolo takes up this mantle. He will kill his enemies without hesitation and will some times sometimes do it in a most brutal manner, such as cutting Androids 20's hand off and slicing Babidi in half.
31st Jul '16 11:41:37 PM Doryna
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'', killing bandits raises your Karma meter, which is fair enough. It also goes up when you kill drug dealers and pimps, which still makes sense. But killing 'prostitutes' also raises the Karma meter (not by much, [[DisposableSexWorker but damn]])! It's kinda funny that a character is revered as a great hero for killing masses of whores.
** [[SarcasmMode Jack the Ripper: Hero of the Wasteland!]]
** Of course, the Karma boost from killing prostitutes is offset by the Karma drop you get from killing the mobs of civilians who start attacking you because you're publicly gunning people down in the street.

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* The ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' series:
** Ruthlessly subverted in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}''. Attempt to kill [[ImAHumanitarian the enterprising businessman]] Iguana Bob, and the entire town - including the heavily armed Police Force, the local Mob and visiting caravan drivers - turn hostile and try to retaliate. Your karma meter is also penalized if you choose to spare Bob's life and instead blackmail him over his secret. The secret, I might add, that no one will believe, and over which they will try to kill ''you'' for acting directly!
**
In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'', killing bandits raises your Karma meter, which is fair enough. It also goes up when you kill drug dealers and pimps, which still makes sense. But killing 'prostitutes' also raises the Karma meter (not by much, [[DisposableSexWorker but damn]])! It's kinda funny that a character is revered as a great hero for killing masses of whores.
**
whores. [[SarcasmMode Jack the Ripper: Hero of the Wasteland!]]
** *** Of course, the Karma boost from killing prostitutes is offset by the Karma drop you get from killing the mobs of civilians who start attacking you because you're publicly gunning people down in the street.



** It's especially odd that you gain karma from killing Mr. Tenpenny for two reasons: One, that you can do it with no provocation and completely in cold blood and two, [[spoiler:near as one can tell, if you convince the residents to let the ghouls in, you find out that Tenpenny does not condone the morally reprehensible prejudices he allows, he's just oblivious to them, though this may apply less to Megaton]]. (Also, please note these "morally reprehensible prejudices" turn out in this specific case to be fully justified.)
** You can also slaughter the entire town of Paradise Falls, a town of slavers. Not only will you not be penalized, you'll actually ''gain karma'' for some of the people you kill. Possibly justified in that almost nobody in the setting likes slavers.
** This trope is also played 100% straight, in ''Fallout 3'' and ''New Vegas'', in the case of Raiders. The laundry list: Kidnapping, banditry, torturing people literally to death, desecrating corpses to the point they aren't always recognizable as human any more, and sexually assaulting the people they capture-just to name a few. Oh, and to even be considered for joining their ranks? You have to prove you're at least as bad as they are. No wonder waltzing in and methodically murdering every last resident of a Raider camp, then stealing everything that isn't bolted down, is never considered a bad thing.
** There are limits to what you can do to Raiders in Fallout 3 without accruing negative karma, though. Specifically, [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil enslaving them with the Mesmetron.]]
** Ruthlessly subverted in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}''. Attempt to kill [[ImAHumanitarian the enterprising businessman]] Iguana Bob, and the entire town - including the heavily armed Police Force, the local Mob and visiting caravan drivers - turn hostile and try to retaliate. Your karma meter is also penalised if you choose to spare Bob's life and instead blackmail him over his secret. The secret, I might add, that no one will believe, and over which they will try to kill ''you'' for acting directly!
** Should be noted that in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' you can also get a perk that gives you a bonus for killing ''good'' characters.
*** It's also one of the few games that punishes ''either'' side of the karma line. If you're evil, the Regulators come after you; if you're good, criminals start hiring the Talon Mercenaries to hunt you down.
** In ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'', Vulpes Inculta butchers the town of Nipton for being a WretchedHive filled with bastards willing to sell each other out after the citizens failed a SecretTestOfCharacter he put on.
*** In fact Vulpes is so much a believer of this trope, that if you tell him his acts are unforgiveable, he outright tells you to kill him if you truly think he's evil. (Which can be a [[BullyingADragon Bullying The Dragon]] moment for him if you started with the Mercenary Pack with the overpowered grenade launcher and armor for that point of the game.)

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** *** It's especially odd that you gain karma from killing Mr. Tenpenny for two reasons: One, that you can do it with no provocation and completely in cold blood and two, [[spoiler:near as one can tell, if you convince the residents to let the ghouls in, you find out that Tenpenny does not condone the morally reprehensible prejudices he allows, he's just oblivious to them, though this may apply less to Megaton]]. (Also, please note these "morally reprehensible prejudices" turn out in this specific case to be fully justified.)
** *** You can also slaughter the entire town of Paradise Falls, a town of slavers. Not only will you not be penalized, you'll actually ''gain karma'' for some of the people you kill. Possibly justified in that almost nobody in the setting likes slavers.
** *** This trope is also played 100% straight, in ''Fallout 3'' and 3'', ''New Vegas'', and ''Fallout 4'' in the case of Raiders. The laundry list: Kidnapping, banditry, torturing people literally to death, desecrating corpses to the point they aren't always recognizable as human any more, and sexually assaulting the people they capture-just to name a few. Oh, and to even be considered for joining their ranks? You have to prove you're at least as bad as they are. No wonder waltzing in and methodically murdering every last resident of a Raider camp, then stealing everything that isn't bolted down, is never considered a bad thing.
** *** There are limits to what you can do to Raiders in Fallout 3 without accruing negative karma, though. Specifically, [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil enslaving them with the Mesmetron.]]
** Ruthlessly subverted in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}''. Attempt to kill [[ImAHumanitarian the enterprising businessman]] Iguana Bob, and the entire town - including the heavily armed Police Force, the local Mob and visiting caravan drivers - turn hostile and try to retaliate. Your karma meter is also penalised if you choose to spare Bob's life and instead blackmail him over his secret. The secret, I might add, that no one will believe, and over which they will try to kill ''you'' for acting directly!
** Should
*** It should be noted that in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' you can also get a perk that gives you a bonus for killing ''good'' characters.
***
characters. It's also one of the few games that punishes ''either'' side of the karma line. If you're evil, the Regulators come after you; if you're good, criminals start hiring the Talon Mercenaries to hunt you down.
** In ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'', Vulpes Inculta butchers the town of Nipton for being a WretchedHive filled with bastards willing to sell each other out after the citizens failed a SecretTestOfCharacter he put on.
***
on. In fact Vulpes is so much a believer of this trope, that if you tell him his acts are unforgiveable, he outright tells you to kill him if you truly think he's evil. (Which can be a [[BullyingADragon Bullying The Dragon]] moment for him if you started with the Mercenary Pack with the overpowered grenade launcher and armor for that point of the game.)



** Downplayed in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout4}}'' due to the absence of KarmaMeter, but in ''Wasteland Workshop DLC'', you can use cages to capture the Gunners and Raiders and then shove a pet ''[[CurbStompBattle Deathclaw]]'' to let them duel each other.

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** Downplayed in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout4}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' due to the absence of KarmaMeter, but still present in various storylines and [=NPCs=]:
*** Pickman has a lovely art gallery in downtown Boston. An art gallery full of paintings done in blood, dismembered body parts, and corpses. It turns out Pickman is a serial killer; however, his target of choice are the murderous and bloodthirsty raiders, a faction known for laying waste to anything they come across. If you save Pickman from the raiders and let him go free, not only will he give you a knife as a thank you present, but raider corpses will turn up at random in the Commonwealth with his signature notes on them.
*** In
''Wasteland Workshop DLC'', you can use cages to capture the Gunners and Raiders and then shove a pet ''[[CurbStompBattle Deathclaw]]'' to let them duel each other. other.
27th Jul '16 12:36:03 PM Synch
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** Though portrayed sympathetically, the show does not dispute that Kira (and the [[LaResistance Bajoran Resistance]] in general) resorted to terrorism against the Cardassians during the occupation. Murder, bombings, and other acts of random violence were common, and they weren't choosy about their targets. Though Kira isn't proud of her violent past, neither does she apologize for it.
24th Jul '16 9:38:24 PM merotoker
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The dark, logical corollary to TheGoldenRule

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The dark, logical corollary to TheGoldenRule
TheGoldenRule.



Welcome to a special kind of morality where otherwise evil actions are considered okay because [[AssholeVictim the victims deserved it]]. Like all tropes, this can played with any number of ways. It can be [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop played straight]], [[WhatTheHellHero defied]], [[SympatheticCriminal deconstructed]], or [[BlackAndGrayMorality left disquietingly gray]] depending on the author. This one's very common with {{Revenge}} stories in general, since revenge at its core is a viciously [[ItsPersonal personal]] case of Paying Evil Unto Evil, and when one is [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds broken to the core]] by the suffering brought by the evil, even a desperate RevengeByProxy becomes justifiable.

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Welcome to a special kind of morality where otherwise evil actions are considered okay because [[AssholeVictim the victims deserved it]]. Like all tropes, this can played with any number of ways. It can be [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop played straight]], [[WhatTheHellHero defied]], [[SympatheticCriminal [[JustifiedCriminal deconstructed]], or [[BlackAndGrayMorality left disquietingly gray]] depending on the author. This one's very common with {{Revenge}} stories in general, since revenge at its core is a viciously [[ItsPersonal personal]] case of Paying Evil Unto Evil, and when one is [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds broken to the core]] by the suffering brought by the evil, even a desperate RevengeByProxy becomes justifiable.



** Charles zi Britannia doing this to [[spoiler:V. V. by taking his code and leaving him to die may look like a case of KickTheSonOfABitch, but it reveals itself as this trope upon the revelation that V. V. was the one who killed Marianne, and Charles was finally getting back at him for that and all of his other lies.]]

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** Charles zi Britannia doing this to [[spoiler:V. V. by taking his code and leaving him to die may look like a case of KickTheSonOfABitch, but it reveals itself as this trope upon the revelation that V. V. was the one who killed Marianne, and Charles was finally getting back at him for that and all of his other lies.]]lies]].



** So much NightmareFuel. The last 'normal' Akumetsu he does involves entombing alive an old guy whose sin was apparently not being corrupt or evil or twisted but ''really liking highways'', and building unnecessary ones with public monies. Not only that, the old guy doesn't even get the chance to go out in privacy, he has to deal with a camera and a smirking Akumetsu [[spoiler:who's just going to have his consciousness copied into a new body when he dies, and so isn't actually sacrificing much.]] Good thing the yakuza weighed in at this point.

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** So much NightmareFuel. The last 'normal' Akumetsu he does involves entombing alive an old guy whose sin was apparently not being corrupt or evil or twisted but ''really liking highways'', and building unnecessary ones with public monies. Not only that, the old guy doesn't even get the chance to go out in privacy, he has to deal with a camera and a smirking Akumetsu [[spoiler:who's just going to have his consciousness copied into a new body when he dies, and so isn't actually sacrificing much.]] much]]. Good thing the yakuza weighed in at this point.



* Invoked by Yuu from ''Manga/{{Holyland}}'' before he [[spoiler:fights Taka in Masaki's stead.]] "All I know is that I will answer malice... with violence."

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* Invoked by Yuu from ''Manga/{{Holyland}}'' before he [[spoiler:fights Taka in Masaki's stead.]] stead]]. "All I know is that I will answer malice... with violence."



* As [[Manga/CodeBreaker Ogami Rei's]] motto states, "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, [[PayEvilUntoEvil evil for evil]]".

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* As [[Manga/CodeBreaker Ogami Rei's]] motto states, "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, [[PayEvilUntoEvil evil for evil]]".evil".



*** The other two ringleaders (who happen to be the the fuel-doused one's son and daughter) were also disposed of in very graphic ways. The daughter was thrown against a shatterproof window face-first multiple times till ''the window frame broke'', making her do a swan dive many stories high. Her brother ended up getting drugged, dragged out into the wilderness, his stomach slit open, and hung from his own entrails on a tree branch. [[spoiler:Then Frank '''WOKE HIM UP''' before letting him bleed out]].

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*** The other two ringleaders (who happen to be the the fuel-doused one's son and daughter) were also disposed of in very graphic ways. The daughter was thrown against a shatterproof window face-first multiple times till ''the window frame broke'', making her do a swan dive many stories high. Her brother ended up getting drugged, dragged out into the wilderness, his stomach slit open, and hung from his own entrails on a tree branch. [[spoiler:Then Frank '''WOKE HIM UP''' before letting him bleed out]].out.]]



** Shortly prior to the end of his career as Robin, Jason encounters a rapist who had [[spoiler:driven one of his victims to commit suicide. The rapist then fell to his death, it is heavily implied that Jason pushed him]].
** The Storyline Red Hood: The Lost Days has numerous examples of this trope. At various points in the book Jason [[spoiler:poisons a trafficker, leaves a bomb maker tied to a large time bomb, douses the Joker in gasoline, and brutally murders each criminal he hires to train him]].
* Every time ComicBook/{{Magneto}} clashes with anti-mutant hate groups. Magneto is Jewish and survived the infamous Auschwitz concentration camp. The ComicBook/RedSkull is a Nazi. While working together during ''ActsOfVengeance'', Magneto decided to get some revenge on the Red Skull, beating the living crap out of him and locking him in an {{Oubliette}} with some jugs of water and his own thoughts.
* So according to {{Wikipedia}}, when [[TheFlash Bart Allen]] [[spoiler:ended his tenure as the Flash by dying]], Wally West [[spoiler:reappeared and took down Bart's nemesis]] Inertia. The punishment? [[spoiler:[[AndIMustScream Wally froze Inertia in time, but left his mind running. Then he stuck him on display in the Flash Museum, forcing Inertia to forever STARE at statues of Bart.]]]] How is that NOT cruel and unusual?

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** Shortly prior to the end of his career as Robin, Jason encounters a rapist who had [[spoiler:driven one of his victims to commit suicide. The rapist then fell to his death, death; it is heavily implied that Jason pushed him]].
** The Storyline Red ''Red Hood: The Lost Days Days'' has numerous examples of this trope. At various points in the book Jason [[spoiler:poisons a trafficker, leaves a bomb maker tied to a large time bomb, douses the Joker in gasoline, and brutally murders each criminal he hires to train him]].
* Every time ComicBook/{{Magneto}} SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} clashes with anti-mutant hate groups. Magneto is Jewish and survived the infamous Auschwitz concentration camp. The ComicBook/RedSkull is a Nazi. While working together during ''ActsOfVengeance'', Magneto decided to get some revenge on the Red Skull, beating the living crap out of him and locking leaving him in an {{Oubliette}} a SealedRoomInTheMiddleOfNowhere with some jugs of water and his own thoughts.
* So according to {{Wikipedia}}, Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, when [[TheFlash [[Franchise/TheFlash Bart Allen]] [[spoiler:ended his tenure as the Flash by dying]], Wally West [[spoiler:reappeared and took down Bart's nemesis]] Inertia. The punishment? [[spoiler:[[AndIMustScream Wally froze Inertia in time, but left his mind running. Then he stuck him on display in the Flash Museum, forcing Inertia to forever STARE at statues of Bart.]]]] How is that NOT cruel and unusual?



* In ''ComicBook/AmericanVampire'', you have [[spoiler: Pearl's revenge on the Hollywood Coven.]] Not to mention what [[spoiler: Hattie]] ends up doing to the vamps keeping her prisoner...
* What is considered ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}' MoralEventHorizon by many is when he formed ComicBook/XForce to do this. To provide context, following ''Decimation'', the Purifiers had started a war against what was left of the world's mutants, almost all of whom had taken refuge in the X-Mansion. They started by attacking the children, brutally murdering many and causing a lot of pain to many more, driving Dust to question her faith. When Hope was born and people realized that she was the mutant Messiah, The Purifiers decided to kill her, so Cyclops formed X-Force and sent them out to stop them, any means necessary. The team basically goes around killing madmen who pose great risk to the rest of the mutant population or humanity in general. Once Mutant births start happening again and people start developing mutant powers following the death of Purifier leader Bastion, Cyclops disbands them so they can go back to the way things were. Many still consider this a dick move of his, but in retrospect, had he not done this, many more would have died and the Purifiers may have in fact killed them all.
** InUniverse, however, many still dislike him doing this, but that dislike mostly boils down to him not telling anyone about it and recruiting relative innocents (along with someone [[DefusingTheTykeBomb being actively rehabilitated]]) for the wetwork.

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* In ''ComicBook/AmericanVampire'', you have [[spoiler: Pearl's revenge on the Hollywood Coven.]] Coven]]. Not to mention what [[spoiler: Hattie]] ends up doing to the vamps keeping her prisoner...
* What is considered ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}' MoralEventHorizon by many is when he formed ComicBook/XForce to do this. To provide context, following ''Decimation'', the Purifiers had started a war against what was left of the world's mutants, almost all of whom had taken refuge in the X-Mansion. They started by attacking the children, brutally murdering many and causing a lot of pain to many more, driving Dust to question her faith. When Hope ComicBook/{{Hope|Summers}} was born and people realized that she was the mutant Messiah, The Purifiers decided to kill her, so Cyclops formed X-Force and sent them out to stop them, any means necessary. The team basically goes around killing madmen who pose great risk to the rest of the mutant population or humanity in general. Once Mutant births start happening again and people start developing mutant powers following the death of Purifier leader Bastion, Cyclops disbands them so they can go back to the way things were. Many still consider this a dick move of his, but in retrospect, had he not done this, many more would have died and the Purifiers may have in fact killed them all.
**
all. InUniverse, however, many still dislike him doing this, but that dislike mostly boils down to him not telling anyone about it and recruiting relative innocents (along with someone [[DefusingTheTykeBomb being actively rehabilitated]]) for the wetwork.



* Deconstructed in ''ComicBook/GreenLantern'': Amon Sur fled from the ''ComicBook/SinestroCorpsWar'' and went to the recently deceased Green Lantern Ke'Haan's home world, killing his family. The Green Lantern Laira, who was in love with Ke'Haan, killed Amon when he smugly surrendered. She is promptly arrested, because, bastard or no, she murdered a surrendering enemy in cold blood, and the Lanterns realized now that with the rings authorized for lethal force, they could easily abuse their power like she did.
* Xadhoom in ''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures''. The Evronians pulled a WeComeInPeaceShootToKill on her homeworld and made her [[TheLastOfHisKind The Last Of Her Kind]] while she was away performing the experiment that made her a PhysicalGoddess. Since then she roamed the galaxy searching and killing any Evronian she could find in the most painful and humiliating way she could think of, not stopping even before Evronian spores (basically their ''fetuses''). Her rampage ended only when she had already exterminated untold billions of Evronians, destroyed both their homeworld and the worldship that had brought to safety the Emperor and the Senate, and only because she had discovered and saved the last remnants of her race (as some of her people had survived, she considered bringing the Evronians to the brink of extinction as settling their score). Then, just before her HeroicSacrifice, she [[MagnificentBastard settled events in motion to make the surviving Evronians believe she was still around and would finish the job if they looked funny at the surviving Xerbians]].
* The post-ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis version of ComicBook/{{Checkmate}} began on this note, with the supposedly heroic organization, which included a DarkerAndEdgier version of the JLA eye candy character Fire, committing cold-blooded killings against the terrorist organization KOBRA. This is in fact a major plot element of the first story arc, as traditionalist characters such as the original GreenLantern tended to call Checkmate up on this. Afterwards, however, this aspect of the organization faded into the background and later issues tended not to focus on the "wet work" aspect of Checkmate.

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* Deconstructed in ''ComicBook/GreenLantern'': ''Franchise/GreenLantern'': Amon Sur fled from the ''ComicBook/SinestroCorpsWar'' and went to the recently deceased Green Lantern Ke'Haan's home world, killing his family. The Green Lantern Laira, who was in love with Ke'Haan, killed Amon when he smugly surrendered. She is promptly arrested, because, bastard or no, she murdered a surrendering enemy in cold blood, and the Lanterns realized now that with the rings authorized for lethal force, they could easily abuse their power like she did.
* Xadhoom in ''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures''. The Evronians pulled a WeComeInPeaceShootToKill on her homeworld and made her [[TheLastOfHisKind [[LastOfHisKind The Last Of Her Kind]] while she was away performing the experiment that made her a PhysicalGoddess.{{Physical God}}dess. Since then she roamed the galaxy searching and killing any Evronian she could find in the most painful and humiliating way she could think of, not stopping even before Evronian spores (basically their ''fetuses''). Her rampage ended only when she had already exterminated untold billions of Evronians, destroyed both their homeworld and the worldship that had brought to safety the Emperor and the Senate, and only because she had discovered and saved the last remnants of her race (as some of her people had survived, she considered bringing the Evronians to the brink of extinction as settling their score). Then, just before her HeroicSacrifice, she [[MagnificentBastard settled events in motion to make the surviving Evronians believe she was still around and would finish the job if they looked funny at the surviving Xerbians]].
* The post-ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis version of ComicBook/{{Checkmate}} began on this note, with the supposedly heroic organization, which included a DarkerAndEdgier version of the JLA eye candy character Fire, committing cold-blooded killings against the terrorist organization KOBRA. This is in fact a major plot element of the first story arc, as traditionalist characters such as the original GreenLantern Franchise/GreenLantern tended to call Checkmate up on this. Afterwards, however, this aspect of the organization faded into the background and later issues tended not to focus on the "wet work" aspect of Checkmate.



** After her escape, Laura's cold detachment towards killing and torturing her enemies means she does this ''a lot'' when her friends and teammates are unwilling to do so themselves, which except when she's serving on X-Force (a whole ''team'' of X-Men like {{Wolverine}} who are willing to pay evil unto evil) is pretty much all the time. Not that she doesn't [[WhatTheHellHero get called out on her methods]].
* Mostly averted by Batman, [[TerrorHero surprisingly.]] His MO involves terrorizing criminals and pummeling them within an inch of their lives, but he refuses to kill, and he does indeed have a very strong belief in justice, and believes that you can't fix the system if you yourself are hindering it. Of course, this all depends on the writer. Sometimes he's a borderline outlaw who doesn't give a damn about the law, and will even beat the hell out of petty criminals. But other times he will having varying levels of tolerance towards certain criminals. Two contrasting examples would be ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand and [[YetAnotherChristmasCarol Noel.]]
* ''ComicBook/TheAuthority'' has no problem going after villains using similar tactics, as among other things, the Midnighter smashed a ship into they invaded another universe's Earth and destroyed that countries Italy to cripple an invasing force after an attempted invasion, and had a scene where Midnighter confronts the man who is implied to have raped Apollo and it's similarly implied Midnighter was going to use a jackhammer to return the favor.

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** After her escape, Laura's cold detachment towards killing and torturing her enemies means she does this ''a lot'' when her friends and teammates are unwilling to do so themselves, which except when she's serving on X-Force (a whole ''team'' of X-Men like {{Wolverine}} ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} who are willing to pay evil unto evil) is pretty much all the time. Not that she doesn't [[WhatTheHellHero get called out on her methods]].
* Mostly averted by Batman, [[TerrorHero surprisingly.]] His MO involves terrorizing criminals and pummeling them within an inch of their lives, but he refuses to kill, and he does indeed have a very strong belief in justice, and believes that you can't fix the system if you yourself are hindering it. Of course, this all depends on the writer. Sometimes he's a borderline outlaw who doesn't give a damn about the law, and will even beat the hell out of petty criminals. But other times he will having varying levels of tolerance towards certain criminals. Two contrasting examples would be ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand ''ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand'' and [[YetAnotherChristmasCarol ''[[YetAnotherChristmasCarol Noel.]]
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* ''ComicBook/TheAuthority'' has no problem going after villains using similar tactics, as among other things, the Midnighter smashed a ship into they invaded another universe's Earth and destroyed that countries Italy to cripple an invasing invading force after an attempted invasion, and had a scene where Midnighter confronts the man who is implied to have raped Apollo and it's similarly implied Midnighter was going to use a jackhammer to return the favor.



* At one point in the Tartaros Arc in ''Manga/FairyTail'', [[spoiler: Kyouka captures Erza and subjects her to ColdBloodedTorture in Chapters 365-366 and 368. Erza breaks out in Chapter 371 and at the start of Chapter 372, has a perfect opportunity to torture Kyouka back, but didn't.]] In a [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10791036/1/What-Chapter-372-of-Fairy-Tail-should-have-been fanfiction that]] [[http://mrshoneydew.deviantart.com/art/What-Chapter-372-of-Fairy-Tail-Should-Have-Been-524338116 rewrites Chapter 372]], she ''[[RonTheDeathEater does]]''. Sometimes with [[DisproportionateRetribution worse methods]].

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* At one point in the Tartaros Arc in ''Manga/FairyTail'', [[spoiler: Kyouka captures Erza and subjects her to ColdBloodedTorture in Chapters 365-366 and 368. Erza breaks out in Chapter 371 and at the start of Chapter 372, has a perfect opportunity to torture Kyouka back, but didn't.]] didn't]]. In a [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10791036/1/What-Chapter-372-of-Fairy-Tail-should-have-been fanfiction that]] [[http://mrshoneydew.deviantart.com/art/What-Chapter-372-of-Fairy-Tail-Should-Have-Been-524338116 rewrites Chapter 372]], she ''[[RonTheDeathEater does]]''. Sometimes with [[DisproportionateRetribution worse methods]].



* ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Mr. Incredible kills the villain by causing him to get sucked into his plane's engine. Granted, the villain had previously murdered a great portion of his fellow superheroes and nearly his family and he did try to [[BerserkButton kidnap his baby son to raise as a supervillain sidekick]], but it's pretty jarring that earlier, he had mocked Incredible for his inability to resort to murder. What makes it worse is that Mr. Incredible did it right in front of his [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop his whole family.]]
** It should be noted, however, that Mr. Incredible did not directly throw the villain into the engine. He threw a car at the plane, and the collision is what threw the villain to his death.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Mr. Incredible kills the villain by causing him to get sucked into his plane's engine. Granted, the villain had previously murdered a great portion of his fellow superheroes and nearly his family and he did try to [[BerserkButton kidnap his baby son to raise as a supervillain sidekick]], but it's pretty jarring that earlier, he had mocked Incredible for his inability to resort to murder. What makes it worse is that Mr. Incredible did it right in front of his [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop his whole family.]]
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]] It should be noted, however, that Mr. Incredible did not directly throw the villain into the engine. He threw a car at the plane, and the collision is what threw the villain to his death.



* In ''Film/DeadMansShoes'', the AntiHero Richard comes back to his town to take bloody revenge on the people who bullied his brother when they were younger, [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge killing them brutally one by one.]] The film is interspersed with disturbing flashbacks showing what they did, any of which could explain the extent of Richard's fury, culminating in the most horrific: [[spoiler:they drive him out into the country, literally torture him and abandon him with a rope around his neck that he uses to hang himself. The brother, who had appeared as a character throughout the film, was DeadAllAlong.]] However, whilst the bullies were indeed monstrous, we're not entirely expected to agree with Richard's actions -- and in the final scene, Richard acknowledges that the things he's done have been terrible.
* In ''Film/{{Dogville}}'', a woman on the run from the mob is reluctantly accepted in a small Colorado town. In exchange, she agrees to work for them. As a search visits town, however, they force her to do more chores within the same time, for less pay. The townspeople then start treating her like a slave, raping and abusing her. Unfortunately for them, [[spoiler:she turns out to be the daughter of a mob boss -- and the townspeople have lost all chance of her forgiveness...]]

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* In ''Film/DeadMansShoes'', the AntiHero Richard comes back to his town to take bloody revenge on the people who bullied his brother when they were younger, [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge killing them brutally one by one.]] The film is interspersed with disturbing flashbacks showing what they did, any of which could explain the extent of Richard's fury, culminating in the most horrific: [[spoiler:they drive him out into the country, literally torture him and abandon him with a rope around his neck that he uses to hang himself. The brother, who had appeared as a character throughout the film, was DeadAllAlong.]] DeadAllAlong]]. However, whilst the bullies were indeed monstrous, we're not entirely expected to agree with Richard's actions -- and in the final scene, Richard acknowledges that the things he's done have been terrible.
* In ''Film/{{Dogville}}'', a woman on the run from the mob is reluctantly accepted in a small Colorado town. In exchange, she agrees to work for them. As a search visits town, however, they force her to do more chores within the same time, for less pay. The townspeople then start treating her like a slave, raping and abusing her. Unfortunately for them, [[spoiler:she turns out to be the daughter of a mob boss -- and the townspeople have lost all chance of her forgiveness...]]forgiveness..]].



* ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly'': Blondie is only "the Good" because he shows some mercy (and most of his ruthless acts are retaliation...).
* Speaking of Creator/ClintEastwood, ''Film/HighPlainsDrifter'' is an entire movie devoted to this trope.

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* Creator/ClintEastwood
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''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly'': Blondie is only "the Good" because he shows some mercy (and most of his ruthless acts are retaliation...).
* Speaking of Creator/ClintEastwood, ** ''Film/HighPlainsDrifter'' is an entire movie devoted to this trope.



** In fact, this is most of Anakin's Dark actions in the prequels. In ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', he kills the Sand People who kidnapped, beat, tortured, and quite probably raped his mother. What keeps it from being justified is that he killed all of them, women and children included. He later takes down Dooku at the start of ''Revenge of the Sith'', which would have been completely justified, except Dooku was almost-literally [[JustForPun unarmed.]] The moral of this, however, is that this trope is a ''bad thing'' and is part of what leads Anakin to TheDarkSide.

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** In fact, this is most of Anakin's Dark actions in the prequels. In ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', he kills the Sand People who kidnapped, beat, tortured, and quite probably raped his mother. What keeps it from being justified is that he killed all of them, women and children included. He later takes down Dooku at the start of ''Revenge of the Sith'', ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', which would have been completely justified, except Dooku was almost-literally [[JustForPun unarmed.]] The moral of this, however, is that this trope is a ''bad thing'' and is part of what leads Anakin to TheDarkSide.



* In Creator/JohnWayne's ''Film/TheCowboys'', the evil guy is [[spoiler:finally defeated by the young boys. Instead of just shooting him dead (as he deserved), the boys leave him attached to a horse by the ankle and send the horse off running, with him dragging on the ground (which he deserved just as much).]]
* ''Film/WildWildWest'' Dr. Arless Loveless is a racist bigot who is constantly making racial slurs and jokes against WillSmith's Jim West. He's also lost his entire body below the waist, so James West responds by making "short" jokes about him.
* The protagonist of ''Film/GrossePointeBlank'' uses this as justification for his career as a hitman. He comments that the files on most of his targets read like a demon's resume, and says "If I show up at your door, chances are you did something to bring me there." [[DeconstructedTrope This gets deconstructed for him when he discovers]] [[spoiler:his last intended target is his former flame's dad, who is about to testify about faulty seat-belts killing people in accidents. It's enough to make him decide he wants no part of the business anymore.]]

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* In Creator/JohnWayne's ''Film/TheCowboys'', the evil guy is [[spoiler:finally defeated by the young boys. Instead of just shooting him dead (as he deserved), the boys leave him attached to a horse by the ankle and send the horse off running, with him dragging on the ground (which he deserved just as much).]]
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* ''Film/WildWildWest'' ''Film/WildWildWest'': Dr. Arless Loveless is [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain a racist bigot who is constantly making racial slurs and jokes jokes]] against WillSmith's Creator/WillSmith's Jim West. He's also lost his entire body below the waist, so James West responds by making "short" jokes about him.
* The protagonist of ''Film/GrossePointeBlank'' uses this as justification for his career as a hitman. He comments that the files on most of his targets read like a demon's resume, and says "If I show up at your door, chances are you did something to bring me there." [[DeconstructedTrope This gets deconstructed for him when he discovers]] [[spoiler:his last intended target is his former flame's dad, who is about to testify about faulty seat-belts killing people in accidents. It's enough to make him decide he wants no part of the business anymore.]]anymore]].



* This is the premise of the movie ''Paparazzi'', with a celebrity going on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge against a trio of cartoonishly evil {{Paparazzi}} who put his wife and son in the hospital, including orchestrating a SuicideByCop scenario and directly murdering another one off-screen. The guy in charge of investigating all this even secretly roots for whoever's doing it (though he still has to bring him in because, of course, he's breaking the law,) and in the end [[spoiler: the guy viciously beats the final paparazzi and manages to frame him for all the murders while he gets off scot free.]]

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* This is the premise of the movie ''Paparazzi'', with a celebrity going on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge against a trio of cartoonishly evil {{Paparazzi}} who put his wife and son in the hospital, including orchestrating a SuicideByCop scenario and directly murdering another one off-screen. The guy in charge of investigating all this even secretly roots for whoever's doing it (though he still has to bring him in because, of course, he's breaking the law,) and in the end [[spoiler: the guy viciously beats the final paparazzi and manages to frame him for all the murders while he gets off scot free.]]free]].



* Teaser posters for the American film version of ''[[TheMillenniumTrilogy The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo]]'' feature the tagline [[http://www-movieline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/girlwithdragontattoouk.jpg "Evil Shall With Evil Be Expelled"]].

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* Teaser posters for the American film version of ''[[TheMillenniumTrilogy ''[[Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo]]'' feature the tagline [[http://www-movieline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/girlwithdragontattoouk.jpg "Evil Shall With Evil Be Expelled"]].



* In ''Film/{{Dogma}}'', As the Angel of Death, this was Loki's role. He throws down his fiery sword after disagreeing with God on who deserves to die and is cast out of Heaven. Upon Bartleby's finding a way back in, he returns to his role with gusto.
* It's implied at the end of Film/{{The Collect|or}}ion that Arkin [[spoiler:is gonna return the favor back at The Collector himself after all the hell he went through due to said killer's hands after setting him on fire, finding out he escaped, learning his past, tracking him down thanks to his new knowledge and ambushing The Collector in his own home.]]

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* In ''Film/{{Dogma}}'', As as the Angel of Death, this was Loki's role. He throws down his fiery sword after disagreeing with God on who deserves to die and is cast out of Heaven. Upon Bartleby's finding a way back in, he returns to his role with gusto.
* It's implied at the end of Film/{{The Collect|or}}ion ''Film/{{The Collect|or}}ion'' that Arkin [[spoiler:is gonna return the favor back at The Collector himself after all the hell he went through due to said killer's hands after setting him on fire, finding out he escaped, learning his past, tracking him down thanks to his new knowledge and ambushing The Collector in his own home.]]home]].



* ''Film/DriveAngry'': John Milton slaughters the cultists en masse and shows no mercy towards them, [[spoiler:especially their leader Jonah King, whom he erases from existence with the Godkiller and uses his skull to drink some beer from.]] The villains are ''really'' bad to make this serviceable. These people are a baby-sacrificing cult, and King is a sadistic rapist, murderer and power-tripping maniac.
* ''Film/{{Unfriended}}'': Laura Barns was DrivenToSuicide after having a humiliating video of her uploaded to Youtube and suffering bullying and harassment. When her vengeful spirit goes after her tormentors, she drives them to [[CruelAndUnusualDeath Cruel and Unusual Suicides]].

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* ''Film/DriveAngry'': John Milton slaughters the cultists en masse and shows no mercy towards them, [[spoiler:especially their leader Jonah King, whom he erases from existence with the Godkiller and uses his skull to drink some beer from.]] from]]. The villains are ''really'' bad to make this serviceable. These people are a baby-sacrificing cult, and King is a sadistic rapist, murderer and power-tripping maniac.
* ''Film/{{Unfriended}}'': Laura Barns was DrivenToSuicide after having a humiliating video of her uploaded to Youtube Website/YouTube and suffering bullying and harassment. When her vengeful spirit goes after her tormentors, she drives them to [[CruelAndUnusualDeath Cruel and Unusual Suicides]].



* RobinHood: Steals from the rich and gives to the poor. Goes up and down the scales with each retelling; sometimes it's anyone rich, sometimes it's clearly someone who has unfairly taxed said poor. If it was anyone rich, that may be because [[ValuesDissonance the folks that this lore was for]] probably thought [[AristocratsAreEvil all nobles were evil]] back then.

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* RobinHood: Myth/RobinHood: Steals from the rich and gives to the poor. Goes up and down the scales with each retelling; sometimes it's anyone rich, sometimes it's clearly someone who has unfairly taxed said poor. If it was anyone rich, that may be because [[ValuesDissonance the folks that this lore was for]] probably thought [[AristocratsAreEvil all nobles were evil]] back then.



*** In the Milverton case, Holmes himself was [[PayEvilUntoEvil Paying Evil Unto Evil]]--at the moment the crime was committed, he and Watson were in the middle of burgling Milverton's house to get rid of his blackmail material. Holmes knows who the murderer is, but revealing her identity would mean revealing that he too was very much on the wrong side of the law.

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*** In the Milverton case, Holmes himself was [[PayEvilUntoEvil Paying Evil Unto Evil]]--at Evil--at the moment the crime was committed, he and Watson were in the middle of burgling Milverton's house to get rid of his blackmail material. Holmes knows who the murderer is, but revealing her identity would mean revealing that he too was very much on the wrong side of the law.



* In the third book of the ''Literature/InheritanceCycle'', the main character Eragon does some pretty heinous things. He wipes out what is apparently the last of a dying race, [[MindRape Mind Rapes]] a {{Jerkass}} from his hometown who stabbed his friends and family in the back (literally with one guy) and mercilessly slaughters a group of conscripted soldiers who were JustFollowingOrders. His feelings on each of the separate matters...vary.

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* In the third book of the ''Literature/InheritanceCycle'', the main character Eragon does some pretty heinous things. He wipes out what is apparently the last of a dying race, [[MindRape Mind Rapes]] {{Mind Rape}}s a {{Jerkass}} from his hometown who stabbed his friends and family in the back (literally with one guy) and mercilessly slaughters a group of conscripted soldiers who were JustFollowingOrders. His feelings on each of the separate matters...vary.



** His feelings on [[MindRape Mind Raping]] [[{{Jerkass}} Sloan]] is...not a shining example of morality. The dude was an AssholeVictim and KnightTemplarParent who chose to betray his peers (and murder one of them) when his daughter didnít obey him. But he pretty much [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves got what he had coming to him]] [[ColdBloodedTorture at the hands of the Raízac]]. Eragon feels no guilt at all for piling the MindRape on top of the torture, starvation, and [[EyeScream blinding]] he had already suffered.

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** His feelings on [[MindRape Mind Raping]] {{Mind Rap|e}}ing [[{{Jerkass}} Sloan]] is...not a shining example of morality. The dude was an AssholeVictim and KnightTemplarParent who chose to betray his peers (and murder one of them) when his daughter didnít obey him. But he pretty much [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves got what he had coming to him]] [[ColdBloodedTorture at the hands of the Raízac]]. Eragon feels no guilt at all for piling the MindRape on top of the torture, starvation, and [[EyeScream blinding]] he had already suffered.



* Played straight in ''[[Literature/GentlemanBastard Red Seas Under Red Skies]]''. When Locke needs to commit a very public bit of villainy, [[spoiler: he heads straight for the disgustingly decadent Salon Corbeau and sacks the city.]]

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* Played straight in ''[[Literature/GentlemanBastard Red Seas Under Red Skies]]''. When Locke needs to commit a very public bit of villainy, [[spoiler: he heads straight for the disgustingly decadent Salon Corbeau and sacks the city.]]city]].



** Subverted in later chapters, when Michael goes to Sicily and sees the end result of an ''entire society'' dedicated to PayEvilUntoEvil. This is a huge part of what drives his attempts to drive the Corleone Family into legitimate enterprises.

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** Subverted in later chapters, when Michael goes to Sicily and sees the end result of an ''entire society'' dedicated to PayEvilUntoEvil.this. This is a huge part of what drives his attempts to drive the Corleone Family into legitimate enterprises.



* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': The Mereenese Grand Masters welcome Daenerys by [[spoiler:nailing a bunch of disemboweled slave children on columns beside the road with their fingers pointing to Mereen.]] Later, [[spoiler:they end up the same way on the main square of Mereen]]. (In the TV series at least, her advisers suggest this may not be the wisest course, and sure enough it's later pointed out to her that one of the guys she did this had spent his life working to improve the lot of the slaves, lampshading the negative side of the trope.)

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': The Mereenese Grand Masters welcome Daenerys by [[spoiler:nailing a bunch of disemboweled slave children on columns beside the road with their fingers pointing to Mereen.]] Mereen]]. Later, [[spoiler:they end up the same way on the main square of Mereen]]. (In the TV series at least, her advisers suggest this may not be the wisest course, and sure enough it's later pointed out to her that one of the guys she did this had spent his life working to improve the lot of the slaves, lampshading the negative side of the trope.)



* Literature/CrimeAndPunishment - One of the antagonists of the novel, Porfiry, works as a police officer and interrogator, which usually would qualify as a good-aligned job. As you further witness this officer's tactics in catching criminals, you see him commit to bribery, thievery, death-threats, and psychological torture to force an admission. Furthermore, he seems to actually enjoy it, toying with amateur criminals like a cat torturing a wounded mouse. The justification, of course, being that the victim of this was a murderer, and therefore deserves it.

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* Literature/CrimeAndPunishment ''Literature/CrimeAndPunishment'' - One of the antagonists of the novel, Porfiry, works as a police officer and interrogator, which usually would qualify as a good-aligned job. As you further witness this officer's tactics in catching criminals, you see him commit to bribery, thievery, death-threats, and psychological torture to force an admission. Furthermore, he seems to actually enjoy it, toying with amateur criminals like a cat torturing a wounded mouse. The justification, of course, being that the victim of this was a murderer, and therefore deserves it.



** The [[MeaningfulName Public Safety Committee]] revolt in the Haven Republic has had a [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely noble goal]] of overthrowing [[SleazyPolitician the corrupt and cretinous Legislaturalist regime]], but just as [[UsefulNotes/FrenchRevolution its historical prototype]] [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized slipped into a bloody tyranny]] ''really fast'' largely because its perpetrators couln't keep themselves from taking their {{revenge}} on the Legislaturalists, and it kinda went downhill from there.

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** The [[MeaningfulName Public Safety Committee]] revolt in the Haven Republic has had a [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely noble goal]] of overthrowing [[SleazyPolitician the corrupt and cretinous Legislaturalist regime]], but just as [[UsefulNotes/FrenchRevolution its historical prototype]] [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized slipped into a bloody tyranny]] ''really fast'' largely because its perpetrators couln't couldn't keep themselves from taking their {{revenge}} on the Legislaturalists, and it kinda went downhill from there.



* Happens a few times in ''Series/{{Farscape}}'', though they're usually forced into it by the bad guys. One example: In order to save D'Argo's son (and 9,999 other slaves), our heroes plan to rob a bank, justifying their actions by saying it's a "shadow depository", ie, where bad guys hide the stuff they steal.

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* Happens a few times in ''Series/{{Farscape}}'', though they're usually forced into it by the bad guys. One example: In order to save D'Argo's son (and 9,999 other slaves), our heroes plan to rob a bank, justifying their actions by saying it's a "shadow depository", ie, i.e., where bad guys hide the stuff they steal.



* ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'': The titular detective realizes that he has no other choice but to kill Magnusson for both John ''and'' Mary, but ''especially'' [[OnlyFriend John]] since Magnusson knew he was a pressure point for him, and that he ''geunuinely cared for him.''

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* ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'': The titular detective realizes that he has no other choice but to kill Magnusson for both John ''and'' Mary, but ''especially'' [[OnlyFriend John]] since Magnusson knew he was a pressure point for him, and that he ''geunuinely ''genuinely cared for him.''



* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': Few mourned, and many cheered, when [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Dark Willow]] flayed Warren Mears alive. Those that refrained from cheering did so not out of sympathy for Warren, but concern for Willow (except for those who thought Willow had already crossed the Moral Event Horizon by repeatedly mind-raping and raping Tara).

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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'':
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Few mourned, and many cheered, when [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Dark Willow]] flayed Warren Mears alive. Those that refrained from cheering did so not out of sympathy for Warren, but concern for Willow (except for those who thought Willow had already crossed the Moral Event Horizon by repeatedly mind-raping and raping Tara).



* In ''Series/OnceUponATime'', Snow White (of all people) pulls off this trope. Her wicked stepmother's even ''more'' evil mother Cora admitted to killing Snow's mom by magic, threw Snow's old nanny to her death right in front of her ForTheLulz, and cheerfully admits her whole goal is to obtain the dagger of the Dark One so she would become a completely invincible force of power. Regina (the stepmother) has made Snow's life (and everyone else's) life a living hell for the last 30 years. So, when she [[spoiler: casts a death curse on Cora's heart (she stores it separately) and ''tricks'' Regina into putting it back]]...Well, it's a little hard ''not'' to be both horrified at Snow's actions, but also believe the parties she paid evil unto richly deserved it.

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* In ''Series/OnceUponATime'', Snow White (of all people) pulls off this trope. Her wicked stepmother's even ''more'' evil mother Cora admitted to killing Snow's mom by magic, threw Snow's old nanny to her death right in front of her ForTheLulz, [[ItAmusedMe For The Lulz]], and cheerfully admits her whole goal is to obtain the dagger of the Dark One so she would become a completely invincible force of power. Regina (the stepmother) has made Snow's life (and everyone else's) life a living hell for the last 30 years. So, when she [[spoiler: casts a death curse on Cora's heart (she stores it separately) and ''tricks'' Regina into putting it back]]...Well, it's a little hard ''not'' to be both horrified at Snow's actions, but also believe the parties she paid evil unto richly deserved it.



** The same episode ends with [[spoiler:Simmons, the BigBad who murdered Carter after she upended his whole corrupt organisation, arrested and in hospital, because the protagonists ultimately decided to do what Carter would have wanted instead of seeking revenge for her death. But who is this, waiting in the shadows of the hospital room when Simmons wakes up? Why, it's [[AffablyEvil Elias]], the mafia don whose life Carter saved last season. And here's his henchman Scarface, with a garotte.]]

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** The same episode ends with [[spoiler:Simmons, the BigBad who murdered Carter after she upended his whole corrupt organisation, arrested and in hospital, because the protagonists ultimately decided to do what Carter would have wanted instead of seeking revenge for her death. But who is this, waiting in the shadows of the hospital room when Simmons wakes up? Why, it's [[AffablyEvil Elias]], the mafia don whose life Carter saved last season. And here's his henchman Scarface, with a garotte.]]garotte]].



* It's hard to believe that Bulk and Skull were bullies after all the humiliation given to them constantly for about the five original seasons of ''Power Rangers.'' The good guys never used their powers explicitly other than dodge attacks, but they did laugh at them a lot in the freeze shot that ended episodes.
** They were pretty bad in the first season (Both in the sense of not being nice, but also just not good at being bullies), but later on they got better.

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* It's hard to believe that Bulk and Skull were bullies after all the humiliation given to them constantly for about the five original seasons of ''Power Rangers.''Franchise/PowerRangers.'' The good guys never used their powers explicitly other than dodge attacks, but they did laugh at them a lot in the freeze shot that ended episodes.
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episodes. They were pretty bad in the first season (Both in the sense of not being nice, but also just not good at being bullies), but later on they got better.



* Used by Wrestling/{{Edge}} against Wrestling/{{Kane}}. Kane is known for being a sadistic monster that torments and tortures his opponents without remorse: a NobleDemon at best, one of the biggest heels in all of wrestling at worst. Edge proceeds to kidnap Kane's [[PaulBearer evil father]] (who'd himself been seen as a monster quite often) and torture and torment him and Kane. Just so happens to follow Kane being an even bigger monster than normal, it's almost as if the WWE wanted to make sure Kane had it coming.

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* Used by Wrestling/{{Edge}} against Wrestling/{{Kane}}. Kane is known for being a sadistic monster that torments and tortures his opponents without remorse: a NobleDemon at best, one of the biggest heels in all of wrestling at worst. Edge proceeds to kidnap Kane's [[PaulBearer [[Wrestling/PaulBearer evil father]] (who'd himself been seen as a monster quite often) and torture and torment him and Kane. Just so happens to follow Kane being an even bigger monster than normal, it's almost as if the WWE wanted to make sure Kane had it coming.



** And strongly condemned by the New Testament. As the TropeNamer for TurnTheOtherCheek, in Literature/TheFourGospels {{Jesus}} preaches nonviolence, even remonstrating Peter for attacking a Roman soldier to ''defend'' Him.

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** And strongly condemned by the New Testament. As the TropeNamer {{Trope Namer|s}} for TurnTheOtherCheek, in Literature/TheFourGospels {{Jesus}} preaches nonviolence, even remonstrating Peter for attacking a Roman soldier to ''defend'' Him.



** This comes into play in ''TheGodfather''. Vito refuses to kill the boys who attacked Bonasera's daughter because she was not killed. As Vito himself puts it, "that would not be justice." He does have his men brutally beat the boys and put them in the hospital, though.

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** This comes into play in ''TheGodfather''.''Film/TheGodfather''. Vito refuses to kill the boys who attacked Bonasera's daughter because she was not killed. As Vito himself puts it, "that would not be justice." He does have his men brutally beat the boys and put them in the hospital, though.



* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' likes this one, though it must be noted that the setting already runs on BlackAndGreyMorality. The Imperium and Chaos both enjoy sacrificing innocents -- the former sacrifice to the Emperor, the latter to the Chaos Gods, to name one example.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' likes this one, though it must be noted that the setting already runs on BlackAndGreyMorality.BlackAndGrayMorality. The Imperium and Chaos both enjoy sacrificing innocents -- the former sacrifice to the Emperor, the latter to the Chaos Gods, to name one example.



* Most cases of RandomlyDrops in RolePlayingGames. So yeah, the guy you just killed had a nice shiny something; it's yours now! It was probably stolen anyways... uh... don't look too hard for the original owner.

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* Most cases of RandomlyDrops {{Random Drop}}s in RolePlayingGames.{{R|olePlayingGame}}PGS. So yeah, the guy you just killed had a nice shiny something; it's yours now! It was probably stolen anyways... uh... don't look too hard for the original owner.



* Aribeth's actions in VideoGame/NeverwinterNights are more of [[BlackAndGreyMorality pay evil unto very questionable]], but the idea is there.

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* Aribeth's actions in VideoGame/NeverwinterNights are more of [[BlackAndGreyMorality [[BlackAndGrayMorality pay evil unto very questionable]], but the idea is there.



* In some games with a KarmaMeter (''VideoGame/{{Fable}}'' immediately comes to mind), killing {{Mook}}s gives Good points. Even unprovoked killings.

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* In some games with a KarmaMeter (''VideoGame/{{Fable}}'' immediately comes to mind), killing {{Mook}}s {{Mooks}} gives Good points. Even unprovoked killings.



** ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' provides good karma and good items for gunning down Evil characters, even if it's done in cold blood. Since the definition of evil is... [[BlackAndGreyMorality rather loose]]... in the local universe, this can lead to some interesting interactions. Where stealing scrap material loses KarmaMeter points, and taking a [[ChainsawGood Ripper]] to a friendly NPC's head can provide points.
** It's especially odd that you gain karma from killing Mr. Tenpenny for two reasons: One, that you can do it with no provocation and completely in cold blood and two, [[spoiler:near as one can tell, if you convince the residents to let the ghouls in, you find out that Tenpenny does not condone the morally reprehensible prejudices he allows, he's just oblivious to them, though this may apply less to Megaton.]] (Also, please note these "morally reprehensible prejudices" turn out in this specific case to be fully justified.)

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** ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' provides good karma and good items for gunning down Evil characters, even if it's done in cold blood. Since the definition of evil is... [[BlackAndGreyMorality [[BlackAndGrayMorality rather loose]]... in the local universe, this can lead to some interesting interactions. Where stealing scrap material loses KarmaMeter points, and taking a [[ChainsawGood Ripper]] to a friendly NPC's head can provide points.
** It's especially odd that you gain karma from killing Mr. Tenpenny for two reasons: One, that you can do it with no provocation and completely in cold blood and two, [[spoiler:near as one can tell, if you convince the residents to let the ghouls in, you find out that Tenpenny does not condone the morally reprehensible prejudices he allows, he's just oblivious to them, though this may apply less to Megaton.]] Megaton]]. (Also, please note these "morally reprehensible prejudices" turn out in this specific case to be fully justified.)



** This trope is also played 100% straight, in Fallout 3 and New Vegas, in the case of Raiders. The laundry list: Kidnapping, banditry, torturing people literally to death, desecrating corpses to the point they aren't always recognizable as human any more, and sexually assaulting the people they capture-just to name a few. Oh, and to even be considered for joining their ranks? You have to prove you're at least as bad as they are. No wonder waltzing in and methodically murdering every last resident of a Raider camp, then stealing everything that isn't bolted down, is never considered a bad thing.

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** This trope is also played 100% straight, in Fallout 3 ''Fallout 3'' and New Vegas, ''New Vegas'', in the case of Raiders. The laundry list: Kidnapping, banditry, torturing people literally to death, desecrating corpses to the point they aren't always recognizable as human any more, and sexually assaulting the people they capture-just to name a few. Oh, and to even be considered for joining their ranks? You have to prove you're at least as bad as they are. No wonder waltzing in and methodically murdering every last resident of a Raider camp, then stealing everything that isn't bolted down, is never considered a bad thing.



* Happened in ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2'', although it's not so much as pay evil onto evil as [[GreyAndGrayMorality pay evil onto greyness.]] Maero gets his revenge for [[spoiler:unintentionally getting tattooed with nuclear acid set up by the main character by torturing Carlos and having the player MercyKill him.]] The main character gets him back by [[spoiler:kidnapping his girlfriend, Jessica, stuffing her into the trunk of a car, and using it as fodder in a monster truck rally that Maero is in, with Jessica still in the trunk. She doesn't survive.]]

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* Happened in ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2'', although it's not so much as pay evil onto evil as [[GreyAndGrayMorality pay evil onto greyness.]] Maero gets his revenge for [[spoiler:unintentionally getting tattooed with nuclear acid set up by the main character by torturing Carlos and having the player MercyKill him.]] him]]. The main character gets him back by [[spoiler:kidnapping his girlfriend, Jessica, stuffing her into the trunk of a car, and using it as fodder in a monster truck rally that Maero is in, with Jessica still in the trunk. She doesn't survive.]]survive]].



** At other times, though, it gets a little dicey: at the conclusion of ''[[VideoGame/HitmanContracts Contracts]]'' [[spoiler: he assassinates a French police officer, as he believes that the man in question knows too much about him]]. Similarly, at the end of ''[[VideoGame/HitmanBloodMoney Blood Money]]'', [[spoiler: Agent 47 is revived from apparent death during his funeral, and kills ''everyone'' present at the funeral, including an innocent priest and a journalist (although in fairness, the journalist had been provided with a great deal of information about him).]]

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** At other times, though, it gets a little dicey: at the conclusion of ''[[VideoGame/HitmanContracts Contracts]]'' [[spoiler: he assassinates a French police officer, as he believes that the man in question knows too much about him]]. Similarly, at the end of ''[[VideoGame/HitmanBloodMoney Blood Money]]'', [[spoiler: Agent 47 is revived from apparent death during his funeral, and kills ''everyone'' present at the funeral, including an innocent priest and a journalist (although in fairness, the journalist had been provided with a great deal of information about him).]]him)]].



* In ''VideoGame/EscapeVelocity'', blowing up ships and conquering planets doesn't make you very well liked by the surrounding systems (unless it's by an opposing faction.) Meanwhile, conquering SpacePirate worlds and bases then demanding they pay you tribute; nobody cares (pirates attack you regardless,) and one of the few 100% reliable ways to boost your KarmaMeter with every faction is to shoot pirates and take their stuff. Curiously nobody demands that the System Lord try to shut down said pirates.

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* In ''VideoGame/EscapeVelocity'', blowing up ships and conquering planets doesn't make you very well liked by the surrounding systems (unless it's by an opposing faction.) Meanwhile, conquering SpacePirate {{Space Pirate|s}} worlds and bases then demanding they pay you tribute; nobody cares (pirates attack you regardless,) and one of the few 100% reliable ways to boost your KarmaMeter with every faction is to shoot pirates and take their stuff. Curiously nobody demands that the System Lord try to shut down said pirates.



* ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' ''is'' this trope, thanks to some extreme characterization of the Greek gods.

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* ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' ''VideoGame/{{God of War|Series}}'' ''is'' this trope, thanks to some extreme characterization of the Greek gods.



* While the Suikoden series is famous for the GreyAndGreyMorality of most of its villains, SuikodenV gives us [[spoiler: Salum Barows, who is a corrupt and self-serving politician who incited riots, stole a national treasure, and tried to coerce the Prince into making his own nation just to assassinate him later. While he's left humiliated during the game, he's still around and could cause problems in the future. There is great catharsis when Sialeeds blasts him with [[ThePowerOfTheSun the Twilight Rune.]]]]
* This turns out to have been the BigBad's motivation in ''[[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations Ace Attorney Investigations 2]]''. No player really mourned [[spoiler: Di-Jun Huang's double]] after finding out what he did. You even kinda admire the BigBad for helping put [[spoiler: Blaise Debeste]] behind bars. On the other hand, the assassin Sirhan [[spoiler: considers threatening Patricia Roland's family]] as a case of this, but to the player it comes off as KickTheSonOfABitch since at the time they don't know [[spoiler: she was involved in a presidential assassination]] and falls into the Deconstruction category as [[spoiler: Patricia is driven flat-out insane from being ProperlyParanoid to the point where it's hard not to feel sorry for her.]]
* In ''VideoGame/GoneHome'' the reason the house has been ransacked turns out to be that [[spoiler:Sam pawned everything of value she could get her hands on to finance her elopement with her girlfriend, which she feels completely justified in doing thanks to her parents' passive-aggressive reaction to her coming out as a lesbian (though the years of implied ParentalFavoritism toward her older sister Katie may have also had something to do with it).]]

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* While the Suikoden series is famous for the GreyAndGreyMorality GreyAndGrayMorality of most of its villains, SuikodenV ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'' gives us [[spoiler: Salum Barows, who is a corrupt and self-serving politician who incited riots, stole a national treasure, and tried to coerce the Prince into making his own nation just to assassinate him later. While he's left humiliated during the game, he's still around and could cause problems in the future. There is great catharsis when Sialeeds blasts him with [[ThePowerOfTheSun the Twilight Rune.]]]]
Rune]]]].
* This turns out to have been the BigBad's motivation in ''[[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations Ace Attorney Investigations 2]]''. No player really mourned [[spoiler: Di-Jun Huang's double]] after finding out what he did. You even kinda admire the BigBad for helping put [[spoiler: Blaise Debeste]] behind bars. On the other hand, the assassin Sirhan [[spoiler: considers threatening Patricia Roland's family]] as a case of this, but to the player it comes off as KickTheSonOfABitch since at the time they don't know [[spoiler: she was involved in a presidential assassination]] and falls into the Deconstruction category as [[spoiler: Patricia is driven flat-out insane from being ProperlyParanoid to the point where it's hard not to feel sorry for her.]]
her]].
* In ''VideoGame/GoneHome'' the reason the house has been ransacked turns out to be that [[spoiler:Sam pawned everything of value she could get her hands on to finance her elopement with her girlfriend, which she feels completely justified in doing thanks to her parents' passive-aggressive reaction to her coming out as a lesbian (though the years of implied ParentalFavoritism toward her older sister Katie may have also had something to do with it).]]it)]].



* Heavily implied, though never confirmed in ''VisualNovel/HotelDuskRoom215'', in regards to [[spoiler:Robert Evans. Dunning is told that he'll never have to deal with Robert again at one point six months prior to the game. Kyle theorizes that his ex-partner Bradley, who knew Robert was a member of the organization that killed Bradley's sister Mila and kidnapped Dunning's daughter Jenny, killed him in retribution.]]

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* Heavily implied, though never confirmed in ''VisualNovel/HotelDuskRoom215'', in regards to [[spoiler:Robert Evans. Dunning is told that he'll never have to deal with Robert again at one point six months prior to the game. Kyle theorizes that his ex-partner Bradley, who knew Robert was a member of the organization that killed Bradley's sister Mila and kidnapped Dunning's daughter Jenny, killed him in retribution.]]retribution]].






* In ''Webcomic/LookingForGroup'', Richard the Undead Warlock embodies this trope. He can turn the tide of pretty much any battle, is lord of his own legion of undead villagers (ones he most likely killed himself), slaughters indiscriminately, eats babies (even once being placed into a nursery by a woman mistaking him for a child after he was shrunk, which he is later removed from and asks why he had to leave the buffet with lamenting women in the background), and he would fit AlwaysChaoticEvil perfectly if not for the fact that he does have a few moments where a softer personality shows up, if only for a moment, and the fact that the majority of the slaughtering he does is to help the Heroes win the war against their BigBad, even going out of his way to ensure the survival of his allies despite constantly saying that he's only along for the fun of killing. In one particular SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome, [[spoiler:Richard rescues Cale'Anon, cauterizing a mortal wound in his throat with fire to keep the elf from bleeding to death, carrying him down a mountainside, slaughtering a massively fat Black Dwarf, slicing the dwarf open, putting Cale inside it, sealing it shut again, and encasing the dwarf in a massive block of ice in order to protect Cale from a massive wave of hot lava that was rushing towards them from the mountainside, simply standing outside the block of ice and waiting for the wave to hit him rather than trying to save himself, as seen [[http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/281 here]] ]]

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* In ''Webcomic/LookingForGroup'', Richard the Undead Warlock embodies this trope. He can turn the tide of pretty much any battle, is lord of his own legion of undead villagers (ones he most likely killed himself), slaughters indiscriminately, eats babies (even once being placed into a nursery by a woman mistaking him for a child after he was shrunk, which he is later removed from and asks why he had to leave the buffet with lamenting women in the background), and he would fit AlwaysChaoticEvil perfectly if not for the fact that he does have a few moments where a softer personality shows up, if only for a moment, and the fact that the majority of the slaughtering he does is to help the Heroes win the war against their BigBad, even going out of his way to ensure the survival of his allies despite constantly saying that he's only along for the fun of killing. In one particular SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome, [[spoiler:Richard rescues Cale'Anon, cauterizing a mortal wound in his throat with fire to keep the elf from bleeding to death, carrying him down a mountainside, slaughtering a massively fat Black Dwarf, slicing the dwarf open, putting Cale inside it, sealing it shut again, and encasing the dwarf in a massive block of ice in order to protect Cale from a massive wave of hot lava that was rushing towards them from the mountainside, simply standing outside the block of ice and waiting for the wave to hit him rather than trying to save himself, as seen [[http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/281 here]] ]]here]]]].



** The prequel book ''On the Origin of [=PC=]s'' had an interesting subversion of this: [[spoiler: Roy and Durkon meet up when they're with an adventuring party that's supposed to wipe out a group of unruly orcs. Roy manages to deduce that the orcs are just rowdy music fans in town for a concert, and decides to spare them... much to the chagrin of his party, who wanted the XP. That's when he and Durkon decide they really need to part ways with the rest of the party.]]
** Also an example of this in the prequel Start of Darkness; [[spoiler: Since the goblin race is supposedly 'Always Chaotic Evil', normally good and honest paladins burn and pillage a goblin town without a second thought.]]

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** The prequel book ''On the Origin of [=PC=]s'' had an interesting subversion of this: [[spoiler: Roy and Durkon meet up when they're with an adventuring party that's supposed to wipe out a group of unruly orcs. Roy manages to deduce that the orcs are just rowdy music fans in town for a concert, and decides to spare them... much to the chagrin of his party, who wanted the XP. That's when he and Durkon decide they really need to part ways with the rest of the party.]]
party]].
** Also an example of this in the prequel Start of Darkness; [[spoiler: Since the goblin race is supposedly 'Always Chaotic Evil', normally good and honest paladins burn and pillage a goblin town without a second thought.]]thought]].



* In ''StrongFemaleProtagonist'', a webcomic dealing a teenage ex-superhero (Allison, aka Mega-Girl) wrestling with questions about the efficacy and ethics of traditional superheroism, [[spoiler: Moonshadow]] is of this view, and takes to killing rapists who escape justice under the law. Allison admits she'd ''like'' to PayEvilUntoEvil sometimes, but recognizes it's wrong.

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* In ''StrongFemaleProtagonist'', a webcomic dealing a teenage ex-superhero (Allison, aka Mega-Girl) wrestling with questions about the efficacy and ethics of traditional superheroism, [[spoiler: Moonshadow]] is of this view, and takes to killing rapists who escape justice under the law. Allison admits she'd ''like'' to PayEvilUntoEvil Pay Evil Unto Evil sometimes, but recognizes it's wrong.



** In the ''Literature/BridgetoTerabithia'' movie review, the Critic doesn't generally like bullying but also is against using violence to respond to bullying. That said, when the bully in the movie [[spoiler:made a joke about the protagonist's best friend dying tragically, the protagonist lost it and attacked the bully]] and the Critic approved.

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** In the ''Literature/BridgetoTerabithia'' ''Literature/BridgeToTerabithia'' movie review, the Critic doesn't generally like bullying but also is against using violence to respond to bullying. That said, when the bully in the movie [[spoiler:made a joke about the protagonist's best friend dying tragically, the protagonist lost it and attacked the bully]] and the Critic approved.



* In the ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' review of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'', Yahtzee mentions that since he stopped stealing everything that wasn't bolted down, he can now kill bandits with a smug sense of moral supieriority...before taking all of their stuff.

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* In the ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' review of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'', Yahtzee mentions that since he stopped stealing everything that wasn't bolted down, he can now kill bandits with a smug sense of moral supieriority...superiority...before taking all of their stuff.



* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'': ''Reconstruction'' Agent South Dakota killed her brother North Dakota, and left Agent Washington for dead just to save her own skin. She was finally cornered by Washington (after Caboose shot her) who shots her in the head, and deposes her body by burning it, burying it, and [[NoKillLikeOverkill blowing it up]]. She totally deserved all that.

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* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'': ''Reconstruction'' Agent South Dakota killed her brother North Dakota, and left Agent Washington for dead just to save her own skin. She was finally cornered by Washington (after Caboose shot her) who shots her in the head, and deposes her body by burning it, burying it, and [[NoKillLikeOverkill [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill blowing it up]]. She totally deserved all that.



* On ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', Katara uses this logic to defend her theft of a Waterbending scroll: "Stealing is wrong... [[SpoofAesop unless it's from pirates]]." Toph later uses the same rationale for cheating in a crooked gambling game: "Hey, I only cheated because ''he'' was cheating. I cheated a cheater. What's wrong with that?" The kids '''''never''''' learn any {{Aesop}} contradicting this.

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* On ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', Katara uses this logic to defend her theft of a Waterbending scroll: "Stealing is wrong... [[SpoofAesop unless it's from pirates]]." Toph later uses the same rationale for cheating in a crooked gambling game: "Hey, I only cheated because ''he'' was cheating. I cheated a cheater. What's wrong with that?" The kids '''''never''''' learn any {{Aesop}} [[AnAesop aesop]] contradicting this.



* Matrix, from the third and fourth seasons of ''ReBoot'', tends towards this. Immediately after his age-up, he was a Type IV AntiHero who believed that all viruses should be eradicated. Later in the season, he cooled down a bit, even [[spoiler:sparing Megabyte's life at the end.]]
* In ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents'', Timmy eventually wishes Vicky was young enough for him to be her babysitter so he could get his revenge, doing the exact same kind of things she did to him to her. Now if Vicky had actually been the same person she was as an adult, it'd have been well deserved... but it feels awful because she's at an age where she wasn't evil and is just a poor five year old girl. This further backfires when Vicky gets Cosmo and Wanda due to how bad Timmy made her feel and uses them to take her own revenge on him. Ultimately, Timmy learns his {{Aesop}} and decides, before returning her to normal, [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments giving her a great day.]]
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' seems considerably fond of this trope. ''22 Short Films About Springfield'' ends with a grown man Nelson made fun of pulling down Nelson's pants, ordering him to walk down the street with his pants down, telling everyone on the street that now is their chance to make fun of Nelson, and everyone in town pointing and laughing at him at the same time. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And then Bart and Milhouse pour ketchup and mustard on Nelson's face.]]
** Although you can't really say they are doing it to punish Nelson or out of a sense of feeling morally superior to him. Just before that, they had been pouring ketchup and mustard on passing cars.
* Very much the subject of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood''. The villain, Red Hood, [[spoiler: who is actually Jason Todd, the 2nd Robin]] is trying to prove to Batman that his [[ThouShaltNotKill code against killing]] is inadequate and he can be a better crime-fighter by just murdering criminals.
* Miss Martian in season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' gains a disturbing habit of [[MindRape mind raping]] her opponents to gain information, leaving them catatonic. While she justifies herself with this logic, it becomes harder to defend once it's revealed [[spoiler: she tried to do something similar to her boyfriend Superboy, in order to make him forget that he had a problem with her behavior.]]
** [[spoiler: And it proceeds to bite her in the ass hard in 2x10, when she lobotomizies Aqualad for killing Artemis, and in the process finds out that he is a ReverseMole who faked Artemis' death to bring her undercover with him. She mindraped one of her closest friends, and most likely doomed Artemis' cover as well. Cue HeroicBSOD.]]

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* Matrix, from the third and fourth seasons of ''ReBoot'', ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'', tends towards this. Immediately after his age-up, he was a Type IV AntiHero who believed that all viruses should be eradicated. Later in the season, he cooled down a bit, even [[spoiler:sparing Megabyte's life at the end.]]
end]].
* In ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents'', ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'', Timmy eventually wishes Vicky was young enough for him to be her babysitter so he could get his revenge, doing the exact same kind of things she did to him to her. Now if Vicky had actually been the same person she was as an adult, it'd have been well deserved... but it feels awful because she's at an age where she wasn't evil and is just a poor five year old girl. This further backfires when Vicky gets Cosmo and Wanda due to how bad Timmy made her feel and uses them to take her own revenge on him. Ultimately, Timmy learns his {{Aesop}} [[AnAesop Aesop]] and decides, before returning her to normal, [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments giving her a great day.]]
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' seems considerably fond of this trope. ''22 "22 Short Films About Springfield'' Springfield" ends with a grown man Nelson made fun of pulling down Nelson's pants, ordering him to walk down the street with his pants down, telling everyone on the street that now is their chance to make fun of Nelson, and everyone in town pointing and laughing at him at the same time. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And then Bart and Milhouse pour ketchup and mustard on Nelson's face.]]
**
]] Although you can't really say they are doing it to punish Nelson or out of a sense of feeling morally superior to him. Just before that, they had been pouring ketchup and mustard on passing cars.
* Very much the subject of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood''. The villain, Red Hood, [[spoiler: who is actually Jason Todd, the 2nd Robin]] is trying to prove to Batman that his [[ThouShaltNotKill code against killing]] is inadequate when it comes to unrepentant villains like ComicBook/TheJoker and he can be a better crime-fighter by just murdering such criminals.
* Miss Martian in season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' gains a disturbing habit of [[MindRape mind raping]] her opponents to gain information, leaving them catatonic. While she justifies herself with this logic, it becomes harder to defend once it's revealed [[spoiler: she tried to do something similar to her boyfriend Superboy, in order to make him forget that he had a problem with her behavior.]]
behavior]].
** [[spoiler: And it proceeds to bite her in the ass hard in 2x10, when she lobotomizies lobotomizes Aqualad for killing Artemis, and in the process finds out that he is a ReverseMole who faked Artemis' death to bring her undercover with him. She mindraped one of her closest friends, and most likely doomed Artemis' cover as well. Cue HeroicBSOD.]]



* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'': In the episode "Gettin' Twiggy with It," when [[TheBully Mitch Mitchelson]] is allowed to take Twiggy, the class pet hamster, home for the weekend only to cruelly torture her; this leads to Twiggy getting mutated by radioactive waste after Mitch flushes her down the toilet, after which she promptly goes after Mitch for revenge. Having known that he would mistreat Twiggy and personally been there when he flushed her, the girls are so disgusted with Mitch that they're fully prepared to just let Twiggy eat him, even catching him and trying to personally ''[[ThrowEmToTheWolves throw]]'' [[ThrowEmToTheWolves him to her]]. When Mitch begs them for mercy, however, they opt instead to place him in a giant hamster wheel and have Twiggy chase him in an endless cycle.
* In ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', Wendy beats the tar out of Cartman for mocking breast cancer. This has been one of the few times that Cartman actually gets a real punishment for many things he has done in his life.
** Full circle example in in "Scott Tenorman Must Die" in which Cartman is bullied mercilessly by Eight Grader Scott Tenorman, leading him to take revenge to a very macabre level.
*** To put it lightly, Cartman tricked Scott into eating his parents in the form of a bowl of chili. All because Cartman just wanted his $16.12.

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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'': In the episode "Gettin' Twiggy with It," when [[TheBully Mitch Mitchelson]] is allowed to take Twiggy, the class pet hamster, home for the weekend only to cruelly torture her; this leads to Twiggy getting mutated by radioactive waste after Mitch flushes her down the toilet, after which she promptly goes after Mitch for revenge. Having known that he would mistreat Twiggy and personally been there when he flushed her, the girls are so disgusted with Mitch that they're fully prepared to just let Twiggy eat him, even catching him and trying to personally ''[[ThrowEmToTheWolves throw]]'' ''{{throw|EmToTheWolves}}'' [[ThrowEmToTheWolves him to her]]. When Mitch begs them for mercy, however, they opt instead to place him in a giant hamster wheel and have Twiggy chase him in an endless cycle.
* In ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''
**
Wendy beats the tar out of Cartman for mocking breast cancer. This has been one of the few times that Cartman actually gets a real punishment for many things he has done in his life.
** Full circle example in in "Scott Tenorman Must Die" in which Cartman is bullied mercilessly by Eight Grader Scott Tenorman, leading him to take revenge to a very macabre level.
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level. To put it lightly, Cartman tricked Scott into eating his parents in the form of a bowl of chili. All because Cartman just wanted his $16.12.
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'', killing bandits raises your Karma meter, which is fair enough. It also goes up when you kill drug dealers and pimps, which still makes sense. But killing 'prostitutes' also raises the Karma meter (not by much, but damn)! It's kinda funny that a character is revered as a great hero for killing masses of whores.

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* In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'', killing bandits raises your Karma meter, which is fair enough. It also goes up when you kill drug dealers and pimps, which still makes sense. But killing 'prostitutes' also raises the Karma meter (not by much, [[DisposableSexWorker but damn)! damn]])! It's kinda funny that a character is revered as a great hero for killing masses of whores.
16th Jul '16 3:58:01 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Similarly, in ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', "The Revelation" episode shows Amon Debending the Leaders of the gangs in the city. These people have used their bending to make the people fear them, and he's giving them what they deserve. Ultimately though, this is a subversion, and is really a KickTheSonOfABitch, as he's willing to take the bending away from anyone for having it, regardless of whether they're good or evil. [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy He debent the gangsters first so more people would see him as the good-guy and follow him.]]

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** Similarly, in ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', "The Revelation" episode shows Amon Debending the Leaders of the gangs in the city. These people have used their bending to make the people fear them, and he's giving them what they deserve. Ultimately though, this is a subversion, and is really a KickTheSonOfABitch, as he's willing to take the bending away from anyone for having it, regardless of whether they're good or evil. [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy He debent the gangsters first so more people would see him as the good-guy and follow him.]]
15th Jul '16 9:37:49 AM Sapphirea2
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* In ''Series/DoctorWho'', the Doctor has been implied to have done this on occasion (to the point where he disowned an entire incarnation who be believed did it). In "Face the Raven", faced with [[spoiler: the imminent death of his companion]], the Doctor threatens to do this to the immortal Ashildr and her peers using a mixture of enemy races and paramilitary forces. Only a plea from his soon-to-be-lost best friend stops him carrying through with it.

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* In ''Series/DoctorWho'', the Doctor has been implied to have done this on occasion (to the point where he disowned an entire incarnation who be believed did it). In "Face the Raven", when he is betrayed and faced with [[spoiler: the imminent death of his companion]], the Doctor threatens to do this to the [[spoiler: immortal Ashildr Ashildr]] and her peers a street of alien refugees (some of whom are innocents, all hiding from mankind) using a mixture of enemy races and paramilitary forces. Only a plea from his soon-to-be-lost best friend stops him carrying through with it.


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** The Doctor is subsequently forced to undergo ColdBloodedTorture in a lonely, gigantic torture chamber in "Heaven Sent". In the SeasonFinale "Hell Bent" he has escaped, but he is also now an insane WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds. When he confronts the party who captured and tormented him ([[spoiler: Rassilon, leader of '''the Doctor's own people''']]) he shocks everyone by [[spoiler: bloodlessly overthrowing him and banishing him and his underlings from Gallifrey to wherever they can find a home...if any such place exists at that point in time]]. Other characters who know him well accuse him of this trope and DisproportionateRetribution, with a side helping of NoSympathyForGrudgeholders.
14th Jul '16 3:59:09 AM WillBGood
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* ''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo'' operates on this trope. While the original novel presents the count's acts as heroics of a MagnificentBastard, as some [[GankutsuouTheCountOfMonteCristo adaptations]] play them straight, pointing out that the innocent lives destroyed as collateral make the Count no less evil than the ex-friends he seeks revenge on.

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* ''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo'' operates on this trope. While the original novel presents the count's acts as heroics of a MagnificentBastard, as some [[GankutsuouTheCountOfMonteCristo [[Anime/{{Gankutsuou}} adaptations]] play them straight, pointing out that the innocent lives destroyed as collateral make the Count no less evil than the ex-friends he seeks revenge on.
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