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15th Jan '18 4:09:56 PM thatother1dude
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* Common in children's shows for the main characters with special powers to torment bullies. Hey, they deserve it, right?
15th Jan '18 4:09:39 PM thatother1dude
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** Ruthlessly subverted in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}''. Attempt to kill [[ImAHumanitarian the enterprising businessman]] Iguana Bob, and the entire town - including the heavily armed Police Force, the local Mob and visiting caravan drivers - turn hostile and try to retaliate. Your karma meter is also penalized if you choose to spare Bob's life and instead blackmail him over his secret. The secret, I might add, that no one will believe, and over which they will try to kill ''you'' for acting directly!
** In ''VideoGame/Fallout2'', killing bandits raises your Karma meter, which is fair enough. It also goes up when you kill drug dealers and pimps, which still makes sense. But killing 'prostitutes' also raises the Karma meter (not by much, [[DisposableSexWorker but damn]])! It's kinda funny that a character is revered as a great hero for killing masses of whores. [[SarcasmMode Jack the Ripper: Hero of the Wasteland!]]
*** Of course, the Karma boost from killing prostitutes is offset by the Karma drop you get from killing the mobs of civilians who start attacking you because you're publicly gunning people down in the street.

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** Ruthlessly subverted in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}''.''VideoGame/Fallout1''. Attempt to kill [[ImAHumanitarian the enterprising businessman]] Iguana Bob, and the entire town - including the heavily armed Police Force, the local Mob and visiting caravan drivers - turn hostile and try to retaliate. Your karma meter is also penalized if you choose to spare Bob's life and instead blackmail him over his secret. The secret, I might add, that no one will believe, and over which they will try to kill ''you'' for acting directly!
** In ''VideoGame/Fallout2'', killing bandits raises your Karma meter, which is fair enough. It also goes up when you kill drug dealers and pimps, which still makes sense. sense[[labelnote]]Though[[/labelnote]] If you get caught, [[AllianceMeter other people of their faction]] will attack you, and killing them generally ''will'' lower your karma.[[/labelnote]]. But killing 'prostitutes' also raises the Karma meter (not meter--not by much, [[DisposableSexWorker but damn]])! damn]]! It's kinda funny that a character is revered as a great hero for killing masses of whores. [[SarcasmMode Jack the Ripper: Hero of the Wasteland!]]
*** Of course, the Karma boost from killing prostitutes is offset by the Karma drop you get from killing the mobs of civilians who start attacking you because you're publicly gunning people down in the street.
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*** This trope is also played 100% straight, in ''Fallout 3'', ''New Vegas'', and ''Fallout 4'' in the case of Raiders. The laundry list: Kidnapping, banditry, torturing people literally to death, desecrating corpses to the point they aren't always recognizable as human any more, and sexually assaulting the people they capture-just to name a few. Oh, and to even be considered for joining their ranks? You have to prove you're at least as bad as they are. No wonder waltzing in and methodically murdering every last resident of a Raider camp, then stealing everything that isn't bolted down, is never considered a bad thing.

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*** This trope is also played 100% straight, in ''Fallout 3'', ''New Vegas'', and ''Fallout 4'' in the case of Raiders. The laundry list: Kidnapping, banditry, torturing people literally to death, desecrating corpses to the point they aren't always recognizable as human any more, and sexually assaulting the people they capture-just capture--just to name a few. Oh, and to even be considered for joining their ranks? You have to prove you're at least as bad as they are. No wonder waltzing in and methodically murdering every last resident of a Raider camp, then stealing everything that isn't bolted down, is never considered a bad thing.



*** It should be noted that in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' you can also get a perk that gives you a bonus for killing ''good'' characters. It's also one of the few games that punishes ''either'' side of the karma line. If you're evil, the Regulators come after you; if you're good, criminals start hiring the Talon Mercenaries to hunt you down.

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*** It should be noted that in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' ''VideoGame/Fallout3'' you can also get a perk that gives you a bonus for killing ''good'' characters. It's also one of the few games that punishes ''either'' side of the karma line. If you're evil, the Regulators come after you; if you're good, criminals start hiring the Talon Mercenaries to hunt you down.



** Downplayed in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' due to the absence of KarmaMeter, but still present in various storylines and [=NPCs=]:

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** Downplayed in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' Not a part of the gameplay of ''VideoGame/Fallout4'' due to the absence of KarmaMeter, but still present in various storylines and [=NPCs=]:
9th Jan '18 4:34:25 PM Dravencour
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Mr. Incredible kills the villain by causing him to get sucked into his plane's engine. Granted, the villain had previously murdered a great portion of his fellow superheroes, nearly killed his family and tried to kidnap his baby son to raise as a supervillain sidekick, but it's pretty jarring that earlier, he had mocked Incredible for his inability to resort to murder. What makes it worse is that Mr. Incredible did it right in front of [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath his whole family.]] It should be noted, however, that Mr. Incredible did not directly throw the villain into the engine. He threw a car at the plane, and the collision is what threw the villain to his death. The scene remains ambiguous on whether Mr. Incredible did it on purpose or not. Though he still tried to throw a car at Syndrome's face, so arguably it's still this trope. In the [[LicensedGame videogame adaptation]] it's even worse: even prior to Syndrome's StartOfDarkness, Mr. Incredible had little to no problem with '''throwing minor thugs from the roofs of scyscrapers to their doom'''.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Mr. Incredible kills the villain by causing him to get sucked into his plane's engine. Granted, the villain had previously murdered a great portion of his fellow superheroes, nearly killed his family and tried to kidnap his baby son to raise as a supervillain sidekick, but it's pretty jarring that earlier, he had mocked Incredible for his inability to resort to murder. What makes it worse is that Mr. Incredible did it right in front of [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath his whole family.]] It should be noted, however, that Mr. Incredible did not directly throw the villain into the engine. He threw a car at the plane, and the collision is what threw the villain to his death. The scene remains ambiguous on whether Mr. Incredible did it on purpose or not. Though he still tried to throw a car at Syndrome's face, so arguably it's still this trope. In the [[LicensedGame videogame adaptation]] it's even worse: even prior to Syndrome's StartOfDarkness, Mr. Incredible had little to no problem with '''throwing minor thugs from the roofs of scyscrapers skyscrapers to their doom'''.
3rd Jan '18 5:08:01 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''FanFic/ShadowOfTheDragon'': In chapter 18, when Satome kidnaps Tomoyo and tries to rape her, Sakura shows up just in time, kicks him through a wall, and allows the Mirror card to castrate him with glass shards. While Sakura is left guilt-ridden over her part in it, considering he had tried to rape both Tomoyo and Sakura previously, and is confirmed to have raped seven different girls in the next chapter, you won't feel bad for him: Meiling states outright that even if it wasn't the right thing to do, Satome certainly deserved it.
31st Dec '17 8:57:00 PM WanderingBrowser
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* Prior to the 2000s, the island nation of Genosha in ''ComicBook/XMen'' was a brutal place that enslaved its mutant population and treated them horribly. This ultimately led to its downfall in the 1993 "Bloodties" event, when the malevolent Fabian Cortez was able to play on lingering resentment amongst the mutant populace - newly freed after "X-Tinction" - to provoke them to a bloody rebellion. When ComicBook/{{Magneto}} was given dominion over the still war-wracked island in 1999's "Magneto Rex", he sat back and encouraged the mutants to exterminate and expel all of Genosha's native human population, who had profited so much from the misery of its mutants.



** Played straight with our hero, Toxie. He's one of the kindest beings you could ever meet, unless you are a villain. He has a girlfriend, eventual wife, that he is very devoted to. And he does things as big as saving lives to helping someone open a jar or cross the street. But if you're an enemy, [[GoodIsNotNice he'll kill you in a way that makes Freddy Krueger seem nice]]. One example being he holds a robber down by the neck, pours mil and whipped cream into his mouth, then turns on the blender and blends his throat -making a human milkshake.

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** Played straight with our hero, Toxie. He's one of the kindest beings you could ever meet, unless you are a villain. He has a girlfriend, eventual wife, that he is very devoted to. And he does things as big as saving lives to helping someone open a jar or cross the street. But if you're an enemy, [[GoodIsNotNice he'll kill you in a way that makes Freddy Krueger seem nice]]. One example being he holds a robber down by the neck, pours mil milk and whipped cream into his mouth, then turns on the blender and blends his throat -making a human milkshake.
30th Dec '17 2:03:50 PM SteveMB
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Welcome to a special kind of morality where otherwise evil actions are considered okay because [[AssholeVictim the victims deserved it]]. Like all tropes, this can played with any number of ways. It can be [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop played straight]], [[WhatTheHellHero defied]], [[JustifiedCriminal deconstructed]], or [[BlackAndGrayMorality left disquietingly gray]] depending on the author. This one's very common with {{Revenge}} stories in general, since revenge at its core is a viciously [[ItsPersonal personal]] case of Paying Evil Unto Evil, and when one is [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds broken to the core]] by the suffering brought by the evil, even a desperate RevengeByProxy becomes justifiable (or at least it will seem that way to the one taking revenge).

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Welcome to a special kind of morality where otherwise evil actions are considered okay because [[AssholeVictim the victims deserved it]]. Like all tropes, this can played with any number of ways. It can be [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop played straight]], [[WhatTheHellHero defied]], [[JustifiedCriminal deconstructed]], or [[BlackAndGrayMorality left disquietingly gray]] depending on the author. This one's very common with {{Revenge}} stories in general, since revenge at its core is a viciously [[ItsPersonal personal]] case of Paying Evil Unto Evil, and when one is [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds broken to the core]] by the suffering brought by the evil, even a desperate RevengeByProxy becomes justifiable (or at least it will seem that way to the one taking revenge).
revenge). Alternatively, the hero may use such tactics as part of a deliberate and calculated strategy to [[TerrorHero break the villains' morale]].
29th Dec '17 1:08:31 AM at_ease_loser
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* WordOfGod says this is the background for the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUEFxSOVd6A brutal pilot]] of WebOriginal/CauseOfDeath, but the first episode only alludes to the slob [[spoiler: doing ''something'' to the girl in the picture]], but whatever he did, we don't find out, since [[spoiler: he's murdered fast]].
23rd Dec '17 8:03:59 PM HeroGal2347
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Contrast with IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim, TheFarmerAndTheViper, and KickTheSonOfABitch (when the victim in question isn't recognized by the killer for the bad things they've done; the lines may be blurred in cases where the person inflicting harm was, at the core, just looking for someone to hurt and decided to use the victim's scumminess as an excuse to harm them). May overlap with DisproportionateRetribution.

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Contrast with IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim, TheFarmerAndTheViper, and KickTheSonOfABitch (when the victim in question isn't recognized by the killer for the bad things they've done; the lines may be blurred in cases where the person inflicting harm was, at the core, just looking for someone to hurt and [[DogKickingExcuse decided to use the victim's scumminess as an excuse to harm them).them]]). May overlap with DisproportionateRetribution.
12th Dec '17 4:25:43 PM Mdjj1996
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See also VigilanteMan, JustLikeRobinHood, SerialKillerKiller, UnscrupulousHero, WifeBasherBasher, and KarmicThief.

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See also VigilanteMan, JustLikeRobinHood, SerialKillerKiller, UnscrupulousHero, WifeBasherBasher, KarmicThief, and KarmicThief.
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4th Dec '17 4:15:48 AM Chabal2
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*** The other two ringleaders (who happen to be the fuel-doused one's son and daughter) were also disposed of in very graphic ways. The daughter was thrown against a shatterproof window face-first multiple times till ''the window frame broke'', making her do a swan dive many stories high. Her brother ended up getting drugged, dragged out into the wilderness, his stomach slit open, and hung from his own entrails on a tree branch. [[spoiler:Then Frank '''WOKE HIM UP''' before letting him bleed out.]]

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*** The other two ringleaders (who happen to be (one of which is the fuel-doused one's son and daughter) son) were also disposed of in very graphic ways. The daughter woman responsible for the more practical aspects (such as having the girls raped for twenty-four hours so they don't even think of rebelling) was thrown against a shatterproof window face-first multiple times till ''the window frame broke'', making her do a swan dive many stories high. Her brother The son ended up getting drugged, dragged out into the wilderness, his stomach slit open, and hung from his own entrails on a tree branch. [[spoiler:Then Frank '''WOKE HIM UP''' before letting him bleed out.]]


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** Nicky Cavella digs up the Punisher's family and pisses on their bones, believing this will enrage Frank and make him easier to kill. Instead, Frank hits every Mafia operation ''even harder'' until Cavella is abandoned by his own troops, realizing how useless he is, and Frank leaves him to die over several dies of a gutshot wound.
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