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* Get the hit just right, and it's possible to OneHitKill the final form of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening's'' final boss with the boomerang.

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* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'':
** In ''VideoGame/ZeldaIITheAdventureOfLink'', Carock is impossible to beat without the Reflect Spell, which can throw players for a loop since they're used to the whole swordfighting requirement of the game. Thunderbird is also impossible to beat without the Thunder Spell, since it will be invincible to sword strikes unless it is somehow weakened.
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Get the hit just right, and it's possible to OneHitKill the final form of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening's'' final boss with the boomerang.
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* Mike Brezinski excels at this in The Stuart Gibbs “Spy School” series. For instance, shortly after being recruited He received both ire and admiration for running around the non-lethal DeathCourse rather than charging through it, arguing that in the field they’d be expected to go for something safer and easier rather than just blindly charge at a booby trap and depend on their reflexes. Even the DrillSergeantNasty gym coach is unable to argue with this despite clearly being mad at Mike for not braving the course.

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* Mike Brezinski excels at this in The Stuart Gibbs “Spy School” “Literature/SpySchool” series. For instance, shortly after being recruited He received both ire and admiration for running around the non-lethal DeathCourse rather than charging through it, arguing that in the field they’d be expected to go for something safer and easier rather than just blindly charge at a booby trap and depend on their reflexes. Even the DrillSergeantNasty gym coach is unable to argue with this despite clearly being mad at Mike for not braving the course.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Civilization}} VI'': Scythia is a terrifying war machine and becomes strong only a few eras in, not giving a lot of time to prepare when you'll be trying to settle your own cities. If you can get a chance meeting early enough, though, being diplomatically nice to their leader gives you the chance to declare an official friendship between your civilization and Scythia before they attack you. Friends can't attack friends anyway, but this is especially effective on Scythia because their leader is coded to especially value civs that have declared themselves as her official friend. In other words, once she's your diplomatic ally she'll never change her mind about it - and for the cost of a few diplomatic tributes, her terrifying power spike will completely pass you by.
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* Mike Brezinski excels at this in The Stuart Gibbs “Spy School” series. For instance, shortly after being recruited He received both ire and admiration for running around the non-lethal DeathCourse rather than charging through it, arguing that in the field they’d be expected to go for something safer and easier rather than just blindly charge at a booby trap and depend on their reflexes. Even the DrillSergeantNasty gym coach is unable to argue with this despite clearly being mad at Mike for not braving the course.
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* This can occasionally come up in ''Manga/OnePiece,'' [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower along with unexpected strengths]], when a Devil Fruit power sometimes provides an unforeseen advantage against another power. Since the powers themselves don't change as time goes on, their users have to figure out more creative ways to use the powers they already have (such as how Luffy exploited his rubber body to develop the Gear techniques). Being able to do this is also stated as one of the marks of a strong fruit user.
** Low-tier villain Mr. 3, whose power to create objects out of wax, ends up temporarily providing the single best countermeasure against poisonous ImplacableMan Magellan.

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This can occasionally come up in ''Manga/OnePiece,'' in [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower along with unexpected strengths]], when a Devil Fruit power sometimes provides an unforeseen advantage against another power. Since the powers themselves don't change as time goes on, their users have to figure out more creative ways to use the powers they already have (such as how Luffy exploited his rubber body to develop the Gear techniques). Being able to do this is also stated as one of the marks of a strong fruit user. \n** Low-tier As one prominent example, low-tier villain Mr. 3, whose power to who can create objects out of wax, ends up temporarily providing the single best countermeasure against poisonous ImplacableMan {{Implacable|Man}} PoisonousPerson Magellan.



* A large draw of ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'' is their sheer frequency. Rather than [[OnceAnEpisode Once a Chapter]] every now and then, they happen ''constantly''. The manga owes its title in part to the strange powers both the antagonists and the protagonists have, so the mangaka, Hirohiko Araki, spends a lot of time and energy making them into [[HeartISAnAwesomePower viable]], [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer practical]] powers.

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* A large draw of ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'' ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' is their sheer frequency. Rather than [[OnceAnEpisode Once a Chapter]] every now and then, they happen ''constantly''. The manga owes its title in part to the strange powers both the antagonists and the protagonists have, so the mangaka, Hirohiko Araki, spends a lot of time and energy making them into [[HeartISAnAwesomePower viable]], [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer practical]] powers.
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* One of the main traits of Ash Ketchum, the protagonist of ''Anime/Pokemon''. Many times, Ash does things perceived as impossible to other trainers (in and out universe) that generally wins him a lot of battles, even before the oponent can even process what he actually did!

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* One of the main traits of Ash Ketchum, the protagonist of ''Anime/Pokemon''.the ''Pokémon'' anime. Many times, Ash does things perceived as impossible to other trainers (in and out universe) that generally wins him a lot of battles, even before the oponent can even process what he actually did!
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* One of the main traits of Ash Ketchum, the protagonist of ''Anime/Pokemon''. Many times, Ash does things perceived as impossible to other trainers (in and out universe) that generally wins him a lot of battles, even before the oponent can even process what he actually did!
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* In three occasions in ''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures'' the heroes had to face an Evronian SuperSoldier who doesn't need external equipment to [[EmotionEater drain and feed off his opponent's emotions]], and get defeated in novel ways:
** The first time is when Paperinik faces [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Trauma]], who, aside for having SuperStrength and [[NighInvulnerable taking a rocket to the chest without much damage]], can cause paralyzing fear in his opponents and feed off it, transforming his victims into [[SlaveMook coolflames]]. Paperinik defeats him by ''conquering his own fear'', with the accidental side effect of scaring the crap out of Trauma and [[{{Depower}} depowering him]].

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* In On three occasions in ''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures'' the heroes had to face an Evronian SuperSoldier who doesn't need external equipment to [[EmotionEater drain and feed off his opponent's emotions]], and get defeated in novel ways:
** The first time is when Paperinik faces [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Trauma]], who, aside for from having SuperStrength and [[NighInvulnerable taking a rocket to the chest without much damage]], can cause paralyzing fear in his opponents and feed off it, transforming his victims into [[SlaveMook coolflames]]. Paperinik defeats him by ''conquering his own fear'', with the accidental side effect of scaring the crap out of Trauma and [[{{Depower}} depowering him]].



** The third happens in a WhatIf story, where Paperinik and American troops have to fight super strong Evronians with accelerated metabolism that feed off negative emotions. When their prototype blabs out too much, Paperinik realizes all they have to do is to stop fighting and start thinking about nice and happy things, resulting in the Evronians literally ''starving to death''.

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** The third happens in a WhatIf story, where Paperinik and American troops have to fight super strong Evronians with accelerated metabolism that feed off negative emotions. When their prototype [[SayingTooMuch blabs out too much, much]], Paperinik realizes all they have to do is to stop fighting and [[ThinkHappyThoughts start thinking about nice and happy things, things]], resulting in the Evronians literally ''starving to death''.
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Compare EasyLevelTrick, where knowing the secrets about a level would makes the said level easier, which may involve outside-the-box thinking. Contrast LogicalWeakness, when it's immediately apparent what needs to be done, UnexpectedlyRealisticGameplay, where the tactic ''shouldn't'' be outside-the-box, but is thanks to defying game logic, and CombinatorialExplosion, which defines the game's limitations of finding different ways to achieve a goal, which outside-the-box tactics defy.

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Compare EasyLevelTrick, where knowing the secrets about a level would makes the said level it easier, which may involve outside-the-box thinking. Contrast LogicalWeakness, when it's immediately apparent what needs to be done, UnexpectedlyRealisticGameplay, where the tactic ''shouldn't'' be outside-the-box, but is thanks to defying game logic, and CombinatorialExplosion, which defines the game's limitations of finding different ways to achieve a goal, which outside-the-box tactics defy.
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* ''VideoGame/RabiRibi'' has [[spoiler: Miriam]], a DittoFighter boss who gains a new attack pattern for every item Erina has in her inventory, and who copies the majority of the effects of all badges she has equipped. How do you defeat a boss who has item you have? [[MinimalistRun By getting to her with as few items as possible.]] Failing that (since no one would ever do that on their first run,) there's deequipping all your badges to prevent her from getting the buffs, and figuring out which ones she can't copy (or better yet, equipping ones like Atk Trade and Health Wager that decrease your defense and health in exchange for increasing your attack and mana, since she also copies the negative effects.) There's the one thing she can't copy: temporary buffs from townsfolk. Go to [[spoiler: Miru]] and shell out 25k EN to get every buff in the game and go full aggro on her.
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** Your character's default form in both ZX games can duck, and bringing up the selection wheel pauses the game. This is handy against shots and attacks aimed at your head; just unmorph, duck the shot, then morph back.

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** Your character's default form in both ZX games can duck, and bringing which almost none of your Megamerged forms can without dashing. Bringing up the selection wheel to change forms pauses the game. This is handy against shots and attacks aimed at your head; just unmorph, duck the shot, then morph back.
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** In ''VideoGame/FinaFantasyII'', a similar exploit of low-power spell interactions occurs when you cast Wall on the FinalBoss followed by Toad. The Wall blocks the Toad, but in a way that has the spell animation still go off - end result: Emperor Mateus, Lord of Hell, is subject to a wholly unintended BalefulPolymorph and hops off the screen to Firion's victory.

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** In ''VideoGame/FinaFantasyII'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyII'', a similar exploit of low-power spell interactions occurs when you cast Wall on the FinalBoss followed by Toad. The Wall blocks the Toad, but in a way that has the spell animation still go off - end result: Emperor Mateus, Lord of Hell, is subject to a wholly unintended BalefulPolymorph and hops off the screen to Firion's victory.
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*** Not even the FinalBoss is 100% immune to [=FEAR=].
** In ''VideoGame/FinaFantasyII'', a similar exploit of low-power spell interactions occurs when you cast Wall on the FinalBoss followed by Toad. The Wall blocks the Toad, but in a way that has the spell animation still go off - end result: Emperor Mateus, Lord of Hell, is subject to a wholly unintended BalefulPolymorph and hops off the screen to Firion's victory.
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** Lance can be defeated by [[spoiler:bringing him down to low health, blowing up his tank, and using Natalie's 7th Heaven]].

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* In ''[[VideoGame/EpicBattleFantasy Epic Battle Fantasy 5]]'', you start off controlling just Matt, and the other party members join [[DefeatMeansFriendship after you defeat them in battle]]. Each of those battles, however, has an alternate strategy that lets you win without beating the other character to a pulp, something that's even hinted at in the game's medal descriptions. Natalie, for example, can be defeated by [[spoiler:having [=NoLegs=] use a skill to give himself and Matt the Lovable status, charming Natalie enough that she forgets why you were even fighting]].

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* In ''[[VideoGame/EpicBattleFantasy Epic Battle Fantasy 5]]'', ''VideoGame/EpicBattleFantasy5'', you start off controlling just Matt, and the other party members join [[DefeatMeansFriendship after you defeat them in battle]]. Each of those battles, however, has an alternate strategy that lets you win without beating the other character to a pulp, something that's even hinted at in the game's medal descriptions. Natalie, for example, descriptions.
** [=NoLegs=] can be defeated by [[spoiler:hitting him with Matt's water attack]]. (This one is simple enough that you'll probably blunder into it in normal gameplay.)
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can be defeated by [[spoiler:having [=NoLegs=] use a skill to give himself and Matt the Lovable status, charming Natalie enough that she forgets why you were even fighting]].fighting]].
** Anna can be defeated by [[spoiler:bringing her down to low health and inflicting her with status effects]].
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* In the ending chapter of ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn]]'', the [[ImplacableMan Black Knight]] can be easily beaten by forgoing use of the InfinityPlusOneSword in favor of [[ArmorPiercingAttack using a common]] [[DropTheHammer Hammer]]. [[ThatOneBoss Ike's]] poor resistance can also be exploited by a Sleep staff on 3-13.

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* In the ending chapter of ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn]]'', ''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn'', the [[ImplacableMan Black Knight]] can be easily beaten by forgoing use of the InfinityPlusOneSword in favor of [[ArmorPiercingAttack using a common]] [[DropTheHammer Hammer]]. [[ThatOneBoss Ike's]] poor resistance can also be exploited by a Sleep staff on 3-13.
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-->''Okay, but I'm still not hearing enough ideas. She's a god, let's think outside the box.''

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-->''Okay, ->''Okay, but I'm still not hearing enough ideas. She's a god, let's think outside the box.''
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** Ender does this sort of thing a *lot*. In Battle School, the most common training situation is to have two armies of cadets in a zero-g environment, trying to incapacitate every member of the other army. Once you've done this, you make your victory official by going to the enemy's "gate" (which is deep in their territory) so the computer will register your victory. At one point, Ender goes straight for the gate even though the enemy army hasn't been defeated yet. The computer counts this as win, to everyone's surprise. The instructors mention that they'll reprogram the computer to make sure this doesn't happen again.
** In a third example, [[spoiler: Ender is commanding a fleet of ships for a "simulation" (actually it's real)]] and he's given a weapon called the M.D. device. If you zap something with this device, it will explode, and anything nearby will also explode in the same way, potentially setting off a chain reaction. The idea is to get a bunch of enemy ships in one spot, then him one of them with the M.D. device so you can destroy a bunch of ships in one shot. At the end of his campagin, Ender's forces reach the enemy homeworld. Instead of attacking enemy fighters, Ender shoots the ''planet'' with his M.D. device, destroying the entire thing.]]

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** Ender does this sort of thing a *lot*.''lot''. In Battle School, the most common training situation is to have two armies of cadets in a zero-g environment, trying to incapacitate every member of the other army. Once you've done this, you make your victory official by going to the enemy's "gate" (which is deep in their territory) so the computer will register your victory. At one point, Ender goes straight for the gate even though the enemy army hasn't been defeated yet. The computer counts this as win, to everyone's surprise. The instructors mention that they'll reprogram the computer to make sure this doesn't happen again.
** In a third example, [[spoiler: Ender is commanding a fleet of ships for a "simulation" (actually it's real)]] real) and he's given a weapon called the M.D. device. If you zap something with this device, it will explode, and anything nearby will also explode in the same way, potentially setting off a chain reaction. The idea is to get a bunch of enemy ships in one spot, then him one of them with the M.D. device so you can destroy a bunch of ships in one shot. At the end of his campagin, Ender's forces reach the enemy homeworld. Instead of attacking enemy fighters, Ender shoots the ''planet'' with his M.D. device, destroying the entire thing.]]
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** Ender does this sort of thing a *lot*. In Battle School, the most common training situation is to have two armies of cadets in a zero-g environment, trying to incapacitate every member of the other army. Once you've done this, you make your victory official by going to the enemy's "gate" (which is deep in their territory) so the computer will register your victory. At one point, Ender goes straight for the gate even though the enemy army hasn't been defeated yet. The computer counts this as win, to everyone's surprise. The instructors mention that they'll reprogram the computer to make sure this doesn't happen again.
** In a third example, [[spoiler: Ender is commanding a fleet of ships for a "simulation" (actually it's real)]] and he's given a weapon called the M.D. device. If you zap something with this device, it will explode, and anything nearby will also explode in the same way, potentially setting off a chain reaction. The idea is to get a bunch of enemy ships in one spot, then him one of them with the M.D. device so you can destroy a bunch of ships in one shot. At the end of his campagin, Ender's forces reach the enemy homeworld. Instead of attacking enemy fighters, Ender shoots the ''planet'' with his M.D. device, destroying the entire thing.]]
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* In ''ComicBook/XMen'', Sebastian Shaw absorbs any kinetic energy directed at him, even a bullet, so Storm covers him in snow, [[YouFailPhysicsForever which actually saps his energy, due to cold being a lack of said energy.]]

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* In ''ComicBook/XMen'', Sebastian Shaw absorbs any kinetic energy directed at him, even a bullet, so Storm covers him in snow, [[YouFailPhysicsForever [[ArtisticLicensePhysics which actually saps his energy, due to cold being a lack of said energy.]]
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'', Shondra Kinsolving had the ability to heal using HealingHands, but when combined with her stepbrother, she and he could kill anyone from afar by healing them ''too much'', putting the victim's glands and nervous system on fatal overdrive.

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* In ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'', Shondra Kinsolving had the ability to heal using HealingHands, but when combined with her stepbrother, she and he could kill anyone from afar by healing them ''too much'', putting and the victim's glands and nervous system on heart goes into a fatal overdrive.
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-->''Okay, but I'm still not hearing enough ideas. She's a God, let's think outside the box.''

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-->''Okay, but I'm still not hearing enough ideas. She's a God, let's think outside the box.''
-->-- '''Anya''', ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', "The Gift"
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Xenonauts}}'', Earth scientists are presented with the challenge of stopping an invincible armada sent by an alien empire the size of a galactic arm to conquer this InsignificantLittleBluePlanet. Their solution? [[spoiler:Research FasterThanLight travel to create not a drive for a ship, but instead to create a huge elaborate device which scrambles all alien drives within a one thousand light year radius. Any other alien race looking to try and invade Earth again will need to send the fleet at sublight speed, which could take hundreds or even ''thousands'' of years of highly energy intensive travel. Nothing on Earth could possibly be worth it.]]
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** Usopp becomes a master of this sort of strategy, employing bizarre gadgets and illusions to trick his opponents into submission. He defeated the CuteGhostGirl Perona by hitting her with... a balloon. A balloon shaped like a ten-ton hammer, and she passed out from fear. Despite being one of the weakest crew members, he still gets a reputation as being a physical god thanks to his bluffing strategies.
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* This can occasionally come up in ''Manga/OnePiece,'' [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower along with unexpected strengths,]] when a Devil Fruit power sometimes provides an unforeseen advantage against another power. Since the powers themselves don't change as time goes on, their users have to figure out more creative ways to use the powers they already have (such as how Luffy exploited his rubber body to develop the Gear techniques). Being able to do this is also stated as one of the marks of a strong fruit user.

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* This can occasionally come up in ''Manga/OnePiece,'' [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower along with unexpected strengths,]] strengths]], when a Devil Fruit power sometimes provides an unforeseen advantage against another power. Since the powers themselves don't change as time goes on, their users have to figure out more creative ways to use the powers they already have (such as how Luffy exploited his rubber body to develop the Gear techniques). Being able to do this is also stated as one of the marks of a strong fruit user.
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*** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX:'' Inflict Blind on Ozma. It only uses magic, so it should not impede his performance, but he wastes time curing it anyway. Such time wasting strategies are often the best to beat it. Also, Vivi and Amarant using [[AttackReflector Return Magic]] to send his [[ColonyDrop Dooms]][[TakingYouWithMe day]] back at the source; a true TacticalSuicideBoss.

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*** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX:'' Inflict Blind on Ozma. It only uses magic, so it should not impede his performance, but he wastes time curing it anyway. Such time wasting strategies are often the best to beat it. Also, Vivi and Amarant using [[AttackReflector Return Magic]] to send his [[ColonyDrop Dooms]][[TakingYouWithMe day]] Doomsday]] back at the source; a true TacticalSuicideBoss.
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* In ''[[VideoGame/EpicBattleFantasy Epic Battle Fantasy 5]]'', you start off controlling just Matt, and the other party members join [[DefeatMeansFriendship after you defeat them in battle]]. Each of those battles, however, has an alternate strategy that lets you win without beating the other character to a pulp, something that's even hinted at in the game's medal descriptions. Natalie, for example, can be defeated by [[spoiler:having [=NoLegs=] use a skill to give himself and Matt the Lovable status, charming Natalie enough that she forgets why you were even fighting]].

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