History Main / OrphanedEtymology

18th Jan '17 12:48:41 PM RacattackForce
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' takes place in an AlternateHistory and in a fictional U.S. state known as Delmarva, due to being set on the Delmarva Peninsula. This is despite said peninsula's name being a clipped compound of the three real states that actually occupy it: Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia. And the less said about UsefulNotes/TheMiddleEast never existing[[note]]Amongst the ''many'' geographical differences between Steven's Earth and our own is that what would be the Arab World is just a large sea.[[/note]] [[FridgeLogic the better]].

to:

* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' takes place in an AlternateHistory and in a fictional U.S. state known as Delmarva, due to being set on the Delmarva Peninsula. This is despite said peninsula's name being a clipped compound of the three real states that actually occupy it: Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia. And the less said about UsefulNotes/TheMiddleEast never existing[[note]]Amongst the ''many'' geographical differences between Steven's Earth and our own is that what would be the Arab World is just a large sea.[[/note]] [[FridgeLogic the better]].
18th Jan '17 12:46:19 PM RacattackForce
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' takes place in an AlternateHistory and in a fictional U.S. state known as Delmarva, due to being set on the Delmarva Peninsula. This is despite said peninsula's name being a clipped compound of the three real states that actually occupy it: Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia.

to:

* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' takes place in an AlternateHistory and in a fictional U.S. state known as Delmarva, due to being set on the Delmarva Peninsula. This is despite said peninsula's name being a clipped compound of the three real states that actually occupy it: Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia. And the less said about UsefulNotes/TheMiddleEast never existing[[note]]Amongst the ''many'' geographical differences between Steven's Earth and our own is that what would be the Arab World is just a large sea.[[/note]] [[FridgeLogic the better]].
17th Jan '17 4:51:56 AM ergeis
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** There's also dwarf referring to little people. In the real world, dwarfism is named after the mythological dwarves because of their alleged short stature. Despite being fantasy, there doesn't seem to be any indication that dwarves exist in Westeros to inspire the name.
17th Jan '17 4:47:33 AM ergeis
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* First episode ''Anime/AkameGaKill'' has someone being called a Good Samaritan. What most people don't know is that Samaritans are a real life religious group who are the reason why we have the phrase Good Samaritan.
14th Jan '17 10:02:36 PM WaterBlap
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** On a similar note, one of the protoss characters from the first game is called Fenix, and ''VideoGame/StarcraftII'' introduces a new protoss unit, the Phoenix. All of this without them ever having any contact with [[ClassicalMythology greek mythology]].

to:

** On a similar note, one of the protoss characters from the first game is called Fenix, and ''VideoGame/StarcraftII'' introduces a new protoss unit, the Phoenix. All of this without them ever having any contact with [[ClassicalMythology [[Myth/ClassicalMythology greek mythology]].
13th Jan '17 5:12:14 AM Omeganian
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* As noted in the RealityIsUnrealistic page, some people like to claim that things set in the Soviet era where the characters exclaim "My God!" or the like are an example of this trope since a common stereotype for the Soviet Union is complete atheism. Even ignoring the fact that such terms would still linger as holdovers for a long time to come (and the fact that atheists are perfectly capable of using religious swears, even if they don't believe in them), there's also the fact that the USSR never became completely irreligious. Despite attempts at its inception to enforce atheism, the sheer cultural and political influence of the Russian Orthodox Church in general made it impossible to ever completely implement. Then Stalin reduced the anti-religious regulation to get the Russian Orthodox Church on his side in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. And though Khrushchev tried to re-implement said regulations, from the Brezhnev era onward they were again relaxed. A [[https://youtu.be/NgUpPIMn7J0?t=3m 1964 kids cartoon]] has on old lady blessing the proragonist with a cross sign, and no one seems to have had any problems with it.

to:

* As noted in the RealityIsUnrealistic page, some people like to claim that things set in the Soviet era where the characters exclaim "My God!" or the like are an example of this trope since a common stereotype for the Soviet Union is complete atheism. Even ignoring the fact that such terms would still linger as holdovers for a long time to come (and the fact that atheists are perfectly capable of using religious swears, even if they don't believe in them), there's also the fact that the USSR never became completely irreligious. Despite attempts at its inception to enforce atheism, the sheer cultural and political influence of the Russian Orthodox Church in general made it impossible to ever completely implement. Then Stalin reduced the anti-religious regulation to get the Russian Orthodox Church on his side in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. And though Khrushchev tried to re-implement said regulations, from the Brezhnev era onward they were again relaxed. A [[https://youtu.be/NgUpPIMn7J0?t=3m 1964 kids cartoon]] cartoon taking place in Soviet times]] has on old lady blessing the proragonist protagonist with a cross sign, and no one seems to have had any problems with it.
13th Jan '17 5:10:55 AM Omeganian
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* As noted in the RealityIsUnrealistic page, some people like to claim that things set in the Soviet era where the characters exclaim "My God!" or the like are an example of this trope since a common stereotype for the Soviet Union is complete atheism. Even ignoring the fact that such terms would still linger as holdovers for a long time to come (and the fact that atheists are perfectly capable of using religious swears, even if they don't believe in them), there's also the fact that the USSR never became completely irreligious. Despite attempts at its inception to enforce atheism, the sheer cultural and political influence of the Russian Orthodox Church in general made it impossible to ever completely implement. Then Stalin reduced the anti-religious regulation to get the Russian Orthodox Church on his side in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. And though Khrushchev tried to re-implement said regulations, from the Brezhnev era onward they were again relaxed.

to:

* As noted in the RealityIsUnrealistic page, some people like to claim that things set in the Soviet era where the characters exclaim "My God!" or the like are an example of this trope since a common stereotype for the Soviet Union is complete atheism. Even ignoring the fact that such terms would still linger as holdovers for a long time to come (and the fact that atheists are perfectly capable of using religious swears, even if they don't believe in them), there's also the fact that the USSR never became completely irreligious. Despite attempts at its inception to enforce atheism, the sheer cultural and political influence of the Russian Orthodox Church in general made it impossible to ever completely implement. Then Stalin reduced the anti-religious regulation to get the Russian Orthodox Church on his side in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. And though Khrushchev tried to re-implement said regulations, from the Brezhnev era onward they were again relaxed. A [[https://youtu.be/NgUpPIMn7J0?t=3m 1964 kids cartoon]] has on old lady blessing the proragonist with a cross sign, and no one seems to have had any problems with it.
11th Jan '17 11:54:24 PM PaulA
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* 1980 ''Film/FlashGordon'':

to:

* 1980 ''Film/FlashGordon'':''Film/{{Flash Gordon|1980}}'':
21st Dec '16 1:04:59 PM StFan
Is there an issue? Send a Message





!!Examples

to:

!!Examples
!!Examples:



[[folder:Anime]]
* In the English dub of ''Anime/InuYasha'', there's an episode where he remarks, "We've all got our own cross to bear." This is set before Christianity was introduced to Japan.

to:

[[folder:Anime]]
[[folder:Anime & Manga]]
* ''Anime/InuYasha'':
**
In the English dub of ''Anime/InuYasha'', dub, there's an episode where he remarks, "We've all got our own cross to bear." This is set before Christianity was introduced to Japan.



* In Viz's translation of Manga/OnePiece, Crocodile comments that Luffy is "a dime a dozen", even though One Piece uses its own fictional currency called Berries.

to:

* In Viz's translation of Manga/OnePiece, ''Manga/OnePiece'', Crocodile comments that Luffy is "a dime a dozen", even though One Piece uses its own fictional currency called Berries.



* The ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime is more prone to referencing locations that may or may not exist in [[FantasyCounterpartCulture this universe's version of Earth]] than the games do, most commonly in the dub and [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness early seasons]].
** Regardless, many Pokémon are described as being similar to a certain animal. For example, Pikachu is the "Mouse Pokémon." And yet, there are no examples of there being actual mice in-universe.

to:

* The ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime is more prone to referencing locations that may or may not exist in [[FantasyCounterpartCulture this universe's version of Earth]] than the games do, most commonly in the dub and [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness early seasons]].
**
seasons]]. Regardless, many Pokémon are described as being similar to a certain animal. For example, Pikachu is the "Mouse Pokémon." And yet, there are no examples of there being actual mice in-universe.



** ''Asterix and the Actress" used the expression "drunk as a skunk". Skunks are native to the Americas.

to:

** ''Asterix and the Actress" Actress'' used the expression "drunk as a skunk". Skunks are native to the Americas.



* ''Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers'' features artificial life forms called the Alephs, who were created millions of years ago by the first sentient species in the universe. It isn't explained how they could be named after the first letter of Earth's Semitic languages, which didn't exist when the Alephs first came around.

to:

* ''Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers'' ''ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers'' features artificial life forms called the Alephs, who were created millions of years ago by the first sentient species in the universe. It isn't explained how they could be named after the first letter of Earth's Semitic languages, which didn't exist when the Alephs first came around.



* ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings: The Two Towers'' has soldiers being ordered to loose arrows with the command "Fire!," despite the pre-firearms setting.
** This is a ''subtitle'' error - the Elvish command is, correctly, "Loose!"
* In ''Film/StarWars'', as an ''Webcomic/{{Xkcd}}'' strip points out, they really shouldn't know what a 'falcon' is. Han's "I'll see you in hell" from ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' often raises the question "Why does he know that concept?", but the Star Wars setting ''has'' afterlife beliefs, and ''lots'' of cultures have a conception of the Land of the Dead that is [[TranslationConvention most conveniently put into English]] as "hell". [[note]] Hell comes from the Germanic goddess of the dead as well as the realm that she ruled over. Use in a Christian context comes from translating the word "Hades" in the New Testament.[[/note]]
** Interestingly, humans aren't the only Earthly creatures to appear in ''Star Wars''. Things such as cats, cows, etc. sometimes show up in the canon. The strip may also be evoking a different take on the subject--in the novelization, Obi-Wan notes that even a duck must learn to swim. Having grown up on Tatooine, Luke has no clue about any waterfowl even existing, let alone ducks. So for all we know, the ship may well be named after what we Earthlings know as a falcon. The nature of the connection between our insignificant little planet and the Star Wars galaxy is left to the imagination (or fanfic).

to:

* ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings: The Two Towers'' has soldiers being ordered to loose arrows with the command "Fire!," despite the pre-firearms setting.
**
setting. This is a ''subtitle'' error - -- the Elvish command is, correctly, "Loose!"
* In ''Film/StarWars'', as ''Film/StarWars'':
** As
an ''Webcomic/{{Xkcd}}'' strip points out, they really shouldn't know what a 'falcon' "falcon" is. Han's "I'll see you in hell" from ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' often raises the question "Why does he know that concept?", but the Star Wars setting ''has'' afterlife beliefs, and ''lots'' of cultures have a conception of the Land of the Dead that is [[TranslationConvention most conveniently put into English]] as "hell". [[note]] Hell comes from the Germanic goddess of the dead as well as the realm that she ruled over. Use in a Christian context comes from translating the word "Hades" in the New Testament.[[/note]]
** Interestingly, humans aren't the only Earthly creatures to appear in ''Star Wars''. Things such as cats, cows, etc. sometimes show up in the canon. The strip may also be evoking a different take on the subject--in subject -- in the novelization, Obi-Wan notes that even a duck must learn to swim. Having grown up on Tatooine, Luke has no clue about any waterfowl even existing, let alone ducks. So for all we know, the ship may well be named after what we Earthlings know as a falcon. The nature of the connection between our insignificant little planet and the Star Wars galaxy is left to the imagination (or fanfic).



-->'''Ben''': Even a duck has to be taught to swim.\\
'''Luke''': What's a duck?

to:

-->'''Ben''': -->'''Ben:''' Even a duck has to be taught to swim.\\
'''Luke''': '''Luke:''' What's a duck?



* Lampshaded repeatedly in ''VoidDogs'', including a self-deprecating reference to an "early 21st century writer" who was notorious for her insistence on lampshading Orphaned Etymology.

to:

* Lampshaded repeatedly in ''VoidDogs'', ''Literature/VoidDogs'', including a self-deprecating reference to an "early 21st century writer" who was notorious for her insistence on lampshading Orphaned Etymology.






* In the British wartime sitcom ''Chickens'', the characters refer to the war as World War I. In real life, it was called the Great War at that time.
** A very mild case of AluminumChristmasTrees: Some more cynical writers of the era doubted that it could truly be "the war to end all wars" and reasoned that if there's already one World War, there might as well be another.

to:

* In the British wartime sitcom ''Chickens'', the characters refer to the war as World War I. In real life, it was called the Great War at that time.
**
time. A very mild case of AluminumChristmasTrees: Some more cynical writers of the era doubted that it could truly be "the war to end all wars" and reasoned that if there's already one World War, there might as well be another.



* Beautifully lampshaded in a sketch from ''Series/ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'':
-->'''Prehistoric policeman:''' This stone crime, it's rampant. Sometimes I wonder whether the whole advance into stone technology hasn't been a bit of a double-edged sword.
-->'''Prehistoric policewoman:''' Double-edged what?
-->'''Prehistoric policeman:''' I don't know.

to:

* Beautifully lampshaded in a sketch from ''Series/ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'':
-->'''Prehistoric ** Beautifully lampshaded in a sketch:
--->'''Prehistoric
policeman:''' This stone crime, it's rampant. Sometimes I wonder whether the whole advance into stone technology hasn't been a bit of a double-edged sword.
-->'''Prehistoric
sword.\\
'''Prehistoric
policewoman:''' Double-edged what?
-->'''Prehistoric
what?\\
'''Prehistoric
policeman:''' I don't know.



** In ''DarkSoulsIII'' you can find several religious tomes written in braille for the benefit of {{Blind Seer}}s, even though the word "braille" is a reference to the writing system's inventor in our world. Notably this was absent in the original Japanese, where it was simply called "dot-writing".

to:

** In ''DarkSoulsIII'' ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'' you can find several religious tomes written in braille for the benefit of {{Blind Seer}}s, even though the word "braille" is a reference to the writing system's inventor in our world. Notably this was absent in the original Japanese, where it was simply called "dot-writing".



[[folder:Webcomics]]

to:

[[folder:Webcomics]][[folder:Web Comics]]



-->'''AltText''': Hamlet has to say "record scratch" because records aren't invented yet so you can't make the sound otherwise, HOW IS THIS NOT OBVIOUS
* In one of the ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' strips appearing in ''Dragon Magazine'', Durkon accuses Vaarsuvius of being a GrammarNazi, using the phrase "Uptight English teacher". Vaarsuvius responds with confusion at the word 'English' since the language they are speaking is actually 'Common'.

to:

-->'''AltText''': -->'''AltText:''' Hamlet has to say "record scratch" because records aren't invented yet so you can't make the sound otherwise, HOW IS THIS NOT OBVIOUS
* In one of the ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' strips appearing in ''Dragon Magazine'', Durkon accuses Vaarsuvius of being a GrammarNazi, using the phrase "Uptight English teacher". Vaarsuvius responds with confusion at the word 'English' "English" since the language they are speaking is actually 'Common'."Common".



* ''Webcomic/AwfulHospital'': Celia says that "a hungry Moldsucker slithers like ''lightning''", although she would never have experienced lightning given that she lives [[spoiler: inside a human corpse]]. This is promptly [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in the following exchange:
--> '''Fern''': ...how exactly do you know what lightning is?
--> '''Celia''': Why wouldn't I?
--> '''Fern''': Becau...never mind. Don't want to know.

to:

* ''Webcomic/AwfulHospital'': Celia says that "a hungry Moldsucker slithers like ''lightning''", although she would never have experienced lightning given that she lives [[spoiler: inside [[spoiler:inside a human corpse]]. This is promptly [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in the following exchange:
--> '''Fern''': ...-->'''Fern:''' ...how exactly do you know what lightning is?
--> '''Celia''':
is?\\
'''Celia:'''
Why wouldn't I?
--> '''Fern''':
I?\\
'''Fern:'''
Becau...never mind. Don't want to know.



* Similarly to the ''Discworld'' example above, {{Website/Neopets}} has gypsies despite there being no Egypt to derive their name from -- the equivalent is called the Lost Desert.

to:

* Similarly to the ''Discworld'' example above, {{Website/Neopets}} Website/{{Neopets}} has gypsies despite there being no Egypt to derive their name from -- the equivalent is called the Lost Desert.



*** In the same episode, Twilight calls Spike "Theatre/{{Romeo|AndJuliet}}". Perhaps there was some pony version of Creator/WilliamShakespeare?

to:

*** ** In the same episode, Twilight calls Spike "Theatre/{{Romeo|AndJuliet}}". Perhaps there was some pony version of Creator/WilliamShakespeare?Creator/WilliamShakespeare?
** Likewise, in the very first episode, after Spike acts all enamored toward Rarity, Twilight tells him "Focus, Casanova."



** And in "Call of the Cutie", one thing Rainbow Dash checks for talents is karate. Two-for-one here: why would ponies use a word derived from the Okinawan word for 'hand'?

to:

** And in "Call of the Cutie", one thing Rainbow Dash checks for talents is karate. Two-for-one here: why would ponies use a word derived from the Okinawan word for 'hand'?"hand"?



** Lampshaded in "Slice of Life", when Doctor Whooves asks what is this 'man' is that [[Film/TheBigLebowski the bowling alley ponies]] keep referring to.

to:

** Lampshaded in "Slice of Life", when Doctor Whooves asks what is this 'man' "man" is that [[Film/TheBigLebowski the bowling alley ponies]] keep referring to.



* ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'' has several characters referring to real people such as Marie Antoinette and Britney Spears and mentioning places such as America and Europe... while living on Smileyland, which is a planet. One episode even had them mention having gone on vacation to UsefulNotes/{{Australia}} before!
* In ''WesternAnimation/TheLandBeforeTime IV'', during the song "Who Needs You?" July is mentioned, millions of years before the Roman calendar was invented.

to:

* ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'' has several characters referring to real people such as Marie Antoinette and Britney Spears and mentioning places such as America and Europe... while living on Smileyland, which is a planet. One episode even had has them mention having gone on vacation to UsefulNotes/{{Australia}} before!
* ''WesternAnimation/TheLandBeforeTime'':
**
In ''WesternAnimation/TheLandBeforeTime ''The Land Before Time IV'', during the song "Who Needs You?" July is mentioned, millions of years before the Roman calendar was invented.



* In one ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM'' episode, Sonic asked Nicole to repeat some TechnoBabble "in English."

to:

* ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM'':
**
In one ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM'' episode, Sonic asked Nicole to repeat some TechnoBabble "in English."



** Sonic also name checks [[Music/GunsNRoses Axl Rose]] in the show's pilot episode as well.
*** But then again, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen the third season was going to reveal]] that Mobius was a far-future Earth (an idea later adapted to the Archie comic series).
* The phrase "dime a dozen" has been used on ''Series/StarWarsTheCloneWars''. The main currency of the galaxy is credits, and they've been shown in various forms, so it's possible there is some kind of equivalent to a dime.

to:

** Sonic also name checks [[Music/GunsNRoses Axl Rose]] in the show's pilot episode as well.
***
well. But then again, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen the third season was going to reveal]] that Mobius was is a far-future Earth (an idea later adapted to the Archie comic series).
* The phrase "dime a dozen" has been used on ''Series/StarWarsTheCloneWars''.''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars''. The main currency of the galaxy is credits, and they've been shown in various forms, so it's possible there is some kind of equivalent to a dime.



* In ''TheLegendOfKorra'', Varrick mentions that "Lyme disease is a serious killer", despite there being no Lyme for the disease to be named after. Likewise, Morse code is mentioned, even though there was no Samuel Morse to invent it. There's also the use of the term 'Jeep' to refer to off-road vehicles, which came from slurring the initials GP (General Purpose) even though the ''Avatar'' world doesn't use the Latin alphabet.
** Both averted ''and'' played straight in a later episode: upon being shown a gun for the first time, a character can't think of any word to describe it except "a thing" (owing to the setting's FantasyGunControl). However, later in the same episode, they call it "a cannon".
*** This one could be justified if we remember that cannons do exist in the setting, they are just completely different from our own[[note]]Said cannons are actually just giant tubes that firebenders use to attack from longer distances[[/note]].

to:

* In ''TheLegendOfKorra'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'':
**
Varrick mentions that "Lyme disease is a serious killer", despite there being no Lyme for the disease to be named after. after.
**
Likewise, Morse code is mentioned, even though there was no Samuel Morse to invent it. it.
**
There's also the use of the term 'Jeep' "Jeep" to refer to off-road vehicles, which came from slurring the initials GP (General Purpose) even though the ''Avatar'' world doesn't use the Latin alphabet.
** Both averted ''and'' played straight in a later episode: upon being shown a gun for the first time, a character can't think of any word to describe it except "a thing" (owing to the setting's FantasyGunControl). However, later in the same episode, they call it "a cannon".
***
cannon". This one could be justified if we remember that cannons do exist in the setting, they are just completely different from our own[[note]]Said cannons are actually just giant tubes that firebenders use to attack from longer distances[[/note]].
18th Dec '16 4:38:50 PM rjd1922
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** "Einstein" is [[AvertedTrope removed]] in [[VideoGamRemake the 3DS remake]]. He now says "genius" instead.

to:

** "Einstein" is [[AvertedTrope removed]] in [[VideoGamRemake [[VideoGameRemake the 3DS remake]]. He now says "genius" instead.
This list shows the last 10 events of 332. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.OrphanedEtymology