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* Douglas Milroy explored this (and the {{designated hero}}) in [[http://jabootu.net/?p=530 his review]] of ''Film/TheBeast'':
-->"In one fell swoop the movie has its would-be hero mocking and yelling at an essentially innocent villain. If a large number of truly despicable actions by Graves had been shown, perhaps we could accept our hero calling him names, or mocking his education. As it is, how many actual representations of villainy by Graves do we see or hear about: one. Raines and Marcus are discussing the position of harbor master, when Rains says "Schuyler Graves has expanded its scope. It's got a lot of people angry around here". And that, oh my Brothers, is it. Based upon that, we are to take him as a villain."
* ''Film/RepoTheGeneticOpera'' has Luigi and Pavi, brothers stated to be a murderer and a rapist, respectively. While we see Luigi stab several people to death, all the girls we see with Pavi are quite willing. This could be because while violence is always fun, it's ''really'' hard to joke about rape.
* Frank Miller for most of ''Film/HighNoon''. The hero Kane threw him in prison for unspecified charges before the start of the film, but Miller gets pardoned and decides to take revenge on Kane. Kane runs around town insisting that Miller is a menace to them all, but people refuse to stand with him. Some even sympathize with Miller and insist that Kane is trying to drag them into a personal feud. When Miller finally arrives, he sports some [[GoodScarsEvilScars evil scars]] to prove his villainy, but he still doesn't do anything except go after Kane.



* Mr. Blonde in ''Film/ReservoirDogs'', at least for the first half or so. We ''hear'' that he's a psycho, sure, we ''hear'' that he shot a bunch of civilians, but whenever we actually ''see'' him, he's calm and cool and affable. The only evidence we have for his villainy is the word of Mr.'s Pink and White. Then [[ColdBloodedTorture the ear scene]] [[MoralEventHorizon happens]].
* In ''{{Film/Serenity}}'', The Operative doesn't know where Serenity went to hide, so he has ''every place'' they've hidden in the past bombed to bits. The crew only finds this out when they try to contact all of them.
* The library scene in ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection'' really goes out of its way to make [[BigBad the Son'a]] unlikeable, with records of conquering and enslaving worlds, drug dealing, and possessing illegal weapons. [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter It makes the Federation look really stupid to have ever turned to them.]]
* In ''Film/DraculaUntold'', the Elder Vampire makes Vlad admit that he butchered not hundreds, but ''thousands'' of innocents, but since it would be hard to root for him, we see him actually ''doing'' none of it.
* ''Film/LordOfWar'': When Andre Jr. is introduced, Yuri notes internally that this son of an African dictator is a psychopathic murderer, rapist, and cannibal. Though he does end up shooting at civilians, none of Jr.'s most heinous crimes are shown.
* ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'': After the Trade Federation invades Naboo, we keep being told that the people are suffering under the occupation and that the death toll is rising. The thing is, we never actually ''see'' any of the Nabooan citizens suffer, which makes the whole thing look more like GunboatDiplomacy (albeit by a megacorp wilfully manipulated by a Sith lord) than a whole planet being "subjected to slavery and death". Qui-Gon suspects it's a lie to trick them into giving away their position when they hear it, and it doesn't profit them in any way. The Federation are explicitly unhappy about landing troops at all.

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* Mr. Blonde in ''Film/ReservoirDogs'', at least for the first half or so. We ''hear'' that he's a psycho, sure, we ''hear'' that he shot a bunch of civilians, but whenever we actually ''see'' him, he's calm and cool and affable. The only evidence we have for his villainy is the word of Mr.'s Pink and White. Then [[ColdBloodedTorture the ear scene]] [[MoralEventHorizon happens]].
* In ''{{Film/Serenity}}'', The Operative doesn't know where Serenity went to hide, so he has ''every place'' they've hidden in the past bombed to bits. The crew only finds this out when they try to contact all of them.
* The library scene in ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection'' really goes out of its way to make [[BigBad the Son'a]] unlikeable, with records of conquering and enslaving worlds, drug dealing, and possessing illegal weapons. [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter It makes the Federation look really stupid to have ever turned to them.]]
* In ''Film/DraculaUntold'', the Elder Vampire makes Vlad admit that he butchered not hundreds, but ''thousands'' of innocents, but since it would be hard to root for him, we see him actually ''doing'' none of it. \n* ''Film/LordOfWar'': When Andre Jr. is introduced, Yuri notes internally that this son of an African dictator is a psychopathic murderer, rapist, and cannibal. Though he does end up shooting at civilians, none of Jr.'s most heinous crimes are shown. \n* ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'': After the Trade Federation invades Naboo, we keep being told that the people are suffering under the occupation and that the death toll is rising. The thing is, we never actually ''see'' any of the Nabooan citizens suffer, which makes the whole thing look more like GunboatDiplomacy (albeit by a megacorp wilfully manipulated by a Sith lord) than a whole planet being "subjected to slavery and death". Qui-Gon suspects it's a lie to trick them into giving away their position when they hear it, and it doesn't profit them in any way. The Federation are explicitly unhappy about landing troops at all.



* ''Film/WereNoAngels'' (1989): Ned and Jim are escaped convicts who presumably did ''something'' to end up in jail, but nothing about their past crimes is mentioned, and they only commit a few petty crimes over the course of the film.

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* ''Film/WereNoAngels'' (1989): Ned Frank Miller for most of ''Film/HighNoon''. The hero Kane threw him in prison for unspecified charges before the start of the film, but Miller gets pardoned and Jim are escaped convicts who presumably did ''something'' decides to take revenge on Kane. Kane runs around town insisting that Miller is a menace to them all, but people refuse to stand with him. Some even sympathize with Miller and insist that Kane is trying to drag them into a personal feud. When Miller finally arrives, he sports some [[GoodScarsEvilScars evil scars]] to prove his villainy, but he still doesn't do anything except go after Kane.
* ''Film/LordOfWar'': When Andre Jr. is introduced, Yuri notes internally that this son of an African dictator is a psychopathic murderer, rapist, and cannibal. Though he does
end up in jail, but nothing about their past shooting at civilians, none of Jr.'s most heinous crimes are shown.
* Regina George from ''Film/MeanGirls''
is mentioned, the most popular and they only commit beloved girl in school but her former friend Janice says that Regina ruined her life by outing her as a few petty lesbian. Nobody else seems to care though. Viewers are made to believe that Regina deserves losing her popularity thanks to Cady's sabotage because she "stole" Aaron from Cady. Never mind that it's uncool when your new best friend wants to hook up with your ex and that Aaron barely knows Cady. Finally, Regina is called out in front of the whole school and accused of "victimizing" everybody there including the faculty. What the nature of this "victimization" is never elaborated.
* ''Film/MonstersBall'': Lawrence must have committed some ''very'' serious
crimes over to be on DeathRow, but his character is introduced mere days before his execution, which shifts the course of the film.focus to how his wife and son will have to deal with his death.



* ''Film/MonstersBall'': Lawrence must have committed some ''very'' serious crimes to be on DeathRow, but his character is introduced mere days before his execution, which shifts the focus to how his wife and son will have to deal with his death.

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* ''Film/MonstersBall'': Lawrence must have committed some ''very'' serious crimes ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'': After the Trade Federation invades Naboo, we keep being told that the people are suffering under the occupation and that the death toll is rising. The thing is, we never actually ''see'' any of the Nabooan citizens suffer, which makes the whole thing look more like GunboatDiplomacy (albeit by a megacorp wilfully manipulated by a Sith lord) than a whole planet being "subjected to slavery and death". Qui-Gon suspects it's a lie to trick them into giving away their position when they hear it, and it doesn't profit them in any way. The Federation are explicitly unhappy about landing troops at all.
* ''Film/RepoTheGeneticOpera'' has Luigi and Pavi, brothers stated
to be on DeathRow, a murderer and a rapist, respectively. While we see Luigi stab several people to death, all the girls we see with Pavi are quite willing. This could be because while violence is always fun, it's ''really'' hard to joke about rape.
* Mr. Blonde in ''Film/ReservoirDogs'', at least for the first half or so. We ''hear'' that he's a psycho, sure, we ''hear'' that he shot a bunch of civilians,
but his character is introduced mere days before his execution, which shifts the focus to how his wife whenever we actually ''see'' him, he's calm and son will cool and affable. The only evidence we have for his villainy is the word of Mr.'s Pink and White. Then [[ColdBloodedTorture the ear scene]] [[MoralEventHorizon happens]].
* In ''{{Film/Serenity}}'', The Operative doesn't know where Serenity went
to deal hide, so he has ''every place'' they've hidden in the past bombed to bits. The crew only finds this out when they try to contact all of them.
* The library scene in ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection'' really goes out of its way to make [[BigBad the Son'a]] unlikeable,
with records of conquering and enslaving worlds, drug dealing, and possessing illegal weapons. [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter It makes the Federation look really stupid to have ever turned to them.]]
* Douglas Milroy explored this (and the {{designated hero}}) in [[http://jabootu.net/?p=530
his death.review]] of ''Film/TheBeast'':
-->"In one fell swoop the movie has its would-be hero mocking and yelling at an essentially innocent villain. If a large number of truly despicable actions by Graves had been shown, perhaps we could accept our hero calling him names, or mocking his education. As it is, how many actual representations of villainy by Graves do we see or hear about: one. Raines and Marcus are discussing the position of harbor master, when Rains says "Schuyler Graves has expanded its scope. It's got a lot of people angry around here". And that, oh my Brothers, is it. Based upon that, we are to take him as a villain."


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* In ''Film/ConAir'', Garland Greene is presented as one of the most horrific and prolific serial killers who ever lived, and is certainly feared by the other criminals, but all his crimes occurred before his introduction. He boasts of killing a little girl and wearing her face as a GenuineHumanHide, [[spoiler:yet he thankfully refrains from killing a girl he runs into. The end rather implies that he's gone good, but with his past crimes this still makes him an ''extreme'' KarmaHoudini.]]
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* ''VideoGame/DiddyKongRacing'': In the manual, it was stated Wizpig destroyed entire planets out of boredom.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' [[RealityWarper Discord's]] original rule is only mentioned in passing as "an eternal state of unrest and unhappiness," his stained glass window shows him ''[[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids dangling ponies over flames]]'' and he himself refers to an afternoon of reducing the world to [[WorldGoneMad complete chaos]] as only "his first changes." One must wonder exactly how horrific his original rule must have been, compared to the evil, but still ''mostly'' humorous and silly actions he's shown inflicting onscreen. Given that Discord's very nature is so chaotic, it is possible that the scope of his evilness would vary dramatically depending on how he feels on any given day.
* In the 2018 reboot of ''WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower'', Hordak is the founder and leader of the Horde, but the first three seasons show him [[OrcusOnHisThrone ruling from the shadows]] in the Fright Zone. His initial conquests upon arriving on Etheria, during which he would have taken an active role, are not shown on screen. In season 4, Hordak takes to the battlefield and leads his troops personally. Viewers see a few shots of Hordak [[spoiler:firing on the Salineas Sea Gate and the Sea Elf Village with his arm cannon]], but most of his siege takes place offscreen. Hordak also remarks that [[spoiler:Entrapta]] is the only princess who has not yet faced him in combat, which implies that he has done battle with several princesses offscreen.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' [[RealityWarper [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicDiscord Discord's]] original rule is only mentioned in passing as "an eternal state of unrest and unhappiness," his stained glass window shows him ''[[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids dangling ponies over flames]]'' and he himself refers to an afternoon of reducing the world to [[WorldGoneMad complete chaos]] as only "his first changes." One must wonder exactly how horrific his original rule must have been, compared to the evil, but still ''mostly'' humorous and silly actions he's shown inflicting onscreen. Given that Discord's very nature is so chaotic, it is possible that the scope of his evilness would vary dramatically depending on how he feels on any given day.
* In the 2018 reboot of ''WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower'', Hordak [[Characters/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPowerHordak Hordak]] is the founder and leader of the Horde, but the first three seasons show him [[OrcusOnHisThrone ruling from the shadows]] in the Fright Zone. His initial conquests upon arriving on Etheria, during which he would have taken an active role, are not shown on screen. In season 4, Hordak takes to the battlefield and leads his troops personally. Viewers see a few shots of Hordak [[spoiler:firing on the Salineas Sea Gate and the Sea Elf Village with his arm cannon]], but most of his siege takes place offscreen. Hordak also remarks that [[spoiler:Entrapta]] is the only princess who has not yet faced him in combat, which implies that he has done battle with several princesses offscreen.


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* ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'': Many of [[Characters/TotalDramaJulia Julia]] schemes in the second season are done offscreen and she tells us about them after the fact such as [[spoiler: orchestrating Bowie and MK's eliminations, stealing Damien's immunity idol, and blackmailing Caleb.]]
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* The ruling MegaCorp body in Creator/ProjectMoon's works, also known as the Head or A Corp, is said to be a tyrannical corporate dictatorship who wields super-powered shock troops that can kill almost any individual on-sight and supposedly tried to obliterate the {{Villain Protagonist}}s of the first two games because they are performing experiments that would break the City's cycle of death and human sacrifices. In the games however, they're really hands-off and won't even bother moving a finger unless someone fails to pay taxes or breaches some bizzare regulation that look less like formal restrictions but oddly specific {{Berserk Button}}s. Anything else, including horrible experiments, mass murder and at least one explicit rebellion attempt are ignored entirely, and turns out they attacked our {{Villain Protagonist}}s not because of the experiments themselves, but because of a potential sentient A.I. being built inside the City.
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* Gorr in ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'' is stated to be a widely known god-killer and has killed multiple gods before Thor arrived. However besides the first one he killed in self-defense, we never saw him doing any of that on-screen and when he appears to confront Thor, Gorr ended up using the children to lure latter for the Stormbreaker before disappearing from the narrative until Thor arrived at his planet to get the hostages back.
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Compare and contrast GoryDiscretionShot and RapeDiscretionShot, which may overlap with this, as well as DesignatedVillain and ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything, where the "villain(s)" don't actually do anything truly bad, either on-screen or off.

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Compare and contrast GoryDiscretionShot and RapeDiscretionShot, which may overlap with this, and DesignatedVillain, where the "villain" doesn't actually do anything truly bad, either on-screen or off.

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Compare and contrast GoryDiscretionShot and RapeDiscretionShot, which may overlap with this, as well as DesignatedVillain and DesignatedVillain, ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything, where the "villain" doesn't "villain(s)" don't actually do anything truly bad, either on-screen or off.

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* In ''Manga/OnePiece'', Trafalgar Law, aka The Surgeon of Death, gets hit with this trope. Thus far, we have seen him act very calm, insightful, reserved, and [[spoiler:healing Luffy]]. None of that screams villainy. It might be played with; between how he acts and the reason for the bounties on Luffy and Zoro, he might be similarly wanted for actions that are, at the very least, justifiable. In which case, the offscreen behavior that is villainous is only towards the corrupt World Government (or a misunderstanding). [[spoiler:And now that he's a Warlord of the Sea, his darker side is being hinted at once again. How did he become one? By removing the hearts of 100 pirates and sending them to the World Government.]]

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* ''Manga/OnePiece'': In ''Manga/OnePiece'', general, if a pirate is not meant to be a villain (like the Supernovas, or the similarly notorious Super Rookies introduced in the Dressrosa arc), their more unpleasant traits will be kept offscreen.
** One of the aforementioned Supernovas,
Trafalgar Law, aka The Surgeon of Death, gets hit with this trope. Thus far, we have seen him act very calm, insightful, reserved, and [[spoiler:healing Luffy]]. None of that screams villainy. It might be played with; between how he acts and the reason for the bounties on Luffy and Zoro, he might be similarly wanted for actions that are, at the very least, justifiable. In which case, the offscreen behavior that is villainous is only towards the corrupt World Government (or a misunderstanding). [[spoiler:And now that he's after he becomes a Warlord of the Sea, his darker side is being gets hinted at once again. How did he become one? By removing the hearts of 100 pirates and sending them to the World Government.]]



** In general, if a pirate is not meant to be a villain (like the Supernovas, or the similarly notorious Super Rookies introduced in the Dressrosa arc), his more unpleasant traits will be kept offscreen.
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* The oni in most versions of the ''Literature/{{Momotaro}}'' folktale are ''said'' to be evil, but are never seen doing anything evil on-screen. At its worst, the titular character is just a [[DesignatedHero murderous bandit]] who plunders others for wealth.

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* The oni in most versions of the ''Literature/{{Momotaro}}'' folktale are ''said'' to be evil, but are never seen doing anything evil on-screen.in the story proper. At its worst, the titular character is just a [[DesignatedHero murderous bandit]] who plunders others for wealth.
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* Any of the villains in ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' are a lot more effective when not sharing screen-time with the heroes. Notably, Team Rocket were originally billed as ruthless and effective gangsters, and the larger organization still seems to be that offscreen, but almost all of their schemes that are actually ''shown'' tend to end in failure before anyone is hurt.

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* Any of the villains in ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' ''Anime/PokemonTheSeries'' are a lot more effective when not sharing screen-time with the heroes. Notably, the [[TerribleTrio Team Rocket trio]] were originally billed as ruthless and effective gangsters, and the larger organization still seems to be that offscreen, but almost all of their schemes that are actually ''shown'' tend to end in failure before anyone is hurt.hurt. And they're the lucky ones since most other villainous organizations that ever cross paths with Ash and friends completely collapses with their leaders either dead or captured by the authorities.
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* [[TheWarOfEarthlyAggression The United Earth Directorate]] in ''VideoGame/StarCraft''. Canonically, they are a ruthless dictatorship who abolished cultural ethnicity and religion on Earth, banished 400 million humans to space for being considered "undesirable", and came to the Koprulu Sector with the intention of enslaving or eradicating the Zerg and Protoss. Unfortunately, [[AllThereInTheManual very little of this is actually shown in-game]], and all we get to see in their ''Brood War'' campaign is them trying to enslave the Zerg (who at this point were AlwaysChaoticEvil) and [[PayEvilUntoEvil beating the crap out of Arcturus Mengsk, one of the most reviled characters in the franchise]]. This has caused plenty of fans to [[RootingForTheEmpire root for them]], and not understand why the heroic characters chose to form an EnemyMine with the much more ObviouslyEvil [[DarkActionGirl Sarah Kerrigan]] to fight them.

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* [[TheWarOfEarthlyAggression The United Earth Directorate]] in ''VideoGame/StarCraft''.''Franchise/StarCraft''. Canonically, they are a ruthless dictatorship who abolished cultural ethnicity and religion on Earth, banished 400 million humans to space for being considered "undesirable", and came to the Koprulu Sector with the intention of enslaving or eradicating the Zerg and Protoss. Unfortunately, [[AllThereInTheManual very little of this is actually shown in-game]], and all we get to see in their ''Brood War'' campaign is them trying to enslave the Zerg (who at this point were AlwaysChaoticEvil) and [[PayEvilUntoEvil beating the crap out of Arcturus Mengsk, one of the most reviled characters in the franchise]]. This has caused plenty of fans to [[RootingForTheEmpire root for them]], and not understand why the heroic characters chose to form an EnemyMine with the much more ObviouslyEvil [[DarkActionGirl Sarah Kerrigan]] to fight them.
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** For Turles, he had conquered several planets using the Tree of Might, resulting in the deaths of those inhabitants if there were any. While we see the effects that the Tree of Might has on Earth, we do ''not'' see the effects of the Tree of Might on the other planets that Turles had conquered.

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** For Turles, he had conquered several planets using the Tree of Might, resulting in the deaths of those inhabitants if there were any. While we see the effects that the Tree of Might has on Earth, we do ''not'' the effects of the other planets that Turles had conquered.

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** For Turles, he had conquered several planets using the Tree of Might, resulting in the deaths of those inhabitants if there were any. While we see the effects that the Tree of Might has on Earth, we do ''not'' see the effects of the Tree of Might on the other planets that Turles had conquered.
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** Lord Slug is one of the worst examples of this when it came to these films, he had invaded multiple planets so that he could terrafreeze them and turn them into parts of his Planet Cruiser, and tries to do the same thing to earth. We don't see the former, we only see what the terrafreezing effect has on Earth, that's all.

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** Lord Slug is one of the worst examples of this when it came to these films, he had invaded multiple planets so that he could terrafreeze them and turn them into parts of his Planet Cruiser, and tries to do the same thing to earth.Earth. We don't see the former, we only see what the terrafreezing effect has on Earth, that's all.
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* ''Manga/DragonballZ:'' Unfortunately, this is what befalls most villains in the movies as their worst actions are left completely off-screen, making them come off as simple, one-off, GenericDoomsdayVillains that the heroes must defeat. The worst offenders of this are [[Anime/DragonBallZTheTreeOfMight Turles]], [[Anime/DragonBallZLordSlug Lord Slug]] and [[Anime/DragonBallZBojackUnbound Bojack]].

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** For Turles, he had conquered several planets using the Tree of Might, resulting in the deaths of those inhabitants if there were any. While we see the effects that the Tree of Might has on Earth, we do ''not'' the effects of the other planets that Turles had conquered.
** Lord Slug is one of the worst examples of this when it came to these films, he had invaded multiple planets so that he could terrafreeze them and turn them into parts of his Planet Cruiser, and tries to do the same thing to earth. We don't see the former, we only see what the terrafreezing effect has on Earth, that's all.
** Bojack suffers similarly, the worst things that he had done is told to us via [[MrExposition King Kai's exposition]], we don't actually see any of these worst actions at all.
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* ''[[LightNovel/IsItWrongToTryToPickUpGirlsInADungeon DanMachi]]: VideoGame/MemoriaFreese'': [[spoiler:Baldo from the ''Nightmare Academia'' event proclaims to have feasted on the flesh and blood of people he killed, but that was only mentioned prior to his boss fight]].

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* ''[[LightNovel/IsItWrongToTryToPickUpGirlsInADungeon ''[[Literature/IsItWrongToTryToPickUpGirlsInADungeon DanMachi]]: VideoGame/MemoriaFreese'': [[spoiler:Baldo from the ''Nightmare Academia'' event proclaims to have feasted on the flesh and blood of people he killed, but that was only mentioned prior to his boss fight]].
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* [[TheWarOfEarthlyAggression The United Earth Directorate]] in ''VideoGame/StarCraft''. Canonically, they are a ruthless dictatorship who abolished cultural ethnicity and religion on Earth, banished 400 millions human in space for being considered "undesirable" and came to the Koprulu Sector with the intention of enslaving or eradicating the Zerg and Protoss. Unfortunately, [[AllThereInTheManual very little of this is actually shown in-game]], and all we get to see in their ''Brood War'' campaign is them trying to enslave the Zerg (who at this point were AlwaysChaoticEvil) and [[KickTheSonOfABitch beating the crap out of Arcturus Mengsk, one of the most reviled characters in the franchise]]. This has caused plenty of fans to [[RootingForTheEmpire root for them]], and not understand why the heroic characters chose to form an EnemyMine with the much more ObviouslyEvil [[DarkActionGirl Sarah Kerrigan]] to fight them.

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* [[TheWarOfEarthlyAggression The United Earth Directorate]] in ''VideoGame/StarCraft''. Canonically, they are a ruthless dictatorship who abolished cultural ethnicity and religion on Earth, banished 400 millions human in million humans to space for being considered "undesirable" "undesirable", and came to the Koprulu Sector with the intention of enslaving or eradicating the Zerg and Protoss. Unfortunately, [[AllThereInTheManual very little of this is actually shown in-game]], and all we get to see in their ''Brood War'' campaign is them trying to enslave the Zerg (who at this point were AlwaysChaoticEvil) and [[KickTheSonOfABitch [[PayEvilUntoEvil beating the crap out of Arcturus Mengsk, one of the most reviled characters in the franchise]]. This has caused plenty of fans to [[RootingForTheEmpire root for them]], and not understand why the heroic characters chose to form an EnemyMine with the much more ObviouslyEvil [[DarkActionGirl Sarah Kerrigan]] to fight them.
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* ''Theatre/CesareIlCreatoreCheHaDistrutto'' -- The prologue establishes [[UsefulNotes/PopeAlexanderVI Cardinal Rodrigo Borgia]]'s reputation ("That unrefined jerk from Spain who walks around the Vatican like he owns the place!") and he says he'll do whatever it takes to become pope. Then his son Cesare, the protagonist, calls him a monster. But other than that, we don't see him doing anything but the same political scheming as [[BlackAndGreyMorality all the other nobles]] [[CrapsackWorld in Italy]], and it's [[UsefulNotes/PopeJuliusII his rival]] who's the one ordering assassination attempts on teenagers. It doesn't portray him as pure, by any means, but it still counters the family's usual HistoricalVillainUpgrade.
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* Madarame, Kaneshiro and Okumura are still touted as despicable people in ''VideoGame/Persona5'', but their worst crimes are only mentioned in-passing by other characters and there's no proof in the real world that convinces us that they are capable of such actions. For example, the worst thing we do see Madarame do is to pull a MurderByInaction on Yusuke's mom and create forgeries of her painting, but there's no proof that he had driven pupils to suicide other than testimonies from Nakanohara. Compare this to Kamoshida who explicitly leaves multiple students in bandages after the volleyball rally and one victim visibly jumping off the school roof after presumably being molested.

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* Madarame, Kaneshiro and Okumura in ''VideoGame/Persona5'' are still all touted as despicable people in ''VideoGame/Persona5'', heinous criminals who had to be stopped by any means necessary, but their worst crimes are only mentioned in-passing by other characters and there's no proof in the real world that convinces us that they are capable of such actions.characters. For example, the worst thing we do see Madarame do is to pull a MurderByInaction on Yusuke's mom and create forgeries of her painting, but there's no proof that he had driven pupils to suicide other than testimonies from Nakanohara. Compare this to Kamoshida who explicitly leaves multiple students in bandages after the volleyball rally and one victim visibly jumping off the school roof after presumably being molested.
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* Madarame, Kaneshiro and Okumura are still touted as despicable people in ''VideoGame/Persona5'', but their worst crimes are only mentioned in-passing by other characters and there's no proof in the real world that convinces us that they are capable of such actions. For example, the worst thing we do see Madarame do is to pull a MurderByInaction on Yusuke's mom and create forgeries of her painting, but there's no proof that he had driven pupils to suicide other than testimonies from Nakanohara. Compare this to Kamoshida who explicitly leaves multiple students in bandages after the volleyball rally and one victim visibly jumping off the school roof after presumably being molested.
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* ''[[LightNovel/IsItWrongToTryToPickUpGirlsInADungeon DanMachi]]: VideoGame/MemoriaFreese'': [[spoiler:Baldo from the ''Nightmare Academia'' event proclaims to have feasted on the flesh and blood of people he killed, but that was only mentioned prior to his boss fight]].
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* While Lt. Burning is one of the more decent and level-headed characters among the MilitaryMaverick cast of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory'', one of the sourcebooks depicting various scenes of the OAV characters' during the time frame of the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' implies that he raped a female POW towards the end of the One Year War.

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* While Lt. Burning is one of the more decent and level-headed characters among the MilitaryMaverick cast of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory'', one of the sourcebooks depicting various scenes of the OAV characters' characters during the time frame of the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' implies that he raped a female POW towards the end of the One Year War.
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* While Lt. Burning is one of the more decent and level-headed characters among the MilitaryMaverick cast of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory'', one of the sourcebooks depicting various scenes of the OAV characters' during the time frame of the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' implies that he raped a female POW towards the end of the One Year War.

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