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* ''Theatre/{{Parade}}'' It's been jokingly referred to as "everybody's favorite lynching musical" written by "nebbish Jewish guys about a nebbish Jewish guy".
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* ''Theatre/{{Parade}}'' ''Theatre/{{Parade|1998}}'' It's been jokingly referred to as "everybody's favorite lynching musical" written by "nebbish Jewish guys about a nebbish Jewish guy".
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A {{Theatre}} trope, but could be applied to other media.
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* ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': If [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin the name didn't give it away]]: [[PluckyComicRelief Thenadiers aside]], this is probably the number one aversion. The professional reviews of its debut bashed it for being far too gloomy, claiming ItWillNeverCatchOn. Word of mouth from the ''rest'' of the audience, however...
* ''Theatre/{{Parade}}''
* ''Theatre/{{Elisabeth}}'': Even the sweet, innocent songs at the beginning ("Wie Du", for example) have horribly dark reprises later. To think of it that way, there are no happy or lighthearted songs in the entire musical — the happiest moment is when the title character ''dies''.
* ''Theatre/{{Parade}}''
* ''Theatre/{{Elisabeth}}'': Even the sweet, innocent songs at the beginning ("Wie Du", for example) have horribly dark reprises later. To think of it that way, there are no happy or lighthearted songs in the entire musical — the happiest moment is when the title character ''dies''.
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* ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': If [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin the name didn't give it away]]: [[PluckyComicRelief Thenadiers Thenardiers aside]], this is probably the number one aversion. The professional reviews of its debut bashed it for being far too gloomy, claiming ItWillNeverCatchOn. Word of mouth from the ''rest'' of the audience, however...
*''Theatre/{{Parade}}''
''Theatre/{{Parade}}'' It's been jokingly referred to as "everybody's favorite lynching musical" written by "nebbish Jewish guys about a nebbish Jewish guy".
* ''Theatre/{{Elisabeth}}'': Even the sweet, innocent songs at the beginning ("Wie Du", for example) have horribly dark reprises later. To think of it that way, there are no happy or lighthearted songs in the entire musical — the happiest moment is when the title character''dies''.[[spoiler: gets stabbed to death.]] Rudolf's interactions with Death can be played as sweet and paternal (with the child version) and seductive (with the adult version), but both become horrifying as the audience remembers that it's ''Death himself'' that seems to, or at least pretends to, care about the prince. Some Rudolfs even break into wide smiles [[spoiler:right before he shoots himself in the head, finding happiness through being DrivenToSuicide]]. It's a TraumaCongaLine that also [[ForegoneConclusion happened in real life]], and it's become a CashCowFranchise for the European theatre world, and a perennial favorite of Creator/TakarazukaRevue.
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* ''Theatre/{{Elisabeth}}'': Even the sweet, innocent songs at the beginning ("Wie Du", for example) have horribly dark reprises later. To think of it that way, there are no happy or lighthearted songs in the entire musical — the happiest moment is when the title character
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* ''Dance a Little Closer'', Alan Jay Lerner's final musical, was a SettingUpdate of the popular 1936 play ''Idiot's Delight''...meaning it was a musical {{Dramedy}} set on the eve of ''WorldWarIII'' (or, as the script described it, "the avoidable future") rather than the then-brewing World War II. As the Cold War was getting rather hot in 1983, the premise was a massive turnoff to audiences and it only lasted one official performance.
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* ''Dance a Little Closer'', Alan Jay Lerner's final musical, was a SettingUpdate of the popular 1936 play ''Idiot's Delight''...meaning it was a musical {{Dramedy}} set on the eve of ''WorldWarIII'' (or, as the script described it, "the avoidable future") rather than the then-brewing World War II. As the Cold War was getting rather hot in 1983, the premise was a [[AudienceAlienatingPremise massive turnoff to audiences audiences]] and it only lasted one official performance.
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* ''Dance a Little Closer'', Alan Jay Lerner's final musical, was a SettingUpdate of the popular 1936 play ''Idiot's Delight''...meaning it was a musical {{Dramedy}} set on the eve of ''WorldWarIII'' (or, as the script described it, "the avoidable future") rather than the then-brewing World War II. As UsefulNotes/TheColdWar was getting rather hot in 1983, the premise was a massive turnoff to audiences and it only lasted one official performance.
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* ''Dance a Little Closer'', Alan Jay Lerner's final musical, was a SettingUpdate of the popular 1936 play ''Idiot's Delight''...meaning it was a musical {{Dramedy}} set on the eve of ''WorldWarIII'' (or, as the script described it, "the avoidable future") rather than the then-brewing World War II. As UsefulNotes/TheColdWar the Cold War was getting rather hot in 1983, the premise was a massive turnoff to audiences and it only lasted one official performance.
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* ''Dance a Little Closer''
Closer'', Alan Jay Lerner's final musical, was a SettingUpdate of the popular 1936 play ''Idiot's Delight''...meaning it was a musical {{Dramedy}} set on the eve of ''WorldWarIII'' (or, as the script described it, "the avoidable future") rather than the then-brewing World War II. As UsefulNotes/TheColdWar was getting rather hot in 1983, the premise was a massive turnoff to audiences and it only lasted one official performance.
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* ''Theatre/NextToNormal'': Drugs are an integral part of the show, the protagonist has spent years suffering from a mental illness, and the only member of her family who isn't affected by this [[spoiler:is the hallucinatory version of someone who's been dead for years]].
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* ''Theatre/NextToNormal'': Drugs are an integral part of the show, plotline, the protagonist has spent years suffering from a mental illness, and the only member of her family who isn't affected by this [[spoiler:is the hallucinatory version of someone who's been dead for years]].
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* ''Theatre/NextToNormal''.''Theatre/NextToNormal'': Drugs are an integral part of the show, the protagonist has spent years suffering from a mental illness, and the only member of her family who isn't affected by this [[spoiler:is the hallucinatory version of someone who's been dead for years]].
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* ''{{Elisabeth}}'': Even the sweet, innocent songs at the beginning ("Wie Du", for example) have horribly dark reprises later. To think of it that way, there are no happy or lighthearted songs in the entire musical — the happiest moment is when the title character ''dies''.
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* ''{{Elisabeth}}'': ''Theatre/{{Elisabeth}}'': Even the sweet, innocent songs at the beginning ("Wie Du", for example) have horribly dark reprises later. To think of it that way, there are no happy or lighthearted songs in the entire musical — the happiest moment is when the title character ''dies''.
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* Inverted in-universe in ''FindingNeverland'': James' producer thinks theater-goers will pay to see only serious works, and thinks the idea of a fanciful play about children is ridiculous. The aversion is somewhat justified, in that James has to bring orphans to the play to laugh at it in order to get the adults to be receptive.
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* Inverted in-universe in ''FindingNeverland'': ''Film/FindingNeverland'': James' producer thinks theater-goers will pay to see only serious works, and thinks the idea of a fanciful play about children is ridiculous. The aversion is somewhat justified, in that James has to bring orphans to the play to laugh at it in order to get the adults to be receptive.
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* ''Theatre/JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat'': Even though it was originally a school play, it did give AndrewLloydWebber and TimRice a springboard that they used when writing ''JesusChristSuperstar''. That success lay in rejuvenating old material, although ''JCS'' was arguably more ''accessible'' than ''funny'', as ''Joseph'' was.
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* ''Theatre/JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat'': Even though it was originally a school play, it did give AndrewLloydWebber Creator/AndrewLloydWebber and TimRice Creator/TimRice a springboard that they used when writing ''JesusChristSuperstar''.''Theatre/JesusChristSuperstar''. That success lay in rejuvenating old material, although ''JCS'' was arguably more ''accessible'' than ''funny'', as ''Joseph'' was.
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* ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': [[PluckyComicRelief Thenadiers aside]], this is probably the number one aversion. The professional reviews of its debut bashed it for being far too gloomy, claiming ItWillNeverCatchOn. Word of mouth from the ''rest'' of the audience, however...
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* ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': If [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin the name didn't give it away]]: [[PluckyComicRelief Thenadiers aside]], this is probably the number one aversion. The professional reviews of its debut bashed it for being far too gloomy, claiming ItWillNeverCatchOn. Word of mouth from the ''rest'' of the audience, however...
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* ''JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat'': ''Theatre/JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat'': Even though it was originally a school play, it did give AndrewLloydWebber and TimRice a springboard that they used when writing ''JesusChristSuperstar''. That success lay in rejuvenating old material, although ''JCS'' was arguably more ''accessible'' than ''funny'', as ''Joseph'' was.
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Compare WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids, when material for children is criticised for being too dark.
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Compare WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids, when material for aimed at children is criticised for being too dark.
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Contrast TrueArtIsAngsty, which reigns supreme in most other media (including non-musical theatre).
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Compare WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids, when material for children is criticised for being too dark.
Compare WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids, when material for children is criticised for being too dark.
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[[WMG: Shows that have flopped as a result of this trope]].
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[[WMG: Shows that have flopped as a result of this trope]].trope]]
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* ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': [[PluckyComicRelief Thenadiers aside]], this is probably the number one aversion. The professional reviews of its debut bashed it for being far too gloomy, claiming ItWillNeverCatchOn. Word of mouth from the ''rest'' of the audience, however...
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* ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': [[PluckyComicRelief Thenadiers aside]], this is probably the number one aversion. The professional reviews of its debut bashed it for being far too gloomy, claiming ItWillNeverCatchOn. Word of mouth from the ''rest'' of the audience, however...
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* ''[[Theatre/{{ptitlenjisnv3p}} Les Misérables]]'': [[PluckyComicRelief Thenadiers aside]], this is probably the number one aversion.
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* ''[[Theatre/{{ptitlenjisnv3p}} Les Misérables]]'': ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': [[PluckyComicRelief Thenadiers aside]], this is probably the number one aversion.
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* JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat: Even though it was originally a school play, it did give AndrewLloydWebber and TimRice a springboard that they used when writing JesusChristSuperstar - that success lay in rejuvenating old material, although [[JesusChristSuperstar JCS]] was arguably more ''accessible'' than ''funny'' like [[JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat Joseph]] was.
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* JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat: ''JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat'': Even though it was originally a school play, it did give AndrewLloydWebber and TimRice a springboard that they used when writing JesusChristSuperstar - that ''JesusChristSuperstar''. That success lay in rejuvenating old material, although [[JesusChristSuperstar JCS]] ''JCS'' was arguably more ''accessible'' than ''funny'' like [[JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat Joseph]] ''funny'', as ''Joseph'' was.
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* {{Elisabeth}}: Even the sweet innocent songs at the beginning ("Wie Du", for example) have horribly dark reprises later on. Thinking of it that way, there are no happy or lighthearted songs in the entire musical - the happiest moment is when the title character ''dies''.
* Inverted in-universe in FindingNeverland: James' producer thinks theater-goers will only pay to see serious works, and thinks the idea of a fanciful play about children is ridiculous. The aversion is somewhat justified, in that James has to bring orphans to the play to laugh at it in order to get the adults to be receptive.
* {{Parade}}
* {{Elisabeth}}: Even the sweet innocent songs at the beginning ("Wie Du", for example) have horribly dark reprises later on. Thinking of it that way, there are no happy or lighthearted songs in the entire musical - the happiest moment is when the title character ''dies''.
* Inverted in-universe in FindingNeverland: James' producer thinks theater-goers will only pay to see serious works, and thinks the idea of a fanciful play about children is ridiculous. The aversion is somewhat justified, in that James has to bring orphans to the play to laugh at it in order to get the adults to be receptive.
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* ''[[{{Theatre/ptitlenjisnv3p}} ''[[Theatre/{{ptitlenjisnv3p}} Les Misérables]]'': [[PluckyComicRelief Thenadiers aside,]] aside]], this is probably the number one aversion.
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*{{Elisabeth}}: ''{{Elisabeth}}'': Even the sweet sweet, innocent songs at the beginning ("Wie Du", for example) have horribly dark reprises later on. Thinking later. To think of it that way, there are no happy or lighthearted songs in the entire musical - — the happiest moment is when the title character ''dies''.
* Inverted in-universe inFindingNeverland: ''FindingNeverland'': James' producer thinks theater-goers will only pay to see only serious works, and thinks the idea of a fanciful play about children is ridiculous. The aversion is somewhat justified, in that James has to bring orphans to the play to laugh at it in order to get the adults to be receptive.receptive.
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* LesMiserables: [[PluckyComicRelief Thenadiers aside,]] this is probably the number one aversion.
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