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* Leo Durocher, manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, has often been credited with [[TropeNamer first saying this phrase]]. But what Durocher actually said, before a 1946 game with the New York Giants was: "The nice guys are all over there. In seventh place."
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* Leo Durocher, manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, has often been credited with [[TropeNamer first saying this phrase]]. But what Durocher actually said, before a 1946 game with the New York Giants was: "The nice guys are all over there. In seventh place."" (According to Durocher, it wasn't that they were nice guys that doomed them to failure, but a lack of what might be called The Will To Victory.)
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* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you? Being intelligent, or funny, or emotionally balanced/open, or insightful, or fun to be around, or romantic, or well-read, or passionate about causes, or a thousand other traits are all much more interesting than the basic human niceness of, say, holding the door open for someone or listening to them talk without being an ass to them[[note]]which, technically, fall more under "inoffensive" than "nice"[[/note]].
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* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you? Being intelligent, or funny, or emotionally balanced/open, or insightful, or fun to be around, or romantic, or well-read, or passionate about causes, or a thousand other traits are all much more interesting than the basic human niceness of, say, holding the door open for someone or listening to them talk without being an ass to them[[note]]which, technically, fall falls more under the category of "inoffensive" than "nice"[[/note]].
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* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you? Being intelligent, or funny, or emotionally balanced/open, or insightful, or fun to be around, or romantic, or well-read, or passionate about causes, or a thousand other traits are all much more interesting than the basic human niceness of, say, holding the door open for someone or listening to them talk without being an ass to them.
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* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you? Being intelligent, or funny, or emotionally balanced/open, or insightful, or fun to be around, or romantic, or well-read, or passionate about causes, or a thousand other traits are all much more interesting than the basic human niceness of, say, holding the door open for someone or listening to them talk without being an ass to them.them[[note]]which, technically, fall more under "inoffensive" than "nice"[[/note]].
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* ''No More Mr Nice Guy'' is another, more serious self-help book where Dr. Robert Glover covers the 'Nice Guy' syndrome in detail. He explains that being a Nice Guy is ''not'' a good thing for you or your intended loved ones, repeatedly points out that acting like a self-centered jerk is just the opposite extreme, and generally advises that balancing your own wants and needs against those of other people is the key to happiness.
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* ''No More Mr Nice Guy'' is another, more serious self-help book where Dr. Robert Glover covers the 'Nice Guy' syndrome in detail. He explains that being a "[[DoggedNiceGuy Nice Guy Guy]]" (in the sense of a passive-aggressive ExtremeDoormat) is ''not'' a good thing for you or your intended loved ones, repeatedly points out that acting like a self-centered jerk is just the opposite extreme, and generally advises that balancing your own wants and needs against those of other people is the key to happiness.
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* There's an episode of ''Series/TheITCrowd'' that plays with this in all kinds of weird ways. Roy tries to prove that "all women want bastards" by making a fake profile on a matchmaking Web site for a mean alter ego (it starts with "Shut up!"), and when he gets a response from a woman he actually quite fancies, he goes on a real date with her but has to pretend to be the bastard his profile made him out to be.
* ''{{Friends}}'': Chandler - probably the nicest character on the show and the one who gets the least action dating-wise - lampshades on this, quipping that someone saying he's a nice guy means ''I'm going to be dating a [[{{AllGirlsWantBadBoys}} chain smoking alcoholic]] and complaining about them to you''.
* ''{{Friends}}'': Chandler - probably the nicest character on the show and the one who gets the least action dating-wise - lampshades on this, quipping that someone saying he's a nice guy means ''I'm going to be dating a [[{{AllGirlsWantBadBoys}} chain smoking alcoholic]] and complaining about them to you''.
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* There's an episode of ''Series/TheITCrowd'' that plays with this in all kinds of weird ways. Roy tries to prove that "all women want bastards" by making a fake profile on a matchmaking Web site for a mean alter ego (it starts with "Shut up!"), and when he gets a response from a woman he actually quite fancies, he goes on a real date with her but has to pretend to be the bastard his profile made him out to be.
be. The {{Aesop}}, if there is one, seems to be about [[SelfFulfillingProphecy self-fulfilling prophecies]]: women who want bastards will find them, and men who try to make themselves into bastards to attract women will attract only damaged goods who confirm their dim view of the opposite sex.
*''{{Friends}}'': ''Series/{{Friends}}'': Chandler - probably the nicest character on the show and the one who gets the least action dating-wise - lampshades on this, quipping that someone saying he's a nice guy means ''I'm going to be dating a [[{{AllGirlsWantBadBoys}} chain smoking alcoholic]] and complaining about them to you''.
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* The romantic version of this trope tends to be heavily enforced on "geek websites." Go into just about any geek-centered internet forum or website, and you're bound to see people complaining about being too "nice" to get a girlfriend.
* The romantic version of this trope tends to be heavily enforced on "geek websites." Go into just about any geek-centered internet forum or website, and you're bound to see people complaining about being too "nice" to get a girlfriend.
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* The song "Mr. Cellophane" from ''Theatre/{{Chicago}}''. Though in this character's case, he was actually married...to a fame seeking woman with low standards who dumped him after she was done using him.
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* The song "Mr. Cellophane" from ''Theatre/{{Chicago}}''. Though in this character's case, he was actually married...to a fame seeking woman with low standards who dumped him after she was done using him.
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* The feminist website ''Heartless Bitches International'' has a very scathing and controversial (but nonetheless [[JerkassHasAPoint quite accurate]]) article about why certain Nice Guys can never get dates or sustain long-term relationships. http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml
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* The feminist website ''Heartless Bitches International'' has a very scathing and controversial (but nonetheless [[JerkassHasAPoint quite accurate]]) article about why certain Nice Guys can never get dates or sustain long-term relationships. http://www.[[http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtmlshtml controversial article]] about why certain Nice Guys can never get dates or sustain long-term relationships.
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* "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeys7Jfnx8 Nice Guys]]" by Creator/{{Nigahiga}}, Kevjumba, and Chester See is actually a subversion. In the music video, the guys go to a class where they learn that they must act like jerks in order to get women. However, they soon realize that acting like jerks actually makes girls hate them, and being nice is what really works.
** Specifically, the song on it's own plays it straight, the music video that goes with it subverts it.
* Creator/DougWalker discussed this one in a commentary, stating that while he knows he gets taken advantage of and is called a pussy for having such an apologetic nature, the GoodFeelsGood feeling is still worth it.
** And yet he plays this one straight with [[WebVideo/DemoReel The Review Must Go On]], as everyone nice gets beaten down and loses, even [[AuthorAvatar himself]]. He gets his comforting words in WebVideo/ToBoldlyFlee twisted around to bite him, and the sweet cast of WebVideo/DemoReel are {{retcon}}ned to never exist.
** Specifically, the song on it's own plays it straight, the music video that goes with it subverts it.
* Creator/DougWalker discussed this one in a commentary, stating that while he knows he gets taken advantage of and is called a pussy for having such an apologetic nature, the GoodFeelsGood feeling is still worth it.
** And yet he plays this one straight with [[WebVideo/DemoReel The Review Must Go On]], as everyone nice gets beaten down and loses, even [[AuthorAvatar himself]]. He gets his comforting words in WebVideo/ToBoldlyFlee twisted around to bite him, and the sweet cast of WebVideo/DemoReel are {{retcon}}ned to never exist.
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* "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeys7Jfnx8 Nice Guys]]" by Creator/{{Nigahiga}}, Kevjumba, and Chester See is actually a subversion. In the music video, the guys go to a class where they learn that they must act like jerks in order to get women. However, they soon realize that acting like jerks actually makes girls hate them, and being nice is what really works.
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* Creator/DougWalker discussed this one in a commentary, stating that while he knows he gets taken advantage of and is called a pussy for having such an apologetic nature, the GoodFeelsGood feeling is still worthit.
**it. And yet he plays this one straight with [[WebVideo/DemoReel The Review Must Go On]], as everyone nice gets beaten down and loses, even [[AuthorAvatar himself]]. He gets his comforting words in WebVideo/ToBoldlyFlee twisted around to bite him, and the sweet cast of WebVideo/DemoReel are {{retcon}}ned to never exist.
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** For some women, a man who takes charge, is very confident (even if borderline egotistical), and is aggressive in their persuasion tend to be more appealing since it makes them look more manly.
** People who are more aggressive in a relationship (not physically, mind you) of any kind tend to be taken more seriously and will usually have their demands met when they ask nicely but firmly. People who don't stick up for themselves in an argument or go along with what everyone else wants in order to make them happy are usually viewed as weak willed and are taken advantage of. Naturally, there are times where you have to be a nice guy, otherwise you will be seen as a rude jerk, so for some people, the balance between being nice and being firm/aggressive can be tricky to maintain.
** And, of course, the nice guy will be less likely to actually ''ask a girl out'' because he doesn't want to come across as intrusive, while the "macho jerks" have no such qualms.
* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you? Being intelligent, or funny, or emotionally balanced/open, or insightful, or fun to be around, or romantic, or well read, or passionate about causes, or a thousand other traits are all much more interesting than the basic human niceness of, say, holding the door open for someone or listening to them talk without being an ass to them.
** People who are more aggressive in a relationship (not physically, mind you) of any kind tend to be taken more seriously and will usually have their demands met when they ask nicely but firmly. People who don't stick up for themselves in an argument or go along with what everyone else wants in order to make them happy are usually viewed as weak willed and are taken advantage of. Naturally, there are times where you have to be a nice guy, otherwise you will be seen as a rude jerk, so for some people, the balance between being nice and being firm/aggressive can be tricky to maintain.
** And, of course, the nice guy will be less likely to actually ''ask a girl out'' because he doesn't want to come across as intrusive, while the "macho jerks" have no such qualms.
* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you? Being intelligent, or funny, or emotionally balanced/open, or insightful, or fun to be around, or romantic, or well read, or passionate about causes, or a thousand other traits are all much more interesting than the basic human niceness of, say, holding the door open for someone or listening to them talk without being an ass to them.
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* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you? Being intelligent, or funny, or emotionally balanced/open, or insightful, or fun to be around, or romantic, or
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** GenderFlipped in [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-confessions-female-nice-guy/ "5 Confessions of a Female 'Nice Guy'"]], the writer admits that she used to think her lack of luck with men was because men were too stupid to [[ItsAllAboutMe see how great she was]] and wanted {{Brainless Beaut|y}}ies instead. She later came to realize that she was wrong and that maybe she was just a jerk back then.
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** GenderFlipped in [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-confessions-female-nice-guy/ "5 Confessions of a Female 'Nice Guy'"]], the Guy'"]]. The writer admits that she used to think her lack of luck with men was because men were too stupid to [[ItsAllAboutMe see how great she was]] and wanted {{Brainless Beaut|y}}ies instead. She later came to realize that she was wrong and that maybe she was just a jerk back then.
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* Online comedian Creator/JennaMarbles rants about this saying in her video "Why Nice Guys ''Don't'' finish last. She points out that a lot of nice guys who can't get dates fail in their pursuit because they tend to go after the wrong types of women. TheCheerleader has nothing in common with the nerd, so she shouldn't be seen as stupid or a bitch for not wanting to date him.
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* Online comedian Creator/JennaMarbles rants about this saying in her video "Why Nice Guys ''Don't'' finish last. " She points out that a lot of nice guys who can't get dates fail in their pursuit because they tend to go after the wrong types of women. TheCheerleader has nothing in common with the nerd, so she shouldn't be seen as stupid or a bitch for not wanting to date him.
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* Online comedian Jenna Marbles rants about this saying in her video "Why Nice Guys ''Don't'' finish last. She points out that a lot of nice guys who can't get dates fail in their pursuit because they tend to go after the wrong types of women. TheCheerleader has nothing in common with the nerd, so she shouldn't be seen as stupid or a bitch for not wanting to date him.
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* Online comedian Jenna Marbles Creator/JennaMarbles rants about this saying in her video "Why Nice Guys ''Don't'' finish last. She points out that a lot of nice guys who can't get dates fail in their pursuit because they tend to go after the wrong types of women. TheCheerleader has nothing in common with the nerd, so she shouldn't be seen as stupid or a bitch for not wanting to date him.
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** GenderFlipped in [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-confessions-female-nice-guy/ "5 Confessions of a Female 'Nice Guy'"]], the writer admits that she used to think her lack of luck with men was because men were too stupid to [[ItsAllAboutMe see how great she was]] and wanted {{Brainless Beaut|y}}ies. She later came to realize that she was wrong and that maybe she was just a jerk back then.
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** GenderFlipped in [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-confessions-female-nice-guy/ "5 Confessions of a Female 'Nice Guy'"]], the writer admits that she used to think her lack of luck with men was because men were too stupid to [[ItsAllAboutMe see how great she was]] and wanted {{Brainless Beaut|y}}ies.Beaut|y}}ies instead. She later came to realize that she was wrong and that maybe she was just a jerk back then.
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** GenderFlipped in [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-confessions-female-nice-guy/ "5 Confessions of a Female 'Nice Guy'"]], the writer admits that she used to think her lack of luck with men was because men were too stupid to [[ItsAllAboutMe see how great she was]] and wanted {{Brainless Beaut|y}}ies. She later came to realize that she was wrong and that maybe she was just a jerk back then.
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->''Nice guys finish last, bad guys have a blast! take his money - grab his honey - dump that loser fast!''
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->''Nice guys finish last, bad guys have a blast! take Take his money - grab his honey - dump that loser fast!''
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%% Subverted/Averted/Inverted with Jem Carstairs in ''Literature/TheInfernalDevices''? Depends on how literal you take the name.]]
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* Subverted in an Archie comic book back in the 70s, where the school participating in a citywide athletic marathon, and Riverdale High's star athlete Reggie is felled by a sprained ankle. Archie has to take his place and in every event, he eats the other participants' dust coming in second and third. But Dilton Doiley has been crunching the numbers, noting that on total points alone, Archie has put Riverdale High in the lead and he winds up winning the marathon.
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->''Nice guys finish last\\
that's why I'll treat you like trash\\
It's not what I really wanna do\\
But you only date bad guys so\\
I'll give it my best try to\\
treat you the way you want me to''
-->-- '''Nice Guys, by [[Creator/{{Nigahiga}} Ryan Higa]] ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeys7Jfnx8 YouTube]]), Kevin "Kevjumba" Wu ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fz3zFqLc3E YouTube]]), and Chester See ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQHbQV-K6VQ YouTube]])'''
that's why I'll treat you like trash\\
It's not what I really wanna do\\
But you only date bad guys so\\
I'll give it my best try to\\
treat you the way you want me to''
-->-- '''Nice Guys, by [[Creator/{{Nigahiga}} Ryan Higa]] ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeys7Jfnx8 YouTube]]), Kevin "Kevjumba" Wu ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fz3zFqLc3E YouTube]]), and Chester See ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQHbQV-K6VQ YouTube]])'''
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* Leo Durocher, manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, has often been credited with [[TropeNamer first saying this phrase]]. But what Durocher actually said, before a 1946 game with the New York Giants was: "The nice guys are all over there. In seventh place."
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* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you? Being intelligent, or funny, or emotionally balanced/open, or insightful, or fun to be around, or romantic, or well read, or passionate about causes, or a thousand other traits are all much more interesting than the basic human niceness of holding the door open for someone.
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* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you? Being intelligent, or funny, or emotionally balanced/open, or insightful, or fun to be around, or romantic, or well read, or passionate about causes, or a thousand other traits are all much more interesting than the basic human niceness of of, say, holding the door open for someone.someone or listening to them talk without being an ass to them.
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* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you?
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* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you?you? Being intelligent, or funny, or emotionally balanced/open, or insightful, or fun to be around, or romantic, or well read, or passionate about causes, or a thousand other traits are all much more interesting than the basic human niceness of holding the door open for someone.
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The trope name is a misquote. There are several supposed sources and original quotes, but the fact that it's a misquote is the only certain thing.
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The trope name is a misquote. There are several supposed sources and original quotes, (and ironically one of the people that is often cited as the origin of the quote was a JerkAss baseball manager who repeatedly lost to his genuinely kind and BenevolentBoss rival) but the fact that it's a misquote is the only certain thing.
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* Subverted on ''Series/GirlCode''. While the first part of the "Bad Boys" segment says that AllGirlsWantBadBoys, by the end of the segment the cast agrees that Nice Guys usually wind up better off in life so they're the ones that girls SHOULD be going for.
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* A common rebuttal to self-identified "nice guys" who use this argument as a thinly-veiled cover for EntitledToHaveYou is that being nice-- ''genuinely'' nice, that is, not "nice"-- is a minimum qualification, not the be-all end-all. In other words, okay, let's grant for the sake of argument that you're nice. What else do you have going for you?
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* ''{{Friends}}'': Chandler - probably the nicest character on the show and the one who gets the least action dating-wise - lampshades on this, quipping that someone saying he's a nice guy means ''I'm going to be dating a [[{{AllGirlsWantBadBoys}} chain smoking alcoholic]] and complaining about them to you''.
** Averted later on though, when his extremely attractive best friend Monica (whose its hinted he's had feeling for, for years) falls in love with him and they're HappilyMarried long before the rest of the gang.
** Averted later on though, when his extremely attractive best friend Monica (whose its hinted he's had feeling for, for years) falls in love with him and they're HappilyMarried long before the rest of the gang.
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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' "All Chalked Up'' likewise used a variation of the "aggressively nice" option when Him tries to use Bubbles naivety to his advantage.
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* A podcast in ''Website/TheArtOfManliness'' explores this, noting that the "nice guy" is not always as nice as he thinks, often believing his own good nature allows him to act passive agressively. This is especially when it comes ot the myth of AllGirlsWantBadBoys.
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** And yet he plays this one straight with [[WebVideo/DemoReel The Review Must Go On]], as everyone nice gets beaten down and loses, even [[AuthorAvatar himself]]. He gets his comforting words in WebVideo/ToBoldlyFlee twisted around to bite him, and the sweet cast of WebVideo/DemoReel are {{retcon}}ned to never exist.
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-->-- '''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeys7Jfnx8 Nice]][[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fz3zFqLc3E Guys]], by [[Creator/{{Nigahiga}} Ryan Higa]], Kevin "Kevjumba" Wu, and Chester See'''
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-->-- '''[[http://www.'''Nice Guys, by [[Creator/{{Nigahiga}} Ryan Higa]] ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeys7Jfnx8 Nice]][[http://www.YouTube]]), Kevin "Kevjumba" Wu ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fz3zFqLc3E Guys]], by [[Creator/{{Nigahiga}} Ryan Higa]], Kevin "Kevjumba" Wu, YouTube]]), and Chester See'''
See ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQHbQV-K6VQ YouTube]])'''
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** Though the "nice guy" in question is less "nice guy" and more StalkerWithACrush, since his plan is to ensnare the girl in an insidious AllTakeAndNoGive relationship.
-->'''Nice Guy''': When you have problems, night after night, I'll be there for you. Selflessly. I'll tear down the jerks you date and wait for you to realize how good I am for you. That only '''I''' will ever understand you. You won't want to hurt my feelings, and I won't ever hurt the issue. I'll tell myself it's because I "value our friendship". Bit by bit, I'll make you depend on me. You'll think about how long it would take to build this kind of connection again. And in a moment of weakness, and loneliness, you'll give in. It'll feel comfortable and natural. You'll quietly revise your definition of love and try to be happy. And sometimes you will be. Only the wistfulness in your gaze and the tiny pause before you say "I love you" will hint that this wasn't the ending you'd hoped for.
-->'''Nice Guy''': When you have problems, night after night, I'll be there for you. Selflessly. I'll tear down the jerks you date and wait for you to realize how good I am for you. That only '''I''' will ever understand you. You won't want to hurt my feelings, and I won't ever hurt the issue. I'll tell myself it's because I "value our friendship". Bit by bit, I'll make you depend on me. You'll think about how long it would take to build this kind of connection again. And in a moment of weakness, and loneliness, you'll give in. It'll feel comfortable and natural. You'll quietly revise your definition of love and try to be happy. And sometimes you will be. Only the wistfulness in your gaze and the tiny pause before you say "I love you" will hint that this wasn't the ending you'd hoped for.
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* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold!'' dealt with this trope, in which a school play takes on this trope as its FamilyUnfriendlyAesop (a change made by the director of it). In fact the trope quote comes from the VillainSong sung by Arnold's character, who was the BigBad of the play.
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* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold!'' dealt with this trope, in which a school play takes on this trope as its FamilyUnfriendlyAesop (a change made [[AuthorTract by the director of it).it]]). In fact the trope quote comes from the VillainSong sung by Arnold's character, who was the BigBad of the play.
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** And, of course, the nice guy will be less likely to actually ''ask a girl out'' because he doesn't want to come across as intrusive, while the "macho jerks" have no such qualms.
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Opposite of CheatersNeverProsper. Related to LoserProtagonist, RomanticRunnerUp, and {{The Social Darwinist}}. For characters who actually finish last because they're nice, see DoggedNiceGuy.
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Opposite of CheatersNeverProsper.CheatersNeverProsper and SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan. Related to LoserProtagonist, RomanticRunnerUp, and {{The Social Darwinist}}. For characters who actually finish last because they're nice, see DoggedNiceGuy.
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** For some women, a man who takes charge, is very confident (even if borderline egotistical), and is aggressive in their persuasion tend to be more appealing since it makes them look more manly.
** People who are more aggressive in a relationship (not physically, mind you) of any kind tend to be taken more seriously and will usually have their demands met when they ask nicely but firmly. People who don't stick up for themselves in an argument or go along with what everyone else wants in order to make them happy are usually viewed as weak willed and are taken advantage of. Naturally, there are times where you have to be a nice guy, otherwise you will be seen as a rude jerk, so for some people, the balance between being nice and being firm/aggressive can be tricky to maintain.
** People who are more aggressive in a relationship (not physically, mind you) of any kind tend to be taken more seriously and will usually have their demands met when they ask nicely but firmly. People who don't stick up for themselves in an argument or go along with what everyone else wants in order to make them happy are usually viewed as weak willed and are taken advantage of. Naturally, there are times where you have to be a nice guy, otherwise you will be seen as a rude jerk, so for some people, the balance between being nice and being firm/aggressive can be tricky to maintain.
