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30th Apr '16 12:58:24 PM ultimomant
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* ''Fanfic/AManOfIron'': Ned Stark disapproves of Iron Man's vigilante actions. Not only is it illegal, but he's worried that people, especially untrained peasants, will be inspired to imitate him, which will lead them getting killed.

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* ''Fanfic/AManOfIron'': Ned Stark disapproves of Iron Man's vigilante actions. Not only is it illegal, but he's worried that people, especially untrained peasants, will be inspired to imitate him, which will lead them getting killed. Ned says the proper procedure to dealing with crimes is to report them to the king or lord so that they and their knights can deal with it.
30th Apr '16 12:55:46 PM ultimomant
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* ''Fanfic/AManOfIron'': Ned Stark disapproves of Iron Man's vigilante actions. Not only is it illegal, but he's worried that people, especially untrained peasants, will be inspired to imitate him, which will lead them getting killed.
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* ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Were those vigilantes wrong for trying to be heroes? No. Although Batman just made a snarky comment about hockey pads, it was clear what they were doing wrong was using his persona for outright violence ([[TechnicalPacifist and guns]]), which was not at all what he stood for. There's an element of DontDoThisCoolThing in his attitude towards them. He ''wants'' to inspire the citizens of Gotham to believe the city can be made ''better'', but he doesn't want them following in his vigilante footsteps. Hence his hope that Harvey Dent, Gotham's "White Knight", can essentially ''replace'' him as Gotham's public hero.

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* ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Were those vigilantes wrong for trying to be heroes? No. Although Batman just made a snarky comment about hockey pads, it was clear what they were doing wrong was using his persona for outright violence ([[TechnicalPacifist and guns]]), which was not at all what he stood for. There's an element of DontDoThisCoolThing DoNotDoThisCoolThing in his attitude towards them. He ''wants'' to inspire the citizens of Gotham to believe the city can be made ''better'', but he doesn't want them following in his vigilante footsteps. Hence his hope that Harvey Dent, Gotham's "White Knight", can essentially ''replace'' him as Gotham's public hero.



* In ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'', Will Du disapproves of Team Possible, calling them amateurs and saying heroism should be left to the professionals.



*** One of the most important rules is if you see someone unconscious in a [[Main/EnclosedSpace confined space]] '''DO NOT ENTER THE SPACE''', even to pull them out. Invisible gases that can build up in such spaces like Carbon Monoxide and Hydrogen Sulphide can render a person unconscious in seconds. There have been several instances where 10 or more people have wound up dead inside a confined space because the next guy kept trying to pull people out.

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*** One of the most important rules is if you see someone unconscious in a [[Main/EnclosedSpace [[EnclosedSpace confined space]] '''DO NOT ENTER THE SPACE''', even to pull them out. Invisible gases that can build up in such spaces like Carbon Monoxide and Hydrogen Sulphide can render a person unconscious in seconds. There have been several instances where 10 or more people have wound up dead inside a confined space because the next guy kept trying to pull people out.
7th Mar '16 10:44:02 PM DastardlyDemolition
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** Turns out that actually did end up saving the day.

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** Turns out that actually did end up saving the day. Fry believes he's an invincible combat robot and slowly twirls his arms around while whirring and makes a slow walk towards this opponent. Roberto, being the neurotic nutcase he is, becomes intimidated and stabs Fry in the chest only to hit him in the oil can he stashed in his jacket. Fry "bleeds" but doesn't stop his approach leading to Roberto believe he really is a combat robot and jumps out the window to escape, only to land on the pavement and be arrested by the cops.
24th Feb '16 2:10:26 AM SSJMagus
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* Completely averted by John Henry Irons, AKA {{Steel}}. When {{Superman}} saved his life he asked how he could repay him and got the answer "live a life worth saving". So he builds PoweredArmor and uses it to become a Superhero. He remains a respected member of the superhero community to this day. Although when John Henry's niece gained powers through the Everyman Project and became leader of ComicBook/InfinityInc, he complained she hadn't "earned" them. This was less about "you shouldn't be a hero" and more about the fact that Infinity Inc. was sponsored by Lex '[[CivilianVillain reformed this time, honest]]' Luthor. There ''was'' a little bit of "you're not mature or responsible enough to be a hero yet", before she went to Luthor, in Steel's actions, but in his defense Natasha herself demonstrated that he wasn't ''entirely'' wrong about this. On the other hand, when he was at one point thought dead, Natasha picked up his hammer and triggered a fantastic recorded message saying "I don't want you to be a superhero like me, it's too dangerous, but since you'll probably ignore me, I rigged all my gear to answer to you. You'll be great." But then, [[LegacyCharacter taking up the]] [[TakingUpTheMantle mantle]] is a slightly different situation in [[DCComics the DCU]].

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* Completely averted by John Henry Irons, AKA {{Steel}}. When {{Superman}} saved his life he asked how he could repay him and got the answer "live a life worth saving". So he builds PoweredArmor and uses it to become a Superhero. He remains a respected member of the superhero community to this day. Although when John Henry's niece gained powers through the Everyman Project and became leader of ComicBook/InfinityInc, he complained she hadn't "earned" them. This was less about "you shouldn't be a hero" and more about the fact that Infinity Inc. was sponsored by Lex '[[CivilianVillain reformed this time, honest]]' Luthor. There ''was'' a little bit of "you're not mature or responsible enough to be a hero yet", before she went to Luthor, in Steel's actions, but in his defense Natasha herself demonstrated that he wasn't ''entirely'' wrong about this. For example, she seemed to only be interested in the "beating up the bad guys" part of being a superhero and considered helping civilians rebuilt a wrecked city to be a waste of a hero's time. On the other hand, when he was at one point thought dead, Natasha picked up his hammer and triggered a fantastic recorded message saying "I don't want you to be a superhero like me, it's too dangerous, but since you'll probably ignore me, I rigged all my gear to answer to you. You'll be great." But then, [[LegacyCharacter taking up the]] [[TakingUpTheMantle mantle]] is a slightly different situation in [[DCComics the DCU]].
25th Dec '15 6:31:19 PM nombretomado
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* SilverAge ComicBook/LoisLane used to get powers all the time, and every time there was an Aesop that she couldn't use them properly, with a huge unspoken "Because she's a ''[[StayInTheKitchen girl]]''". In fact, check out SuperDickery or the picture in ContagiousPowers for an idea of what Lois (and Lana) would typically do when they got powers.

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* SilverAge [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] ComicBook/LoisLane used to get powers all the time, and every time there was an Aesop that she couldn't use them properly, with a huge unspoken "Because she's a ''[[StayInTheKitchen girl]]''". In fact, check out SuperDickery or the picture in ContagiousPowers for an idea of what Lois (and Lana) would typically do when they got powers.
2nd Dec '15 7:48:17 PM FF32
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* The City of Nexus in CaptainSNES actually has laws against hero work not done via the police, mostly because the citizens of Nexus come from such a staggering variety of games that they all have very, ''very'' different ideas about what they are and aren't allowed to do during such tasks. It is also pointed out that heroes tend to draw villains and show up at world-endangering times, to the extent that a world-weary VideoGame/MegaMan comments that a genuine hero is the absolute '''worst''' thing to ever encounter.

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* The City of Nexus in CaptainSNES Webcomic/CaptainSNES actually has laws against hero work not done via the police, mostly because the citizens of Nexus come from such a staggering variety of games that they all have very, ''very'' different ideas about what they are and aren't allowed to do during such tasks. It is also pointed out that heroes tend to draw villains and show up at world-endangering times, to the extent that a world-weary VideoGame/MegaMan comments that a genuine hero is the absolute '''worst''' thing to ever encounter.
22nd Nov '15 11:19:49 PM DragonQuestZ
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Compare TheTeamWannabe, PretenderDiss.

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Compare TheTeamWannabe, TheChosenWannabe, PretenderDiss.
28th Sep '15 11:47:46 AM Paranoia
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* ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Were those vigilantes wrong for trying to be heroes? No. Although Batman just made a snarky comment about hockey pads, it was clear what they were doing wrong was using his persona for outright violence ([[TechnicalPacifist and guns]]), which was not at all what he stood for.

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* ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Were those vigilantes wrong for trying to be heroes? No. Although Batman just made a snarky comment about hockey pads, it was clear what they were doing wrong was using his persona for outright violence ([[TechnicalPacifist and guns]]), which was not at all what he stood for. There's an element of DontDoThisCoolThing in his attitude towards them. He ''wants'' to inspire the citizens of Gotham to believe the city can be made ''better'', but he doesn't want them following in his vigilante footsteps. Hence his hope that Harvey Dent, Gotham's "White Knight", can essentially ''replace'' him as Gotham's public hero.
18th Sep '15 9:33:23 AM Koveras
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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Exosquad}}'', Captain Butler prefaces each deployment of his jumptrooper squad by calling out any heroes in their ranks--with the intention of leaving anyone who answered at the base, because "The only heroes I saw weren't breathing!" His squad, of course, knows that and consistently denies having any heroes among them.
29th Jul '15 6:13:35 PM ChaoticNovelist
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# Attempts to [[WhatMeasureIsANonSuper gain super powers]] are seen as [[AmbitionIsEvil rank ambition]], and dangerous in and of themselves. This carries the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that we shouldn't try to rise above our stations. Superheroes are special, and we should just be content to be {{Red Shirt}}s and CannonFodder.
# Another aspect of this comes from two other superhero universal constants: CouldHaveBeenMessy and ThouShaltNotKill. The untrained can't pull off the infallible dodging, and since they don't have ImprobableAimingSkills their attacks will actually kill criminals.

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# Attempts to [[WhatMeasureIsANonSuper [[IJustWantToBeSpecial gain super powers]] are seen as [[AmbitionIsEvil rank ambition]], and dangerous in and of themselves. This carries the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that we shouldn't try to rise above our stations. Superheroes are special, and we should just be content to be {{Red Shirt}}s and CannonFodder.
# Another aspect of this comes from two Two other superhero universal constants: CouldHaveBeenMessy and ThouShaltNotKill. The untrained can't pull off the infallible dodging, and since they don't have ImprobableAimingSkills their attacks will actually kill criminals.



It should be noted that when the subject of this aesop doesn't have any powers and seeks to emulate a BadassNormal, NonPoweredCostumedHero or a hero with {{Charles Atlas Superpower}}s, this overlaps with DontTryThisAtHome and does make sense. When the subject gains the powers and skills of the hero, then it turns into a FantasticAesop, since people don't spontaneously become firefighters and paramedics in RealLife.

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There are other out-of-universe effects depending on the medium: in live action TV, film video games etc., this means more coding, more (voice) actors, more special effects, etc. It's a lot more time and a lot more money and the budget might not stretch far enough to cover it. It's simpler to stay on one hero.

It should be noted that when the subject of this aesop doesn't have any powers and seeks to emulate a BadassNormal, NonPoweredCostumedHero or a hero with {{Charles Atlas Superpower}}s, this overlaps with DontTryThisAtHome and does make makes sense. When the subject gains the powers and skills of the hero, then it turns into a FantasticAesop, since people don't spontaneously become firefighters and paramedics in RealLife.



* ''VideoGame/ValkyriaChronicles'' has this trope going hand-in-hand with AmbitionIsEvil, which means being born with power makes you evil and you can only redeem yourself by [[TallPoppySyndrome giving it up completely and never bringing it up again]] or [[DeathEqualsRedemption dying to make up for it]]. And if you should happen to find a way to give yourself that power, you ''will'' be destroyed. Everyone else gets the power of teamwork, which is superior, ([[BrokenAesop but they'll still need to depend on a Valkyria once in a while anyway]]).
* ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 3|AbsenceOfJustice}}'' goes to town with this trope. Almaz wants to be a hero, so he makes a fake "Hero" title in his name. Mao, a demon, wants to be a hero solely because he thinks that heroes have the power to defeat any enemy, so he steals Almaz's title and is disappointed when it doesn't actually make him any more powerful.

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* ''VideoGame/ValkyriaChronicles'' has this trope going hand-in-hand with AmbitionIsEvil, which means being born with power makes you evil and you can only redeem yourself by [[TallPoppySyndrome giving it up completely and never bringing it up again]] or [[DeathEqualsRedemption dying to make up for it]]. And if you should happen to find a way to give yourself that power, you ''will'' be destroyed. Everyone else gets the power of teamwork, which is superior, ([[BrokenAesop but (but they'll still need to depend on a Valkyria once in a while anyway]]).
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* ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 3|AbsenceOfJustice}}'' goes to town with this trope. 3|AbsenceOfJustice}}'': Almaz wants to be a hero, so he makes a fake "Hero" title in his name. Mao, a demon, wants to be a hero solely because he thinks that heroes have the power to defeat any enemy, so he steals Almaz's title and is disappointed when it doesn't actually make him any more powerful.
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