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4th Aug '17 8:59:26 AM dmcreif
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** Similarly, in situations where civilians have involved themselves in stopping a crime in progress, it's common to hear a police spokesperson cautiously congratulate the person's bravery whilst still stressing that ordinary civilians should leave the crime-fighting to the police, as the police have undergone extensive training to deal with such situations in a way as to make sure that as few people as possible are killed or injured in doing so, and most civilians haven't. The police can't stop every crime in progress, but that is ''not'' a license to take rash actions.
** Although, when taken too far, this leads to BystanderSyndrome.

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** * Similarly, in situations where civilians have involved themselves in stopping a crime in progress, it's common to hear a police spokesperson cautiously congratulate the person's bravery whilst still stressing that ordinary civilians should leave the crime-fighting to the police, as the police have undergone extensive training to deal with such situations in a way as to make sure that as few people as possible are killed or injured in doing so, and most civilians haven't. The police can't stop every crime in progress, but that is ''not'' a license to take rash actions.
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actions. Although, when taken too far, this leads to BystanderSyndrome.
4th Aug '17 8:55:30 AM dmcreif
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* The Pinellas County Sheriff's Department in Florida became the subject of controversy for this. To elaborate:
** In the early hours of March 31, 2016, one of their cruisers chased down a car that had been stolen by three teenage girls with lengthy criminal records. Said stolen car went off the road and into a swamp, where it sank rapidly and became mired in the mud and vegetation, and the three girls drowned.
** Many in the public and the media criticized the deputies for not trying to mount a rescue attempt, especially since the media outlets chose what footage to show in order to stir up controversy. The media alleged that deputies failed to make any effort to rescue the teens [[ManipulativeEditing while deliberately omitting from their coverage dashcam video which confirmed the deputies' statements]].
** Sheriff Robert Gualtieri, fed up with how the media were misconstruing things, was forced to hold a press conference and release the unedited dashcam footage directly to the public on his agency's YouTube channel to refute the media's claims.
** The full videos showed that deputies stripped down in an attempt to enter the water. In the edited videos, the deputies were supposedly shown standing or sitting around casually discussing watching the girls struggling in the car. The unedited video showed that the deputies were only doing this once it became apparent that they could not reach the vehicle, and they were explaining the situation to deputies who had just arrived on the scene. The vehicle had been driven into the middle of an overgrown, muddy bottomed 15-foot deep Florida pond at 3:30 in the morning. That is a nearly impossible situation to attempt a rescue from, due to the inability to see and the possibility of alligators being in the area. It took a team of trained divers along with a heavy-duty wrecker several hours in daylight to get the vehicle and the three trapped girls out of the pond. The muddy bottom and the overgrown vegetation made entry into the water by deputies impossible. And even if they had been able to reach the vehicle somehow, by the time they would have been able to make there, the survival prospects for the vehicle occupants was zero.


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* The *The Pinellas County Sheriff's Department in Florida became the subject of controversy for this. To elaborate:
** In **In the early hours of March 31, 2016, one of their cruisers chased down a car that had been stolen by three teenage girls with lengthy criminal records. Said stolen car went off the road and into a swamp, where it sank rapidly and became mired in the mud and vegetation, and the three girls drowned.
** Many **Many in the public and the media criticized the deputies for not trying to mount a rescue attempt, especially since the media outlets chose what footage to show in order to stir up controversy. The media alleged that deputies failed to make any effort to rescue the teens [[ManipulativeEditing while deliberately omitting from their coverage dashcam video which confirmed the deputies' statements]].
** Sheriff **Sheriff Robert Gualtieri, fed up with how the media were misconstruing things, was forced to hold a press conference and release the unedited dashcam footage directly to the public on his agency's YouTube channel to refute the media's claims.
** The **The full videos showed that deputies stripped down in an attempt to enter the water. In the edited videos, the deputies were supposedly shown standing or sitting around casually discussing watching the girls struggling in the car. The unedited video showed that the deputies were only doing this once it became apparent that they could not reach the vehicle, and they were explaining the situation to deputies who had just arrived on the scene. The vehicle had been driven into the middle of an overgrown, muddy bottomed 15-foot deep Florida pond at 3:30 in the morning. That is a nearly impossible situation to attempt a rescue from, due to the inability to see and the possibility of alligators being in the area. It took a team of trained divers along with a heavy-duty wrecker several hours in daylight to get the vehicle and the three trapped girls out of the pond. The muddy bottom and the overgrown vegetation made entry into the water by deputies impossible. And even if they had been able to reach the vehicle somehow, by the time they would have been able to make there, the survival prospects for the vehicle occupants was zero.

4th Aug '17 8:55:18 AM dmcreif
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*** The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Department in 2016 became the subject of controversy when one night, one of their cruisers chased down a car that had been stolen by three teenagers with lengthy criminal records. Said stolen car went off the road and into a swamp, where it sank, killing the three inside. Many criticized the police for not trying to mount a rescue attempt, when in fact they did, but turned back because of the conditions in the swamp, since a common sense rule of rescuing a drowning victim is that you don't attempt a rescue when doing so could make yourself a victim.

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**In the early hours of March 31, 2016,
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**Many in the public and the media
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**Sheriff Robert Gualtieri, fed up with how the media were misconstruing things, was forced to hold a press conference and release the unedited dashcam footage directly to the public on his agency's YouTube channel to refute the media's claims.
**The full videos showed that deputies stripped down in an attempt to enter the water. In the edited videos, the deputies were supposedly shown standing or sitting around casually discussing watching the girls struggling
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19th Jul '17 12:59:16 PM SeptimusHeap
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* Completely averted by John Henry Irons, AKA {{Steel}}. When Franchise/{{Superman}} saved his life he asked how he could repay him and got the answer "live a life worth saving". So he builds PoweredArmor and uses it to become a Superhero. He remains a respected member of the superhero community to this day. Although when John Henry's niece gained powers through the Everyman Project and became leader of ComicBook/InfinityInc, he complained she hadn't "earned" them. This was less about "you shouldn't be a hero" and more about the fact that Infinity Inc. was sponsored by Lex '[[FalselyReformedVillain reformed this time, honest]]' Luthor. There ''was'' a little bit of "you're not mature or responsible enough to be a hero yet", before she went to Luthor, in Steel's actions, but in his defense Natasha herself demonstrated that he wasn't ''entirely'' wrong about this. For example, she seemed to only be interested in the "beating up the bad guys" part of being a superhero and considered helping civilians rebuilt a wrecked city to be a waste of a hero's time. On the other hand, when he was at one point thought dead, Natasha picked up his hammer and triggered a fantastic recorded message saying "I don't want you to be a superhero like me, it's too dangerous, but since you'll probably ignore me, I rigged all my gear to answer to you. You'll be great." But then, [[LegacyCharacter taking up the]] [[TakingUpTheMantle mantle]] is a slightly different situation in Franchise/TheDCU.

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* Completely averted by John Henry Irons, AKA {{Steel}}.ComicBook/{{Steel}}. When Franchise/{{Superman}} saved his life he asked how he could repay him and got the answer "live a life worth saving". So he builds PoweredArmor and uses it to become a Superhero. He remains a respected member of the superhero community to this day. Although when John Henry's niece gained powers through the Everyman Project and became leader of ComicBook/InfinityInc, he complained she hadn't "earned" them. This was less about "you shouldn't be a hero" and more about the fact that Infinity Inc. was sponsored by Lex '[[FalselyReformedVillain reformed this time, honest]]' Luthor. There ''was'' a little bit of "you're not mature or responsible enough to be a hero yet", before she went to Luthor, in Steel's actions, but in his defense Natasha herself demonstrated that he wasn't ''entirely'' wrong about this. For example, she seemed to only be interested in the "beating up the bad guys" part of being a superhero and considered helping civilians rebuilt a wrecked city to be a waste of a hero's time. On the other hand, when he was at one point thought dead, Natasha picked up his hammer and triggered a fantastic recorded message saying "I don't want you to be a superhero like me, it's too dangerous, but since you'll probably ignore me, I rigged all my gear to answer to you. You'll be great." But then, [[LegacyCharacter taking up the]] [[TakingUpTheMantle mantle]] is a slightly different situation in Franchise/TheDCU.
26th Jun '17 9:04:51 AM 59Efra
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# Only the hero has the moral fiber to resist succumbing to TheDarkSide. Anyone else will quickly get drunk with power and become a [[MonsterOfTheWeek Villain Of The Week.]]

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# Only the hero has the moral fiber to resist succumbing to TheDarkSide. Anyone else will quickly get drunk with power DrunkWithPower and become a [[MonsterOfTheWeek Villain Of The Week.]]
28th May '17 5:25:19 PM MagiMecha
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** Interestingly, there was one case where he did this not because of his "This is My City" but because of the sad circumstances of the guise the person was taking. During a team-up with ComicBook/DeathstrokeTheTerminator, a former GCPD officer named Pat Trayce came into possession of the costume of the Vigilante, a ComicBook/ThePunisher-styled vigilante whose last name bearer, Adrian Chase, ended up being DrivenToSuicide in his mission. Batman suggested that she just dump the costume and the name in some sewer and let it rot before it took her, too. She didn't and, surprisingly, she's still alive.

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** Interestingly, there was one case where he did this not because of his "This is My City" but because of the sad circumstances of the guise the person was taking. During a team-up with ComicBook/DeathstrokeTheTerminator, ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}}, a former GCPD officer named Pat Trayce came into possession of the costume of the Vigilante, a ComicBook/ThePunisher-styled vigilante whose last name bearer, Adrian Chase, ended up being DrivenToSuicide in his mission. Batman suggested that she just dump the costume and the name in some sewer and let it rot before it took her, too. She didn't and, surprisingly, she's still alive.
28th May '17 5:25:00 PM MagiMecha
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** Interestingly, there was one case where he did this not because of his "This is My City" but because of the sad circumstances of the guise the person was taking. During a team-up with ComicBook/DeathstrokeTheTerminator, a former GCPD officer named Pat Trayce came into possession of the costume of the Vigilante, a ComicBook/ThePunisher-styled vigilante whose last name bearer, Adrian Chase, ended up being DrivenToSuicide in his mission. Batman suggested that she just dump the costume and the name in some sewer and let it rot before it took her, too. She didn't and, surprisingly, she's still alive.
14th Mar '17 10:45:00 PM Karxrida
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* Completely averted by John Henry Irons, AKA {{Steel}}. When Franchise/{{Superman}} saved his life he asked how he could repay him and got the answer "live a life worth saving". So he builds PoweredArmor and uses it to become a Superhero. He remains a respected member of the superhero community to this day. Although when John Henry's niece gained powers through the Everyman Project and became leader of ComicBook/InfinityInc, he complained she hadn't "earned" them. This was less about "you shouldn't be a hero" and more about the fact that Infinity Inc. was sponsored by Lex '[[CivilianVillain reformed this time, honest]]' Luthor. There ''was'' a little bit of "you're not mature or responsible enough to be a hero yet", before she went to Luthor, in Steel's actions, but in his defense Natasha herself demonstrated that he wasn't ''entirely'' wrong about this. For example, she seemed to only be interested in the "beating up the bad guys" part of being a superhero and considered helping civilians rebuilt a wrecked city to be a waste of a hero's time. On the other hand, when he was at one point thought dead, Natasha picked up his hammer and triggered a fantastic recorded message saying "I don't want you to be a superhero like me, it's too dangerous, but since you'll probably ignore me, I rigged all my gear to answer to you. You'll be great." But then, [[LegacyCharacter taking up the]] [[TakingUpTheMantle mantle]] is a slightly different situation in Franchise/TheDCU.

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* Completely averted by John Henry Irons, AKA {{Steel}}. When Franchise/{{Superman}} saved his life he asked how he could repay him and got the answer "live a life worth saving". So he builds PoweredArmor and uses it to become a Superhero. He remains a respected member of the superhero community to this day. Although when John Henry's niece gained powers through the Everyman Project and became leader of ComicBook/InfinityInc, he complained she hadn't "earned" them. This was less about "you shouldn't be a hero" and more about the fact that Infinity Inc. was sponsored by Lex '[[CivilianVillain '[[FalselyReformedVillain reformed this time, honest]]' Luthor. There ''was'' a little bit of "you're not mature or responsible enough to be a hero yet", before she went to Luthor, in Steel's actions, but in his defense Natasha herself demonstrated that he wasn't ''entirely'' wrong about this. For example, she seemed to only be interested in the "beating up the bad guys" part of being a superhero and considered helping civilians rebuilt a wrecked city to be a waste of a hero's time. On the other hand, when he was at one point thought dead, Natasha picked up his hammer and triggered a fantastic recorded message saying "I don't want you to be a superhero like me, it's too dangerous, but since you'll probably ignore me, I rigged all my gear to answer to you. You'll be great." But then, [[LegacyCharacter taking up the]] [[TakingUpTheMantle mantle]] is a slightly different situation in Franchise/TheDCU.
8th Jan '17 12:35:52 PM nombretomado
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The real reason for the existence of this trope is that if lots of people gain powers and become superheroes, then it steals some of the main character's thunder. They become less special, unique, and one-of-a-kind. Never mind that even if [[TopTen everyone in the setting]] [[Comicbook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}} had powers or gadgets]] it can be a compelling read, some authors must have felt insecure enough about this that they kept reusing this trope. Averting this often leads to an expanding cast that might turn into a HeroesUnlimited or TheChosenMany, or even grounds for a spinoff.

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The real reason for the existence of this trope is that if lots of people gain powers and become superheroes, then it steals some of the main character's thunder. They become less special, unique, and one-of-a-kind. Never mind that even if [[TopTen [[ComicBook/TopTen everyone in the setting]] [[Comicbook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}} had powers or gadgets]] it can be a compelling read, some authors must have felt insecure enough about this that they kept reusing this trope. Averting this often leads to an expanding cast that might turn into a HeroesUnlimited or TheChosenMany, or even grounds for a spinoff.
19th Nov '16 10:08:56 PM ultimomant
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987'' episode "Super Irma", Irma gains magnetic superpowers and immediately becomes a costumed crimefighter. April and the Turtles tried to get her to stop, mostly because Irma had become very arrogant, narcissistic, and a LeeroyJenkins. She refused to work with the Turtles and nearly got herself killed several times because she wasn't minding her surroundings (and didn't thank the Turtles whenever they saved her). Eventually, her powers wore off and the Turtles saved her again, and this time, she thanked them.
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