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1st Jun '18 12:10:49 AM AdamC
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** There was perhaps some [[JustifiedTrope justification]] for Superman getting her to sit things out for a while- she wasn't nearly as powerful as him, and came uncomfortably close to getting herself killed on multiple occasions. After she had gotten a bit more acclimated to her powers and Earth in general, she ''did'' get into the game in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'', and with her cousin's full support.

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** There was perhaps some [[JustifiedTrope justification]] for Superman getting her to sit things out for a while- she wasn't nearly as powerful as him, and came uncomfortably close to getting herself killed on multiple occasions. After she had gotten a bit more acclimated to her powers and Earth in general, she ''did'' get into the game in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'', and with her cousin's full support. In fact by the time of ''Unlimited'', Superman is actually distancing himself from her publicly just so she won't be ribbed over being "the big guy's cousin."
16th Apr '18 4:27:39 PM ultimomant
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* ''Fanfic/AManOfIron'': Ned Stark disapproves of Iron Man's vigilante actions. Not only is it illegal, but he's worried that people, especially untrained peasants, will be inspired to imitate him, which will lead them getting killed. Ned says the proper procedure to dealing with crimes is to report them to the king or lord so that they and their knights can deal with it.

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* ''Fanfic/AManOfIron'': Ned Stark disapproves of Iron Man's vigilante actions. Not only is it illegal, but he's worried that people, especially untrained peasants, will be inspired to imitate him, which will lead to them getting killed. Ned says the proper procedure to dealing with crimes is to report them to the king or lord so that they and their knights can deal with it.
10th Apr '18 11:25:55 AM ChaoticNovelist
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There are other out-of-universe effects depending on the medium: in live action TV, film video games etc., this means more coding, more (voice) actors, more special effects, etc. It's a lot more time and a lot more money and the budget might not stretch far enough to cover it. It's simpler to stay on one hero.

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There are other out-of-universe effects depending on the medium: in live action TV, film film, video games etc., this means more coding, more (voice) actors, more special effects, etc. It's a lot more time and a lot more money and the budget might not stretch far enough to cover it. Even in Literature, it can lead to LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, OutOfFocus, etc. It's simpler to stay on one hero.



* In ''Manga/ACertainScientificRailgun'', Kuroko Shirai constantly scolds Mikoto Misaka and the others whenever they save the day, saying civilians should stay back and leave the heroics to members of Judgment or Anti-Skill. Mikoto and the others just ignore her, since Judgment and Anti-Skill [[TheCavalryArrivesLate are almost always late to crimes and disasters]]. Also, Mikoto is more powerful and mature than Kuroko and her help is often essential.

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* In ''Manga/ACertainScientificRailgun'', Kuroko Shirai constantly scolds Mikoto Misaka and the others whenever they save the day, saying civilians should stay back and leave the heroics to members of Judgment or Anti-Skill. Mikoto and the others just ignore her, since Judgment and Anti-Skill [[TheCavalryArrivesLate are almost always usually late to crimes and disasters]]. Also, Mikoto is more powerful and mature than Kuroko and her help is often essential.



* Completely averted by John Henry Irons, AKA ComicBook/{{Steel}}. When Franchise/{{Superman}} saved his life he asked how he could repay him and got the answer "live a life worth saving". So he builds PoweredArmor and uses it to become a Superhero. He remains a respected member of the superhero community to this day. Although when John Henry's niece gained powers through the Everyman Project and became leader of ComicBook/InfinityInc, he complained she hadn't "earned" them. This was less about "you shouldn't be a hero" and more about the fact that Infinity Inc. was sponsored by Lex '[[FalselyReformedVillain reformed this time, honest]]' Luthor. There ''was'' a little bit of "you're not mature or responsible enough to be a hero yet", before she went to Luthor, in Steel's actions, but in his defense Natasha herself demonstrated that he wasn't ''entirely'' wrong about this. For example, she seemed to only be interested in the "beating up the bad guys" part of being a superhero and considered helping civilians rebuilt a wrecked city to be a waste of a hero's time. On the other hand, when he was at one point thought dead, Natasha picked up his hammer and triggered a fantastic recorded message saying "I don't want you to be a superhero like me, it's too dangerous, but since you'll probably ignore me, I rigged all my gear to answer to you. You'll be great." But then, [[LegacyCharacter taking up the]] [[TakingUpTheMantle mantle]] is a slightly different situation in Franchise/TheDCU.

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* Completely averted by John Henry Irons, AKA ComicBook/{{Steel}}. When Franchise/{{Superman}} saved his life he asked how he could repay him and got the answer "live a life worth saving". So he builds PoweredArmor and uses it to become a Superhero. He remains a respected member of the superhero community to this day. Although when John Henry's niece gained powers through the Everyman Project and became leader of ComicBook/InfinityInc, he complained she hadn't "earned" them. This was less about "you shouldn't be a hero" and more about the fact that Infinity Inc. was sponsored by Lex '[[FalselyReformedVillain ''[[FalselyReformedVillain reformed this time, honest]]' honest]]'' Luthor. There ''was'' a little bit of "you're not mature or responsible enough to be a hero yet", before she went to Luthor, in Steel's actions, but in his defense Natasha herself demonstrated that he wasn't ''entirely'' wrong about this. For example, she seemed to only be interested in the "beating up the bad guys" part of being a superhero and considered helping civilians rebuilt a wrecked city to be a waste of a hero's time. On the other hand, when he was at one point thought dead, Natasha picked up his hammer and triggered a fantastic recorded message saying "I don't want you to be a superhero like me, it's too dangerous, but since you'll probably ignore me, I rigged all my gear to answer to you. You'll be great." But then, [[LegacyCharacter taking up the]] [[TakingUpTheMantle mantle]] is a slightly different situation in Franchise/TheDCU.



** Played with in the Silver Age. When Kara Zor-El arrived on Earth, Superman insisted that his cousin kept her existence secret for a while during which he trained her. And she wasn't to operate openly until he gave his say-so. However he was kind of justified: she was a recently-orphaned teen ''PhysicalGod'' who needed desperately some kind of stability as she got used to her new life and learnt to use her godlike powers, several -imaginary and canonical- stories showed why being Superman's secret emergency-weapon was a good idea, and when he finally revealed her existence to the world, he stressed that his cousin was his ''partner'', no his sidekick.

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** Played with in the Silver Age. When Kara Zor-El arrived on Earth, Superman insisted that his cousin kept keep her existence secret for a while during which he trained her. And she She wasn't to operate openly until he gave his say-so. However he was kind of justified: she was a recently-orphaned teen ''PhysicalGod'' who needed desperately some kind of stability as she got used to her new life and learnt to use her godlike powers, several -imaginary and canonical- stories showed why being Superman's secret emergency-weapon was a good idea, and when he finally revealed her existence to the world, he stressed that his cousin was his ''partner'', no not his sidekick.



* Syndrome from ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles''. Tries to be a superhero using technology, turns into the BigBad. Really, this trope is what "Incrediboy" ''thinks'' Mr. Incredible is invoking on him when all that's actually happened is that he's caught his idol at the worst possible time to introduce himself as his new sidekick without asking and messed up said introduction to boot. And then he in turn decides to take that rejection in the worst possible way. He still had his technological genius and all, he ''could'' simply have tried again under better circumstances...but no, he simply decided to {{rage quit}} right then and there.

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* Syndrome from ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles''. Tries ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'' tries to be a superhero using technology, turns technology but turned into the BigBad. Really, this trope is what "Incrediboy" ''thinks'' Mr. Incredible is invoking on him when all that's actually happened is that he's caught his idol at the worst possible time to introduce himself as his new sidekick without asking and messed up said introduction to boot. And then Then he in turn decides to take that rejection in the worst possible way. He still had his technological genius and all, he ''could'' simply have tried again under better circumstances...but no, he simply decided to {{rage quit}} right then and there.



* One of Columbus' biggest rules in ''Film/{{Zombieland}}'' is ''Don't be a hero''. [[spoiler:But he breaks his own rule in the end.]]

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* One of Columbus' biggest rules in ''Film/{{Zombieland}}'' is ''Don't be a hero''. [[spoiler:But he hero'' because heroics can get you killed and the point of the rules is to survive. [[spoiler:He breaks his own rule in the end.]]



* Averted in Literature/TheBible, book of Mark 9:38-41. When told by John that the apostles had stopped a man driving out demons in his name, Jesus tells them not to.
** And then played straight with Simon Magus in Acts 8:9-24, because he wanted to ''buy'' that kind of power.

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* Averted in Literature/TheBible, book of Mark 9:38-41. When told by John that the apostles had stopped a man driving out demons in his name, Jesus tells them not to.
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to. Then it is played straight with Simon Magus in Acts 8:9-24, because he wanted to ''buy'' that kind of power.
18th Feb '18 4:42:22 PM AdamC
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** Other stories involving Batman will actually ''invert'' this trope to a limited extent. Batman frightens criminals, but most of Gotham's normal, law-abiding citizens take him as an inspiration to be courageous in smaller ways, such as standing up to corruption and violence found all around the city. One memorable moment from ''ComicBook/DarkKnightReturns'' shows an older man who's not sure how to feel about the stories of Batman's vigilantism in the newspaper... and then to his own surprise feels emboldened enough to help a woman being mugged outside his store.

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** Other stories involving Batman will actually ''invert'' this trope to a limited extent. Batman frightens criminals, but most of Gotham's normal, law-abiding citizens take him as an inspiration to be courageous in smaller ways, such as standing up to corruption and violence found all around the city. One memorable moment from ''ComicBook/DarkKnightReturns'' ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'' shows an older man who's not sure how to feel about the stories of Batman's vigilantism in the newspaper... and then to his own surprise feels emboldened enough to help a woman being mugged outside his store.
18th Feb '18 4:41:47 PM AdamC
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** Other stories involving Batman will actually ''invert'' this trope to a limited extent. Batman frightens criminals, but most of Gotham's normal, law-abiding citizens take him as an inspiration to be courageous in smaller ways, such as standing up to corruption and violence found all around the city. One memorable moment from ''ComicBook/DarkKnightReturns'' shows an older man who's not sure how to feel about the stories of Batman's vigilantism in the newspaper... and then to his own surprise feels emboldened enough to help a woman being mugged outside his store.
9th Feb '18 1:48:14 PM Aquillion
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The real reason for the existence of this trope is that if lots of people gain powers and become superheroes, then it steals some of the main character's thunder. They become less special, unique, and one-of-a-kind. Never mind that even if [[ComicBook/TopTen everyone in the setting]] [[Comicbook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}} had powers or gadgets]] it can be a compelling read, some authors must have felt insecure enough about this that they kept reusing this trope. Averting this often leads to an expanding cast that might turn into a HeroesUnlimited or TheChosenMany, or even grounds for a spinoff.

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The real reason for the existence of this trope is due to settings that focus on the hero being special, unique, or one-of-a-kind; if lots of people gain gained powers and become became superheroes, then it steals some of the main character's thunder. They become less special, unique, and one-of-a-kind. Never mind that even if [[ComicBook/TopTen everyone in the setting]] [[Comicbook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}} had powers or gadgets]] it can be a compelling read, some authors must have felt insecure enough about could undermine this that they kept reusing this trope.sort of story. Averting this often leads to an expanding cast that might turn into a HeroesUnlimited or TheChosenMany, or even grounds for a spinoff.



So basically, this aesop is logical when both the hero and muggle are low on the SuperWeight scale... but gets really iffy when someone who by all rights ought to have been treated as a young hero in need of guidance, isn't.
5th Jan '18 12:19:35 AM DragonQuestZ
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* Several years prior to the beginning of ''ComicBook/PowerGirl'' story ''Fanfic/AForceOfFour'', Lyta wanted to quit college and become the next ''Franchise/WonderWoman''. Her mother' retort was: "Like Hell". She would not allow it until Lyta was of legal age.
4th Jan '18 6:19:26 PM nombretomado
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There's a strange DoubleStandard regarding superheroics. Most superheroes [[HowToGiveACharacterSuperpowers get their powers by accident]] and choose to use them for good with little to no training beforehand. This is what makes them {{Heroes}}.

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There's a strange DoubleStandard regarding superheroics. Most superheroes [[HowToGiveACharacterSuperpowers [[JustForFun/HowToGiveACharacterSuperpowers get their powers by accident]] and choose to use them for good with little to no training beforehand. This is what makes them {{Heroes}}.
30th Sep '17 2:18:28 AM lillolillo
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* Several years prior to the beginning of ''ComicBook/PowerGirl'' story ''Fanfic/AForceOfFour'', Lyta wanted to quit college and become the next ''Franchise/WonderWoman''. Her mother' retort was: "Like Hell". She would not allow it until Lyta was of legal age.
4th Aug '17 8:59:26 AM dmcreif
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** Similarly, in situations where civilians have involved themselves in stopping a crime in progress, it's common to hear a police spokesperson cautiously congratulate the person's bravery whilst still stressing that ordinary civilians should leave the crime-fighting to the police, as the police have undergone extensive training to deal with such situations in a way as to make sure that as few people as possible are killed or injured in doing so, and most civilians haven't. The police can't stop every crime in progress, but that is ''not'' a license to take rash actions.
** Although, when taken too far, this leads to BystanderSyndrome.

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** * Similarly, in situations where civilians have involved themselves in stopping a crime in progress, it's common to hear a police spokesperson cautiously congratulate the person's bravery whilst still stressing that ordinary civilians should leave the crime-fighting to the police, as the police have undergone extensive training to deal with such situations in a way as to make sure that as few people as possible are killed or injured in doing so, and most civilians haven't. The police can't stop every crime in progress, but that is ''not'' a license to take rash actions.
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actions. Although, when taken too far, this leads to BystanderSyndrome.
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