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26th Jul '16 3:34:33 AM Chabal2
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** A lot of Chaos cults start out as organizations for actual reform (removing corrupt leaders, purging mutants, killing criminals...). Unfortunately, while a lot of what the Imperium does ''is'' stupid and wasteful, a lot of what it does is also a NecessaryEvil, and Chaos is all too happy to exploit this.
8th Jul '16 2:46:54 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* After Dixie and Izzy of Special K lost the Wrestling/{{R|ingOfHonor}}OH TagTeam Title belts to the Briscoes and then the whole group was beaten by Generation Next, they became depressed and eventually turned on one another. Lacey's Angels was initially about regaining their glory and tag title belts but Lacey eventually started caring more about her own reputation, which lead to firing Izzy and Dixie for BJ Whitmer and Wrestling/JimmyJacobs. This lead to her insisting Jacobs change in various ways to the detriment of her tag team's performance, which in turn lead to Whitmer leaving in disgust as Jacobs [[LoveMakesYouDumb bowed to her every whim]]. Eventually tag team ambitions fell to the wayside completely as Lacey became more focused on her vengeance against Whitmer and then Wrestling/ColtCabana for refusing to put up with her increasingly self centered practices.



* In 2013 The Decade started out attacking Eddie Edwards, who was leaving Wrestling/RingOfHonor for TNA, saying they were tired of seeing people celebrating when wrestlers leave for larger companies. Then they switched gears to attacking wrestlers returning from larger companies like [[Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels The]] [[Wrestling/FrankieKazarian Addiction]]. Then they started attacking wrestlers who were worked for ROH part time while contracted by larger companies(reigning [[Wrestling/NewJapanProWrestling IWGP]] Champion Wrestling/AJStyles). Then they started attacking new wrestlers they suspected of trying to use ROH to get noticed by larger companies. Their focus had shifted a great deal, but at least [[DownplayedTrope there was a consistent theme]]. But in 2015 BJ Whitmer tried to turn Decade into his personal army against Steve Corino, which ended up destroying the group.

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* In 2013 The Decade started out attacking Eddie Edwards, who was leaving Wrestling/RingOfHonor for TNA, saying they were tired of seeing people celebrating when wrestlers leave for larger companies. Then they switched gears to attacking wrestlers returning from larger companies like [[Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels The]] [[Wrestling/FrankieKazarian Addiction]]. Then they started attacking wrestlers who were worked for ROH part time while contracted by larger companies(reigning [[Wrestling/NewJapanProWrestling IWGP]] Champion Wrestling/AJStyles). Then they started attacking new wrestlers they suspected of trying to use ROH to get noticed by larger companies. Their focus had shifted a great deal, but at least [[DownplayedTrope there was a consistent theme]]. But in 2015 BJ Whitmer tried to turn Decade into his personal army against Steve Corino, which ended up destroying the group.
11th Jun '16 4:08:05 PM nombretomado
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* Emperor Jagang in the ''SwordOfTruth'' books starts out as a man who believes in human superiority and unlimited potential, and believes that magic prevents the men from creating a technological society. Later, he is a religious fanatic/OmnicidalManiac who believes that all men are evil and unworthy of life, and it's his defeat which causes a sudden technological development. At the point of his change, the books take a strong right turn into Objectivist didacticism.

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* Emperor Jagang in the ''SwordOfTruth'' ''Literature/SwordOfTruth'' books starts out as a man who believes in human superiority and unlimited potential, and believes that magic prevents the men from creating a technological society. Later, he is a religious fanatic/OmnicidalManiac who believes that all men are evil and unworthy of life, and it's his defeat which causes a sudden technological development. At the point of his change, the books take a strong right turn into Objectivist didacticism.
10th Jun '16 10:28:01 AM Morgenthaler
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* Victor Helios in DeanKoontz's Frankenstein series first desires to eliminate humanity and replace it with a masterrace of his own creation, and eventually take over the world and the universe. In the sequel series, [[spoiler: his clone who has his memories and personality now just wants to wipe out humanity and then kill himself when it is completed for some reason.]] This is explained by DeanKoontz as the next logical step to the original motivation, even though they are two completely different things.

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* Victor Helios in DeanKoontz's Creator/DeanKoontz's Frankenstein series first desires to eliminate humanity and replace it with a masterrace of his own creation, and eventually take over the world and the universe. In the sequel series, [[spoiler: his clone who has his memories and personality now just wants to wipe out humanity and then kill himself when it is completed for some reason.]] This is explained by DeanKoontz Koontz as the next logical step to the original motivation, even though they are two completely different things.
10th Apr '16 6:52:54 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* In 2013 The Decade started out attacking Eddie Edwards, who was leaving Wrestling/RingOfHonor for TNA, saying they were tired of seeing people celebrating when wrestlers leave for larger companies. Then they switched gears to attacking wrestlers returning from larger companies like [[Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels The]] [[Wrestling/FrankieKazarian Addiction]]. Then they started attacking wrestlers who were worked for ROH part time while contracted by larger companies(reigning [[Wrestling/NewJapanProWrestling IWGP]] Champion Wrestling/AJStyles). Then they started attacking new wrestlers they suspected of trying to use ROH to get noticed by larger companies. They're focus had shifted a great deal, but at least there was a consistent theme. But in 2015 BJ Whitmer tried to turn Decade into his personal army against Steve Corino, which ended up destroying the group.

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* In 2013 The Decade started out attacking Eddie Edwards, who was leaving Wrestling/RingOfHonor for TNA, saying they were tired of seeing people celebrating when wrestlers leave for larger companies. Then they switched gears to attacking wrestlers returning from larger companies like [[Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels The]] [[Wrestling/FrankieKazarian Addiction]]. Then they started attacking wrestlers who were worked for ROH part time while contracted by larger companies(reigning [[Wrestling/NewJapanProWrestling IWGP]] Champion Wrestling/AJStyles). Then they started attacking new wrestlers they suspected of trying to use ROH to get noticed by larger companies. They're Their focus had shifted a great deal, but at least [[DownplayedTrope there was a consistent theme.theme]]. But in 2015 BJ Whitmer tried to turn Decade into his personal army against Steve Corino, which ended up destroying the group.
10th Apr '16 6:50:48 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* When Wrestling/RicFlair betrayed his stable Wrestling/{{Fortune}} to side Wrestling/HulkHogan and Wrestling/EricBischoff's Immortal alliance in 2011, it pretty much did away with all his sense of direction in TNA, both in- and out-of-universe. In-universe he betrayed his own plans to both finally defeat Hogan once and for all and to remake the Horsemen with TNA homegrown talent and proved it was all about the power for him. Out-of-universe he seemed to float around with no purpose, as there wasn't exactly much potential to elevate amongst the Immortal ranks, what with the one young rising star in Gunner being lost in the shuffle at the time. He was such an ineffectual member with Immortal that people were speculating he was being a ReverseMole to help either Fortune or Sting with taking out Hogan, but this never materialized.

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* When Wrestling/RicFlair betrayed his stable Wrestling/{{Fortune}} to side Wrestling/HulkHogan and Wrestling/EricBischoff's Immortal alliance in 2011, it pretty much did away with all his sense of direction in TNA, Wrestling/{{TNA}}, both in- and out-of-universe. In-universe he betrayed his own plans to both finally defeat Hogan once and for all and to remake the Horsemen Wrestling/TheFourHorsemen with TNA homegrown talent and proved it was all about the power for him. Out-of-universe he seemed to float around with no purpose, as there wasn't exactly much potential to elevate amongst the Immortal ranks, what with the one young rising star in Gunner being lost in the shuffle at the time. He was such an ineffectual member with Immortal that people were speculating he was being a ReverseMole to help either Fortune or Sting Wrestling/{{Sting}} with taking out Hogan, but this never materialized.



* In 2013 The Decade started out attacking Eddie Edwards, who was leaving Wrestling/RingOfHonor for TNA, saying they were tired of seeing people celebrating when wrestlers leave for larger companies. Then they switched gears to attacking wrestlers returning from larger companies like [[Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels The]] [[Wrestling/FrankieKazarian Addiction]]. Then they started attacking wrestlers who were worked for ROH part time while contracted by larger companies(reigning [[Wrestling/NewJapanProWrestling IWGP]] Champion Wrestling/AJStyles). Then they started attacking new wrestlers they suspected of trying to use ROH to get noticed by larger companies. They're focus had shifted a great deal, but at least there was a consistent theme. But in 2015 BJ Whitmer tried to turn Decade into his personal army against Steve Corino, which ended up destroying the group.



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25th Feb '16 7:46:01 PM Blazer
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* In ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'', the White Fang started out as an organization seeking better treatment of the Faunus race. However, when the old leadership gave way for new ones, the CycleOfRevenge decided that peace wasn't worth it and decided to go wreck shit, especially if its human-made and especially if it involves the Schnee Dust Company
12th Dec '15 7:31:14 PM nombretomado
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** We see this happen to Ysanne Isard, head of Imperial Intelligence, over the course of the XWingSeries. In the first book, Rogue Squadron is just another enemy asset to be destroyed, while Isard's attention is still on her wider XanatosGambit to destroy the New Republic. By book four the Rogues have [[SpannerInTheWorks thrown a wrench]] in her plan, one of them "defiled" her [[TheAlcatraz secret prison]] by escaping it, and the squadron has gone on to wage a guerrilla war against Isard's power base - so she lets it [[ItsPersonal get personal]] and starts prioritizing hurting them even when it goes against the rest of her interests. Even Isard recognizes her VillainousBreakdown, but by that point she's too far gone to change tactics, while her subordinates begin to [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech call her out]] and desert her.

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** We see this happen to Ysanne Isard, head of Imperial Intelligence, over the course of the XWingSeries.Literature/XWingSeries. In the first book, Rogue Squadron is just another enemy asset to be destroyed, while Isard's attention is still on her wider XanatosGambit to destroy the New Republic. By book four the Rogues have [[SpannerInTheWorks thrown a wrench]] in her plan, one of them "defiled" her [[TheAlcatraz secret prison]] by escaping it, and the squadron has gone on to wage a guerrilla war against Isard's power base - so she lets it [[ItsPersonal get personal]] and starts prioritizing hurting them even when it goes against the rest of her interests. Even Isard recognizes her VillainousBreakdown, but by that point she's too far gone to change tactics, while her subordinates begin to [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech call her out]] and desert her.
15th Nov '15 2:57:22 PM KingLyger
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This is often someone who starts out with a specific goal, as a WellIntentionedExtremist or someone out for [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge revenge against the perpetrators]] of a particular (perceived) wrong, or someone who is driven to actions by unfortunate circumstances. This can make a very deep and often tragic character, but it's hard for the writers to keep it up, especially in a long-running franchise, where later writers often just don't "get" it. Sometimes the writer is trying to give some kind of {{Aesop}} that because their original motive was grey, this leads to [[BlackAndWhiteMorality monochrome]] quickly. [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope Too quickly.]]

This often happens when a story has [[RoguesGallery several antagonists]], one of whom is only needed for [[ConflictBall conflict]]. Expect the character to become a [[CardCarryingVillain cartoonishly evil megalomaniac]]. If this happens to a side character, it is often followed by {{flanderisation}}. Perhaps even more strangely, the other characters won't notice such decay and will, at the least, be unsurprised that this character is now a walking [[StockCharacters cliche]]. If this happens to a series protagonist, expect a DorkAge, gnashing of teeth and shrieks of DarthWiki/RuinedForever!

This is, if anything, even more common in stories told out of order, as a writer wishing to give a two-dimensional characters more depth will go back and write a backstory exploring the reasons behind his [[SuperHeroOrigin good]] or [[StartOfDarkness bad]] actions, especially as the character tends to be the protagonist of the backstory.

Comics do this a to a certain degree, as various writers are [[DependingOnTheWriter more or less interested]] in character depth. This is common in serial works in general for another reason -- usually, a villain becomes popular for what they do as a villain and not for the reason they do it, so when they want to keep using a character, writers have an incentive to discard motivations that might get in the way and put them through {{Flanderization}} down to their most essential parts. A particularly common form of this for B-list villains is for them to have a clear and understandable motive the first few times they appear, which eventually decays into "get revenge on the hero for the last time they defeated me" ad infinitum.

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This is often someone who starts out with a specific goal, as a WellIntentionedExtremist or someone out for [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge revenge against the perpetrators]] of a particular (perceived) wrong, wrong (real or imagined), or someone who is driven to actions by unfortunate circumstances. This can make a very deep and often tragic character, but it's hard for the writers to keep it up, especially in a long-running franchise, where franchise. Perhaps the author simply has trouble following through on their original idea, [[PlotTumor other parts of the story got more important]], or the creator [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants was making up as they went]]. Perhaps later writers often who come on in the middle of a work's run just don't "get" it. Sometimes the writer is trying to give some kind of {{Aesop}} that because their original motive was grey, this leads to [[BlackAndWhiteMorality monochrome]] quickly. [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope Too quickly.]]

This often happens when a story has [[RoguesGallery several antagonists]], one of whom is only needed for [[ConflictBall conflict]]. Expect the character to become a [[CardCarryingVillain cartoonishly evil megalomaniac]]. If this happens to a side character, it is often followed by {{flanderisation}}.{{Flanderization}}. Perhaps even more strangely, the other characters won't notice such decay and will, at the least, be unsurprised that this character is now a walking [[StockCharacters cliche]]. If this happens to a series protagonist, expect a DorkAge, gnashing of teeth and shrieks of DarthWiki/RuinedForever!

This is, if anything, even more common in stories told out of order, as a writer wishing to give a two-dimensional characters character more depth will go back and write a backstory exploring the reasons behind his [[SuperHeroOrigin good]] or [[StartOfDarkness bad]] actions, especially as the character tends to be the protagonist of the backstory.

Comics do this a to a certain degree, as various writers are [[DependingOnTheWriter more or less interested]] in character depth. depth than another writer. This is common in serial works in general for another reason -- usually, a villain becomes popular for what they do as a villain and not for the reason they do it, so when they want to keep using a character, writers have an incentive to discard motivations that might get in the way and put them through {{Flanderization}} Flanderization down to their most essential parts. A particularly common form of this for B-list villains is for them to have a clear and understandable motive the first few times they appear, which eventually decays into "get revenge on the hero for the last time they defeated me" ad infinitum.
3rd Oct '15 9:27:39 AM nombretomado
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* OlderThanSteam: {{Satan}} in Creator/JohnMilton's ''ParadiseLost'' initially views corrupting mankind as a continuation of the fight for freedom from God. When he realizes that his rebellion against God has been a terrible mistake from the start, he decides that he can no longer be good and must embrace evil as his good. Later on, his motives further degrade to something akin to "Since I'm evil now, I must cause God as much trouble as possible." This decay is likely deliberate, as the whole arc of Satan being diminished in mind (as well as [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman stature]] -- from towering angel to serpent) exemplifies just how destructive evil can be to its practitioners.

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* OlderThanSteam: {{Satan}} in Creator/JohnMilton's ''ParadiseLost'' ''Literature/ParadiseLost'' initially views corrupting mankind as a continuation of the fight for freedom from God. When he realizes that his rebellion against God has been a terrible mistake from the start, he decides that he can no longer be good and must embrace evil as his good. Later on, his motives further degrade to something akin to "Since I'm evil now, I must cause God as much trouble as possible." This decay is likely deliberate, as the whole arc of Satan being diminished in mind (as well as [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman stature]] -- from towering angel to serpent) exemplifies just how destructive evil can be to its practitioners.
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