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24th Jun '17 8:28:09 PM Discar
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-->-- '''Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz''', after another defeat by Perry. ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb''

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-->-- '''Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz''', after another defeat by Perry. Perry, ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb''
18th Mar '17 5:23:44 PM TheUnknownUploader
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::Note that all around him the stage and background are going haywire and falling apart, (corresponding to the condition of Yeltsin era Russia) and yet he doesn't care about the fact that conditions for the people are essentially the same as they were under the Tsar, except that he's now the one with the money now.

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::Note ** Note that all around him the stage and background are going haywire and falling apart, (corresponding to the condition of Yeltsin era Russia) and yet he doesn't care about the fact that conditions for the people are essentially the same as they were under the Tsar, except that he's now the one with the money now.
18th Feb '17 2:07:13 AM riothegod
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->''"I used to have goals!"''
-->-- '''Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz''', ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb''

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->''"I used to have goals!"''
goals. They were evil goals, but they were goals"''
-->-- '''Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz''', after another defeat by Perry. ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb''
30th Oct '16 3:27:52 PM nombretomado
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* In the ''HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, this explicitly happens to BigBad Ma'ar, alongside and combined with his VillainDecay. In the Mage Wars he was a WellIntentionedExtremist who united the barbarian tribes and sought to impose a UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. Through successive reincarnations and overuse of BloodMagic, he eventually devolves into a twisted, megalomaniacal schemer whose grandiose plans to TakeOverTheWorld end up thwarted by generation after generation of heroes. This all turns out to have been a scheme of [[ThePowersThatBe the gods]], who needed his knowledge to avert the return of the magical Cataclysm that started with his original death.

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* In the ''HeraldsOfValdemar'' ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, this explicitly happens to BigBad Ma'ar, alongside and combined with his VillainDecay. In the Mage Wars he was a WellIntentionedExtremist who united the barbarian tribes and sought to impose a UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. Through successive reincarnations and overuse of BloodMagic, he eventually devolves into a twisted, megalomaniacal schemer whose grandiose plans to TakeOverTheWorld end up thwarted by generation after generation of heroes. This all turns out to have been a scheme of [[ThePowersThatBe the gods]], who needed his knowledge to avert the return of the magical Cataclysm that started with his original death.
13th Oct '16 8:30:33 AM HasturHasturHastur
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This is often someone who starts out with a specific goal, as a WellIntentionedExtremist or someone out for [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge revenge against the perpetrators]] of a particular wrong (real or imagined), or someone who is driven to actions by unfortunate circumstances. This can make a very deep and often tragic character, but it's hard for the writers to keep it up, especially in a long-running franchise. Perhaps the author simply has trouble following through on their original idea, [[PlotTumor other parts of the story got more important]], or the creator [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants was making up as they went]]. Perhaps later writers who come on in the middle of a work's run just don't "get" it. Sometimes the writer is trying to give some kind of {{Aesop}} that because their original motive was grey, this leads to [[BlackAndWhiteMorality monochrome]] quickly. [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope Too quickly.]]

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This is often someone who starts out with a specific goal, as a WellIntentionedExtremist or someone out for [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge revenge against the perpetrators]] of a particular wrong (real or imagined), or someone who is driven to actions by unfortunate circumstances. This can make a very deep and often tragic character, but it's hard for the writers to keep it up, especially in a long-running franchise. Perhaps the author simply has trouble following through on their original idea, [[PlotTumor other parts of the story got more important]], or the creator [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants was making up as they went]]. Perhaps later writers who come on in the middle of a work's run just don't "get" it. Sometimes the writer is trying to give some kind of {{Aesop}} that because their original motive was grey, this leads to [[BlackAndWhiteMorality monochrome]] quickly. [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope Too quickly.]]
]] On the other hand, it sometimes is intentional. The character may very well have lost track of what they were fighting for and kept going on in spite of this because [[IveComeTooFar they have nothing else left]].
7th Sep '16 10:27:25 AM aidreamer
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* In ''Webcomic/TheAdventuresOfDrMcNinja'', throughout most of the story, the BigBad, King Radical, has the main goal of saving his world and people by sacrificing the Doctor's world. But when the Doctor ruins his plans beyond repair, the only motive King Radical has left is to make the Doctor suffer as much as possible.
26th Jul '16 3:34:33 AM Chabal2
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** A lot of Chaos cults start out as organizations for actual reform (removing corrupt leaders, purging mutants, killing criminals...). Unfortunately, while a lot of what the Imperium does ''is'' stupid and wasteful, a lot of what it does is also a NecessaryEvil, and Chaos is all too happy to exploit this.
8th Jul '16 2:46:54 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* After Dixie and Izzy of Special K lost the Wrestling/{{R|ingOfHonor}}OH TagTeam Title belts to the Briscoes and then the whole group was beaten by Generation Next, they became depressed and eventually turned on one another. Lacey's Angels was initially about regaining their glory and tag title belts but Lacey eventually started caring more about her own reputation, which lead to firing Izzy and Dixie for BJ Whitmer and Wrestling/JimmyJacobs. This lead to her insisting Jacobs change in various ways to the detriment of her tag team's performance, which in turn lead to Whitmer leaving in disgust as Jacobs [[LoveMakesYouDumb bowed to her every whim]]. Eventually tag team ambitions fell to the wayside completely as Lacey became more focused on her vengeance against Whitmer and then Wrestling/ColtCabana for refusing to put up with her increasingly self centered practices.



* In 2013 The Decade started out attacking Eddie Edwards, who was leaving Wrestling/RingOfHonor for TNA, saying they were tired of seeing people celebrating when wrestlers leave for larger companies. Then they switched gears to attacking wrestlers returning from larger companies like [[Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels The]] [[Wrestling/FrankieKazarian Addiction]]. Then they started attacking wrestlers who were worked for ROH part time while contracted by larger companies(reigning [[Wrestling/NewJapanProWrestling IWGP]] Champion Wrestling/AJStyles). Then they started attacking new wrestlers they suspected of trying to use ROH to get noticed by larger companies. Their focus had shifted a great deal, but at least [[DownplayedTrope there was a consistent theme]]. But in 2015 BJ Whitmer tried to turn Decade into his personal army against Steve Corino, which ended up destroying the group.

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* In 2013 The Decade started out attacking Eddie Edwards, who was leaving Wrestling/RingOfHonor for TNA, saying they were tired of seeing people celebrating when wrestlers leave for larger companies. Then they switched gears to attacking wrestlers returning from larger companies like [[Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels The]] [[Wrestling/FrankieKazarian Addiction]]. Then they started attacking wrestlers who were worked for ROH part time while contracted by larger companies(reigning [[Wrestling/NewJapanProWrestling IWGP]] Champion Wrestling/AJStyles). Then they started attacking new wrestlers they suspected of trying to use ROH to get noticed by larger companies. Their focus had shifted a great deal, but at least [[DownplayedTrope there was a consistent theme]]. But in 2015 BJ Whitmer tried to turn Decade into his personal army against Steve Corino, which ended up destroying the group.
11th Jun '16 4:08:05 PM nombretomado
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* Emperor Jagang in the ''SwordOfTruth'' books starts out as a man who believes in human superiority and unlimited potential, and believes that magic prevents the men from creating a technological society. Later, he is a religious fanatic/OmnicidalManiac who believes that all men are evil and unworthy of life, and it's his defeat which causes a sudden technological development. At the point of his change, the books take a strong right turn into Objectivist didacticism.

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* Emperor Jagang in the ''SwordOfTruth'' ''Literature/SwordOfTruth'' books starts out as a man who believes in human superiority and unlimited potential, and believes that magic prevents the men from creating a technological society. Later, he is a religious fanatic/OmnicidalManiac who believes that all men are evil and unworthy of life, and it's his defeat which causes a sudden technological development. At the point of his change, the books take a strong right turn into Objectivist didacticism.
10th Jun '16 10:28:01 AM Morgenthaler
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* Victor Helios in DeanKoontz's Frankenstein series first desires to eliminate humanity and replace it with a masterrace of his own creation, and eventually take over the world and the universe. In the sequel series, [[spoiler: his clone who has his memories and personality now just wants to wipe out humanity and then kill himself when it is completed for some reason.]] This is explained by DeanKoontz as the next logical step to the original motivation, even though they are two completely different things.

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* Victor Helios in DeanKoontz's Creator/DeanKoontz's Frankenstein series first desires to eliminate humanity and replace it with a masterrace of his own creation, and eventually take over the world and the universe. In the sequel series, [[spoiler: his clone who has his memories and personality now just wants to wipe out humanity and then kill himself when it is completed for some reason.]] This is explained by DeanKoontz Koontz as the next logical step to the original motivation, even though they are two completely different things.
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