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27th Nov '15 8:26:40 PM ruakh
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''At some point during a discussion on a work in pop culture, the probability of someone stating a variation of [[MST3KMantra "Why can't you just enjoy it for what it is?"]] in order to dismiss critical analysis is high.''

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''At some point during a discussion on a work in pop culture, the probability of someone stating a variation of '''Moff's Law:''' Never try to dismiss critical analysis by asking, [[MST3KMantra "Why can't you just enjoy it for what it is?"]] in order to dismiss critical analysis is high.''
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Until one comment poster Moff on Annalee Newitz's io9 article [[http://io9.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-stop-making-movies-like-avatar When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?]] had enough. Moff (known in RealLife as fellow io9 contributor Josh Wimmer) posted this legendary comment, which was dubbed [[http://www.racialicious.com/2009/12/21/and-we-shall-call-this-moffs-law/ "Moff's Law"]] by race-meets-pop-culture blog Racialicious. The abridged, vitriol-less version is posted here:

->First of all, when we analyze art, when we look for deeper meaning in it, ''we are enjoying it for what it is.'' Because that is one of the things about art, be it highbrow, lowbrow, mainstream, or avant-garde: Some sort of thought went into its making -- even if the thought was, "I'm going to do this as thoughtlessly as possible!" -- and as a result, some sort of thought can be gotten from its reception. That is why, among other things, artists (including, for instance, Creator/JamesCameron) really like to talk about their work.

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Until one comment poster Moff on Annalee Newitz's io9 article [[http://io9.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-stop-making-movies-like-avatar When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?]] had enough. Moff (known in RealLife as fellow io9 contributor Josh Wimmer) posted this legendary comment, which Moff's law tells us not to do this. The name "Moff's Law" was dubbed introduced in [[http://www.racialicious.com/2009/12/21/and-we-shall-call-this-moffs-law/ "Moff's Law"]] by a blog post in race-meets-pop-culture blog Racialicious. The abridged, vitriol-less Racialicious]]; it refers to a then-recent comment by Moff (known in RealLife as io9 contributor Josh Wimmer) on Annalee Newitz's io9 article [[http://io9.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-stop-making-movies-like-avatar When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?]]. Here is an abridged version is of this comment, minus some vitriol:

->Of all the varieties of irritating comment out there, the absolute most annoying has to be “Why can’t you just watch the movie for what it is??? Why can’t you just enjoy it? Why do you have to analyze it???”

->If you have
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such a comment, or if you are about to post such a comment, here or anywhere else, let me just advise you: Shut up. [...] SHUT. UP.

->First of all, when we analyze art, when we look for deeper meaning in it, ''we are '''are''' enjoying it for what it is.'' Because that is one of the things about art, be it highbrow, lowbrow, mainstream, or avant-garde: Some sort of thought went into its making -- even if the thought was, "I'm going to do this as thoughtlessly as possible!" -- and as a result, some sort of thought can be gotten from its reception. That is why, among other things, artists (including, for instance, Creator/JamesCameron) really like to talk about their work.
26th Nov '15 10:03:23 PM Vanish
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When pop culture and fans intersect, there are sure to be discussion on a work's merit and message. These discussions take place on blogs, message boards and even on [[HomePage this wiki.]] Sometimes certain subjects (such as race, gender, etc) will come up and serious analysis will take place. At some point, someone will say a variation of this question: ''"Why can't you just enjoy it for what it is?"'' This statement is usually meant to derail discussion and protect their favorite work from criticism.

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When pop culture and fans intersect, there are sure to be discussion on a work's merit and message. These discussions take place on blogs, message boards and even on [[HomePage this wiki.]] Sometimes certain subjects (such as race, gender, etc) will come up and serious analysis will take place. At some point, someone will say a variation of this question: ''"Why can't you just enjoy it for what it is?"'' This statement is usually meant to derail discussion and protect their favorite work from criticism.
criticism (although it may also be done in order to prevent SeriousBusiness from escalating too much).
7th Sep '14 12:23:06 AM MegaJ
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This is an often used response to the notion in some circles that comic book superheroes are modern mythology. Detractors insist that this reflects a general misunderstanding of what mythology is and it's purpose in culture. It is felt that such implausable parallels are drawn in a futile effort to legitimize the medium of comic books as a "art form" worthy scholarly notice. Rather, they are indifferent towards the issue of "legitimization" and status as "art form" insisting that the purpose of comic books is to entertain.
6th Sep '14 10:06:47 PM avon
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This is an often used response to the notion in some circles that comic book superheroes are modern mythology. Detractors insist that this reflects a general misunderstanding of what mythology is and it's purpose in culture. It is felt that such ridiculous comparisons are made in a futile effort to legitimize the medium of comic books as a "art form" worthy scholarly notice. Rather, they are indifferent towards the issue of "legitimization" and status as "art form" insisting that the purpose of comic books is to entertain.

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This is an often used response to the notion in some circles that comic book superheroes are modern mythology. Detractors insist that this reflects a general misunderstanding of what mythology is and it's purpose in culture. It is felt that such ridiculous comparisons implausable parallels are made drawn in a futile effort to legitimize the medium of comic books as a "art form" worthy scholarly notice. Rather, they are indifferent towards the issue of "legitimization" and status as "art form" insisting that the purpose of comic books is to entertain.
6th Sep '14 10:04:43 PM avon
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This is an oft used response to the notion that comic book superheroes are modern mythology. Detractors insist that this reflects a general misunderstanding of what mythology is and it's purpose in culture. It is felt that such ridiculous comparisons are made in a futile effort to legitimize the medium of comic books as a "art form" worthy scholarly notice. Rather, they are indifferent towards the issue of "legitimization" and status as "art form" insisting that the purpose of comic books is to entertain.

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This is an oft often used response to the notion in some circles that comic book superheroes are modern mythology. Detractors insist that this reflects a general misunderstanding of what mythology is and it's purpose in culture. It is felt that such ridiculous comparisons are made in a futile effort to legitimize the medium of comic books as a "art form" worthy scholarly notice. Rather, they are indifferent towards the issue of "legitimization" and status as "art form" insisting that the purpose of comic books is to entertain.
6th Sep '14 10:02:45 PM avon
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This is an oft used response to the notion that comic book superheroes are modern mythology. Detractors insist that this reflects a general misunderstanding of what mythology is and it's purpose in culture. It is felt that such ridiculous comparisons are made in a futile effort to legitimize the medium of comic books as a "art form" worthy scholarly notice. Rather, they are indifferent towards the issue of "legitimization" and status as "art form" insisting that the purpose of comic books is to entertain.
20th Feb '14 2:38:09 PM m8e
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->First of all, when we analyze art, when we look for deeper meaning in it, ''we are enjoying it for what it is.'' Because that is one of the things about art, be it highbrow, lowbrow, mainstream, or avant-garde: Some sort of thought went into its making -- even if the thought was, "I'm going to do this as thoughtlessly as possible!" -- and as a result, some sort of thought can be gotten from its reception. That is why, among other things, artists (including, for instance, JamesCameron) really like to talk about their work.

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->First of all, when we analyze art, when we look for deeper meaning in it, ''we are enjoying it for what it is.'' Because that is one of the things about art, be it highbrow, lowbrow, mainstream, or avant-garde: Some sort of thought went into its making -- even if the thought was, "I'm going to do this as thoughtlessly as possible!" -- and as a result, some sort of thought can be gotten from its reception. That is why, among other things, artists (including, for instance, JamesCameron) Creator/JamesCameron) really like to talk about their work.
28th Jan '14 1:24:39 PM AnotherDuck
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Contrast BellisariosMaxim. Not to be confused with the other [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse Moff's Law]][[note]]"You may fire when ready."[[/note]], the [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarkin_Doctrine Tarkin Doctrine]] or the ''other'' other [[Creator/StevenMoffat Moff's Law]] [[note]]"It is the proper duty of every British subject to come to the aid of [[Series/DoctorWho the TARDIS"]][[/note]]. Compare ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars, a similar defense used to derail criticism.

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Contrast BellisariosMaxim.BellisariosMaxim and MeasuringTheMarigolds. Not to be confused with the other [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse Moff's Law]][[note]]"You may fire when ready."[[/note]], the [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarkin_Doctrine Tarkin Doctrine]] or the ''other'' other [[Creator/StevenMoffat Moff's Law]] [[note]]"It is the proper duty of every British subject to come to the aid of [[Series/DoctorWho the TARDIS"]][[/note]]. Compare ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars, a similar defense used to derail criticism.
4th Jan '13 12:32:31 PM zylon
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This "law" has spread to other blogs, and in some cases, actually enforced by bans. It was certainly a welcome voice to many a poster. Creator/RogerEbert actually mentioned this on his Website/{{Twitter}} account.

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This "law" has spread to other blogs, and in some cases, is actually enforced by bans. It was certainly a welcome voice to many a poster. Creator/RogerEbert actually mentioned this on his Website/{{Twitter}} account.
27th Oct '12 5:27:36 PM MegaJ
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There's nothing wrong with critiquing a work of art.
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