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8th Jan '17 3:03:56 PM AgentTasmania
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** The Nazis had several super-heavy tank projects. You have the Landkreuzer projects, which were never completed. The ''Ratte'' would be a 1000-ton mobile fortress armed to the teeth (including naval artillery), while the (nominally) 1500-ton ''Monster'' would be armed with a ''railway'' artillery gun (800-mm; a single shell is twice the size of a Soviet T-34 tank). Both projects were scrapped in 1943, as their mass would make the tanks move at a snail's pace (if they could get them moving at all), or more critically, make a barn-sized target for even the high-altitude Allied aircraft.
*** These were preceded by the 190 ton Panzer VIII ''Maus'', the largest tank ever actually built (barely; only two prototypes and one never had its turret installed), wasn't quite as insane but still very much an example. Its turret alone was as large as many tanks, and this allowed it to carry a huge 128mm main gun ''and'' a 75mm secondary gun side by side in it. Its front armor was 200-230mm (8-9 inches) thick and even its "weak point" at the rear had 150mm (6 inch) thick armor. That makes its ''thinnest'' armor only 1 inch thicker than the "thickest" armor on the King Tiger Heavy tank, the most well protected tank of any nation to see mass production during the entire war. But it had only slightly better mobility than a beached whale, with a top speed of 20 km/h (12 mph), and even that only on firm, level ground. Its massive weight meant that it would be unable to move at all in muddy ground, and it was too heavy for most bridges. Essentially the ''Maus'' was a barely-mobile heavy pillbox.

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** The Nazis had several super-heavy tank projects. You have the Landkreuzer projects, which were never completed. The P1000 ''Ratte'' would be a 1000-ton 1000-tonne mobile fortress armed to the teeth (including naval artillery), with two battlecruiser guns and many smaller peices, while the (nominally) 1500-ton 1500-tonne P1500 ''Monster'' would be armed with a ''railway'' artillery the largest gun (800-mm; a single shell is twice the size of a Soviet T-34 tank). ever fired in anger. Both projects were scrapped in 1943, as their mass would make the tanks move at a snail's pace (if they could get them moving at all), or more critically, make a barn-sized target for even the high-altitude Allied aircraft.
aircraft. And engineers looking at the proposals quickly figured they'd double the weights in their names.
*** These were preceded by the 190 ton Panzer VIII ''Maus'', the largest tank ever actually built (barely; only two prototypes and one never had its turret installed), wasn't quite as insane but still very much an example. Its turret alone was as large as many tanks, and this allowed it to carry a huge 128mm main gun ''and'' a 75mm secondary gun side by side in it. Its front armor was 200-230mm (8-9 inches) thick and even its "weak point" at the rear had 150mm (6 inch) thick armor. That makes its ''thinnest'' armor only 1 inch thicker than equal to the "thickest" armor on the King Tiger Heavy tank, the most well protected tank of any nation to see mass production during the entire war. But it had only slightly better mobility than a beached whale, with a top speed of 20 km/h (12 mph), and even that only on firm, level ground. Its massive weight meant that it would be unable to move at all in muddy ground, and it was too heavy for most bridges. Essentially the ''Maus'' was a barely-mobile heavy pillbox.
23rd Dec '16 3:11:59 AM DeanMT94
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** Roman legionaries themselves count, at least when in formation. Tall, heavy shields meant that the men carrying them couldn't move very quickly, but just try stopping a Roman legion once it gets going. The men were trained to step forward, strike out with their shield, stab with their sword, repeat until all the enemy were dead. Even in battles where the Romans ''lost'', like Trebia (218 BC against Hannibal), the legionaries tended to enjoy some success and break the enemy formation simply by relentlessly marching forward and killing.
8th Dec '16 11:43:31 AM kikiandlala
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** Space Marine Terminators and Chaos Marine Obliterators can't run. However, both have even better armour rating than the standard power armour, and every member in their squad uses weapons that would normally be restricted for regular troops to the preciously limited special or heavy weapons category.
5th Dec '16 2:36:01 PM Kakai
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* In ''Literature/TheTraitorSonCycle'', the {{Monstrous Humanoid}}s that Aneas' band is tracking down are very huge and well-armoured, but slow enough that when a fight breaks out, Aneas is almost running circles around them.
20th Nov '16 10:08:14 AM HighCrate
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** Though they don't always have to be played like this, Fighters naturally can equip the heaviest class of armour and they have the proper training to use tower shields, which is more than can be said for [[LightningBruiser Barbarians]] and [[FragileSpeedster Monks]].
20th Nov '16 8:43:12 AM Morgenthaler
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* StarFleetBattles has battleships. Fearsome things, bristling with weapons, with tremendously thick shields, but their gigantic engines are only enough to drive their gigantic bulk as fast as other ships in the fleet, and they turn like drunk pigs. Only the Klingons actually built any, and they handle as badly as anything else anyone ever built. The Federation designed one, and it handles even worse than that.

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* StarFleetBattles ''TabletopGame/StarFleetBattles'' has battleships. Fearsome things, bristling with weapons, with tremendously thick shields, but their gigantic engines are only enough to drive their gigantic bulk as fast as other ships in the fleet, and they turn like drunk pigs. Only the Klingons actually built any, and they handle as badly as anything else anyone ever built. The Federation designed one, and it handles even worse than that.
12th Nov '16 1:05:19 PM thatmadork
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** Though they don't always have to be played like this, Fighters naturally can equip the heaviest class of armour and they have the proper training to use tower shields, which is more than can be said for [[LightningBruiser Barbarians]] and [[FragileSpeedster Monks]].
24th Oct '16 5:24:34 PM DarthWalrus
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** Although the American army relied more on nimble turreted tank destroyers, they did contemplate on building assault vehicles similar to those of the German army. Their finest example was the experimental T28/T95 superheavy tank, which was designed for assaulting the heavily fortified walls and bunkers guarding the Axis homelands. Its frontal armor has a thickness of 305 mm (12 in), its gun had a caliber of 105 mm, and its max speed is only 13 km/h (8 mph). So it had more protection and firepower than the Elefant and Jagdtiger while also having worse mobility. However, the Army ultimately passed up on the T28/95, viewing it as [[AwesomeButImpractical unusable in combat]] as the heavy weight limited movement across terrain and couldn't arrive in time for combat.

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** Although the American army relied more on nimble turreted tank destroyers, they did contemplate on building assault vehicles similar to those of the German army. Their finest example was the experimental T28/T95 superheavy tank, which was designed for assaulting the heavily fortified walls and bunkers guarding the Axis homelands. Its frontal armor has a thickness of 305 mm (12 in), (literally a ''foot'' thick), its gun had a caliber of 105 mm, and noted to be particularly effective against concrete and its max speed is only 13 km/h (8 mph). So it had more protection and firepower than the Elefant and Jagdtiger while also having worse mobility.The T28/T95 was essentially a steel bunker on treads. However, the Army ultimately passed up on the T28/95, viewing it as [[AwesomeButImpractical unusable in combat]] as the heavy weight limited movement across terrain and couldn't arrive in time for combat.
22nd Oct '16 12:55:03 PM HighCrate
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* The Japanese Battleships [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Yamato ''Yamato'']] and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Musashi ''Musashi'']] were designed to take hits and shrug it off. Both took huge amounts of ordnance before they were sunk. When ''Yamato'' was sacrificed in Operation Ten-Go, the US Navy mobilised close to FOUR HUNDRED planes to sink her. She was so scary, that [[CrazyPrepared fourteen battleships]] were kept in reserve in case the planes failed.
** On a similar note, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck ''Bismarck'']] was hunted by as many as ''forty'' Royal Navy ships after she sank the HMS ''Hood'', was shelled for hours by two battleships, torpedo by planes and ships, and only went down when her crew blew her up themselves. Worth pointing out ''Bismarck'' only got the ''Hood'' with a tremendously unfortunate shot, and the wild overkill in bringing her down was more to do with a big RoaringRampageOfRevenge on the Royal Navy's part rather than impressive durability.
** It should be noted that this was the standard design for battleships before WW2. Even the above examples could still go faster than the average WW1 battleship.
22nd Oct '16 6:55:21 AM Jake18
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** It should be noted that this was the standard design for battleships before WW2. Even the above examples could still go faster than the average WW1 battleship.
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