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24th Jul '17 7:37:09 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** The supposedly "cursed" castle of Harrenhal. Most educated characters in the series dismiss the curse as nothing more than the superstition of ignorant peasants, and would themselves explain the "curse" as the fact that [[TheLoad the castle's sheer size makes holding it a logistical nightmare and a catastrophic drain on resources]]. However, in a world where most of the great strongholds have belonged to the same family literally since pre-history, nine different families have controlled Harrenhal in just three hundred years. Moreover, most of the characters who have been in Harrenhal since the series started have come to a bad end, even one who was named Lord of Harrenhal but never even got there and was dispossessed of it shortly after, died the following year. All-in-all, no matter how much people may dismiss the curse, they aren't exactly eager to claim the title "Lord of Harrenhal" either.

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** The supposedly "cursed" castle of Harrenhal. Most educated characters in the series dismiss the curse as nothing more than the superstition of ignorant peasants, and would themselves explain the "curse" as the fact that [[TheLoad the castle's sheer size makes holding it a logistical nightmare and a catastrophic drain on resources]]. However, in a world where most of the great strongholds have belonged to the same family literally since pre-history, nine different families have controlled Harrenhal in just three hundred years. Moreover, most of the characters who have been in Harrenhal since the series started have come to a bad end, even one who was named Lord of Harrenhal but never even got there and was dispossessed of it shortly after, died the following year. All-in-all, no matter how much people may dismiss the curse, they aren't exactly eager to claim the title "Lord of Harrenhal" either. The current holder of the title is Littlefinger, who refuses to go near it and has mentioned plans to have it torn down for the masonry.
21st Jul '17 6:54:11 AM Silverblade2
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* In ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' -- Flynn and Rapunzel argue.
-->'''Rapunzel:''' Something brought you here, Flynn Rider... Call it what you will. [[BecauseDestinySaysSo Fate, destiny...]]\\
'''Flynn:''' A ''horse''.

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* In ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' -- Flynn ''Disney/TheAdventuresOfIchabodAndMrToad'' deliberately leaves it ambiguous as to whether or not the HeadlessHorseman exists, unlike the book, which very strongly hints that the horseman was Brom Bones in disguise. Notably, the Horseman's horse is the same color as that of Brom Bones, and Rapunzel argue.
-->'''Rapunzel:''' Something brought you here, Flynn Rider... Call it
he also carries a sword identical to that Bones previously wielded. However, Ichabod does at one point look down the Horseman's coat and doesn't see anything, implying what you will. [[BecauseDestinySaysSo Fate, destiny...]]\\
'''Flynn:'''
he encountered was the real deal. In another scene the Horseman's horse jumps from a hill to another who was quite far from the former like it was flying. A ''horse''.thing that a normal horse wouldn't have done it.



* In ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt,'' the Egyptian priests' magic is presented this way--they change their staffs into snakes in the middle of a huge VillainSong, with a bright flash that keeps the audience from seeing what actually happens. They also move impossibly far in parts of the song when the screen goes dark for an instant, but that could just be musical convention instead of in-universe magic. They also apparently summon floating glyphs and control flames with gestures during the same number. Earlier on, their presentation of Tzipporah in tribute to Rameses wouldn't be out of place in a modern magic show, apart from how "the Midian girl" is tied up for real. Them turning water into blood looks more obviously fake, though: they just add some powder that gives it a reddish tint. Of course, the point of the demonstration was to make Moses look like a deceiver.



* ''Disney/TheAdventuresOfIchabodAndMrToad'' deliberately leaves it ambiguous as to whether or not the HeadlessHorseman exists, unlike the book, which very strongly hints that the horseman was Brom Bones in disguise. Notably, the Horseman's horse is the same color as that of Brom Bones, and he also carries a sword identical to that Bones previously wielded. However, Ichabod does at one point look down the Horseman's coat and doesn't see anything, implying what he encountered was the real deal. In another scene the Horseman's horse jumps from a hill to another who was quite far from the former like it was flying. A thing that a normal horse wouldn't have done it.



* In ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt,'' the Egyptian priests' magic is presented this way--they change their staffs into snakes in the middle of a huge VillainSong, with a bright flash that keeps the audience from seeing what actually happens. They also move impossibly far in parts of the song when the screen goes dark for an instant, but that could just be musical convention instead of in-universe magic. They also apparently summon floating glyphs and control flames with gestures during the same number. Earlier on, their presentation of Tzipporah in tribute to Rameses wouldn't be out of place in a modern magic show, apart from how "the Midian girl" is tied up for real. Them turning water into blood looks more obviously fake, though: they just add some powder that gives it a reddish tint. Of course, the point of the demonstration was to make Moses look like a deceiver.



* In ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' -- Flynn and Rapunzel argue.
-->'''Rapunzel:''' Something brought you here, Flynn Rider... Call it what you will. [[BecauseDestinySaysSo Fate, destiny...]]\\
'''Flynn:''' A ''horse''.



* ''Film/TheMessengerTheStoryOfJoanOfArc'': The film suggests the possibility Jeanne didn't really see signs from God, but is just a mentally ill girl who saw what she wanted. On the other hand, some things here (such as somehow picking out Charles from a room full of nobles) don't get explained.



* ''Film/TheMessengerTheStoryOfJoanOfArc'': The film suggests the possibility Jeanne didn't really see signs from God, but is just a mentally ill girl who saw what she wanted. On the other hand, some things here (such as somehow picking out Charles from a room full of nobles) don't get explained.



* In ''Literature/{{Chocolat}}'', Vianne herself admits that she doesn't completely believe in her own witchcraft, and it's left very ambiguous as to whether she's actually doing magic or is just a highly inuitive and imaginative person. She even remarks that all the magic she did with her mother in their travels could very well be explained by coincidence, and that it seemed to occasionally fail for no reason they could find. The sequel is a lot more explicit with its fantastical elements.


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* In ''Literature/{{Chocolat}}'', Vianne herself admits that she doesn't completely believe in her own witchcraft, and it's left very ambiguous as to whether she's actually doing magic or is just a highly inuitive and imaginative person. She even remarks that all the magic she did with her mother in their travels could very well be explained by coincidence, and that it seemed to occasionally fail for no reason they could find. The sequel is a lot more explicit with its fantastical elements.
21st Jul '17 6:50:44 AM Silverblade2
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* ''Literature/GravityFallsJournal3'': The people whose eyes were glowing yellow at Triple Digits Truck Stop had that either because Bill Cipher was messing with Ford or because the sunrise was "coming in through the window".



* ''Literature/GravityFallsJournal3'': The people whose eyes were glowing yellow at Triple Digits Truck Stop had that either because Bill Cipher was messing with Ford or because the sunrise was "coming in through the window".



* ''Series/TheDefenders'': Madame Gao. Throughout her appearances in ''Series/Daredevil2015'' and ''Series/IronFist2017'', she knows pretty much everything there is to know about everyone she talks to, which makes her an extremely effective negotiator and adept at [[BreakThemByTalking breaking people by talking]]. Neither the audience nor other characters can tell whether her intelligence network is just that good or if it's tied to her mystical origins. As she tells Wilson Fisk, she is fully aware of how odd her somewhat mystical trappings make her seem to others, which sometimes lets them underestimate her as a shrewd, intelligent businesswoman.
-->'''Gao:''' ''[mockingly, in Mandarin]'' Did I divine the location [of your penthouse] from bones and spells, chanted beneath the moonlight? No. I discovered it because you have grown sloppy. ''[clicks tongue]'' And emotional.



* ''Series/TheDefenders'': Madame Gao. Throughout her appearances in ''Series/Daredevil2015'' and ''Series/IronFist2017'', she knows pretty much everything there is to know about everyone she talks to, which makes her an extremely effective negotiator and adept at [[BreakThemByTalking breaking people by talking]]. Neither the audience nor other characters can tell whether her intelligence network is just that good or if it's tied to her mystical origins. As she tells Wilson Fisk, she is fully aware of how odd her somewhat mystical trappings make her seem to others, which sometimes lets them underestimate her as a shrewd, intelligent businesswoman.
-->'''Gao:''' ''[mockingly, in Mandarin]'' Did I divine the location [of your penthouse] from bones and spells, chanted beneath the moonlight? No. I discovered it because you have grown sloppy. ''[clicks tongue]'' And emotional.



* In ''VisualNovel/{{AIR}}'', Kano may or may not be [[SpeaksFluentAnimal able to talk to animals]].



* In ''VisualNovel/{{AIR}}'', Kano may or may not be [[SpeaksFluentAnimal able to talk to animals]].



* In the ''[[Creator/ChoiceOfGames Choice of the Vampire]]'' web game, a priest brandishes a crucifix at the main character, who is weakened and repelled -- unless they're an atheist. Whether a religious vampire is defeated by the [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve placebo effect]] or a skeptical vampire's own convictions let them FightOffTheKryptonite is ambiguous, and the vampire community treats the matter with some caution as a result.



* In the ''[[Creator/ChoiceOfGames Choice of the Vampire]]'' web game, a priest brandishes a crucifix at the main character, who is weakened and repelled -- unless they're an atheist. Whether a religious vampire is defeated by the [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve placebo effect]] or a skeptical vampire's own convictions let them FightOffTheKryptonite is ambiguous, and the vampire community treats the matter with some caution as a result.
19th Jul '17 8:32:03 PM 64SuperNintendo
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** ''ComicBook/JMSSpiderMan'' introduces a character named Ezekiel that claims that Peter's powers aren't a mutation caused by an [[ILoveNuclearPower irradiated spider bite]] but are in fact "totemic" powers carried by the spider which it felt compelled to pass on after being hit by the lethal radiation beam. It was written in a way letting it be totally ambiguous if either this version or his classic origin is the real one, and even suggesting that both might be true to some extent. When Spider-Man asks an ally of Ezekiel which explanation is true, he simply responds that one explanation didn't necessarily contradict the other.

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** ''ComicBook/JMSSpiderMan'' introduces a character named Ezekiel that claims that Peter's powers aren't a mutation caused by an [[ILoveNuclearPower irradiated spider bite]] bite]], but are in fact "totemic" powers carried by the spider which it felt compelled to pass on after being hit by the lethal radiation beam. It was written in a way letting it be totally ambiguous if either this version or his classic origin is the real one, and even suggesting that both might be true to some extent. When Spider-Man asks an ally of Ezekiel which explanation is true, he simply responds that one explanation didn't necessarily contradict the other.
16th Jul '17 3:11:10 PM Twiddler
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* In the ''[[VideoGame/ChoiceOfGames Choice of the Vampire]]'' web game, a priest brandishes a crucifix at the main character, who is weakened and repelled -- unless they're an atheist. Whether a religious vampire is defeated by the [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve placebo effect]] or a skeptical vampire's own convictions let them FightOffTheKryptonite is ambiguous, and the vampire community treats the matter with some caution as a result.

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* In the ''[[VideoGame/ChoiceOfGames ''[[Creator/ChoiceOfGames Choice of the Vampire]]'' web game, a priest brandishes a crucifix at the main character, who is weakened and repelled -- unless they're an atheist. Whether a religious vampire is defeated by the [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve placebo effect]] or a skeptical vampire's own convictions let them FightOffTheKryptonite is ambiguous, and the vampire community treats the matter with some caution as a result.
16th Jul '17 10:48:21 AM nombretomado
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** ''VideoGame/FarCry3'' has this all over it. So many things on the island, like the animal's ultra-aggressive, almost HiveMind-like behaviour, [[spoiler:Jason's prophetic hallucinations]], [[spoiler:the alleged "demon" Jason fights about halfway through the game]], an NPC who is heavily implied at the end to have been a ghost, the way [[spoiler:the local natives seem to be slowly going mad]], old letters from WW2 Japanese soldiers reporting crazy shit going on... The list just goes on, and the worst thing is, in true trope form, we're just left to wonder if it's all real, or the protagonist simply going insane. And there's plenty of evidence for both. It's border-line terrifying.

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** ''VideoGame/FarCry3'' has this all over it. So many things on the island, like the animal's ultra-aggressive, almost HiveMind-like behaviour, [[spoiler:Jason's prophetic hallucinations]], [[spoiler:the alleged "demon" Jason fights about halfway through the game]], an NPC who is heavily implied at the end to have been a ghost, the way [[spoiler:the local natives seem to be slowly going mad]], old letters from WW2 [=WW2=] Japanese soldiers reporting crazy shit going on... The list just goes on, and the worst thing is, in true trope form, we're just left to wonder if it's all real, or the protagonist simply going insane. And there's plenty of evidence for both. It's border-line terrifying.
15th Jul '17 10:24:50 AM DuelMark
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* ''VideoGame/StarFox64'': Is Fox just seeing things or [[spoiler:was he really being guided by his father's ghost]] when he escapes Venom? The fact that no one else saw [[spoiler:James]] leave the same opening Fox exited a moment later suggests Fox might have just been hallucinating. ''VideoGame/StarFoxZero'', which is a retelling of the same plot, suggests otherwise, as Andross [[spoiler:seemed to be aware of James's presence]].
14th Jul '17 8:12:47 PM MoonByte
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14th Jul '17 11:08:23 AM 64SuperNintendo
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** In "Quagmire", the monster behind the killings turns out to be just a really big crocodile. (The final scene, however, revealed that [[RealAfterAll there actually]] ''[[RealAfterAll is]]'' [[RealAFterAll a plesiosaur-like creature living in the town's lake.]])

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** In "Quagmire", the monster behind the killings turns out to be just a really big crocodile. (The final scene, however, revealed that [[RealAfterAll there actually]] ''[[RealAfterAll is]]'' [[RealAFterAll [[RealAfterAll a plesiosaur-like creature living in the town's lake.]])
14th Jul '17 10:53:09 AM 64SuperNintendo
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** ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' subverted this when no one in Norm's Department Store Santa class could identify the realistic Santa from their class, which caused Frasier (in full Ebeneezer mode) to ponder if it was the ''real'' Santa. When the Santa returns, he asks if anyone had a jump for his car. Frasier is still amazed and filled with the Christmas spirit because for a brief moment, he actually thought Santa Claus was real.

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** ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' subverted this when no one in Norm's Department Store Santa class could identify the realistic Santa from their class, which caused Frasier (in full Ebeneezer Ebenezer mode) to ponder if it was the ''real'' Santa. When the Santa returns, he asks if anyone had a jump for his car. Frasier is still amazed and filled with the Christmas spirit because for a brief moment, he actually thought Santa Claus was real.
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