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29th Jun '16 5:45:58 PM nombretomado
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* In AndreNorton's ''Literature/IceCrown'', Niles Ismay had an ancestor who slightly escaped Psychocrat conditioning and passed down stories. As a consequence, he, unlike most people on his planet, can understand Roane's story about the conditioning machinery. [[BecauseDestinySaysSo He thinks it must be destiny]]; she's less convinced, it's just chance.

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* In AndreNorton's Creator/AndreNorton's ''Literature/IceCrown'', Niles Ismay had an ancestor who slightly escaped Psychocrat conditioning and passed down stories. As a consequence, he, unlike most people on his planet, can understand Roane's story about the conditioning machinery. [[BecauseDestinySaysSo He thinks it must be destiny]]; she's less convinced, it's just chance.
27th Jun '16 7:17:05 AM FuzzyBoots
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* At the end of ''Film/SalvationBoulevard'', Carl is walking away from [[spoiler: Pastor Dan's stabbed body]] when a bolt of lightning strikes [[spoiler:right behind him and he reveals that it severed the handcuffs behind his back without harming him]].
23rd Jun '16 6:19:47 AM major-kumquat
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* Series/{{Lost}} never definitively revealed the show's major mysteries as either essentially supernatural or essentially science fiction. The second-to-last season seemed to come down heavily on the side of science fiction, but the final season introduced plot elements that seemed balanced more toward supernatural explanations. Fans remain divided on whether the show ultimately came down on one side of the question, intentionally left things ambiguous to let each viewer decide, or was attempting a fusion of both SF and the supernatural.

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* Series/{{Lost}} ''Series/{{Lost}}'' never definitively revealed the show's major mysteries as either essentially supernatural or essentially science fiction. The second-to-last season seemed to come down heavily on the side of science fiction, but the final season introduced plot elements that seemed balanced more toward supernatural explanations. Fans remain divided on whether the show ultimately came down on one side of the question, intentionally left things ambiguous to let each viewer decide, or was attempting a fusion of both SF and the supernatural.



* In Series/BlackJesus, Jesus demonstrates various powers, such as turning water into cognac or destroying a lock with his bare hands, but it isn't clear whether he's actually Jesus or some kind of con man and/or crazy. The other characters are split on whether he's really Jesus.

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* In Series/BlackJesus, ''Series/BlackJesus'', Jesus demonstrates various powers, such as turning water into cognac or destroying a lock with his bare hands, but it isn't clear whether he's actually Jesus or some kind of con man and/or crazy. The other characters are split on whether he's really Jesus.
17th Jun '16 3:02:12 AM Morgenthaler
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* The end of every episode of MonaTheVampire would end with both a logical explanation for what happened, but also hinting that something magical did occur. For example, an episode where a T-Rex came to life ended with Mona revealing a fresh dinosaur footprint in the soil.

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* The end of every episode of MonaTheVampire ''WesternAnimation/MonaTheVampire'' would end with both a logical explanation for what happened, but also hinting that something magical did occur. For example, an episode where a T-Rex came to life ended with Mona revealing a fresh dinosaur footprint in the soil.
15th Jun '16 9:42:37 PM PaulA
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* In Creator/DorothyLSayers's ''Nine Tailors'', one of the bells is "known" to have killed two evil-doers in the past. At the end of the book, Literature/LordPeterWimsey realizes [[spoiler: the victim was also killed by the bells, in this case by being in the belltower during a long peal,]] which may have been a third instance of the bells dealing out justice. (His arrival at the beginning was heralded as something that might be called chance.)

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* In Creator/DorothyLSayers's ''Nine Literature/LordPeterWimsey novels:
** In ''The Nine
Tailors'', one of the bells is "known" to have killed two evil-doers in the past. At the end of the book, Literature/LordPeterWimsey Lord Peter realizes [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the victim was also killed by the bells, in this case by being in the belltower during a long peal,]] which may have been a third instance of the bells dealing out justice. (His arrival at the beginning was heralded as something that might be called chance.)


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* In Creator/AgathaChristie's ''Literature/TheMysteriousMrQuin'', Mr Quin has a knack for the StealthHiBye, of showing up just when something is about to happen, and of saying or doing just the right thing at just the right moment to nudge events in the direction of a happy conclusion. It's heavily implied that he's something other than human, but he never does anything unambiguously supernatural.
13th Jun '16 5:19:29 AM Kelothan
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* Partly why VideoGame/Metroid2 [[{{Creepypasta}} Secret Worlds]] is so haunting. Is it all an elaborate hoax and the protagonist merely a sucker? Or was Palm really visited by [[spoiler: the ghost of Gunpei Yokoi?]]
1st Jun '16 11:42:45 PM PaulA
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* In Jo Walton's ''Among Others'', the main character is able to see supernatural beings and work magic. However, it is somewhat ambiguous as to whether the beings she sees are magical or the product of a lonely teenager's imagination, at least in the beginning of the book. The magic in this book mostly works in a subtle manner through coincidences that leave plenty of room for doubt as to whether the results were really due to magic after all. For example, the character tries to cast a spell to find a [[CatsCradle karass]] or Nakama because she can't find anyone at school she can relate to. The next day she gets just the kind of result she was hoping for when a librarian mentions a local science fiction book club and asks the protagonist if she'd like to join. The protagonist herself wonders whether this was a result of magic or coincidence as the book club had existed for a while before she'd ever heard of it.
** Many of Zilpha Keatley Snyder's novels ride on exactly that variation of the trope. It's especially noticeable in ''Literature/TheChangeling'' and ''The Witches of Worm''.

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* In Jo Walton's ''Among Others'', ''Literature/AmongOthers'', the main character is able to see supernatural beings and work magic. However, it is somewhat ambiguous as to whether the beings she sees are magical or the product of a lonely teenager's imagination, at least in the beginning of the book. The magic in this book mostly works in a subtle manner through coincidences that leave plenty of room for doubt as to whether the results were really due to magic after all. For example, the character tries to cast a spell to find a [[CatsCradle karass]] or Nakama some TrueCompanions because she can't find anyone at school she can relate to. The next day she gets just the kind of result she was hoping for when a librarian mentions a local science fiction book club and asks the protagonist if she'd like to join. The protagonist herself wonders whether this was a result of magic or coincidence as the book club had existed for a while before she'd ever heard of it.
** * Many of Zilpha Keatley Snyder's novels ride on exactly that variation of the trope. It's especially noticeable in ''Literature/TheChangeling'' and ''The Witches of Worm''.
1st Jun '16 8:18:27 AM matruz
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* ''VideoGame/{{Scratches}}''. The entire point of the plot is this: you are constantly bombarded with a mix of "magic" and "mundane" arguments up until the very end, and it's still not entirely clear which one was at work. [[spoiler: Was there ever a curse on the mansion, or was it all just the result of a series of terrifying misunderstandings? Made even scarier when you consider that the mundane explanation behind the mystery is, arguably, at least as terrifying as the supernatural one.]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Scratches}}''. The entire point of the plot is this: In ''VideoGame/{{Scratches}}'' you are constantly bombarded with a mix of "magic" and "mundane" arguments up until the very end, and it's still not entirely clear which one was at work. [[spoiler: work: Was there ever a curse on in the mansion, or was it all just the result of a series of terrifying misunderstandings? Made even scarier when you consider that the mundane explanation behind the mystery is, arguably, at least as terrifying as the supernatural one.]]
27th May '16 10:13:27 AM Morgenthaler
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SubTrope of RiddleForTheAges; SuperTrope of OrWasItADream. Often comes into play with AngelUnaware, and does when [[ThereAreNoCoincidences characters say]] BecauseDestinySaysSo about situations that could be interpreted as ContrivedCoincidence. Any apparent DeadPersonConversation (particularly if TalkingInYourDreams) may fall under this, if the conversation contains nothing that the character could not have known. PropheciesAreAlwaysRight does not preclude their looking like dumb luck. Frequently the argument for mundanity is YouImaginedIt.

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SubTrope of RiddleForTheAges; SuperTrope of OrWasItADream. Often comes into play with AngelUnaware, and does when [[ThereAreNoCoincidences characters say]] BecauseDestinySaysSo about situations that could be interpreted as ContrivedCoincidence. Any apparent DeadPersonConversation (particularly if TalkingInYourDreams) may fall under this, if the conversation contains nothing that the character could not have known. PropheciesAreAlwaysRight does not preclude their looking like dumb luck. Frequently the argument for mundanity is YouImaginedIt.
luck.
25th May '16 7:01:18 PM HypnoticMeerkat
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* The Presence, in the NineInchNails ''Year Zero'' ARG. In a dystopian future, suddenly a giant glowing blue human arm is periodically seen reaching down from the sky, in locations all over the world. No clear explanation is ever given for what the hell the Presence actually is, but what is known is that it will never appear on video or photographs intentionally taken of it, while those that accidentally capture it can, and that anyone who witnesses it is unnaturally stunned by the sight of it. In-universe theories range from the Presence being God, aliens, or a government weapon, but none of these are ever confirmed before [[spoiler:it destroys the world.]]

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* The Presence, in the NineInchNails Music/NineInchNails ''Year Zero'' ARG. In a dystopian future, suddenly a giant glowing blue human arm is periodically seen reaching down from the sky, in locations all over the world. No clear explanation is ever given for what the hell the Presence actually is, but what is known is that it will never appear on video or photographs intentionally taken of it, while those that accidentally capture it can, and that anyone who witnesses it is unnaturally stunned by the sight of it. In-universe theories range from the Presence being God, aliens, or a government weapon, but none of these are ever confirmed before [[spoiler:it destroys the world.]]
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