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31st Oct '16 10:57:43 AM gewunomox
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*** More recent editions have tried to justify Tzeentch's inscrutability by explaining that Tzeentch has no specific end goal, and rather his scheming is done purely for its own sake; in the cosmic scheme of things, Tzeentch is the ultimate pot-stirrer, with no specific ambitions beyond trying to cause whatever disruption in the StatusQuo that he feels like. Individual minions may have their own end-goals, but Tzeentch himself simply does everything ForTheLulz, and thus any confrontation against Tzeentch is inherently [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose rigged in his favor]]; no matter what you do, whether you succeed or not, you've made something change, and through that you have served the God of Change.

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*** More recent editions have tried to justify Tzeentch's inscrutability by explaining that Tzeentch has no specific end goal, and rather his scheming is done purely for its own sake; in the cosmic scheme of things, Tzeentch is the ultimate pot-stirrer, with no specific ambitions beyond trying to cause whatever disruption in the StatusQuo Status Quo that he feels like. Individual minions may have their own end-goals, but Tzeentch himself simply does everything ForTheLulz, and thus any confrontation against Tzeentch is inherently [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose rigged in his favor]]; no matter what you do, whether you succeed or not, you've made something change, and through that you have served the God of Change.
28th Oct '16 6:00:09 AM Eievie
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[[caption-width-right:300:The other heroes always get annoyed when Franchise/{{Batman}} breaks out the puppets to illustrate [[BatmanGambit his plans]]...]]

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The Manipulative Bastard is the master manipulator of emotions and perspectives. This is the guy who gets off on playing head games -- clever and dangerous and lacking comedic overtones [[ComedicSociopathy (usu]][[BlackComedy ally)]]. He or she always has ThePlan, but rather than do any work, the Manipulative Bastard prefers to play on other characters' emotions and then watch the victims destroy themselves as they waste their energy on fighting against [[WindmillPolitical fake dangers]] or [[LetsYouAndHimFight their friends]].

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The Manipulative Bastard is the master manipulator of emotions and perspectives. This is the guy who gets off on playing head games -- clever games--clever and dangerous and lacking comedic overtones [[ComedicSociopathy (usu]][[BlackComedy ally)]]. He or she always has ThePlan, but rather than do any work, the Manipulative Bastard prefers to play on other characters' emotions and then watch the victims destroy themselves as they waste their energy on fighting against [[WindmillPolitical fake dangers]] or [[LetsYouAndHimFight their friends]].



Manipulative Bastards often fall into the KarmaHoudini trope -- after all, [[MoreThanMindControl they never "forced" anybody to do anything]]...which leads the [[ViewerStockPhrases audience]] to scream, "[[WhatAnIdiot Why do you keep falling for this?]]" at the other characters.

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Manipulative Bastards often fall into the KarmaHoudini trope -- after trope--after all, [[MoreThanMindControl they never "forced" anybody to do anything]]...anything]]… which leads the [[ViewerStockPhrases audience]] to scream, "[[WhatAnIdiot Why [[WhatAnIdiot "Why do you keep falling for this?]]" this?"]] at the other characters.



* Certain EvilMatriarch / MyBelovedSmother types will use copious amounts of guilt tripping to ensure that their "loved" ones dance to their tune.
* The last subtype is the ApparentlyPowerlessPuppetmaster who is genuinely powerless and only has as much power as his/her opponents see fit to give him/her. To this end, he/she fakes [[ObfuscatingStupidity stupidity]] or [[ObfuscatingInsanity insanity]] so that he/she can avoid being assassinated while still being able to manipulate events as he/she pleases.

Sometimes overlaps with DevilInPlainSight, but is often the "grown up" version, where the "look cute" fallback has become a fairly professional strategy. A Manipulative Bastard who mixes emotional manipulation with [[GambitRoulette complicated schemes]], [[TheChessmaster mind games]], and [[PsychoticSmirk sufficiently scary facial expressions]] -- and does it all with style -- can get promoted to MagnificentBastard. Compare ClockKing, who does the same thing with people's schedules instead of their emotions. Manipulating people specifically to bring out their worst natures is the mark of TheCorrupter. May engage in a BattleOfWits, if anyone can match the Manipulative Bastard. For the much more heroic equivalent, see GuileHero. Not to be mistaken for a {{Troll}}, for whom their manipulations often don't have a purpose other than cruel amusement. See also OpportunisticBastard.

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* Certain EvilMatriarch / MyBelovedSmother EvilMatriarch[=/=]MyBelovedSmother types will use copious amounts of guilt tripping to ensure that their "loved" ones dance to their tune.
* The last subtype is the ApparentlyPowerlessPuppetmaster who is genuinely powerless and only has as much power as his/her their opponents see fit to give him/her. them. To this end, he/she fakes they fake [[ObfuscatingStupidity stupidity]] or [[ObfuscatingInsanity insanity]] so that he/she they can avoid being assassinated while still being able to manipulate events as he/she pleases.

they please.

Sometimes overlaps with DevilInPlainSight, but is often the "grown up" version, where the "look cute" fallback has become a fairly professional strategy. A Manipulative Bastard who mixes emotional manipulation with [[GambitRoulette complicated schemes]], [[TheChessmaster mind games]], and [[PsychoticSmirk sufficiently scary facial expressions]] -- and expressions]]--and does it all with style -- can style--can get promoted to MagnificentBastard. Compare ClockKing, who does the same thing with people's schedules instead of their emotions. Manipulating people specifically to bring out their worst natures is the mark of TheCorrupter. May engage in a BattleOfWits, if anyone can match the Manipulative Bastard. For the much more heroic equivalent, see GuileHero. Not to be mistaken for a {{Troll}}, for whom their manipulations often don't have a purpose other than cruel amusement. See also OpportunisticBastard.
11th Oct '16 11:17:20 AM BatmanKalEl
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While this character type seems inherently villainous, many of them are at least nominally on the heroes' side. A cunning branch of the AntiHero family sports this trope and many a GuileHero uses many of the same tricks. Indeed, many Tricksters also overlap into Manipulative Bastard territory. The hero will probably survive a relationship with this character, but their [[EtTuBrute trust in people will not]].

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While this character type seems inherently villainous, many of them are at least nominally on the heroes' side. A cunning branch of the AntiHero family sports this trope and many a [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]] and/or GuileHero uses many of the same tricks. Indeed, many Tricksters also overlap into Manipulative Bastard territory. The hero will probably survive a relationship with this character, but their [[EtTuBrute trust in people will not]].
4th Jul '16 11:35:28 AM nombretomado
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* Roodaka from ''Franchise/{{BIONICLE}}'', with shades of TheVamp and TheStarscream.

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* Roodaka from ''Franchise/{{BIONICLE}}'', ''Toys/{{BIONICLE}}'', with shades of TheVamp and TheStarscream.
27th May '16 11:03:23 AM Tron80
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* ManipulativeBastard/FanWorks



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* A common portrayal of Celestia in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' Deconstruction Fics.
** Subverted in the fic, [[FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed Equestria: A History Revealed]]. The LemonyNarrator seems to believe Celestia is behind everything and everything is a mass conspiracy, but it's blatantly clear that [[PlayedForLaughs she's overanalyzing]] and making up [[ConfirmationBias insane theories to try to justify this.]]
** In ''Fanfic/TheWitchOfTheEverfree'', Sunset Shimmer interprets her this way for the first few years after running away, but [[CharacterDevelopment places increasingly little stock in that interpretation as more time passes]].
* ''Fanfic/DoingItRightThisTime'': Gendo used their employees’ emotions to manipulate them in the original timeline. Asuka has realized he set her up to hate Rei because it made her easier to control and she is done playing by his rules, so she has befriended Rei. Rei also theorizes he manipulated Ritsuko's jealousy of Rei so that Ritsuko would be more driven to fulfill his agenda.
* ''Manga/{{Evangelion 303}}'': Judging by [[http://eva303.smackjeeves.com/comics/1745146/048/ this scene]] in chapter 11, this version of Gendo also has a secret agenda and is manipulating everybody -including his son and his son's grilfriend- in order to achieve it.
* ''Fanfic/{{HERZ}}'': Misato is a benign example. She leads a peace-keeping military organization and is not above of using someone else’s motivations and emotions (like Kurumi’s curiosity) to lead that person on. However she does not like it and she restrains herself a lot.
* ''Fanfic/HigherLearning'': Gendo ruthlessly manipulated everyone to achieve his goals… and he was ''not'' happy when he realized that there was another manipulative bastard [[spoiler:-Kaoru-]] in the town who had been plotting against him ''completely undetected'' for a good while.
* In ''Fanfic/LastChildOfKrypton'' Gendo tries to use Shinji’s emotions and morals in order to manipulate him and mould him.
* A few examples in ''Fanfic/TheLionKingAdventures''.
** The King of Dreams.
** Shocker in ''Shocker's Revenge''.
** [[spoiler: The Writer is the ultimate example of this. He manipulates everything in the entire universe.]]
* ''Fanfic/ScarTissue'': Gendo ruthlessly manipulated everyone in order to engineer the Third Impact and to reunite with his wife. Yui manipulated everyone –''including'' Gendo and Shinji- in order to engineer the Third Impact and fulfill Seele’s plans. Shinji honestly cannot decide which of them is worse.
* Lupin III/Assassin in ''Fanfic/JustAnUnorthodoxThief''. Here, Lupin has become much more manipulative in dealing with his enemies, pushing Kirei to a path with seemingly innocent questions, playing mind-games against Saber, and manipulating everyone for his own benefit.
* Loki in ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm''. He has performed a HeelFaceTurn, true, and he does regret his actions. But that just makes him ReformedButNotTamed, and within less than two years, he's built up a worldwide spy network in such a way that any attempt to uproot it by SHIELD would look like a wanton global case of KickTheDog, rehabilitated himself as a sincerely regretful philanthropist, philosopher, superhero and a champion of the underdog, and now, a kindly uncle. Everyone (well, everyone who doesn't know better) thinks that he's nice and friendly. He is. But what they don't know is that's not all he is...
** And he learnt it from Odin. Who's even better at it than he is.
** Nick Fury could give a master class in it. And judging by his protégé, Peter Wisdom and [[spoiler: Phil Coulson]], he has.
** Lucius Malfoy's even better at it.
** [[spoiler: The Phoenix seems to be a dab hand at this]].
** And [[spoiler: Doctor Strange]] is, it seems, manipulating ''everyone''.
* Mao in ''Fanfic/CodeGeassMaoOfTheDeliverance''. Just as in the original Mao uses his geass and MoreThanMindControl to twist others to his purpose. The difference is, he's TheProtagonist of this story so we see much more of it.
* The Other Girl in the [[Fanfic/HookerVerse Hooker!verse]]. She's successfully ruining her other personality's (Penny) life and she gleefully mindfucks the Critic and Chick.
* Torment in the ''Fanfic/SpyroMadnessSaga''. As Cynder's SuperPoweredEvilSide, she knows everything about Cynder and pretends to be her friend, but what she's really trying to do is [[SplitPersonalityTakeover possess her]]. As the manifestation of Cynder's darkness, she's fueled by the dark counterpart of what Cynder desires. Since Cynder has repressed feelings for Spyro, Torment tries to turn that love into lust. She temporarily succeeds and slaughters everyone at a party, causing Cynder to suffer a collosal HeroicBSOD.
* [[BigBad Checker]] [[TheChessMaster Monarch]] from ''Fanfic/GettingBackOnYourHooves''. It's her ''[[UpToEleven Cutie Mark]]'', meaning it's literally the thing she's best at above all else.
* Red Cyclone's masterful manipulation of the entire Griffin Army in ''Fanfic/AceCombatTheEquestrianWar''. Even his companion, Black Star, apparently fell for his tricks.
* Bowser, Eugene, and Lucy have all had their moments in ''Fanfic/CalvinAtCamp''.
* ''Fanfic/HarmonyTheory'': Max Cash, with a little help from [[spoiler:a couple of Elements of Harmony]].
* Dumbledore is even more manipulative in ''Fanfic/KnowledgeIsPower'' than he is in canon, but [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain less effective]]. Lord Potter ''is'' effective at manipulation, but often prefers just to shout and swear at everyone until they back down.
* Calvin eventually becomes this in ''Fanfic/CalvinAndHobbesTheSeries'', along with TheChessmaster.
* ''FanFic/AnAlternateKeitaroUrashima'' features Granny Hina as its primary antagonist. In her case, many of her manipulations have been derailed due to Keitaro refusing to play along -- and making sure his family and friends are aware of her true nature. However, she manages to keep stringing along her tenants, as well as having Ryuichi completely convinced that she's just a sweet old lady. Many of her former friends/victims express shock and disappointment when they learn the truth.
* In ''Fanfic/KitsuneNoKenFistOfTheFox'', Neji takes advantage of Kiba's despondency over Hinata's rejection of his (Kiba's) love confession and the revelation that Hinata had already had an AccidentalKiss with Naruto, to manipulate Kiba into fighting Naruto, as part of a plan to either get Naruto arrested (since Kiba's the son of Konoha Town's police chief) or expelled from school (Konoha High frowns on students with criminal records).
* Emperor Palpatine in the ''FanFic/SonOfSunsTrilogy'', even moreso than in the [[StarWars source material]].
* In ''FanFic/ShinobiOfTheOldRepublic'', Naruto falls into this. It is probably particularly noticeable when they're on Korriban.
* Bilbo describes his grandmother and the family matriarch Laura Baggins as this type in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8897326/50/A-Shot-in-the-Dark A Shot in the Dark]]''.
-->'''[[spoiler:Thorin]]''' She doesn't seem so bad. I think you really are exaggerating all of this fear and worry.
-->'''Bilbo:''' ''*sigh*'' [[spoiler: Thorin]], in five minutes she got you to reveal your age, origins, history, and that you like to eat apple pie. Give her another five minutes and she'll know your parents names, favorite stew, and the name of your childhood toy.
* Minister Honsou from ''FanFic/KyoshiRising'' is pulling the strings of the Fire Nation throne, and starts more actively manipulating the Fire Lord once Kyoshi arrives and starts shaking things up.
* Professor Moriarty in ''Fanfic/ChildrenOfTime''. He also qualifies as a MagnificentBastard, but it's worth pointing out his manipulative tendencies -- his four episodes are by and large driven by his manipulation of the heroes. It becomes his obsession and his FatalFlaw: he can manipulate anybody and everybody into doing what he wants, but he doesn't believe that his victims can break free of his manipulations. Basically has a massive god complex.
* ''Fanfic/SuddenContact'': [[Franchise/{{Starcraft}} Arcturus Mengsk]]. He tricks the [[Franchise/MassEffect Council]] into helping the Sons of Korhal overthrow the Confederacy by appearing weak and offering Terran technology to them. After which, the Council takes the bait, believing they could gain new technology and have a new government to work with. However, once the war goes bad for the Council, and the Zerg start to invade Citadel Space, Mengsk tricks the Council into using the psi-emitter on Tarsonis to end the war quickly. Since Saren was the one who planted the psi-emitter in this story, Mengsk blackmails the Council with this information, knowing the public would turn on them if the knowledge was released. This not only forces the Council to begrudgingly recognize Mengsk as the Emperor of the newly formed Terran Dominion, but also grant humanity a seat in the Council in exchange for Terran forces helping them fight the Zerg.
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26th May '16 10:46:15 AM Tron80
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* In ''Fanfic/LastChildOfKrypton'' Gendo tries to use Shinji’s emotions and morals in order to manipulate him and mould him.
14th May '16 9:01:39 PM TSBasilisk
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* Jack Slash of ''Literature/{{Worm}}'' is the leader of the Slaughterhouse Nine specifically because he knows exactly which buttons to push to keep his menagerie of psychopaths in line. He also uses this against heroes and villains, often to recruit them and other times simply to enjoy their suffering. [[spoiler:He actually has a power that allows this with parahumans, letting him know just what to say and how to act around them]].
10th Apr '16 7:22:38 PM jamespolk
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* ''Theatre/HellBentFerHeaven'', which won the UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize for 1924, cribs liberally from Othello, with Rufe being a manipulative schemer just like Iago. Like Iago, he is manaically jealous, in this play over a woman. Rufe attempts to re-start an old FeudingFamilies war in order to get Andy to kill Sid, Rufe's rival for the affections of Andy's sister Jude. He does this in classic Iago style by whispering into Andy's ear in order to convince him that Sid's family is out to get him.
30th Mar '16 9:25:28 PM AdamNY
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* Steve Urkel on "Family Matters" has his moments. Moreso in later seasons. He'll often try to pull a guilt trip on Laura when he doesn't get his way with her. He often tries to force love on her. Though he's not quite a bastard all the time.
30th Mar '16 9:25:01 PM AdamNY
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