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* Music/FloRida is one of the best-selling rappers of all time (even outselling icons such as Music/TupacShakur and Music/SnoopDogg) thanks to his top 40 hit songs about partying in clubs like "Right Round", "Low", and "Club Can't Handle Me", but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who's actually listened to an album from beginning to end (none of which has sold better than gold) or someone who can name any songs besides his hits. The same deal can be said for fellow-Miami rapper Music/{{Pitbull}}, really. This most likely stems due to the fact that most of their hits include choruses performed by the featured artists rather than themselves, with only a couple of exceptions such as "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)", "Whistle", and "My House". Their brand of hip house and pop rap having fallen out of style by the late 2010s hasn't helped.

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* Music/FloRida is one of the best-selling rappers of all time (even outselling icons such as Music/TupacShakur and Music/SnoopDogg) thanks to his top 40 hit songs about partying in clubs like "Right Round", "Low", and "Club Can't Handle Me", but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who's actually listened to an album from beginning to end (none of which has have sold better than gold) or someone who can name any songs besides his hits. The same deal can be said for fellow-Miami rapper Music/{{Pitbull}}, really. This most likely stems due to the fact that most of their major hits include have choruses performed by the featured artists rather than themselves, with only a couple of exceptions such as "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)", "Whistle", and "My House". Their brand of hip house and pop rap having fallen out of style by the late 2010s hasn't helped.
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** Pretty much every ''Batman'' fan knows about ''ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily'', the story that killed off the Jason Todd Robin; it's a consistent placer in "iconic ''Batman'' stories" lists, and the infamous vote-in campaign DC used to decide the outcome made mainstream news at the time and is still remembered. However, the specifics of what actually ''happened'' in the story besides "Joker beat Jason Todd to death with a crowbar" is considerably more bleary, starting with the fact that the above summary is, in fact, wrong: Joker smacked Jason a few times with a crowbar, but he also pistol-whipped him a few times, and Jason survived both and managed to cling to life until a bomb finished him off. It doesn't help that much of the story's third act is [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece rather dated]] and more than a bit absurd (Joker evades consequences for killing Jason by somehow ''becoming the Iranian ambassador''), and is usually skated over or rewritten in modern tellings. This has led to a lot of modern callbacks to the story adding in ideas that were nowhere in the original, such as Jason always being a bad apple and dying for it, or Batman wilfully choosing not to kill the Joker as opposed to being prevented from doing so.

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** Pretty much every ''Batman'' fan knows about ''ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily'', the story that killed off the Jason Todd Robin; it's a consistent placer in "iconic ''Batman'' stories" lists, and the infamous vote-in campaign DC used to decide the outcome made mainstream news at the time and is still remembered. However, the specifics of what actually ''happened'' in the story besides "Joker beat Jason Todd to death with a crowbar" is are considerably more bleary, starting with the fact that the above summary is, in fact, wrong: Joker smacked Jason a few times with a crowbar, but he also pistol-whipped him a few times, and Jason survived both and managed to cling to life until a bomb finished him off. It doesn't help that much of the story's third act is [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece rather dated]] and more than a bit absurd (Joker evades consequences for killing Jason by somehow ''becoming the Iranian ambassador''), and is usually skated over or rewritten in modern tellings. This has led to a lot of modern later callbacks to the story adding in ideas that were nowhere in the original, such as Jason always being a bad apple and dying for it, or Batman wilfully choosing not to kill the Joker as opposed to being prevented from doing so.
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** Pretty much every ''Batman'' fan knows about ''ComicBook/ADeathinTheFamily'', the story that killed off the Jason Todd Robin; it's a consistent placer in "iconic ''Batman'' stories" lists, and the infamous vote-in campaign DC used to decide the outcome made mainstream news at the time and is still remembered. However, the specifics of what actually ''happened'' in the story besides "Joker beat Jason Todd to death with a crowbar" is considerably more bleary, starting with the fact that the above summary is, in fact, wrong: Joker smacked Jason a few times with a crowbar, but he also pistol-whipped him a few times, and Jason survived both and managed to cling to life until a bomb finished him off. It doesn't help that much of the story's third act is [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece rather dated]] and more than a bit absurd (Joker evades consequences for killing Jason by somehow ''becoming the Iranian ambassador''), and is usually skated over or rewritten in modern tellings. This has led to a lot of modern callbacks to the story adding in ideas that were nowhere in the original, such as Jason always being a bad apple and dying for it, or Batman wilfully choosing not to kill the Joker as opposed to being prevented from doing so.

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** Pretty much every ''Batman'' fan knows about ''ComicBook/ADeathinTheFamily'', ''ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily'', the story that killed off the Jason Todd Robin; it's a consistent placer in "iconic ''Batman'' stories" lists, and the infamous vote-in campaign DC used to decide the outcome made mainstream news at the time and is still remembered. However, the specifics of what actually ''happened'' in the story besides "Joker beat Jason Todd to death with a crowbar" is considerably more bleary, starting with the fact that the above summary is, in fact, wrong: Joker smacked Jason a few times with a crowbar, but he also pistol-whipped him a few times, and Jason survived both and managed to cling to life until a bomb finished him off. It doesn't help that much of the story's third act is [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece rather dated]] and more than a bit absurd (Joker evades consequences for killing Jason by somehow ''becoming the Iranian ambassador''), and is usually skated over or rewritten in modern tellings. This has led to a lot of modern callbacks to the story adding in ideas that were nowhere in the original, such as Jason always being a bad apple and dying for it, or Batman wilfully choosing not to kill the Joker as opposed to being prevented from doing so.
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** Pretty much every ''Batman'' fan knows about ''ComicBook/ADeathinTheFamily'', the story that killed off the Jason Todd Robin; it's a consistent placer in "iconic ''Batman'' stories" lists, and the infamous vote-in campaign DC used to decide the outcome made mainstream news at the time and is still remembered. However, the specifics of what actually ''happened'' in the story besides "Joker beat Jason Todd to death with a crowbar" is considerably more bleary, starting with the fact that the above summary is, in fact, wrong: Joker smacked Jason a few times with a crowbar, but he also pistol-whipped him a few times, and Jason survived both and managed to cling to life until a bomb finished him off. It doesn't help that much of the story's third act is [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece rather dated]] and more than a bit absurd (Joker evades consequences for killing Jason by somehow ''becoming the Iranian ambassador''), and is usually skated over or rewritten in modern tellings. This has led to a lot of modern callbacks to the story adding in ideas that were nowhere in the original, such as Jason always being a bad apple and dying for it, or Batman wilfully choosing not to kill the Joker as opposed to being prevented from doing so.
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* ''{{Series/Benson}}'' was a spin-off of one of the most renowned sitcoms of the 1970's (''{{Series/Soap}}''), and starred Robert Guillaume, an actor nearly anyone over the age of 45 will recognize. It was a regular Emmy nominee, with Guillaume winning once for Outstanding Lead Actor, and ran for five seasons. It's barely remembered in any capacity, other than perhaps to be mentioned as the sitcom that gave Creator/JerrySeinfeld his start, as well as featuring two future ''Franchise/StarTrek'' actors in very different roles from how Trekkies know them.
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** Similarly Creator/JohnCleese, Creator/EricIdle and ''maybe'' Creator/MichaelPalin are the only Pythons most people can recognize by face and name. The others' faces will ring a bell if you've watched any of their episodes or films, but only dedicated fans will be able to name them. Creator/TerryGilliam is known for his directing career, but in his case it's somewhat more fair because he did not spend much time in front of the camera, even as a member of the troupe, and when he did, he tended to have his face covered.

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** Similarly Creator/JohnCleese, Creator/EricIdle and ''maybe'' Creator/MichaelPalin are the only Pythons most people can recognize by face and name. The others' faces will ring a bell if you've watched any of their episodes or films, but only dedicated fans will be able to name them. Graham Chapman is likely remembered by most solely as King Arthur in the aforementioned film, mainly because of how memetic so many of his scenes from that film have become. Terry Jones would be lucky to be remembered by ''anyone'' outside of the most dedicated Python fans. Creator/TerryGilliam is known almost solely for his directing career, but in his case it's somewhat more fair because he did not spend much time in front of the camera, even as a member of the troupe, and when he did, he tended to have his face covered.covered. His iconic animations are also remembered, but few aside from fans realize he is the man behind them.
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* Creator/{{Sega}} suffered from this for a while, as their attempts to counter Nintendo's monopoly in the US with the UsefulNotes/SegaMasterSystem failed (as compared to [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Europe and South America, where they had much more success]]). Even the UsefulNotes/SegaGenesis struggled for a time until ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1'' debuted in 1991. Sega then suffered from this again with the UsefulNotes/SegaSaturn as Sega fumbled repeatedly with everything from marketing to distribution; many of the greatest games on the Saturn (such as the first game in the ''Videogame/SakuraWars'' series) never reached North America thanks to Bernie Stolar's "no 2D" policies. The UsefulNotes/SegaDreamcast only ran from 1998 to early 2001, but conversely many of its' games are still well-remembered and the console has a devoted cult following. Even today, many people only know about Sega for ''Sonic'', the Genesis, the [=Dreamcast=], and more recently the ''VideoGame/{{Yakuza}}'' series than anything else they've worked on outside of those.

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* Creator/{{Sega}} suffered from this for a while, as their attempts to counter Nintendo's monopoly in the US with the UsefulNotes/SegaMasterSystem failed (as compared to [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Europe and South America, where they had much more success]]). Even the UsefulNotes/SegaGenesis struggled for a time until ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1'' debuted in 1991. Sega then suffered from this again with the UsefulNotes/SegaSaturn as Sega fumbled repeatedly with everything from marketing to distribution; many of the greatest games on the Saturn (such as the first game in the ''Videogame/SakuraWars'' series) never reached North America thanks to Bernie Stolar's "no 2D" policies. The UsefulNotes/SegaDreamcast only ran from 1998 to early 2001, but conversely many of its' games are still well-remembered and the console has a devoted cult following. Even today, many people only know about Sega for ''Sonic'', the Genesis, the [=Dreamcast=], and more recently the ''VideoGame/{{Yakuza}}'' ''VideoGame/LikeADragon'' series than anything else they've worked on outside of those.



Navajo has less to do with the Navajo being romanticized—they're not, they essentially have no real presence to the rest of the world's consciousness[[note]][[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker#Navajo_code_talkers aside from being a super-complex Allied code in]] UsefulNotes/WorldWarII[[/note]]—and more to do with Navajo being a sampler of "weird" linguistic features. Learning Navajo is linguistics on [[Franchise/{{Halo}} Legendary]], so people pursue knowledge of it for the sake of bragging rights.[[note]]It has [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_ergativity split ergativity]], a very complicated verb-aspect system, and inflects its verbs relating to motion according to 11 noun-classes deriving mostly from shape. It's also a tonal language with some extremely unusual consonants—the same ones as Tlingit, whose sounds were borrowed for [[ConLang Klingon]] precisely because they don't show up in most human languages. ''And'' there are about two textbooks, which you either have to order online or buy ''on'' the Navajo Rez, or in a few places nearby.[[/note]]

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Navajo has less to do with the Navajo being romanticized—they're romanticized—they're not, they essentially have no real presence to the rest of the world's consciousness[[note]][[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker#Navajo_code_talkers aside from being a super-complex Allied code in]] UsefulNotes/WorldWarII[[/note]]—and more to do with Navajo being a sampler of "weird" linguistic features. Learning Navajo is linguistics on [[Franchise/{{Halo}} Legendary]], so people pursue knowledge of it for the sake of bragging rights.[[note]]It has [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_ergativity split ergativity]], a very complicated verb-aspect system, and inflects its verbs relating to motion according to 11 noun-classes deriving mostly from shape. It's also a tonal language with some extremely unusual consonants—the same ones as Tlingit, whose sounds were borrowed for [[ConLang Klingon]] precisely because they don't show up in most human languages. ''And'' there are about two textbooks, which you either have to order online or buy ''on'' the Navajo Rez, or in a few places nearby.[[/note]]
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Navajo has less to do with the Navajo being romanticized—they're not, they essentially have no real presence to the rest of the world's consciousness[[note]][[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker#Navajo_code_talkers aside from being a super-complex Allied code in]] UsefulNotes/WorldWarII[[/note]]—and more to do with Navajo being a sampler of "weird" linguistic features. Learning Navajo is linguistics on [[Franchise/{{Halo}} Legendary]], so people pursue knowledge of it for the sake of bragging rights.[[note]]It has [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active%E2%80%93stative_language split-S ergativity]], a very complicated verb-aspect system, and inflects its verbs relating to motion according to 11 noun-classes deriving mostly from shape. It's also a tonal language with some extremely unusual consonants—the same ones as Tlingit, whose sounds were borrowed for [[ConLang Klingon]] precisely because they don't show up in most human languages. ''And'' there are about two textbooks, which you either have to order online or buy ''on'' the Navajo Rez, or in a few places nearby.[[/note]]

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Navajo has less to do with the Navajo being romanticized—they're not, they essentially have no real presence to the rest of the world's consciousness[[note]][[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker#Navajo_code_talkers aside from being a super-complex Allied code in]] UsefulNotes/WorldWarII[[/note]]—and more to do with Navajo being a sampler of "weird" linguistic features. Learning Navajo is linguistics on [[Franchise/{{Halo}} Legendary]], so people pursue knowledge of it for the sake of bragging rights.[[note]]It has [[http://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active%E2%80%93stative_language split-S org/wiki/Split_ergativity split ergativity]], a very complicated verb-aspect system, and inflects its verbs relating to motion according to 11 noun-classes deriving mostly from shape. It's also a tonal language with some extremely unusual consonants—the same ones as Tlingit, whose sounds were borrowed for [[ConLang Klingon]] precisely because they don't show up in most human languages. ''And'' there are about two textbooks, which you either have to order online or buy ''on'' the Navajo Rez, or in a few places nearby.[[/note]]
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* Many young people, in general, will often [[JustForFun/RoleAssociation associate a certain actor or director with their latest work]] because they never bother to watch any of their earlier and (sometimes) better works or are even aware of it. As a result, certain iconic actors and directors are perceived by younger people as "old, uncool has-beens" and they don't understand what made them so important or celebrated in the first place. Creator/RobertDeNiro and Creator/JackNicholson appeared in a lot of intelligent masterpieces and good movies in general well into TheNineties, but are nowadays usually cashing in checks by trading on their established personas in forgettable fare. (Or playing gimmicky, LargeHam comic-book roles that were often completely anathema to their former screen personae, which many film historians claim began with Creator/MarlonBrando's star turn in ''Superman''.) So they are still recognizable to many people, but mostly for being tabloid mainstays or interviewed on the red carpet.
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* Similarly, ''MOON'', starring ''VideoGame/EternalFighterZero'''s Ikumi Amasawa, is the one EFZ-related visual novel that doesn't have an anime adaptation (or TV Tropes page, for that matter). It's easy to see why - ''MOON'' is a hentai so dark, disgusting, and graphic that no one ever gets around to playing it.
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* Creator/TheCW seems to be all about this. "TV to talk about," but not necessarily TV to ''see''. ''Series/GossipGirl'', for all its buzz, rarely draws more than a couple million viewers a week. Averted with ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' and ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' to an extent.
* Likewise, Creator/{{AMC}}'s ''Series/MadMen'' and ''Series/BreakingBad'' are standard name-dropping fare for people wanting to seem cultured, but continue to get mediocre audiences (even for cable) for shows with so many Emmys. Though the latter ultimately averted this near the end of the series [[note]]Season 5B was watched consistently by a rather large number of viewers for a cable show, breaking its rating record five times. Most notably, the series finale was watched by 10.3 million viewers, the most-watched finale for a cable show since ''Series/TheSopranos'''.[[/note]] Having its first 5 seasons streaming on Netflix and excellent word-of-mouth no doubt helped to promote it to a wider audience in time for the SeriesFinale. AMC's third hit series, ''Series/TheWalkingDead2010'', on the other hand, averted this from the beginning.



* ''Series/HannahMontana'' is an even bigger victim of this than ''Series/{{Victorious}}'' or ''Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace''. Even when the show was still running, it was famous for being Disney Channel's biggest franchise, and the pop idol it spawned with the title character, but not a lot more. It was to the point that people would call Music/MileyCyrus "[[IAmNotSpock Hannah Montana]]" even when she was performing a show as herself and not in character. Nowadays, it's best known for being the show Cyrus was on before she later became a solo pop star and was OvershadowedByControversy in 2013 for her infamous behavior. To this day, few people can actually name any of its characters besides the title character (including the "normal" persona of the lead character, [[TheDanza Miley Stewart]]) or its other five lead actors (with the possible exception of Billy Ray Cyrus; in the context of being the "[[OneHitWonder Achy Breaky Heart]]" guy or Miley's real-life ''and'' TV dad rather than anything to do with his character on the series), or know anything besides the basic premise, yet they know it exactly for what the show would spawn into. As for people who grew up watching the show frequently as kids, this may be a subversion. Many a Disney Channel watcher at the time knew the names of the actors on all their shows via the frequently airing "You're Watching Disney Channel" bumps and the several appearances in commercial breaks.



** ''Doctor Who'' is mainstream enough that almost everyone is aware of the name and basic premise, but few outside the fandom know of the spinoff shows ''Series/{{Torchwood}}'' and ''Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures'', or that the former is decidedly ''[[DarkerAndEdgier not]]'' family-friendly.



* ''Series/{{Arrowverse}}'': The shows that formed the Arrowverse have a dedicated cult fandom, and due to being adaptations of DC Comics superheroes they're very well known, however despite this, thanks to the shows never having high viewership numbers they're only known for their titular characters. This is not helped by how much the franchise underwent significant SeasonalRot as time went on, to the point that much of the viewership dropped the shows and later installments became so OvershadowedByControversy that in some cases, like ''Series/Batwoman2019'', people are probably more aware of the behind-the-scenes drama than details of the show itself. Muddying things further, the shows are largely based around B-list superheroes who had rarely if ever gotten serious attempts at adaptations, causing these shows, despite their obscurity, being the only thing people know about the respective characters. Given the aforementioned SeasonalRot and the AdaptationDeviation, fans of the franchises attached tend to be a little peeved at this state.
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* Speaking of Deathstroke, Marvel's {{ComicBook/Deadpool}} has surpassed him in popularity to such a degree that even Deadpool fans might not know who Deathstroke even is. It doesn't help that Deadpool has since far surpassed his relatively generic villain persona from the early 90's, and most people don't even know that he didn't develop his "merc-with-a-mouth" antihero reputation, as well as his fourth-wall breaking (his best known attribute), until much later.
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** There's really no question that Wolverine is the most well-known X-Man. But most people do not know that he was not a founding member of the team, and that in fact the team was nearly fifteen years old before he became a part of it, or that he was introduced, not in any mutant-related story but in an issue of ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk''.
** The idea that the X-Men are students being trained by Professor Xavier pretty much died in the late 70's when the team was separated from the Professor, learned to function as a team of adults without him, and later stated when he returned that they did not consider themselves to be students any longer. If you only saw the films, this might lead you to believe they transitioned into becoming teachers instead, but this did not happen until 1991 in the comics, over a decade after leaving the "student" label behind. Instead, the 80's introduced a new generation of students and called them ''ComicBook/TheNewMutants'' to distinguish them from the X-Men. For most of the 1980's, the X-Men weren't associated with the school at all, and when they were, it was as a "graduate" team.
** For your average person, if they know Magneto at all, they know him as the X-Men's greatest foe. They don't know that he has gone back and forth from villain to hero multiple times over the decades, and that he has, in fact, been a member of the team, even if this meant sometimes functioning as the TokenEvilTeammate. These days, he's part of the team's governing council and is used much more often as a sympathetic character than a villain.
*** On the other hand, those who do realize he was a team member believe that he and Charles Xavier were old friends and co-founded the school together. This is thanks to the movies popularizing this notion. Magneto and Xavier did know each other when they were younger and were friends for a brief while before realizing their views of human/mutant relations were irreconcilable, and went their separate ways many years before Xavier founded his school or went looking for students.
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* Music/FloRida is one of the best-selling rappers of all time (even outselling icons such as Music/TupacShakur and Music/SnoopDogg) thanks to his top 40 hit songs about partying in clubs like "Right Round", "Low", and "Club Can't Handle Me", but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who's actually listened to an album from beginning to end (none of which has sold better than gold) or someone who can name any songs besides his hits. The same deal can be said for fellow-Miami rapper Music/{{Pitbull}}, really. This most likely stems due to the fact that most of their hits include choruses performed by the featured artists rather than themselves, with only a couple of exceptions such as "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)", "Whistle", and "My House". Their brand of hip house and pop rap having fallen out of style by the late 2010's doesn't help.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' has been around for two decades, gets consistently high ratings on television, and is one of the more recognizable adult animated series out there. But while people have heard of it, very few are dedicated fans or can tell you what any episodes are about, and it's mainly just known for being Creator/SethMacFarlane's other long-running show that's not ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''.

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** It gets even more extreme with underground post-rock. If you go on sites like /mu/ and RateYourMusic, you would expect that Music/GodspeedYouBlackEmperor, Music/Slint, Music/Mogwai, and Music/Tortoise were million-selling musical titans. The truth is that they're virtually unknown by the general public.

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* Music/LinguaIgnota is among the most famous contemporary experimental musicians, receiving a perfect score from WebVideo/TheNeedleDrop and getting covered in Pichfork and even the Guardian. At the same time, few people know anything about her except for fans of goth and noise music.
* Music/{{Merzbow}} is more infamous than famous for his very extreme Harsh Noise, with his album ''Pulse Demon'' in particular reaching near-memetic status because of its unbelievable loudness. It's no surprise that [[CaptainObvious he's never had anything resembling a hit]].
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* Post-Rock is well-known as a genre of music, with artists like Music/SigurRos and Music/TalkTalk receiving rave reviews from critics and sporting a strong following. Now, how many of their songs can you name? And for the latter, the early New Wave hits before the GenreShift don't count.
** It gets even more extreme with underground post-rock. If you go on sites like /mu/ and RateYourMusic, you would expect that Music/GodspeedYouBlackEmperor, Music/Slint, Music/Mogwai, and Music/Tortoise were million-selling musical titans. The truth is that they're virtually unknown by the general public.
* The name of the genre "Screamo" is an example of this combined with PublicMediumIgnorance. Many people will use the term to refer to any rock or metal music with screaming, often including genres which have nothing to do with screamo like Melodic Metalcore or even mainstream emo pop-punk. In all likelihood, most people using the word like this have never heard ''any'' screamo at all. Even the most popular screamo bands like Orchid or City of Caterpillar only manage sales and concert tickets in the ''hundreds'' and are only known in their local punk scenes or online, if at all.
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* ''ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}}'': Deathstroke has gotten to be a pretty popular DC character, having reached a decent level of fame despite not having much live cinematic representation. Just about everyone knows him as being the ArchEnemy of the Teen Titans. He's achieved [[NeverLiveItDown infamy for sleeping with Terra]]. And he's built a notable reputation for himself as the guy who can sometimes effortlessly beat up entire teams of really powerful superheroes and supervillains alike. But beyond that, Slade's PopularityPower hasn't really rubbed off on his solo stories, with a mainstream audience not being too familiar with his adventures when he's not fighting Batman or the Teen Titans or the Justice League. And some of his supporting characters and villains like Red Lion, Possum, the Jackal, Janissary, Odysseus, Dr. Ikon, and Koschei the Deathless haven't been able to reach the same level of popularity or recognition that Deathstroke himself has reached. So depending on what stories he's in, Deathstroke's level of recognition can either rise or wane. In stories involving the Titans, Batman, the Justice League, or other famous heroes, Deathstroke will always be one of the most recognizable and memorable characters you'll see. But when it comes to his own solo adventures as an AntiHero, that's when a general audience will struggle to identify what's going on with Slade's day-to-day solo adventures or the original supporting characters and villains created for Deathstroke's comics.
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* Music/LeylandKirby's musical project ''Everywhere at the End of Time'' received acclaim in the late 2010s and early 2020s for, essentially, being a musical representation of how dementia feels and how heartbreaking it is to experience. Most who are interested in it will have heard the [[FirstInstallmentWins first track]] on it, too. However, the utter despair of the albums' theme, the way that the music quickly degenerates into little more than discordant, loud droning sounds after the first hour or so, and the sheer length of it (''six and a half hours'') make it ''very'' mentally taxing and time-consuming to get through. No wonder most people haven't heard past the first few tracks.

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* Music/LeylandKirby's musical project ''Everywhere at the End of Time'' received acclaim in the late 2010s and early 2020s for, essentially, being a musical representation of how dementia feels and how heartbreaking it is to experience. Most who are interested in it will have heard the [[FirstInstallmentWins first track]] on it, too. However, the utter despair of the albums' album series' theme, the way that the music quickly degenerates into little more than discordant, loud droning sounds after the first hour or so, and the sheer length of it (''six and a half hours'') make it ''very'' mentally taxing and time-consuming to get through. No wonder most people haven't heard listened to it past the first few tracks.
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For the inverse, see ObscurePopularity which is when the work has a large following despite being obscure beyond it. See also TheThemeParkVersion, which describes how certain events, people, and figures are {{Flanderiz|ation}}ed to a series of signs.

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For the inverse, see ObscurePopularity ObscurePopularity, which is when the work has a large following despite being obscure beyond it. See also TheThemeParkVersion, which describes how certain events, people, and figures are {{Flanderiz|ation}}ed to a series of signs.
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See also, TheThemeParkVersion which describes how certain events, people, and figures are {{Flanderiz|ation}}ed to a series of signs. See also ObscurePopularity for when the work has a large following despite being obscure beyond it.

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For the inverse, see ObscurePopularity which is when the work has a large following despite being obscure beyond it. See also, TheThemeParkVersion also TheThemeParkVersion, which describes how certain events, people, and figures are {{Flanderiz|ation}}ed to a series of signs. See also ObscurePopularity for when the work has a large following despite being obscure beyond it.
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* Music/{{Avicii}} is one of the biggest EDM names in the world, but mainstream audiences will be hard-pressed to name a song of his that isn't "Wake Me Up!", with "Levels" being a ''possible'' exception.

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* Music/{{Avicii}} is one of the biggest EDM names in the world, but mainstream audiences will be hard-pressed to name a song of his that isn't "Wake Me Up!", Up", with "The Nights" and "Levels" being a ''possible'' exception.exceptions.
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* Creator/{{Sega}} suffered from this for a while, as their attempts to counter Nintendo's monopoly in the US with the UsefulNotes/SegaMasterSystem failed (as compared to [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Europe and South America, where they had much more success]]). Even the UsefulNotes/SegaGenesis struggled for a time until ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1'' debuted in 1991. Sega then suffered from this again with the UsefulNotes/SegaSaturn as Sega fumbled repeatedly with everything from marketing to distribution; many of the greatest games on the Saturn (such as the first game in the ''Videogame/SakuraWars'' series) never reached North America thanks to Bernie Stolar's "no 2D" policies. The UsefulNotes/SegaDreamcast only ran from 1998 to early 2001, but conversely many of its' games are still well-remembered and the console has a devoted cult following. Even today, many people only know about Sega for ''Sonic'', the Genesis, the [=DreamCast=], and more recently the ''VideoGame/{{Yakuza}}'' series than anything else they've worked on outside of those.

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* Creator/{{Sega}} suffered from this for a while, as their attempts to counter Nintendo's monopoly in the US with the UsefulNotes/SegaMasterSystem failed (as compared to [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Europe and South America, where they had much more success]]). Even the UsefulNotes/SegaGenesis struggled for a time until ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1'' debuted in 1991. Sega then suffered from this again with the UsefulNotes/SegaSaturn as Sega fumbled repeatedly with everything from marketing to distribution; many of the greatest games on the Saturn (such as the first game in the ''Videogame/SakuraWars'' series) never reached North America thanks to Bernie Stolar's "no 2D" policies. The UsefulNotes/SegaDreamcast only ran from 1998 to early 2001, but conversely many of its' games are still well-remembered and the console has a devoted cult following. Even today, many people only know about Sega for ''Sonic'', the Genesis, the [=DreamCast=], [=Dreamcast=], and more recently the ''VideoGame/{{Yakuza}}'' series than anything else they've worked on outside of those.
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* In the early 2010s, Music/{{Skrillex}} became somewhat iconic on the internet, particularly in meme culture, as the face of modern EDM (particularly dubstep). However, his mainstream success has always been very scant, and his only major hits came with the Music/JustinBieber collab "Where Are U Now" and the Film/SuicideSquad song "Purple Lamborghini" Compare that to [=DJs=] like Music/DavidGuetta, Music/CalvinHarris, Music/{{Zedd}}, Music/DJSnake, and Music/TheChainsmokers, whose songs dominated the charts throughout the 2010s, but never received the same type of attention as Skrillex did for his image and persona.

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* In the early 2010s, Music/{{Skrillex}} became somewhat iconic on the internet, particularly in meme culture, as the face of modern EDM (particularly dubstep). However, his mainstream success has always been very scant, and his only major hits came with the Music/JustinBieber collab "Where Are U Now" and the Film/SuicideSquad Film/SuicideSquad2016 song "Purple Lamborghini" Compare that to [=DJs=] like Music/DavidGuetta, Music/CalvinHarris, Music/{{Zedd}}, Music/DJSnake, and Music/TheChainsmokers, whose songs dominated the charts throughout the 2010s, but never received the same type of attention as Skrillex did for his image and persona.
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* ''{{Series/Cheers}}'' was and still is considered to be one of the best sitcoms ever made. However, aside from the much-lauded pilot, the iconic finale, and a few episodes, most notably the episode about Cliff appearing on ''Jeopardy'', you will very seldom hear a lot of discussion about the show anymore. The show's fanbase isn't quite as active as many other sitcom fanbases like ''{{Series/Seinfeld}}'' (itself quite suffering from this), ''{{Series/Friends}}'', or even ''Cheers''' own spinoff ''{{Series/Frasier}}''. In fact, one could suggest that ''Frasier'' has supplanted ''Cheers'' in popularity and iconic status, as there are likely a number of people who are unaware the two series are related.

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* ''{{Series/Cheers}}'' was and still is considered to be one of the best sitcoms ever made. However, aside from the much-lauded pilot, the iconic finale, and a few episodes, most notably the episode about Cliff appearing on ''Jeopardy'', you will very seldom hear a lot of discussion about the show anymore. The show's fanbase isn't quite as active as many other sitcom fanbases like ''{{Series/Seinfeld}}'' (itself quite suffering from this), ''{{Series/Friends}}'', or even ''Cheers''' own spinoff ''{{Series/Frasier}}''. In fact, one could suggest that ''Frasier'' has supplanted ''Cheers'' in popularity and iconic status, as there are likely a number of people (especially from younger generations) who are unaware the two series are related.
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** This somewhat applies to Creator/StudioGhibli in general. In fact, ''Anime/SpiritedAway'' itself is perhaps of their more accessible films, ironically enough. Barring their more obviously [[AnimationAgeGhetto kid-friendly films]] such as ''Anime/MyNeighborTotoro'' or ''Anime/PonyoOnTheCliffByTheSea'', most general audiences are largely unfamiliar with their catalogue of films due to many of them (even the ones that aren't blatantly meant for adults such as ''Anime/PrincessMononoke'' or ''Anime/GraveOfTheFireflies'') often featuring themes and plotlines that even grown adults would find uncomfortable and upsetting upon first viewing. Making their audience in the West to be largely made-up of otakus, animation connoisseurs, and movie buffs (of which, there is significant overlap), but rarely amongst the average moviegoing public.

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** This somewhat applies to Creator/StudioGhibli in general. In fact, ''Anime/SpiritedAway'' itself is perhaps of their more accessible ''accessible'' films, ironically enough. Barring their the more obviously [[AnimationAgeGhetto kid-friendly films]] movies]] such as ''Anime/MyNeighborTotoro'' or ''Anime/PonyoOnTheCliffByTheSea'', most general audiences are largely unfamiliar with their catalogue of films films. Likely due to many of them (even the ones that aren't [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids blatantly meant for adults adults]] such as ''Anime/PrincessMononoke'' or ''Anime/GraveOfTheFireflies'') often featuring themes themes, plotlines, and plotlines worlds that even grown adults would could find uncomfortable and upsetting upon first viewing. Making their audience in the West to be largely made-up comprised of otakus, animation connoisseurs, and movie buffs (of which, there is significant overlap), but rarely amongst the average moviegoing public.

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* ''Anime/SpiritedAway'' is widely regarded as a flawless, exceptional, almost untouchable masterwork of animation, and won the Academy Award for Best Animated Film in 2003. But despite this, similar to ''Fantasia'', many fans of animated films who aren't major animation enthusiasts haven't seen it. And even those who have seen it have found the story surprisingly difficult to follow and understand. The reason for the film's success is its uniquely surreal world design and challenging themes such as social alienation, loneliness, discrimination, slavery and the loss of identity, but these aspects simply don't appeal to mainstream fans of animation, who are more used to far more accessible and cheerful animated films by Disney, Pixar, [=DreamWorks=] Animation, etc. People new to the film often find it uncomfortable and upsetting on their first viewing due to the constant mistreatment and mental anguish the main character undergoes throughout the film, which makes the film largely for animation connoisseurs, not mainstream audiences.

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* ''Anime/SpiritedAway'' is widely regarded as a flawless, exceptional, almost untouchable masterwork of animation, and won the Academy Award for Best Animated Film in 2003. But despite this, similar to ''Fantasia'', there are many fans of animated films in the general public who aren't major animation enthusiasts haven't seen it. And even those who have seen it have found the story surprisingly difficult to follow and understand. The reason for the film's success is its uniquely surreal world design and challenging themes such as social alienation, loneliness, discrimination, slavery and the loss of identity, but these aspects simply don't appeal to mainstream fans of animation, audiences, who are more used to far more accessible and cheerful animated films by Disney, Pixar, [=DreamWorks=] Animation, etc. People new etc.
** This somewhat applies
to Creator/StudioGhibli in general. In fact, ''Anime/SpiritedAway'' itself is perhaps of their more accessible films, ironically enough. Barring their more obviously [[AnimationAgeGhetto kid-friendly films]] such as ''Anime/MyNeighborTotoro'' or ''Anime/PonyoOnTheCliffByTheSea'', most general audiences are largely unfamiliar with their catalogue of films due to many of them (even the film ones that aren't blatantly meant for adults such as ''Anime/PrincessMononoke'' or ''Anime/GraveOfTheFireflies'') often featuring themes and plotlines that even grown adults would find it uncomfortable and upsetting on upon first viewing. Making their first viewing due to audience in the constant mistreatment and mental anguish the main character undergoes throughout the film, which makes the film West to be largely for made-up of otakus, animation connoisseurs, not mainstream audiences.and movie buffs (of which, there is significant overlap), but rarely amongst the average moviegoing public.



** On an individual level, Creator/JamesDean's career. He's one of the most iconic actors of America, someone who codified the bad-boy teen hero seen in endless American movies. But ironically, the people who tend to see his movies -- ''Film/RebelWithoutACause'', ''Film/EastOfEden'', or ''Film/{{Giant}}'' -- are actually quite old, and in some cases, of a much nerdier disposition (i.e. cinephiles) than the archetype Dean embodied and inspired (i.e. the BigManOnCampus cool kid).

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** On an individual level, Creator/JamesDean's career. He's one of the most iconic actors of America, someone who codified the bad-boy teen hero seen in endless American movies.movies even to this day. But ironically, the people who tend to see his movies -- ''Film/RebelWithoutACause'', ''Film/EastOfEden'', or ''Film/{{Giant}}'' -- are actually quite old, and in some cases, of a much nerdier disposition (i.e. cinephiles) than the archetype Dean embodied and inspired (i.e. the BigManOnCampus cool kid).



* ''Film/Plan9FromOuterSpace'' is the most famous cinematic example of SoBadItsGood. Yet more people are familiar with it thanks to Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/EdWood'' than those who've actually seen it. Outside the USA most people who saw ''Ed Wood'' are probably not even aware Creator/EdWood really existed [[RealityIsUnrealistic and his films were really that badly made]]!

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* ''Film/Plan9FromOuterSpace'' is the most famous cinematic example of SoBadItsGood. Yet more people are familiar with it thanks to Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/EdWood'' than those who've actually seen it. Outside the USA USA, most people who saw ''Ed Wood'' are probably not even aware Creator/EdWood really existed was a real person [[RealityIsUnrealistic and his films were really that badly made]]!

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** The Creator/MarxBrothers are famous for their dedicated fans and people who actually sat down and watched any of their movies. To the modern, general public Groucho's face may ring a bell, his and Harpo's names may too, but that's about it. Some of their scenes are well-known, like ''Why a duck?'', the mirror gag from ''Film/DuckSoup'', and the crowded stateroom scene in ''Film/ANightAtTheOpera'', but not everybody may be able to point to them as the originators. Some younger viewers may know them from being references in Creator/WoodyAllen movies -- Allen complained about this when he made ''Film/SweetAndLowdown'' and his lead actress Samantha Morton claimed not to know who Harpo Marx was.



* This applies to famous comedians from UsefulNotes/TheSilentAgeOfHollywood, many of whom originated iconic bits of slapsticks and visual gags that ''still'' get laughs decades and a century after they are introduced. These gags are reused in countless movies and TV shows, but few have seen the originals:
** Everybody is able to recognize Creator/CharlieChaplin and knows he starred in slapstick movies. But for modern audiences: how many people have actually ever watched and enjoyed any of his films compared to his international fame? Let alone those who know he didn't really look like the Tramp in real life. (Creator/RobertDowneyJr, who played him in the 1992 {{Biopic}} ''Film/{{Chaplin}}'', was surprisingly similar-looking at that point!)
** Creator/BusterKeaton: He is most famous today for the landmark gag in ''Film/SteamboatBillJr'' in which the front of a house's facade falls on him, but his character survives because he neatly fits into a small opening. This gag is repeated countless times and still shows up in visual comedy but his films like ''Film/TheGeneral'' are more obscure, to say nothing of later work like ''Film/TheCameraman''.
** The scene in ''Film/SafetyLast'' where Creator/HaroldLloyd is hanging from a clock is far more famous than the rest of this film, let alone Lloyd himself. Only a few genuine trivia buffs can tell that Clark Kent's famous look was based on Lloyd's "glasses persona".



* This applies to famous comedians from the silent era, many of whom originated iconic bits of slapsticks and visual gags that ''still'' get laughs decades and a century after they are introduced. These gags are reused in countless movies and TV shows, but few have seen the originals:
** Everybody is able to recognize Creator/CharlieChaplin and knows he starred in slapstick movies. But for modern audiences: how many people have actually ever watched and enjoyed any of his films compared to his international fame? Let alone those who know he didn't really look like the Tramp in real life. (Creator/RobertDowneyJr, who played him in the 1992 {{Biopic}} ''Film/{{Chaplin}}'', was surprisingly similar-looking at that point!)
** The scene in ''Film/SafetyLast'' where Creator/HaroldLloyd is hanging from a clock is far more famous than the rest of this film, let alone Lloyd himself. Only a few genuine trivia buffs can tell that Clark Kent's famous look was based on Lloyd's "glasses persona".
** Creator/BusterKeaton: He is most famous today for the landmark gag in ''Film/SteamboatBillJr'' in which the front of a house's facade falls on him, but his character survives because he neatly fits into a small opening. This gag is repeated countless times and still shows up in visual comedy but his films like ''Film/TheGeneral'' are more obscure, to say nothing of later work like ''Film/TheCameraman''.
** The Creator/MarxBrothers are famous for their dedicated fans and people who actually sat down and watched any of their movies. To the modern, general public Groucho's face may ring a bell, his and Harpo's names may too, but that's about it. Some of their scenes are well-known, like ''Why a duck?'', the mirror gag from ''Film/DuckSoup'', and the crowded stateroom scene in ''Film/ANightAtTheOpera'', but not everybody may be able to point to them as the originators. Some younger viewers may know them from being references in Creator/WoodyAllen movies -- Allen complained about this when he made ''Film/SweetAndLowdown'' and his lead actress Samantha Morton claimed not to know who Harpo Marx was.

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* Many UsefulNotes/AcademyAward-nominated films are like this, particularly ones nominated for Best Picture. The titles and (usually) the premises become known in the American conscience when they're nominated, and yet, few people can say they've seen more than a couple, maybe even ''any''. This results in many people buzzing about films they have never seen, and probably never will, and this carries on into a new batch of films the following year as the previous winners and nominees are largely forgotten. ''Then'', a few years later, rarely anyone can even list the nominees, or who won and why in that particular year.
* ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'' has an in-universe example with the titular actor ([[AdamWesting who plays himself]]). Everyone in the movie admires Creator/JohnMalkovich immensely, and they seem convinced that he's one of the world's greatest living actors. None of them can actually name a movie that Malkovich has been in ([[RunningGag except "that jewel thief movie," which Malkovich insists he wasn't in]]).



* FilmNoir is well known. Few can even list some titles like ''Film/{{The Maltese Falcon|1941}}'', ''Film/TheBigSleep'' and ''Film/MurderMySweet''. But even these famous titles are little seen except by parody and they give a false impression of Noir Cinema since most of them were [[BMovie second-class movies]] and only a smaller number of them have a private detective as heroes (most of them have VillainProtagonist). In the case of ''The Maltese Falcon'', the final line, "The stuff that dreams are made of" has even been used in jewelry commercials, which considering the context of the original scene[[labelnote:spoilers from the film]]The Maltese Falcon is fake and when Bogart's Sam Spade says it's the stuff dreams are made of, he's noting that all dreams are as fake as that falcon[[/labelnote]], this is ComicallyMissingThePoint. For a bonus point, the "Stuff that dreams are made of" line originates from ''Theatre/TheTempest'' but in PopCulturalOsmosis, it is associated, as in the case of the Lone Ranger and Rossini, with the Maltese Falcon.
* More people probably know that Jason Voorhees wasn't the killer in ''Film/FridayThe13th1980'' because of that fact being referenced in the opening act of ''Film/{{Scream 1996}}'' than because they remember the plot from the original - assuming they actually saw the original in the first place.



* Many UsefulNotes/AcademyAward-nominated films are like this, particularly ones nominated for Best Picture. The titles and (usually) the premises become known in the American conscience when they're nominated, and yet, few people can say they've seen more than a couple, maybe even ''any''. This results in many people buzzing about films they have never seen, and probably never will, and this carries on into a new batch of films the following year as the previous winners and nominees are largely forgotten. ''Then'', a few years later, rarely anyone can even list the nominees, or who won and why in that particular year.
* ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow''. American pop culture status has made it so that mainstream audiences are somewhat familiar with the basics of the film. And everyone knows it's the uncrowned ''queen'' of CultClassic films. That, and, playing the Time Warp every Halloween helps. However, again, ask someone who isn't a fan of what the plot of the movie is. Most likely, the answer you'll get is, "Creator/TimCurry in drag." The AudienceParticipation within the film also counts. Sure, people in general know you're supposed to use props and yell certain lines when watching the movie. But ask anyone who isn't a die-hard fan what you're supposed to say and when!
* How many people have actually seen ''Film/SoylentGreen''? But [[ItWasHisSled everyone knows that it's made of people]].
* FilmNoir is well known. Few can even list some titles like ''Film/{{The Maltese Falcon|1941}}'', ''Film/TheBigSleep'' and ''Film/MurderMySweet''. But even these famous titles are little seen except by parody and they give a false impression of Noir Cinema since most of them were [[BMovie second-class movies]] and only a smaller number of them have a private detective as heroes (most of them have VillainProtagonist). In the case of ''The Maltese Falcon'', the final line, "The stuff that dreams are made of" has even been used in jewelry commercials, which considering the context of the original scene[[labelnote:spoilers from the film]]The Maltese Falcon is fake and when Bogart's Sam Spade says it's the stuff dreams are made of, he's noting that all dreams are as fake as that falcon[[/labelnote]], this is ComicallyMissingThePoint. For a bonus point, the "Stuff that dreams are made of" line originates from ''Theatre/TheTempest'' but in PopCulturalOsmosis, it is associated, as in the case of the Lone Ranger and Rossini, with the Maltese Falcon.
* ''Film/Plan9FromOuterSpace'' is the most famous cinematic example of SoBadItsGood. Yet more people are familiar with it thanks to Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/EdWood'' than those who've actually seen it. Outside the USA most people who saw ''Ed Wood'' are probably not even aware Creator/EdWood really existed [[RealityIsUnrealistic and his films were really that badly made]]!



* Many young people, in general, will often [[JustForFun/RoleAssociation associate a certain actor or director with their latest work]] because they never bother to watch any of their earlier and (sometimes) better works or are even aware of it. As a result, certain iconic actors and directors are perceived by younger people as "old, uncool has-beens" and they don't understand what made them so important or celebrated in the first place. Creator/RobertDeNiro and Creator/JackNicholson appeared in a lot of intelligent masterpieces and good movies in general well into TheNineties, but are nowadays usually cashing in checks by trading on their established personas in forgettable fare. (Or playing gimmicky, LargeHam comic-book roles that were often completely anathema to their former screen personae, which many film historians claim began with Creator/MarlonBrando's star turn in ''Superman''.) So they are still recognizable to many people, but mostly for being tabloid mainstays or interviewed on the red carpet.
* This applies to famous comedians from the silent era, many of whom originated iconic bits of slapsticks and visual gags that ''still'' get laughs decades and a century after they are introduced. These gags are reused in countless movies and TV shows, but few have seen the originals:
** Everybody is able to recognize Creator/CharlieChaplin and knows he starred in slapstick movies. But for modern audiences: how many people have actually ever watched and enjoyed any of his films compared to his international fame? Let alone those who know he didn't really look like the Tramp in real life. (Creator/RobertDowneyJr, who played him in the 1992 {{Biopic}} ''Film/{{Chaplin}}'', was surprisingly similar-looking at that point!)
** The scene in ''Film/SafetyLast'' where Creator/HaroldLloyd is hanging from a clock is far more famous than the rest of this film, let alone Lloyd himself. Only a few genuine trivia buffs can tell that Clark Kent's famous look was based on Lloyd's "glasses persona".
** Creator/BusterKeaton: He is most famous today for the landmark gag in ''Film/SteamboatBillJr'' in which the front of a house's facade falls on him, but his character survives because he neatly fits into a small opening. This gag is repeated countless times and still shows up in visual comedy but his films like ''Film/TheGeneral'' are more obscure, to say nothing of later work like ''Film/TheCameraman''.
** The Creator/MarxBrothers are famous for their dedicated fans and people who actually sat down and watched any of their movies. To the modern, general public Groucho's face may ring a bell, his and Harpo's names may too, but that's about it. Some of their scenes are well-known, like ''Why a duck?'', the mirror gag from ''Film/DuckSoup'', and the crowded stateroom scene in ''Film/ANightAtTheOpera'', but not everybody may be able to point to them as the originators. Some younger viewers may know them from being references in Creator/WoodyAllen movies -- Allen complained about this when he made ''Film/SweetAndLowdown'' and his lead actress Samantha Morton claimed not to know who Harpo Marx was.
* ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'' has an in-universe example with the titular actor ([[AdamWesting who plays himself]]). Everyone in the movie admires Creator/JohnMalkovich immensely, and they seem convinced that he's one of the world's greatest living actors. None of them can actually name a movie that Malkovich has been in ([[RunningGag except "that jewel thief movie," which Malkovich insists he wasn't in]]).



* ''Film/MidnightCowboy'' received much acclaim upon release, including the Academy Award for Best Picture, and is considered to be such an iconic and classic piece of film the United States government has it preserved (among with many others) in the National Film Registry. Its biggest impact upon the greater public? Being the source of the quote "Hey, I'm walkin' here!". Even then, the average person has no idea the quote even came from a film, only knowing it as a StockPhrase associated with [[BrooklynRage stereotypical New Yorkers]]. It's also known by a lesser number of people as an example of a movie released with the former [[UsefulNotes/MediaClassifications X rating]], who then assume it must have been earned through being exceptionally lurid and/or pornographic. In reality, the film's content isn't anything more extreme than what falls under an R rating, the X rating being [[RatedMForMoney requested by the distributor]] due to the LGBT themes.



* ''Film/ScentOfAWoman'' is best known for having won Creator/AlPacino his only Oscar, and is seen as controversial due to being seen as a ConsolationAward or as [[AwardSnub snubbing]] the likes of Creator/DenzelWashington and Creator/RobertDowneyJr It's also known less for the content of the film itself and more for the "HOO-HA" VerbalTic that the central character utters, something that later became synonymous with Pacino's many late-period bombastic performances.

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* ''Film/Plan9FromOuterSpace'' is the most famous cinematic example of SoBadItsGood. Yet more people are familiar with it thanks to Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/EdWood'' than those who've actually seen it. Outside the USA most people who saw ''Ed Wood'' are probably not even aware Creator/EdWood really existed [[RealityIsUnrealistic and his films were really that badly made]]!
* ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow''. American pop culture status has made it so that mainstream audiences are somewhat familiar with the basics of the film. And everyone knows it's the uncrowned ''queen'' of CultClassic films. That, and, playing the Time Warp every Halloween helps. However, again, ask someone who isn't a fan of what the plot of the movie is. Most likely, the answer you'll get is, "Creator/TimCurry in drag." The AudienceParticipation within the film also counts. Sure, people in general know you're supposed to use props and yell certain lines when watching the movie. But ask anyone who isn't a die-hard fan what you're supposed to say and when!
* ''Film/ScentOfAWoman'' is best known for having won Creator/AlPacino his only Oscar, and is seen as controversial due to being seen as a ConsolationAward or as [[AwardSnub snubbing]] the likes of Creator/DenzelWashington and Creator/RobertDowneyJr It's also known less for the content of the film itself and more for the "HOO-HA" VerbalTic that the central character utters, something that later became synonymous with Pacino's many late-period bombastic performances. performances.
* ''Film/SinginInTheRain'' is one of the most famous and iconic {{musical}}s of all time, and it's frequently cited as one of the greatest American films of the 20th century--yet relatively few people born after around 1980 have actually ''seen'' it. Case in point: everybody knows that it's a famous musical, and everybody knows that there's a scene where Creator/GeneKelly and Creator/DebbieReynolds, um...[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin sing in the rain]]. But significantly fewer people could describe the ''plot''. If you're actually curious: it's about a silent film star and a chorus girl in 1920s Hollywood who fall in love while trying to make their first talkie musical.
* How many people have actually seen ''Film/SoylentGreen''? But [[ItWasHisSled everyone knows that it's made of people]].
* ''Film/{{Spartacus}}'' is an epic to out-epic all other epics - starring some of the greatest actors of its time, directed by the legendary Creator/StanleyKubrick, and clocking in at well over three hours. And yet, it lives on in the public consciousness almost exclusively for the famous IAmSpartacus scene having been referenced and/or parodied mutliple times across various pop culture in the decades since its release. The average person under retirement age is likely to recognise "I am Spartacus" and basically nothing else.



* More people probably know that Jason Voorhees wasn't the killer in ''Film/FridayThe13th1980'' because of that fact being referenced in the opening act of ''Film/{{Scream 1996}}'' than because they remember the plot from the original - assuming they actually saw the original in the first place.
* ''Film/SinginInTheRain'' is one of the most famous and iconic {{musical}}s of all time, and it's frequently cited as one of the greatest American films of the 20th century--yet relatively few people born after around 1980 have actually ''seen'' it. Case in point: everybody knows that it's a famous musical, and everybody knows that there's a scene where Creator/GeneKelly and Creator/DebbieReynolds, um...[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin sing in the rain]]. But significantly fewer people could describe the ''plot''. If you're actually curious: it's about a silent film star and a chorus girl in 1920s Hollywood who fall in love while trying to make their first talkie musical.
* ''Film/MidnightCowboy'' received much acclaim upon release, including the Academy Award for Best Picture, and is considered to be such an iconic and classic piece of film the United States government has it preserved (among with many others) in the National Film Registry. Its biggest impact upon the greater public? Being the source of the quote "Hey, I'm walkin' here!". Even then, the average person has no idea the quote even came from a film, only knowing it as a StockPhrase associated with [[BrooklynRage stereotypical New Yorkers]]. It's also known by a lesser number of people as an example of a movie released with the former [[UsefulNotes/MediaClassifications X rating]], who then assume it must have been earned through being exceptionally lurid and/or pornographic. In reality, the film's content isn't anything more extreme than what falls under an R rating, the X rating being [[RatedMForMoney requested by the distributor]] due to the LGBT themes.
* ''Film/{{Spartacus}}'' is an epic to out-epic all other epics - starring some of the greatest actors of its time, directed by the legendary Creator/StanleyKubrick, and clocking in at well over three hours. And yet, it lives on in the public consciousness almost exclusively for the famous IAmSpartacus scene having been referenced and/or parodied mutliple times across various pop culture in the decades since its release. The average person under retirement age is likely to recognise "I am Spartacus" and basically nothing else.

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* More people probably know that Jason Voorhees wasn't the killer Many young people, in ''Film/FridayThe13th1980'' because of that fact being referenced in the opening act of ''Film/{{Scream 1996}}'' than general, will often [[JustForFun/RoleAssociation associate a certain actor or director with their latest work]] because they remember the plot from the original - assuming never bother to watch any of their earlier and (sometimes) better works or are even aware of it. As a result, certain iconic actors and directors are perceived by younger people as "old, uncool has-beens" and they actually saw the original don't understand what made them so important or celebrated in the first place.
* ''Film/SinginInTheRain'' is one
place. Creator/RobertDeNiro and Creator/JackNicholson appeared in a lot of intelligent masterpieces and good movies in general well into TheNineties, but are nowadays usually cashing in checks by trading on their established personas in forgettable fare. (Or playing gimmicky, LargeHam comic-book roles that were often completely anathema to their former screen personae, which many film historians claim began with Creator/MarlonBrando's star turn in ''Superman''.) So they are still recognizable to many people, but mostly for being tabloid mainstays or interviewed on the most red carpet.
* This applies to
famous and comedians from the silent era, many of whom originated iconic {{musical}}s bits of all time, slapsticks and it's frequently cited as one of visual gags that ''still'' get laughs decades and a century after they are introduced. These gags are reused in countless movies and TV shows, but few have seen the greatest American films of the 20th century--yet relatively few originals:
** Everybody is able to recognize Creator/CharlieChaplin and knows he starred in slapstick movies. But for modern audiences: how many
people born after around 1980 have actually ''seen'' ever watched and enjoyed any of his films compared to his international fame? Let alone those who know he didn't really look like the Tramp in real life. (Creator/RobertDowneyJr, who played him in the 1992 {{Biopic}} ''Film/{{Chaplin}}'', was surprisingly similar-looking at that point!)
** The scene in ''Film/SafetyLast'' where Creator/HaroldLloyd is hanging from a clock is far more famous than the rest of this film, let alone Lloyd himself. Only a few genuine trivia buffs can tell that Clark Kent's famous look was based on Lloyd's "glasses persona".
** Creator/BusterKeaton: He is most famous today for the landmark gag in ''Film/SteamboatBillJr'' in which the front of a house's facade falls on him, but his character survives because he neatly fits into a small opening. This gag is repeated countless times and still shows up in visual comedy but his films like ''Film/TheGeneral'' are more obscure, to say nothing of later work like ''Film/TheCameraman''.
** The Creator/MarxBrothers are famous for their dedicated fans and people who actually sat down and watched any of their movies. To the modern, general public Groucho's face may ring a bell, his and Harpo's names may too, but that's about
it. Case Some of their scenes are well-known, like ''Why a duck?'', the mirror gag from ''Film/DuckSoup'', and the crowded stateroom scene in point: ''Film/ANightAtTheOpera'', but not everybody knows that it's a famous musical, and everybody knows that there's a scene where Creator/GeneKelly and Creator/DebbieReynolds, um...[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin sing in may be able to point to them as the rain]]. But significantly fewer people could describe the ''plot''. If you're actually curious: it's originators. Some younger viewers may know them from being references in Creator/WoodyAllen movies -- Allen complained about a silent film star this when he made ''Film/SweetAndLowdown'' and a chorus girl in 1920s Hollywood his lead actress Samantha Morton claimed not to know who fall in love while trying to make their first talkie musical.
* ''Film/MidnightCowboy'' received much acclaim upon release, including the Academy Award for Best Picture, and is considered to be such an iconic and classic piece of film the United States government has it preserved (among with many others) in the National Film Registry. Its biggest impact upon the greater public? Being the source of the quote "Hey, I'm walkin' here!". Even then, the average person has no idea the quote even came from a film, only knowing it as a StockPhrase associated with [[BrooklynRage stereotypical New Yorkers]]. It's also known by a lesser number of people as an example of a movie released with the former [[UsefulNotes/MediaClassifications X rating]], who then assume it must have been earned through being exceptionally lurid and/or pornographic. In reality, the film's content isn't anything more extreme than what falls under an R rating, the X rating being [[RatedMForMoney requested by the distributor]] due to the LGBT themes.
* ''Film/{{Spartacus}}'' is an epic to out-epic all other epics - starring some of the greatest actors of its time, directed by the legendary Creator/StanleyKubrick, and clocking in at well over three hours. And yet, it lives on in the public consciousness almost exclusively for the famous IAmSpartacus scene having been referenced and/or parodied mutliple times across various pop culture in the decades since its release. The average person under retirement age is likely to recognise "I am Spartacus" and basically nothing else.
Harpo Marx was.
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'': Adjusted for inflation, it's the fourth highest-grossing animated film ever (despite that its original 1940 release was a notorious flop), widely praised as a masterpiece of cinema and art, but due to it being an AnthologyFilm with little dialogue but ClassicalMusic, not many people today can actually name a segment from it aside from "the WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse part", "the one with the mushrooms", "the dancing hippos" and maybe "that scene with [[SatanicArchetype the devil guy]]" or "the centaurs". As a result, its unique nature makes it less accessible than its other four contemporaries, and while it still has many fans, they're usually major art and/or classical music enthusiasts rather than conventional viewers.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'': Adjusted for inflation, it's the fourth highest-grossing animated film ever (despite that its original 1940 release was a notorious flop), widely praised as a masterpiece of cinema and art, but due to it being an AnthologyFilm with little dialogue but ClassicalMusic, not many people today can actually name a segment from it aside from "the WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse part", "the one with the mushrooms", "the dancing hippos" and maybe "that scene with [[SatanicArchetype the devil guy]]" or "the centaurs". As a result, its unique nature makes it less accessible than its other four Disney contemporaries, and while it still has many fans, they're usually major art and/or classical music enthusiasts rather than conventional viewers.

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