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24th May '16 4:07:33 PM ErikModi
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* Averted in ''{{Literature/Vampirocracy}}''. Leon and Ling took college classes in cryptozoology, mythozoology, thaumobiology, and thaumodynamics. While Leon notes such disciplines were frowned upon or considered heresy by some scientists before the world was [[TheUnmasquedWorld unmasqued]], others were aware that science was just a means to understand something, and could be applied to magic.
19th May '16 12:21:27 PM erforce
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* In ''{{Film/Ghostbusters}}'', our heroes are scientists who study the paranormal, which [[ClarkesThirdLaw looks like magic]] to the layman, but is actually quite scientific. They use FantasticScience to [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu defeat ghosts and interdimensional conquerors]]. MugglesDoItBetter, after all.

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* In ''{{Film/Ghostbusters}}'', ''{{Film/Ghostbusters 1984}}'', our heroes are scientists who study the paranormal, which [[ClarkesThirdLaw looks like magic]] to the layman, but is actually quite scientific. They use FantasticScience to [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu defeat ghosts and interdimensional conquerors]]. MugglesDoItBetter, after all.
29th Apr '16 3:47:32 PM TotemicHero
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* ''{{Silverfall}}'' has a rather annoying variant of the KarmaMeter which unlocks abilities the farther out you are toward the extreme ends of the nature vs. technology scale. As a result, anything approaching rational behavior is punished, as you're given more options as a nature-lover by performing acts of terrorism on technologists, and as a technology-lover, by committing ultimately pointless acts of ecosystem devastation.

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* ''{{Silverfall}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Silverfall}}'' has a rather annoying variant of the KarmaMeter which unlocks abilities the farther out you are toward the extreme ends of the nature vs. technology scale. As a result, anything approaching rational behavior is punished, as you're given more options as a nature-lover by performing acts of terrorism on technologists, and as a technology-lover, by committing ultimately pointless acts of ecosystem devastation.
28th Apr '16 9:26:28 PM TheOmnimax
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** In a wider perspective, magic versus science is also what determines how likely benders are to be born. The heavily spiritual Air Nomads were all benders, while the industrialized Fire Nation has the lowest ratio of any nation.

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** In a wider perspective, magic versus science is also what determines how likely benders are to be born. The heavily spiritual Air Nomads were all benders, while the industrialized Fire Nation has the lowest ratio of any nation.benders
28th Apr '16 4:49:01 AM Allexan
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* In ''VideoGame/TheLongestJourney'' adventure game series, magic and science are actually complimentary forces of the universe, but in ancient time abusing their union almost caused TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, so Earth was divided into two parallel worlds to keep magic and science separated. But some subtle remarks of BigBad imply something more of it...

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* In ''VideoGame/TheLongestJourney'' adventure game series, magic and science are actually complimentary forces of the universe, but in ancient time abusing their union almost caused TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, so Earth was divided into two parallel worlds with [[BarrierMaiden Warden]] between them to keep magic and science separated. But some subtle remarks of BigBad imply something more of it...it...
** In it's sequel ''VideoGame/DreamfallTheLongestJourney'' some of most advanced technologies like FasterThanLight travel ceased to function after restoring Warden to his post, implying that it was actually magic.
*** In it's sequel ''VideoGame/DreamfallChapters'' Azadis' [[SteamPunk steam]] [[SufficientlyAdvancedBambooTechnology computer]] causes disturbances to senses of magic races, driving some of them off city. [[spoiler:It's implied, that this computer actually twists [[RealityWarper power of dreams]], underlying magic, science and reality itself]].
28th Apr '16 4:30:10 AM Allexan
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* In ''VideoGame/TheLongestJourney'' adventure game series, magic and science are actually complimentary forces of the universe, but because the humanity couldn't handle them both at once, Earth was divided into two parallel worlds to keep magic and science separated. Mixing them usually brings about some weird results, suggesting that they were separated for a reason...

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* In ''VideoGame/TheLongestJourney'' adventure game series, magic and science are actually complimentary forces of the universe, but because the humanity couldn't handle them both at once, in ancient time abusing their union almost caused TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, so Earth was divided into two parallel worlds to keep magic and science separated. Mixing them usually brings about But some weird results, suggesting that they were separated for a reason...subtle remarks of BigBad imply something more of it...
16th Apr '16 7:55:17 PM merotoker
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The modern scientific community is highly skeptical toward claims of the paranormal, and largely disbelieves in the existence of [[FunctionalMagic magic]]; any effective practices such as [[ThatOldTimePrescription the drinking of willow bark tea]] for headaches that were previously termed magic have since been scientifically explained. While, for the scientists, this is just a question of evidence (and science has no problem over time accepting counter-intuitive phenomena like radioactivity, quantum physics, hypnosis and superconductivity, so long as the evidence for their existence is compelling), some people interpret it to mean that science and magic are fundamentally opposed. Some authors will then transplant this opposition into a SpeculativeFiction setting: [[FunctionalMagic Magic really does exist]], but [[HarmonyVersusDiscipline for whatever reason]], it's not on speaking terms with Science or Technology. However, what many Anti-Magic Scientists and Anti-Science Magicians seem to forget is that since most magic systems [[MagicAIsMagicA follow a set of rules]], magic itself [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic can be seen as a form of science(though it is often an art instead).]] Nonetheless, one should not expect different types of magic systems to be reconcilable, [[http://everything2.com/title/Resolving+disparate+magic+systems+when+forced+to except when they are.]] Interestingly enough, in pre-scientific times, all of the modern sciences, all forms of industry, and the very laws of nature itself [[http://www.scribd.com/doc/2868464/Magic-in-Games were considered to be magic.]]

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The modern scientific community is highly skeptical toward claims of the paranormal, and largely disbelieves in the existence of [[FunctionalMagic magic]]; any effective practices such as [[ThatOldTimePrescription the drinking of willow bark tea]] for headaches that were previously termed magic have since been scientifically explained. While, for the scientists, this is just a question of evidence (and science has no problem over time accepting counter-intuitive phenomena like radioactivity, quantum physics, hypnosis and superconductivity, so long as the evidence for their existence is compelling), some people interpret it to mean that science and magic are fundamentally opposed. Some authors will then transplant this opposition into a SpeculativeFiction setting: [[FunctionalMagic Magic really does exist]], but [[HarmonyVersusDiscipline for whatever reason]], it's not on speaking terms with Science or Technology. However, what many Anti-Magic Scientists and Anti-Science Magicians seem to forget is that since most magic systems [[MagicAIsMagicA follow a set of rules]], magic itself [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic can be seen as a form of science(though science (though it is often an art instead).]] Nonetheless, one should not expect different types of magic systems to be reconcilable, [[http://everything2.com/title/Resolving+disparate+magic+systems+when+forced+to except when they are.]] Interestingly enough, in pre-scientific times, all of the modern sciences, all forms of industry, and the very laws of nature itself [[http://www.scribd.com/doc/2868464/Magic-in-Games were considered to be magic.]]



* This is an explicit divide in the Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}, as true Magic is literally "what science and technology cannot accomplish" (ie. a miracle) and its actual power is proportional to how mysterious and obscure it is. [[FunctionalMagic Magecraft]] sits in the middle as the "artificial reenactment of miracles"; the science or methodology of magic.

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* This is an explicit divide in the Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}, as true Magic is literally "what science and technology cannot accomplish" (ie.(i.e. a miracle) and its actual power is proportional to how mysterious and obscure it is. [[FunctionalMagic Magecraft]] sits in the middle as the "artificial reenactment of miracles"; the science or methodology of magic.



* ''Anime/MagicUsersClub'' has ultra-tech aliens versus high-tech humanity; even with [[KillSat KillSats]], [[CurbStompBattle the obvious happens]]. They even get bonus points for not having sound in space. Then a Japanese high school club uses [[MagicAIsMagicA magic]] against them and they run away.

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* ''Anime/MagicUsersClub'' has ultra-tech aliens versus high-tech humanity; even with [[KillSat KillSats]], {{Kill Sat}}s, [[CurbStompBattle the obvious happens]]. They even get bonus points for not having sound in space. Then a Japanese high school club uses [[MagicAIsMagicA magic]] against them and they run away.



** Substituting magic for {{ki}}, there's a moment of this in the Saiyan arc. The Saiyans rely on the scouters to locate and quantify power levels, whereas the Earthlings train themselves to sense them. So, due to the Raditz's overreliance on his scouter, he underestimates Goku, Gohan and Piccolo, and dies for it. When Vegeta and Nappa touch down, Vegeta orders Nappa to discard the scouters, [[GenreSavvy having worked out that the scouters are misleading; the Earthlings can modulate and mask their power levels.]]

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** Substituting magic for {{ki}}, {{ki|Manipulation}}, there's a moment of this in the Saiyan arc. The Saiyans rely on the scouters to locate and quantify power levels, whereas the Earthlings train themselves to sense them. So, due to the Raditz's overreliance on his scouter, he underestimates Goku, Gohan and Piccolo, and dies for it. When Vegeta and Nappa touch down, Vegeta orders Nappa to discard the scouters, [[GenreSavvy having worked out that the scouters are misleading; the Earthlings can modulate and mask their power levels.]]



* Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}} versus Morlun. While Spidey's powers are based on "totemic spirits" (read: magic), they weren't helping that much against Morlun. So he beats Morlun with ''radiation''. After checking some of Morlun's blood under a microscope.

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* Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}} Comicbook/SpiderMan versus Morlun. While Spidey's powers are based on "totemic spirits" (read: magic), they weren't helping that much against Morlun. So he beats Morlun with ''radiation''. After checking some of Morlun's blood under a microscope.



* As for IronMan, he treats magic as a form of science he admits that he does not understand. Furthermore, if you try attacking him with magic spells, don't get your hopes up since this GadgeteerGenius is often able to counter anything you throw at him with his technology.
* Magic in the MarvelUniverse unsurprisingly tends to be a combination of all the conflicts listed above. It usually plays havoc with any technology it is used against and attempts to analyze it scientifically tend to fail like getting different results from each test. A lot of magic involves invoking entities or physics from another universe making it incompatible with devices or scientific laws from the main universe. It also had an ideology element as attempts to understand it rationally tend to blow up in one's face as [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] found out in one storyline.

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* As for IronMan, ComicBook/IronMan, he treats magic as a form of science he admits that he does not understand. Furthermore, if you try attacking him with magic spells, don't get your hopes up since this GadgeteerGenius is often able to counter anything you throw at him with his technology.
* Magic in the MarvelUniverse Franchise/MarvelUniverse unsurprisingly tends to be a combination of all the conflicts listed above. It usually plays havoc with any technology it is used against and attempts to analyze it scientifically tend to fail like getting different results from each test. A lot of magic involves invoking entities or physics from another universe making it incompatible with devices or scientific laws from the main universe. It also had an ideology element as attempts to understand it rationally tend to blow up in one's face as [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] found out in one storyline.



* In ''WesternAnimation/TheFlightOfDragons'', the hero discovers that he can negate magic by pointing out scientific flaws in it. The film is set in "the time between the waning age of enchantment and the dawning age of logic" and its major theme is whether magic and science can co-exist. The green wizard, Carolinus, says that a choice will be made between "a world of magic or a world of science". After being summoned across time and space by the good wizards, a board game designer from our own era confronts the evil wizard Ommadon and [[spoiler:defeats him by chanting the names of various modern sciences. His success is {{bittersweet|ending}}, as it resolves the choice in favour of science. [[TheMagicGoesAway The good wizards and their dragons and all other magical beings leave our world forever]] and withdraw into a separate "last Realm of Magic", [[EndOfAnAge marking the transition from one age to the next]].]]
* Creator/RalphBakshi's ''WesternAnimation/{{Wizards}}'' tells of a war between magic-armed Good fantasy races and tech-armed Evil mutants. It appears to be a straight rendition of this trope, together with a hefty dose of ScienceIsBad, [[spoiler: until the chief Good wizard shoots the Evil leader with a gun at the end: a subversion that lampshades the notion that ''only the morality of the people wielding them'' makes either science or magic Good or Evil.]]

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheFlightOfDragons'', the hero discovers that he can negate magic by pointing out scientific flaws in it. The film is set in "the time between the waning age of enchantment and the dawning age of logic" and its major theme is whether magic and science can co-exist. The green wizard, Carolinus, says that a choice will be made between "a world of magic or a world of science". After being summoned across time and space by the good wizards, a board game designer from our own era confronts the evil wizard Ommadon and [[spoiler:defeats him by chanting the names of various modern sciences. His success is {{bittersweet|ending}}, as it resolves the choice in favour of science. [[TheMagicGoesAway The good wizards and their dragons and all other magical beings leave our world forever]] and withdraw into a separate "last Realm of Magic", [[EndOfAnAge marking the transition from one age to the next]].]]
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* Creator/RalphBakshi's ''WesternAnimation/{{Wizards}}'' tells of a war between magic-armed Good fantasy races and tech-armed Evil mutants. It appears to be a straight rendition of this trope, together with a hefty dose of ScienceIsBad, [[spoiler: until the chief Good wizard shoots the Evil leader with a gun at the end: a subversion that lampshades the notion that ''only the morality of the people wielding them'' makes either science or magic Good or Evil.]]Evil]].



* In ''Film/OzTheGreatAndPowerful'', Oz defeats the [[WickedWitch Wicked Witches]] [[spoiler:Evanora and Theodora]] with machines, pyrotechnics, misdirection and science-based stage magic.

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* In ''Film/OzTheGreatAndPowerful'', Oz defeats the [[WickedWitch Wicked Witches]] {{Wicked Witch}}es [[spoiler:Evanora and Theodora]] with machines, pyrotechnics, misdirection and science-based stage magic.



* GregoryMaguire's ''Literature/{{Wicked}}'' has the following explanation:

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* GregoryMaguire's Gregory Maguire's ''Literature/{{Wicked}}'' has the following explanation:



* In the ''ColdfireTrilogy'' of C.S. Friedman, magic and technology exist side-by-side. The catch: the setting contains a form of WildMagic that turns ''everyone'' into a RealityWarper. If a single person near a combustion engine has the slightest bit of subconscious fear that it will explode, it ''will'' explode -- probably in the most disastrous way possible. As a result, most people can't use even the most minor technology unless they methodically work through a checklist to verify its trustworthiness ahead of time (and even then it's a risk to be avoided if possible). When the characters meet someone wearing a prominently displayed handgun, they know they are either (a) bluffing, (b) [[TooDumbToLive a fool]], or (c) a seriously powerful wizard.

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* In the ''ColdfireTrilogy'' ''Literature/ColdfireTrilogy'' of C.S. Friedman, magic and technology exist side-by-side. The catch: the setting contains a form of WildMagic that turns ''everyone'' into a RealityWarper. If a single person near a combustion engine has the slightest bit of subconscious fear that it will explode, it ''will'' explode -- probably in the most disastrous way possible. As a result, most people can't use even the most minor technology unless they methodically work through a checklist to verify its trustworthiness ahead of time (and even then it's a risk to be avoided if possible). When the characters meet someone wearing a prominently displayed handgun, they know they are either (a) bluffing, (b) [[TooDumbToLive a fool]], or (c) a seriously powerful wizard.



* ''Literature/ArtemisFowl'' looks like a regular case of Magical Fairies vs. Technological Humans; it turns out, though, that the fairies also have technology, and [[SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology it's far more advanced than ours]]. They have magic, but it's mainly used for things that are too hard to engineer or improve on, like {{healing|Hands}}. Magic [[{{Magitek}} interacts]] with technology sometimes, but [[AWizardDidIt no explanation of why magic works is ever given or asked for]], possibly because of its religion-like source.
* ''Literature/BitterSeeds'' by Ian Tregillis features an alternate WorldWarII where the Nazis have [[StupidJetpackHitler science-made]] psychics while the British have [[SummonMagic demon-summoning warlocks]].

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* ''Literature/ArtemisFowl'' looks like a regular case of Magical Fairies vs. Technological Humans; it turns out, though, that the fairies also have technology, and [[SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology [[MagicFromTechnology it's far more advanced than ours]]. They have magic, but it's mainly used for things that are too hard to engineer or improve on, like {{healing|Hands}}. Magic [[{{Magitek}} interacts]] with technology sometimes, but [[AWizardDidIt no explanation of why magic works is ever given or asked for]], possibly because of its religion-like source.
* ''Literature/BitterSeeds'' by Ian Tregillis features an alternate WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII where the Nazis have [[StupidJetpackHitler science-made]] psychics while the British have [[SummonMagic demon-summoning warlocks]].



* In ''Literature/SmokeAndShadows'', Arra comes from an AlternateUniverse where magic has been developed further than technology, and science is treated as an extension of magic. Magic is likewise [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic studied and applied in a rationalist manner]]. Interestingly, based on the spell book she stored on her MagicalComputer, her people did not know very much about [[SummonMagic demonology]] or [[{{Necromancy}} necromancy]], the two most widely-used forms of magic on the Earth in which the ''Literature/BloodBooks'' and ''Literature/SmokeAndShadows'' take place, a world where most people [[TheMasquerade do not believe in the supernatural]].

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* In ''Literature/SmokeAndShadows'', Arra comes from an AlternateUniverse where magic has been developed further than technology, and science is treated as an extension of magic. Magic is likewise [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic studied and applied in a rationalist manner]]. Interestingly, based on the spell book she stored on her MagicalComputer, her people did not know very much about [[SummonMagic demonology]] or [[{{Necromancy}} necromancy]], the two most widely-used forms of magic on the Earth in which the ''Literature/BloodBooks'' and ''Literature/SmokeAndShadows'' take place, a world where most people [[TheMasquerade [[{{Masquerade}} do not believe in the supernatural]].



* In HPLovecraft's CthulhuMythos, "magic" and the supernatural are usually considered to be a form of hyperdimensional science that human minds are incapable of truly comprehending (and [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity tends to make said minds go utterly bonkers if they practice it anyways]]). Of course, it can be considered something of a moot point considering that [[PunyEarthlings humans are as insignificant bugs (at best)]] to the more capable users of said sciences, who tend to be equally brain-breaking {{sufficiently advanced|aliens}} {{starfish aliens}} or {{eldritch abomination}}s (or both). [[CosmicHorrorStory It's that kind of setting]].

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* In HPLovecraft's CthulhuMythos, Creator/HPLovecraft's Franchise/CthulhuMythos, "magic" and the supernatural are usually considered to be a form of hyperdimensional science that human minds are incapable of truly comprehending (and [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity tends to make said minds go utterly bonkers if they practice it anyways]]). Of course, it can be considered something of a moot point considering that [[PunyEarthlings humans are as insignificant bugs (at best)]] to the more capable users of said sciences, who tend to be equally brain-breaking {{sufficiently advanced|aliens}} advanced|alien}} {{starfish aliens}} or {{eldritch abomination}}s (or both). [[CosmicHorrorStory It's that kind of setting]].



** "The Shakespeare Code". The Tenth Doctor explains that while humans took to numbers, [[MonsterOfTheWeek the Carrionites]] took to words that looks and acts just like witchcraft and which the Carrionites call magic distinct from science. The Doctor insist it is science. Interestingly, it seems as though this is not a phenomenon unique to the Carrionites, as it seems that nearly anyone can use the system, but most lack the ability to understand it enough to make anything more than a basic use of it. The Doctor himself can only grasp the basics and needs help to make it work on a larger scale.

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** "The Shakespeare Code". The Tenth Doctor explains that while humans took to numbers, [[MonsterOfTheWeek the Carrionites]] took to words that looks and acts just like witchcraft and which the Carrionites call magic distinct from science. The Doctor insist insists it is science. Interestingly, it seems as though this is not a phenomenon unique to the Carrionites, as it seems that nearly anyone can use the system, but most lack the ability to understand it enough to make anything more than a basic use of it. The Doctor himself can only grasp the basics and needs help to make it work on a larger scale.



* The MadeForTVMovie ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_%28film%29 Paradox]]'' (based on a comic of the same name) was set in a parallel universe where [[{{Magitek}} magic was the basis of technology]], and science was seen as superstition. The main character, a CowboyCop who distrusted magical evidence, was derided by other cops with lines like "What do you want to do, dust for fingerprints?" His LoveInterest was a GranolaGirl who advertised herself as a "Professional Pragmatist", and was able to identify a nonmagical explosive (gunpowder) and a nonmagical narcotic (cocaine) as being based on the ancient scientific beliefs of the Chinese and Incas. They also visited the science-based world, and WinstonChurchill (who's a powerful wizard in this world) speculated that the reason it never developed magic was that it contained more [[ColdIron iron]].

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* The MadeForTVMovie ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_%28film%29 Paradox]]'' (based on a comic of the same name) was set in a parallel universe where [[{{Magitek}} magic was the basis of technology]], and science was seen as superstition. The main character, a CowboyCop who distrusted magical evidence, was derided by other cops with lines like "What do you want to do, dust for fingerprints?" His LoveInterest {{Love Interest|s}} was a GranolaGirl who advertised herself as a "Professional Pragmatist", and was able to identify a nonmagical explosive (gunpowder) and a nonmagical narcotic (cocaine) as being based on the ancient scientific beliefs of the Chinese and Incas. They also visited the science-based world, and WinstonChurchill UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill (who's a powerful wizard in this world) speculated that the reason it never developed magic was that it contained more [[ColdIron iron]].



* Comes up often in the StargateVerse, what with the various SufficientlyAdvancedAliens masquerading as gods. A conversation between Daniel and the season 10 BigBad in disguise shows how the argument usually breaks down in-universe.

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* Comes up often in the StargateVerse, Franchise/StargateVerse, what with the various SufficientlyAdvancedAliens {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s masquerading as gods. A conversation between Daniel and the season 10 BigBad in disguise shows how the argument usually breaks down in-universe.



** Because of this it turns out the plan of the BigBad, an immensely powerful Mage, is to [[spoiler:build a massively complicated machine that doesn't actually ''do'' anything but which will generate a strong enough field simply by operating that it will punch a hole in his extradimensional magic prison.]]

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** Because of this it turns out the plan of the BigBad, an immensely powerful Mage, is to [[spoiler:build a massively complicated machine that doesn't actually ''do'' anything but which will generate a strong enough field simply by operating that it will punch a hole in his extradimensional magic prison.]]prison]].



** The relics of the Titans that created Azeroth are textbook examples of SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology or MagiTek. Some constructs even use computer-like syntax in their dialog. On the flipside, everything related to [[EldritchAbomination the Lovecraftian Old Gods]] is thoroughly magical.

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** The relics of the Titans that created Azeroth are textbook examples of SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology MagicFromTechnology or MagiTek. Some constructs even use computer-like syntax in their dialog. On the flipside, everything related to [[EldritchAbomination the Lovecraftian Old Gods]] is thoroughly magical.



** ''Videogame/FinalFantasyX-2'' takes this a step further by showing the "losing" side's own trump card, [[spoiler: Vegnagun, a machina whose destructive power was never used because it could not distinguish friend from foe. [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt One can only imagine would have happened if the two had ever met on the field of battle.]]]]

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** ''Videogame/FinalFantasyX-2'' ''Videogame/FinalFantasyX2'' takes this a step further by showing the "losing" side's own trump card, [[spoiler: Vegnagun, a machina whose destructive power was never used because it could not distinguish friend from foe. [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt One can only imagine would have happened if the two had ever met on the field of battle.]]]]battle]]]].



** This is a major plot point with the Lin Kuei clan, starting in ''VideoGame/MortalKombat3'': the Lin Kuei begin to subject their assassins to UnwillingRoboticization, leading Sub-Zero to rebel against them.

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** This is a major plot point with the Lin Kuei clan, starting in ''VideoGame/MortalKombat3'': the Lin Kuei begin to subject their assassins to UnwillingRoboticization, UnwillingRoboticisation, leading Sub-Zero to rebel against them.



** Also absent for the {{Film/Predator}} in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'': [[spoiler:his kind have no experience with magic, but in his arcade ending, he gladly uses Shinnok's amulet to upgrade his arsenal with {{Magitek}}.]]

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** Also absent for the {{Film/Predator}} in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'': [[spoiler:his kind have no experience with magic, but in his arcade ending, he gladly uses Shinnok's amulet to upgrade his arsenal with {{Magitek}}.]]{{Magitek}}]].



* This Trope is the entire premise of ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi''. It's less actual ''science'' and more of ''logic'', though, since both the protagonist and the reader are expected to solve the crimes from a logical perspective instead of the fantasy scenes presented. [[spoiler:As it goes on, however, the story becomes '''''[[MindScrew very]]''''' meta and postmodern in its approach to what is reality.]]

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* This Trope is the entire premise of ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi''.''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry''. It's less actual ''science'' and more of ''logic'', though, since both the protagonist and the reader are expected to solve the crimes from a logical perspective instead of the fantasy scenes presented. [[spoiler:As it goes on, however, the story becomes '''''[[MindScrew very]]''''' meta and postmodern in its approach to what is reality.]]



* This becomes a major plot point for Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses third anniversary special, ''WebVideo/SuburbanKnights''. [[spoiler:In a kingdom long ago, the king was torn between who to grant his favor towards, the sorcerer Malachite or the alchemist Aeon. Aeon and Malachite dueled and when Aeon won, the king approved of his alchemy and related research, causing science to become the dominant force over the world while magic faded into obscurity. Malachite now sees his gauntlet and the enchanted gemstone on it to regain his full powers and bring down the world of technology]].
** Part of this premise is PlayedForLaughs when Malachite accidentally reveals [[spoiler: that he has an iPhone.]]

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* This becomes a major plot point for Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses third anniversary special, ''WebVideo/SuburbanKnights''. [[spoiler:In a kingdom long ago, the king was torn between who to grant his favor towards, the sorcerer Malachite or the alchemist Aeon. Aeon and Malachite dueled and when Aeon won, the king approved of his alchemy and related research, causing science to become the dominant force over the world while magic faded into obscurity. Malachite now sees his gauntlet and the enchanted gemstone on it to regain his full powers and bring down the world of technology]].
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** Part of this premise is PlayedForLaughs when Malachite accidentally reveals [[spoiler: that he has an iPhone.]]iPhone]].



** Guts Vs Nightmare: While both combatants primarily fight with their {{BFS}}es, Guts uses an ArmCannon that fires cannonballs and arrows, while Nightmare uses supernatural powers granted by Soul Edge. [[spoiler: Technology wins, as Guts' arrows help distract Nightmare for Guts to cripple and finish him off.]] Also subverted, as it's [[spoiler:the supernatural Berserker Armor and Dragon Slayer that help Guts to survive Inferno/Soul Edge's flames and cut both of them into two.]]

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** Guts Vs Nightmare: While both combatants primarily fight with their {{BFS}}es, Guts uses an ArmCannon that fires cannonballs and arrows, while Nightmare uses supernatural powers granted by Soul Edge. [[spoiler: Technology wins, as Guts' arrows help distract Nightmare for Guts to cripple and finish him off.]] Also subverted, as it's [[spoiler:the supernatural Berserker Armor and Dragon Slayer that help Guts to survive Inferno/Soul Edge's flames and cut both of them into two.]]two]].



** Hercule Satan v.s. Dan Hibiki: The former's a BadassNormal who uses a JetPack and [[BagOfHolding Hoi-Poi Capsules]], the latter is able to use KiAttacks. [[spoiler: Technology wins, as Dan's KiAttacks were inept, and he is done in by swallowing a capsule containing a jukebox.]]

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** Hercule Satan v.s. Dan Hibiki: The former's a BadassNormal who uses a JetPack and [[BagOfHolding Hoi-Poi Capsules]], the latter is able to use KiAttacks. [[KiManipulation Ki Attacks]]. [[spoiler: Technology wins, as Dan's KiAttacks Ki Attacks were inept, and he is done in by swallowing a capsule containing a jukebox.]]



* ''WesternAnimation/FantasticFourWorldsGreatestHeroes'': In the episode "[[Recap/FantasticFourWorldsGreatestHeroesJohnnyStormAndThePotionOfFire Johnny Storm and the Potion of Fire]]," Reed Richards refuses to believe Diablo's magic is anything more that {{sufficiently advanced technology}} until he defeats Diablo and yells "HA! TAKE THAT MAGIC!".

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* ''WesternAnimation/FantasticFourWorldsGreatestHeroes'': In the episode "[[Recap/FantasticFourWorldsGreatestHeroesJohnnyStormAndThePotionOfFire Johnny Storm and the Potion of Fire]]," Reed Richards refuses to believe Diablo's magic is anything more that {{sufficiently sufficiently advanced technology}} technology until he defeats Diablo and yells "HA! TAKE THAT MAGIC!".



* Crops up time to time in ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'', considering it's a double-whammy of FishOutOfTemporalWater and a slow breaking of TheMasquerade. It turns out, science and magic are actually quite effective against one another, [[FantasyKitchenSink leading to such things as robots, cyborgs, aliens and mutants duking it out with ghosts, monsters, and GODS]]. When not [[FlatEarthAtheist denying the obvious existence of magic]] in the face of things like humanoid monsters that turn to stone during the day, city-spanning mystical effects and the ''king of TheFairFolk'' walking through Manhattan while the size of a skyscraper, the people that actually stop and study magic find it to be rather scientific in its rules and regulations, if not in effects.

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* Crops up time to time in ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'', considering it's a double-whammy of FishOutOfTemporalWater and a slow breaking of TheMasquerade.the Masquerade. It turns out, science and magic are actually quite effective against one another, [[FantasyKitchenSink leading to such things as robots, cyborgs, aliens and mutants duking it out with ghosts, monsters, and GODS]]. When not [[FlatEarthAtheist denying the obvious existence of magic]] in the face of things like humanoid monsters that turn to stone during the day, city-spanning mystical effects and the ''king of TheFairFolk'' walking through Manhattan while the size of a skyscraper, the people that actually stop and study magic find it to be rather scientific in its rules and regulations, if not in effects.
10th Apr '16 3:25:02 PM ultimomant
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* In ''Fanfic/TheBridge'', the cyborg Gigan gets stymied in magical realms like Equestria, as his scanners cannot make sense of the magical energy in the environment.

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cyborg Gigan gets stymied in magical realms like Equestria, as his scanners cannot make sense of the magical energy in the environment. environment.
** The evil Cloud Gremlins use dark magic to make their storm clouds too dense for even Rainbow Dash to break apart. Rodan applies the scientific principle of Thermal Expansion to make the clouds breakable.
19th Mar '16 11:22:14 AM superkeijikun
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* In ''VideoGame/MortalKombat'' this is the story arc of the Lin Kuei in a nutshell. The assassins battle between the cyborg ninjas newly created, and the old kind who do battle with their old supernatural abilities.

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* In ''VideoGame/MortalKombat'' this ''VideoGame/MortalKombat''
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is the story arc of a major plot point with the Lin Kuei clan, starting in a nutshell. The ''VideoGame/MortalKombat3'': the Lin Kuei begin to subject their assassins battle between the cyborg ninjas newly created, and the old kind who do battle with their old supernatural abilities.to UnwillingRoboticization, leading Sub-Zero to rebel against them.
19th Mar '16 11:20:32 AM superkeijikun
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** Also absent for the {{Film/Predator}} in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'': [[spoiler:his kind have no experience with magic, but in his arcade ending, he gladly uses Shinnok's amulet to upgrade his arsenal with {{Magitek}}.]]
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