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25th Jul '16 8:00:53 AM ChrisTheS
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* This appeared once in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', of all places. "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E15FeelingPinkieKeen Feeling Pinkie Keen]]" reveals the "Pinkie Sense", an ability Pinkie Pie has to predict impending events. Twilight Sparkle (The element of ''magic'', go figure) refuses to believe this and even drags Pinkie to her SchizoTech filled MadScientistLaboratory to try and disprove it.

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* This appeared once in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', of all places. In Equestria, magic is normally considered a branch of science and is believed to be governed by certain rules, but as the series goes on, the number of situations that defy that expectation increase. It is a constant source of astonishment and occasional exasperation to Twilight Sparkle (the Element of ''Magic'', go figure) when one of the fantastical elements of her world fails to operate in the way she expects it to.
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"[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E15FeelingPinkieKeen Feeling Pinkie Keen]]" reveals the "Pinkie Sense", an ability Pinkie Pie has to predict impending events. Twilight Sparkle (The element of ''magic'', go figure) refuses to believe this and even drags Pinkie to her SchizoTech filled MadScientistLaboratory to try and disprove it. it.
** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E20ItsAboutTime It's About Time]]" has a mildly unhinged Twilight declaring that the appearance of her future self is not scientifically possible, until her future doppelganger explains that it's due to one of [[AWizardDidIt Star Swirl the Bearded's]] spells. Then it's all right.
30th Jun '16 1:55:58 AM LondonKdS
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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', the conflict of worldviews is the reason for friction between the Court and the Wood. Etheric Science (that is, [[MagicAIsMagicA the science of magic]]) is one of the Court's major fields of research from the founding on, and the Court makes prominent use of Etheric technology: Robots that function with no visible drive systems, and magic spells by the elder [[spoiler:Donlans]] which turn out to be computer programs. But some members of the Court are distrustful and disparaging of magic-users, while magical denizens of Gillitie Wood espouse the Ethereal Tenet (which, in the words of the author, boils down to "It just does, okay?") and take umbrage at man's attempt to learn more about the world.

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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', the conflict of worldviews is the reason for friction between the Court and the Wood. Etheric Science (that is, [[MagicAIsMagicA the science of magic]]) is one of the Court's major fields of research from the founding on, and the Court makes prominent use of Etheric technology: Robots that function with no visible drive systems, and magic spells by the elder [[spoiler:Donlans]] which turn out to be computer programs. But some members of the Court are distrustful and disparaging of magic-users, while magical denizens of Gillitie Wood espouse the Ethereal Tenet (which, in the words of the author, boils down to "It just does, okay?") and take umbrage at man's attempt to learn more about the world. In trope terms, it looks like this to start with, but is quickly revealed to be more a case of RomanticismVersusEnlightenment.
26th Jun '16 12:49:35 AM HelloLamppost
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The modern scientific community is highly skeptical toward claims of the paranormal, and largely disbelieves in the existence of [[FunctionalMagic magic]]; any effective practices such as [[ThatOldTimePrescription the drinking of willow bark tea]] for headaches that were previously termed magic have since been scientifically explained. While, for the scientists, this is just a question of evidence (and science has no problem over time accepting counter-intuitive phenomena like radioactivity, quantum physics, hypnosis and superconductivity, [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic so long as the evidence for their existence is compelling),]] some people interpret it to mean that science and magic are fundamentally opposed. Some authors will then transplant this opposition into a SpeculativeFiction setting: [[FunctionalMagic Magic really does exist]], but [[HarmonyVersusDiscipline for whatever reason]], it's not on speaking terms with Science or Technology. However, what many Anti-Magic Scientists and Anti-Science Magicians seem to forget is that since most magic systems [[MagicAIsMagicA follow a set of rules]], magic itself [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic can be seen as a form of science (though it is often an art instead).]] Nonetheless, one should not expect different types of magic systems to be reconcilable, [[http://everything2.com/title/Resolving+disparate+magic+systems+when+forced+to except when they are.]] Interestingly enough, in pre-scientific times, all of the modern sciences, all forms of industry, and the very laws of nature itself [[http://www.scribd.com/doc/2868464/Magic-in-Games were considered to be magic.]]

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The modern scientific community is highly skeptical toward claims of the paranormal, and largely disbelieves in the existence of [[FunctionalMagic magic]]; any effective practices such as [[ThatOldTimePrescription the drinking of willow bark tea]] for headaches that were previously termed magic have since been scientifically explained. While, for the scientists, this is just a question of evidence (and science has scientists have no problem over time accepting counter-intuitive phenomena like radioactivity, quantum physics, hypnosis and superconductivity, [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic so long as the evidence for their existence is compelling),]] compelling;]] they'll just [[InsistentTerminology insist that it not be]] [[MagicByAnyOtherName called "magic"),]] some people interpret it to mean that science and magic are fundamentally opposed. Some authors will then transplant this opposition into a SpeculativeFiction setting: [[FunctionalMagic Magic really does exist]], but [[HarmonyVersusDiscipline for whatever reason]], it's not on speaking terms with Science or Technology. However, what many Anti-Magic Scientists and Anti-Science Magicians seem to forget is that since most magic systems [[MagicAIsMagicA follow a set of rules]], magic itself [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic can be seen as a form of science (though it is often an art instead).]] Nonetheless, one should not expect different types of magic systems to be reconcilable, [[http://everything2.com/title/Resolving+disparate+magic+systems+when+forced+to except when they are.]] Interestingly enough, in pre-scientific times, all of the modern sciences, all forms of industry, and the very laws of nature itself [[http://www.scribd.com/doc/2868464/Magic-in-Games were considered to be magic.]]
26th Jun '16 12:30:59 AM HelloLamppost
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The modern scientific community is highly skeptical toward claims of the paranormal, and largely disbelieves in the existence of [[FunctionalMagic magic]]; any effective practices such as [[ThatOldTimePrescription the drinking of willow bark tea]] for headaches that were previously termed magic have since been scientifically explained. While, for the scientists, this is just a question of evidence (and science has no problem over time accepting counter-intuitive phenomena like radioactivity, quantum physics, hypnosis and superconductivity, so long as the evidence for their existence is compelling), some people interpret it to mean that science and magic are fundamentally opposed. Some authors will then transplant this opposition into a SpeculativeFiction setting: [[FunctionalMagic Magic really does exist]], but [[HarmonyVersusDiscipline for whatever reason]], it's not on speaking terms with Science or Technology. However, what many Anti-Magic Scientists and Anti-Science Magicians seem to forget is that since most magic systems [[MagicAIsMagicA follow a set of rules]], magic itself [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic can be seen as a form of science (though it is often an art instead).]] Nonetheless, one should not expect different types of magic systems to be reconcilable, [[http://everything2.com/title/Resolving+disparate+magic+systems+when+forced+to except when they are.]] Interestingly enough, in pre-scientific times, all of the modern sciences, all forms of industry, and the very laws of nature itself [[http://www.scribd.com/doc/2868464/Magic-in-Games were considered to be magic.]]

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The modern scientific community is highly skeptical toward claims of the paranormal, and largely disbelieves in the existence of [[FunctionalMagic magic]]; any effective practices such as [[ThatOldTimePrescription the drinking of willow bark tea]] for headaches that were previously termed magic have since been scientifically explained. While, for the scientists, this is just a question of evidence (and science has no problem over time accepting counter-intuitive phenomena like radioactivity, quantum physics, hypnosis and superconductivity, [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic so long as the evidence for their existence is compelling), compelling),]] some people interpret it to mean that science and magic are fundamentally opposed. Some authors will then transplant this opposition into a SpeculativeFiction setting: [[FunctionalMagic Magic really does exist]], but [[HarmonyVersusDiscipline for whatever reason]], it's not on speaking terms with Science or Technology. However, what many Anti-Magic Scientists and Anti-Science Magicians seem to forget is that since most magic systems [[MagicAIsMagicA follow a set of rules]], magic itself [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic can be seen as a form of science (though it is often an art instead).]] Nonetheless, one should not expect different types of magic systems to be reconcilable, [[http://everything2.com/title/Resolving+disparate+magic+systems+when+forced+to except when they are.]] Interestingly enough, in pre-scientific times, all of the modern sciences, all forms of industry, and the very laws of nature itself [[http://www.scribd.com/doc/2868464/Magic-in-Games were considered to be magic.]]
12th Jun '16 5:40:38 PM LinTaylor
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* ''Series/KamenRiderGhost'' has this quite literally with the conflicts between Takeru's friends Akari (a scientifically-minded [[TheScully Scully]]) and Onari (a Buddhist monk [[TheMulder Mulder]]) who often butt heads. Though they don't always agree, they eventually come to respect the other's efforts and their squabbles are muted in the latter half of the series.
** The two-episode story arc that resolved Akari and Onari's conflict also had the Newton Eyecon "running away" after the heroes acquire the Himiko Eyecon, with both of them feeling that his belief in science and her mysticism are incompatible. A few different factors make this particularly head-scratching: ignoring the fact that Sir Issac Newton was a devout Christian in his lifetime, the entire series is about the supernatural (TheHero Takeru is a ghost trying to find a way to come back to life) -- which is the only reason Newton and Himiko are around to be {{Transformation Trinket}}s in the first place. After Akari stands up for Onari in the face of a MadScientist villain, the two Eyecons resolve their differences, allowing Takeru to combine their powers and defeat the MonsterOfTheWeek.
12th Jun '16 9:14:03 AM ironcommando
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** Ratchet & Clank vs. Jak & Daxter. Ratchet and Clank have a vast array of technology at their disposal to work with including weapons, shields, nanotechnology, and even Clank himself as a robot partner, while Jak can use the power of his Eco in offensive and defensive abilities as well as activating his super mode with Light and Dark Jak. [[spoiler:Thanks to Ratchet's varied weapons and abilities, Clank's advanced technology being able to counter pretty much all of Jak's Eco attacks, Jak's own pool of Eco being limited, and Daxter being a rather incompetent companion, science wins handily.]]
24th May '16 4:07:33 PM ErikModi
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* Averted in ''{{Literature/Vampirocracy}}''. Leon and Ling took college classes in cryptozoology, mythozoology, thaumobiology, and thaumodynamics. While Leon notes such disciplines were frowned upon or considered heresy by some scientists before the world was [[TheUnmasquedWorld unmasqued]], others were aware that science was just a means to understand something, and could be applied to magic.
19th May '16 12:21:27 PM erforce
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* In ''{{Film/Ghostbusters}}'', our heroes are scientists who study the paranormal, which [[ClarkesThirdLaw looks like magic]] to the layman, but is actually quite scientific. They use FantasticScience to [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu defeat ghosts and interdimensional conquerors]]. MugglesDoItBetter, after all.

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* In ''{{Film/Ghostbusters}}'', ''{{Film/Ghostbusters 1984}}'', our heroes are scientists who study the paranormal, which [[ClarkesThirdLaw looks like magic]] to the layman, but is actually quite scientific. They use FantasticScience to [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu defeat ghosts and interdimensional conquerors]]. MugglesDoItBetter, after all.
29th Apr '16 3:47:32 PM TotemicHero
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* ''{{Silverfall}}'' has a rather annoying variant of the KarmaMeter which unlocks abilities the farther out you are toward the extreme ends of the nature vs. technology scale. As a result, anything approaching rational behavior is punished, as you're given more options as a nature-lover by performing acts of terrorism on technologists, and as a technology-lover, by committing ultimately pointless acts of ecosystem devastation.

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* ''{{Silverfall}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Silverfall}}'' has a rather annoying variant of the KarmaMeter which unlocks abilities the farther out you are toward the extreme ends of the nature vs. technology scale. As a result, anything approaching rational behavior is punished, as you're given more options as a nature-lover by performing acts of terrorism on technologists, and as a technology-lover, by committing ultimately pointless acts of ecosystem devastation.
28th Apr '16 9:26:28 PM TheOmnimax
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** In a wider perspective, magic versus science is also what determines how likely benders are to be born. The heavily spiritual Air Nomads were all benders, while the industrialized Fire Nation has the lowest ratio of any nation.

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** In a wider perspective, magic versus science is also what determines how likely benders are to be born. The heavily spiritual Air Nomads were all benders, while the industrialized Fire Nation has the lowest ratio of any nation.benders
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