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18th Mar '17 7:15:04 PM nombretomado
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* ''Franchise/{{Neopets}}'' discusses about it in [[http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=133869&week=209 this article]]. In general, magic is more powerful, but technology is easier to use.

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* ''Franchise/{{Neopets}}'' ''Website/{{Neopets}}'' discusses about it in [[http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=133869&week=209 this article]]. In general, magic is more powerful, but technology is easier to use.
24th Feb '17 8:29:00 PM Fireblood
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* In Frazer's ''The Golden Bough'' the author claims that magic is more like science than religion because both assume a universe based on workable universal laws(in a magical universe the gods would effectively be unusually powerful [[TheFairFolk fair folk]], not deities as moderns would understand the concept and in some cosmologies, like the Egyptian, could actually be enslaved by a clever enough magician because they were bound to nature too). Under this idea, magic was just another kind of technology which did seem to work reasonably well; after all every spell designed to bring the death of one's enemy worked [[FridgeLogic did it not?]] Religion on the other hand was the supplication of beings ''above'' nature. Though of course there was confusion. The difference was that a wizard would conduct a ceremony and assume that the spirit whose help he wanted ''must'' come to his aid. Whereas a priest would conduct a ceremony on the assumption that a given diety had demanded it.
** Fraser also points out that magical traditions are usually perfectly logical-once their premise is accepted.

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* In Frazer's ''The Golden Bough'' the author claims that magic is more like science than religion because both assume a universe based on workable universal laws(in laws (in a magical universe the gods would effectively be unusually powerful [[TheFairFolk fair folk]], not deities as moderns would understand the concept and in some cosmologies, like the Egyptian, could actually be enslaved by a clever enough magician because they were bound to nature too). Under this idea, magic was just another kind of technology which did seem to work reasonably well; after all every spell designed to bring the death of one's enemy worked worked, [[FridgeLogic did it not?]] Religion on the other hand was the supplication of beings ''above'' nature. Though of course there was confusion. The difference was that a wizard would conduct a ceremony and assume that the spirit whose help he wanted ''must'' come to his aid. Whereas a priest would conduct a ceremony on the assumption that a given diety deity had demanded it.
** Fraser also points out that magical traditions are usually perfectly logical-once their premise is accepted. This is often also the case with religion, and [[ReligionIsMagic overlap exists]] at times.
24th Feb '17 8:25:39 PM Fireblood
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--->'''The Traveler''': You do understand, don't you that thought is the basis of all reality? The energy of thought, to put it in your terms, is very powerful.

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--->'''The Traveler''': You do understand, don't you you, that thought is the basis of all reality? The energy of thought, to put it in your terms, is very powerful.
24th Feb '17 8:22:37 PM Fireblood
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** Its revealed [[spoiler: The Order of Maesters is trying to destroy magic in favor of science]].

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** Its It's revealed [[spoiler: The Order of Maesters is trying to destroy magic in favor of science]].



* ''Literature/TalesOfMU'' has science treated in a similar way to wiccanism in our universe. The author has specifically stated in the [=FAQs=] that the scientific method simply doesn't work if you try and apply it to magic. Oftentimes this is because the magic actively refuses to be analyzed in such a way - it'll work reliably until you try and prove that it works reliably. Anyway, Magic exists in this world just as much as science does in theirs.

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* ''Literature/TalesOfMU'' has science treated in a similar way to wiccanism Wicca in our universe. The author has specifically stated in the [=FAQs=] that the scientific method simply doesn't work if you try and apply it to magic. Oftentimes this is because the magic actively refuses to be analyzed in such a way - it'll work reliably until you try and prove that it works reliably. Anyway, Magic magic exists in this world just as much as science does in theirs.
24th Feb '17 8:20:31 PM Fireblood
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* The line in ''Franchise/StarWars'' about "Your sad devotion to that ancient religion", as well as other evidence of characters skeptical about the Force, [[FlatEarthAtheist despite]] its clear ability to do otherwise unexplainable things.

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* The line in ''Franchise/StarWars'' about "Your sad devotion to that ancient religion", as well as other evidence of characters skeptical about the Force, [[FlatEarthAtheist [[ArbitrarySkepticism despite]] its clear ability to do otherwise unexplainable things.
11th Feb '17 7:48:01 PM DVB
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** It's mentioned in the expanded universe that magic ''did'' once exist in the current universe and was even practiced in Gallifrey. Rassilon, however, despised magic, and with the Time Lords' ascension, magic was quashed beneath science.

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** It's mentioned in the expanded universe that magic ''did'' once exist in the current universe and was even practiced in Gallifrey. Rassilon, however, despised magic, and with the Time Lords' ascension, magic was quashed beneath science. There was in fact a race of magic users who began approaching time travel before they went to war with the Time Lords and lost, getting them RetGoned. Had the won, they would've replaced the Time Lords as the dominant race with magic being the common phenomena. So in general, magic vs science actually occurred and magic lost.
*** This might explain the [[FridgeBrilliance Doctor's insistence with magic not existing. His race literally booted it and their followers out. And if it does exist, it means they could be back... and probably be very ''very'' pissed.]]
11th Feb '17 7:31:21 PM DVB
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** Substituting magic for {{ki|Manipulation}}, there's a moment of this in the Saiyan arc. The Saiyans rely on the scouters to locate and quantify power levels, whereas the Earthlings train themselves to sense them. So, due to the Raditz's overreliance on his scouter, he underestimates Goku, Gohan and Piccolo, and dies for it. When Vegeta and Nappa touch down, Vegeta orders Nappa to discard the scouters, [[GenreSavvy having worked out that the scouters are misleading; the Earthlings can modulate and mask their power levels.]]
** This gets later inverted in the Android arc, when the androids, products of Dr. Gero's science, are pitted against our heroes. Their strength being entirely mechanical, they don't possess any ki. Since the heroes have gotten too reliant on sensing ki for enemy detection they have a hard time tracking them down. They also tend to be at a disadvantage when at the same strength level because of their much vaster energy reserves (this applies only to #17 and #18 though).

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** Substituting magic for {{ki|Manipulation}}, there's a moment of this in the Saiyan arc. The Saiyans rely on the scouters to locate and quantify power levels, whereas the Earthlings train themselves to sense them.them (as well as willingly surpress them). So, due to the Raditz's overreliance on his scouter, he underestimates Goku, Gohan and Piccolo, and dies for it. When Vegeta and Nappa touch down, Vegeta orders Nappa to discard the scouters, [[GenreSavvy having worked out that the scouters are misleading; the Earthlings can modulate and mask their power levels.]]
** This gets later inverted in the Android arc, when the androids, products of Dr. Gero's science, are pitted against our heroes. Their strength being entirely mechanical, they don't possess any ki. Since the heroes have gotten too reliant on sensing ki for enemy detection they have a hard time tracking them down. They also tend to be at a disadvantage when at the same strength level because of their much vaster energy reserves reserves, alowing them to fight at top condition much longer while the heroes eventually get tired and sccumb to fatigue (this applies only to #17 and #18 though).
9th Feb '17 3:24:38 PM ChronoLegion
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* The central premise of ''Series/EmeraldCity'' with the brewing war between the Wizard (despite the name, he's actually a scientist, who utterly despises magic and has outlawed it in Oz) and Glinda ([[spoiler:who is revealed to be secretly producing more witches to bolster her army, even though her and West were supposed to be the last two cardinal witches]]). While, normally, only a witch (or the Beast Forever) can kill a witch, it's revealed that [[spoiler:a gun can do the job just as well]], prompting the Wizard to try to get as many of them as possible.
22nd Jan '17 6:30:49 AM Owlorange1995
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* ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'': [[CriminalDoppelganger Shadow Mario]] wields the Magic Paintbrush, which allows him to form portals, [[MookMaker create enemies]], and change his appearance at will; he's normally [[spoiler: the Koopa known as Bowser Jr.]] Mario uses FLUDD, a high-tech pump that not only washes away Shadow Mario's paint, but allows him to hover and propel himself through the air with pressurized water.

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* ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'': [[CriminalDoppelganger Shadow Mario]] wields the Magic Paintbrush, which allows him to form portals, [[MookMaker create enemies]], and change his appearance at will; he's normally [[spoiler: the Koopa known as Bowser Jr.]] Jr. Mario uses FLUDD, a high-tech pump that not only washes away Shadow Mario's paint, but allows him to hover and propel himself through the air with pressurized water.
22nd Jan '17 6:26:08 AM Owlorange1995
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* ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'': [[CriminalDoppelganger Shadow Mario]] wields the Magic Paintbrush, which allows him to form portals, [[MookMaker create enemies]], and change his appearance at will; he's normally [[spoiler: the Koopa known as Bowser Jr.]] Mario uses FLUDD, a high-tech pump that not only washes away Shadow Mario's paint, but allows him to hover and propel himself through the air with pressurized water.
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