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13th Apr '17 11:27:06 AM Omeganian
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** The passage from the American Declaration of Independence talking about equal rights and stuff is held as an example of something that could only be translated into Newspeak with the single word "crimethink" or as an "ideological translation" that would reverse its meaning.

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** The passage from the American Declaration of Independence talking about equal rights and stuff is held as an example of something that could only be translated into Newspeak with [[TranslationYes the single word "crimethink" "crimethink"]] or as an "ideological translation" that would reverse its meaning.
10th Apr '17 11:17:34 AM nombretomado
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* {{Seanbaby}} once got the chance to interview Tony Jaa and asked him through a translator whether he killed the stuntman he kicked with his flaming legs in ''Film/OngBak''. He remarked that the question the translator posed to Mr. Jaa was only ''one word long''.

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* {{Seanbaby}} {{Creator/Seanbaby}} once got the chance to interview Tony Jaa and asked him through a translator whether he killed the stuntman he kicked with his flaming legs in ''Film/OngBak''. He remarked that the question the translator posed to Mr. Jaa was only ''one word long''.
4th Apr '17 8:13:20 PM nombretomado
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** Infernal is characterized by painfully exacting grammar and pronunciation, reflecting the LawfulEvil strictness of the devils who speak it. The ChaoticEvil demons in contrast didn't even have an alphabet until they bastardized Infernal for their own tongue, Abyssal, just another in the long list of grievances the Baatezu hold against the Tanar'ri. The demons' tongue, according to one ''{{Planescape}}'' {{sourcebook}}, is a hopeless pile of inconsistent dialects, which "may well be part of the reason the tanar'ri are so angry all the time -- they're constantly and fundamentally misunderstood".

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** Infernal is characterized by painfully exacting grammar and pronunciation, reflecting the LawfulEvil strictness of the devils who speak it. The ChaoticEvil demons in contrast didn't even have an alphabet until they bastardized Infernal for their own tongue, Abyssal, just another in the long list of grievances the Baatezu hold against the Tanar'ri. The demons' tongue, according to one ''{{Planescape}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' {{sourcebook}}, is a hopeless pile of inconsistent dialects, which "may well be part of the reason the tanar'ri are so angry all the time -- they're constantly and fundamentally misunderstood".
31st Mar '17 3:24:06 PM nombretomado
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* Tylansian in ''OrionsArm'' uses the same words for "truth teller" and "complaining child" while the word for "liar" also means "successful man". It has often been stated as a cause for their ruling class' ChronicBackstabbingDisorder and Tylansia's general [[MedievalStasis stagnation]] ([[http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/483ae5827604f and ludicrous propaganda films that are strangely popular in the civilized galaxy]])

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* Tylansian in ''OrionsArm'' ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'' uses the same words for "truth teller" and "complaining child" while the word for "liar" also means "successful man". It has often been stated as a cause for their ruling class' ChronicBackstabbingDisorder and Tylansia's general [[MedievalStasis stagnation]] ([[http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/483ae5827604f and ludicrous propaganda films that are strangely popular in the civilized galaxy]])
14th Mar '17 12:11:02 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* In ''TheOffice'', Michael claims that the Jamaicans don't have a word "impossible." Jim promptly points out that they do. (Jamaicans speak English and/or the English-based Jamaican Patois, so their word for impossible is simply "impossible.")
** They don't ''always'' [[spoiler:speak English, although their alternative gets most of its vocabulary from English]]óbut even in pure Jamaican Creole, you can say "impossible", just with multiple words (it's something along the lines of "no can do").

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* In ''TheOffice'', Michael claims that the Jamaicans don't have a word "impossible." Jim promptly points out that they do. (Jamaicans speak English and/or the English-based Jamaican Patois, so their word for impossible is simply "impossible.")
** They don't ''always'' [[spoiler:speak English, although their alternative gets most of its vocabulary from English]]óbut even in pure Jamaican Creole, you can say "impossible", just with multiple words (it's something along the lines of "no can do").
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*** [[http://www.oocities.org/ripvanwormer/infernal.html Some website]] that may not base this on official sources has an interesting version of the LawfulEvil Infernal language(s) of the Baatezu (devils), presenting a fourfold hierarchy: ''Hellhound'' is mainly useful for barking orders. ''Baatezu'' or ''Infernal'' is deceptive and beguiling and it's impossible to tell the truth in it. It also contains a legal jargon that is, somehow, simultaneously binding and meaningless. (So good luck trying to come out ahead in that DealWithTheDevil.) ''Greater Baatezu'' or ''Malbaogni'' is even more exquisite and is used by lower Baatezu nobles, who probably use it with great skill but don't actually understand what they're saying, because that's only possible with knowledge of ''Mabrahoring'', the language of the highest Baatezu elite.
** There used to be a fan-made explanation on the web of the language of the Slaadi, the toad-like creatures embodying pure chaos. According to it, no-one had been able to study the language until a linguist got to study a human who had been raised by Slaadi and spoke the language. For a start, it was hard to even get this human to understand the concept of a common noun that applied to several different objects instead of just one. When communication was finally established, it turned out one of the reasons the Slaadi language was so weird was because Slaadi "individuals" didn't even exist in integer quantities other than when they interacted with other beings. [[MindScrew Obviously it's hard to even imagine what this would mean,]] but the most extreme creatures in the ''Planescape'' setting have always had a bit of an air of [[EldritchAbomination complete otherness]]. (By official sources, or at least 2nd edition ''Planewalker's Handbook'', Slaadi is just another no doubt weird language you can learn, but the language of the extremely orderly Modrons costs extra to learn for "being based on unique concepts".)
14th Mar '17 12:08:31 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* In ''TheOffice'', Michael claims that the Jamaicans don't have a word "impossible." Jim promptly points out that they do: [[spoiler: "impossible." [[DontExplainTheJoke Jamaicans speak English]].]]

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* In ''TheOffice'', Michael claims that the Jamaicans don't have a word "impossible." Jim promptly points out that they do: [[spoiler: do. (Jamaicans speak English and/or the English-based Jamaican Patois, so their word for impossible is simply "impossible." [[DontExplainTheJoke Jamaicans speak English]].]]")
14th Mar '17 11:59:02 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* Lampshaded in Creator/JohnWoo's ''Film/{{Broken Arrow|1996}}''. "I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a ''term'' for it." This is TruthInTelevision, albeit a cheap joke relying upon [[OutsideJoke the logical fallacy]] that only things that exist have terms for them. We have words covering everything from an erroneous transportation of a nuclear weapon (Bent Spear), the loss in transit or damage incurred to a nuclear weapon (Broken Arrow), the confirmed theft of a nuclear weapon (EmptyQuiver), and incidents involving other nuclear power systems than weapons (Faded Giant). On the other hand we also have the term "nuclear winter" which happily we haven't yet experienced.
** The real danger that the absence of the term invokes is of the WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong variety, that nobody thought up the term because no one [[DidntSeeThatComing anticipated]] it or planned for it, not necessarily that the concept is unthinkable.

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* Lampshaded in Creator/JohnWoo's ''Film/{{Broken Arrow|1996}}''. "I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a ''term'' for it." This is TruthInTelevision, albeit a cheap joke relying upon [[OutsideJoke though the logical fallacy]] that only things that exist have terms for them. We have military has words covering everything from an erroneous transportation for lots of a nuclear weapon (Bent Spear), the loss in transit or damage incurred to a nuclear weapon (Broken Arrow), the confirmed theft of a nuclear weapon (EmptyQuiver), and incidents involving other nuclear power systems than weapons (Faded Giant). On the other hand we also have the term "nuclear winter" which happily we eventualities that haven't yet experienced.
** The real danger that the absence of the term invokes is of the WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong variety, that nobody thought up the term because no one [[DidntSeeThatComing anticipated]] it or planned for it, not necessarily that the concept is unthinkable.
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4th Feb '17 1:02:27 PM Scorntex
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* ''Fanfic/RainbowDoubledashesLunaverse:'' Discussed in a story focusing on the dragons, who have problems here. Since dragon society is based mainly around greed and being the strongest, the dragon speaking to Cheerilee and Raindrops explains there are some terms he has to use Equestrian for, because the dragons just don't have the words.
4th Feb '17 1:28:45 AM Malachi108
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* Inverted in ''Series/DoctorWho'': in "A Good Man Goes to War", it is revealed that the Doctor has influenced many worlds indirectly throughout his travels. River Song claims that many languages, including Earth-based languages like English, have the word 'Doctor', meaning 'wise man' or 'healer', while some other worlds use the word 'Doctor' to mean 'warrior' or 'conqueror'. "We got that from you!" she proclaims at one point.

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* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
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Inverted in ''Series/DoctorWho'': in "A Good Man Goes to War", where it is revealed that the Doctor has influenced many worlds indirectly throughout his travels. River Song claims that many languages, including Earth-based languages like English, have the word 'Doctor', meaning 'wise man' or 'healer', while some other worlds use the word 'Doctor' to mean 'warrior' or 'conqueror'. "We got that from you!" she proclaims at one point.point.
** In the same episode TheReveal is that the people of the Gamma Forest have no word for "pond", because the only water in their forest is the river.
7th Jan '17 9:00:22 AM nombretomado
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* Lampshaded in JohnWoo's ''[[Film/BrokenArrow1996 Broken Arrow]]''. "I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a ''term'' for it." This is TruthInTelevision, albeit a cheap joke relying upon [[OutsideJoke the logical fallacy]] that only things that exist have terms for them. We have words covering everything from an erroneous transportation of a nuclear weapon (Bent Spear), the loss in transit or damage incurred to a nuclear weapon (Broken Arrow), the confirmed theft of a nuclear weapon (EmptyQuiver), and incidents involving other nuclear power systems than weapons (Faded Giant). On the other hand we also have the term "nuclear winter" which happily we haven't yet experienced.

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* Lampshaded in JohnWoo's ''[[Film/BrokenArrow1996 Broken Arrow]]''.Creator/JohnWoo's ''Film/{{Broken Arrow|1996}}''. "I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a ''term'' for it." This is TruthInTelevision, albeit a cheap joke relying upon [[OutsideJoke the logical fallacy]] that only things that exist have terms for them. We have words covering everything from an erroneous transportation of a nuclear weapon (Bent Spear), the loss in transit or damage incurred to a nuclear weapon (Broken Arrow), the confirmed theft of a nuclear weapon (EmptyQuiver), and incidents involving other nuclear power systems than weapons (Faded Giant). On the other hand we also have the term "nuclear winter" which happily we haven't yet experienced.
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