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10th Nov '17 11:17:14 PM darkknight109
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** Roboute Guilliman seems to be teetering on the edge of this with respect to the Imperium and how it compared to the ideal he strove to build in the 31st millennium.
-->'''Guilliman''': "Why do I still live? What more do you want from me? I gave everything I had to you, to them. Look what they have made of our dream. This bloated, rotten carcass of an empire is driven not by reason and hope, but by fear, hate and ignorance. Better that we had all burned in the fire of Horus' ambition than lived to see this."
8th Oct '17 5:35:38 AM Bliumage
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* This is mentioned early and often in ''VideoGame/OneShot'', with several character believing even [[TheChosenOne Niko]] restoring the sun wouldn't save the world, merely prolong the inevitable. It turns out that is because [[spoiler:the world is produced by a ThreeLawsCompliant AI, who is forced to violate the first law as part of its core programming. It wants to die so it can stop putting a real person in danger to produce a fake world.]]
18th Sep '17 6:09:00 PM jtierney50
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** This is also apparently Luke's view in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', although at the time of writing we don't have much more to go off of than the line from the trailer:
--->'''Luke''': I know only one truth: it is time for the Jedi [[WhamLine ... to end]].
15th Sep '17 3:48:16 AM kome360
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* ''VideoGame/{{Bioshock}}'': Ryan (and a dozen other disillusioned multibillionaires) grew increasingly disgusted with the United States' [[ValuesDissonance corruption]] of TheAmericanDream, from social security to nationalizing private property. When the United States revealed it had a doomsday weapon that could be mass produced, destroy, it was Ryan's belief that the idealistic dream of "one man born with nothing but the sweat on his brow, rising as high as he desired, and killing anyone who stood in his way" had died in America now that the White House could just nuke anyone they didn't like. Ryan decided to fuck off and build his own nation in a place that couldn't be found or targeted by nukes. Ironically, he doesn't realize "It's Beyond Saving" applied to HIS city. By Bioshock 2, the city is ruined but still alive, but any trace of capitalism (or even DarwinsLaw) has been replaced with a suicidal cult that worships the birth of a new HiveMind, and little girls are kidnapped by the cartload from outside the city (which opposes isolationishm) to create a Messiah out of the very Adam that Ryan wanted controlled. And in BioshockInfinite, Booker and Elizabeth deal so much damage to Columbia (not that they didn't deserve it, BY FAR) that the whole city throws itself into a maelstrom.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Bioshock}}'': Ryan (and a dozen other disillusioned multibillionaires) grew increasingly disgusted with the United States' [[ValuesDissonance corruption]] of TheAmericanDream, from social security to nationalizing private property. When the United States revealed it had a doomsday weapon that could be mass produced, destroy, it was Ryan's belief that the idealistic dream of "one man born with nothing but the sweat on his brow, rising as high as he desired, and killing anyone who stood in his way" had died in America America, now that the White House could just nuke anyone they didn't like. [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere Ryan decided to fuck off off]] and build his own nation city-state in a place that couldn't be found or targeted by nukes. Ironically, he doesn't realize "It's Beyond Saving" applied to HIS city. By Bioshock 2, the city is ruined but still alive, but any trace of capitalism (or even DarwinsLaw) has been replaced with a suicidal cult that worships the birth of a new HiveMind, and little girls are kidnapped by the cartload from outside the city (which opposes isolationishm) to create a Messiah out of the very Adam that Ryan wanted controlled. And in BioshockInfinite, Booker and Elizabeth deal so much damage to Columbia (not that they didn't deserve it, BY FAR) that the whole city throws itself into a maelstrom. Literally.
15th Sep '17 3:45:12 AM kome360
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* In the beginning of ''Anime/CrossAnge'', Ange [[TheWorldIsJustAwesome marvels at the World of Mana, calling it peaceful and perfect]]. By episode 10, having been turned on by everyone in her nation and exiled as CannonFodder against dragons on a PenalColony for being a Norma, she, after almost being executed, decides that the Mana world, which oppressed her and the other Normas, needs to be destroyed. By episode 23, when [[TheMagicGoesAway Embryo severs the Mana network]] and starts [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the fusion of the two worlds]], a few of the people who turned on her encounter her and [[EntitledBastard demand her help]]. She tells them she could care less, and scares them off with a gunshot. In the end, she and the other Normas (and a few formerly-Mana-using sympathizers) go to the DRAGON world, while everyone else deals with the collapse of civilization and the loss of Mana.

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* In the beginning of ''Anime/CrossAnge'', Ange [[TheWorldIsJustAwesome marvels at the World of Mana, calling it peaceful and perfect]]. By episode 10, having been turned on by everyone in her nation and exiled as CannonFodder against dragons on a PenalColony for being a Norma, she, after almost being executed, decides that the Mana world, which oppressed her and the other Normas, needs to be destroyed. It does not help that mana is actually a drug / mind control and the puppet master has a few screws loose. By episode 23, when [[TheMagicGoesAway Embryo severs the Mana network]] and starts [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the fusion of the two worlds]], a few of the people who turned on her encounter her and [[EntitledBastard demand her help]]. She tells them she could care less, and scares them off with a gunshot. In the end, she and the other Normas (and a few formerly-Mana-using sympathizers) go to the DRAGON world, while everyone else deals with the collapse of civilization and the loss of Mana.Mana; surprisingly, a world of trigger-happy barbaric raiders survive without mana fairly well.
15th Sep '17 3:42:04 AM kome360
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* ''VideoGame/{{Bioshock}}'': Ryan (and a dozen other disillusioned multibillionaires) grew increasingly disgusted with the United States' [[ValuesDissonance corruption]] of TheAmericanDream, from social security to nationalizing private property. When the United States revealed it had a doomsday weapon that could be mass produced, destroy, it was Ryan's belief that the idealistic dream of "one man born with nothing but the sweat on his brow, rising as high as he desired, and killing anyone who stood in his way" had died in America now that the White House could just nuke anyone they didn't like. Ryan decided to fuck off and build his own nation in a place that couldn't be found or targeted by nukes. Ironically, he doesn't realize "It's Beyond Saving" applied to HIS city. By Bioshock 2, the city is ruined but still alive, but any trace of capitalism (or even DarwinsLaw) has been replaced with a suicidal cult that worships the birth of a new HiveMind, and little girls are kidnapped by the cartload from outside the city (which opposes isolationishm) to create a Messiah out of the very Adam that Ryan wanted controlled. And in BioshockInfinite, Booker and Elizabeth deal so much damage to Columbia (not that they didn't deserve it, BY FAR) that the whole city throws itself into a maelstrom.
23rd Apr '17 9:35:57 PM Luigifan
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* In the beginning of ''Anime/CrossAnge'', Ange [[TheWorldIsJustAwesome marvels at the World of Mana, calling it peaceful and perfect]]. By episode 10, having been turned on by everyone in her nation and exiled as CannonFodder against dragons on a PenalColony for being a Norma, she, after almost being executed, decides that the Mana world, which oppressed her and the other Normas, needs to be destroyed. By episode 23, when [[TheMagicGoesAway Embryo severs the Mana network]] and starts [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the fusion of the two worlds]], a few of the people who turned on her encounter her [[EntitledBastard demand her help]]. She tells them she could care less, and scares them off with a gunshot. In the end, she and the other Normas (and a few formerly-Mana-using sympathizers) go to the DRAGON world, while everyone else deals with the collapse of civilization and the loss of Mana.

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* In the beginning of ''Anime/CrossAnge'', Ange [[TheWorldIsJustAwesome marvels at the World of Mana, calling it peaceful and perfect]]. By episode 10, having been turned on by everyone in her nation and exiled as CannonFodder against dragons on a PenalColony for being a Norma, she, after almost being executed, decides that the Mana world, which oppressed her and the other Normas, needs to be destroyed. By episode 23, when [[TheMagicGoesAway Embryo severs the Mana network]] and starts [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the fusion of the two worlds]], a few of the people who turned on her encounter her and [[EntitledBastard demand her help]]. She tells them she could care less, and scares them off with a gunshot. In the end, she and the other Normas (and a few formerly-Mana-using sympathizers) go to the DRAGON world, while everyone else deals with the collapse of civilization and the loss of Mana.



* In ''Comicbook/XMen'', the Sentinels were designed to hunt down and destroy mutants. [[AIIsACrapshoot They frequently develop self-awareness]] and decide that the best way to destroy mutants is to eliminate anything that may potentially become a mutant. In other words, anything with a genetic structure.

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* In ''Comicbook/XMen'', the Sentinels were designed to hunt down and destroy mutants. [[AIIsACrapshoot They frequently develop self-awareness]] and decide that the best way to destroy mutants is to eliminate anything that may potentially become a mutant. [[OmnicidalManiac In other words, anything with a genetic structure.]]



-->'''Egon:''' Something terrible is about to enter our world and this building is obviously the door. The architect's name was Ivo Shandor. In 1920 he started a secret society (of Gozer worshippers)... After the UsefulNotes/FirstWorldWar, Shandor decided society was too sick to survive. And he wasn't alone, he had close to a thousand followers when he died. They conducted rituals on the roof. Bizarre rituals intended to bring about the end of the world, and now it looks like it may actually happen.

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-->'''Egon:''' Something terrible is about to enter our world and this building is obviously the door. The architect's name was Ivo Shandor. In 1920 1920, he started a secret society (of Gozer worshippers)... After the UsefulNotes/FirstWorldWar, Shandor decided society was too sick to survive. And he wasn't alone, he had close to a thousand followers when he died. They conducted rituals on the roof. Bizarre rituals intended to bring about the end of the world, and now it looks like it may actually happen.



* [[Literature/TheBible Noah's]] [[TheGreatFlood flood]] and the older Greek version uses this as well. Also, Sodom and Gomorrah. God wants to destroy the whole cities because "their sin is very grievous" but Abraham tries to talk him down, bartering down to sparing the city if at least ten righteous people lived within. The criterion is not met.

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* [[Literature/TheBible Noah's]] [[TheGreatFlood flood]] and the older Greek version uses this as well. Also, Sodom and Gomorrah. God wants to destroy the whole cities because "their sin is very grievous" grievous", but Abraham tries to talk him down, bartering down to sparing the city if at least ten righteous people lived within. The criterion is not met.



* In Literature/TheDresdenFiles book ''Summer Knight'' [[spoiler: The Summer Lady]] plans to use powerful magic to end the cycle of life and death, thus ending the pain that comes with death. Of course, in the short term this plan will kill off most everything currently living. From what little we've seen of his motivations, Cowl seems to feel this way about the White Council. He might have a point there.
* Creator/IsaacAsimov's ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'' trilogy. By the time Hari Seldon created the science of psychohistory it was too late to save the Galactic Empire - at that point it was so decadent that its fall was inevitable. All he could do was to try to arrange conditions so a new Empire could rise in 1,000 years instead of 30,000.
* In famous French writer Julien Gracq's book ''Literature/LeRivageDesSyrtes'', in the end, the highest ranked government officials, depressed by the decadent and apathetic country of Orsenna they live in, decide not to prevent the on-going war with the military highly superior country of Farghestan (a war that would certainly lead to utter defeat and destruction), just so they can put an end to Orsenna as they know it.
* In ''Literature/AtlasShrugged'', John Galt and his followers feel this way about America. He is headhunting as many talented and intelligent people as possible with the intention of convincing them to not to join an enterprise, but rather a "strike" where skilled workers withdraw their skills from the market and engage only in unskilled labour. The intent is to destabilise the economy and government and for Galt and his followers to eventually fill the power vacuum and remake society in line with their ideals. [[InternetBackdraft Opinions are divided]] as to the morality of his plan.
* In Creator/HBeamPiper's ''The Cosmic Computer'', the existence of the [[MasterComputer titular supercomputer]] was covered up because it had predicted that [[spoiler: the Terran Federation was inexorably declining, and that the decline would accelerate into a rapid collapse if the prediction became generally known]].
* In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'' this is the heroes' attitude towards the United States. Once the US embraced diversity and multiculturalism, it was all over, and all they can hope is to preserve some worthwhile culture in a successor state.

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* In Literature/TheDresdenFiles book ''Summer Knight'' [[spoiler: The Knight'', [[spoiler:The Summer Lady]] plans to use powerful magic to end the cycle of life and death, thus ending the pain that comes with death. Of course, in the short term term, this plan will kill off most everything currently living. From what little we've seen of his motivations, Cowl seems to feel this way about the White Council. He might have a point there.
* Creator/IsaacAsimov's ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'' trilogy. By the time Hari Seldon created the science of psychohistory psychohistory, it was too late to save the Galactic Empire - -- at that point point, it was so decadent that its fall was inevitable. All he could do was to try to arrange conditions so a new Empire could rise in 1,000 years instead of 30,000.
* In famous French writer Julien Gracq's book ''Literature/LeRivageDesSyrtes'', in the end, the highest ranked highest-ranked government officials, depressed by the decadent and apathetic country of Orsenna they live in, decide not to prevent the on-going war with the military highly superior country of Farghestan (a war that would certainly lead to utter defeat and destruction), just so they can put an end to Orsenna as they know it.
* In ''Literature/AtlasShrugged'', John Galt and his followers feel this way about America. He is headhunting as many talented and intelligent people as possible with the intention of convincing them to not to join an enterprise, but rather a "strike" where skilled workers withdraw their skills from the market and engage only in unskilled labour. The intent is to destabilise the economy and government and for Galt and his followers to eventually fill the power vacuum and remake society in line with their ideals. [[InternetBackdraft Opinions are divided]] as to the morality of his plan.
* In Creator/HBeamPiper's ''The Cosmic Computer'', the existence of the [[MasterComputer titular supercomputer]] was covered up because it had predicted that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Terran Federation was inexorably declining, and that the decline would accelerate into a rapid collapse if the prediction became generally known]].
* In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'' ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', this is the heroes' attitude towards the United States. Once the US embraced diversity and multiculturalism, it was all over, and all they can hope is to preserve some worthwhile culture in a successor state.



* ''Series/{{Warehouse 13}}'': This is H.G. Wells's opinion on humanity and her motive for trying to bring about a new ice age using an artifact known as “the world’s first weapon of mass destruction.” H.G. was brought out of a hundred year stasis encased in bronze, which she had asked to be placed in due to her becoming mad with grief and hate following her daughter’s murder. H.G. had hoped to wake up in a better world but soon comes to the conclusion that things have only gotten worse and declares the only way to save the world is by “destroying the parasites eating it alive.”

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* ''Series/{{Warehouse 13}}'': This is H.G. Wells's opinion on humanity and her motive for trying to bring about a new ice age using an artifact known as “the world’s first weapon of mass destruction.” H.G. was brought out of a hundred year hundred-year stasis encased in bronze, which she had asked to be placed in due to her becoming mad with grief and hate following her daughter’s murder. H.G. had hoped to wake up in a better world world, but soon comes to the conclusion that things have only gotten worse and declares the only way to save the world is by “destroying the parasites eating it alive.”



** The Season Four BigBad Damien Darhk believes that Star City itself is beyond saving, and he's actually amused that people are still trying to save it. [[spoiler: It ultimately turns out that Darhk and his allies in HIVE feel this way about ''the whole planet'', and plan on nuking it so that they and the select survivors they've gathered can rebuild a better world afterwards; when Merlyn finds out about this, he's quick to hop aboard.]]
* In ''Series/RestaurantStakeout'', The Red Room's workplace environment was one of total freedom due to an owner who assumed a restaurant would run itself. What resulted was everybody treating the place like a second home, serving patrons only if they felt like it, and a chef who openly told his customers he wanted to quit. The staff got so comfortable at work that, unlike all other staffs Willie Degel intervened with before, they verbally attacked Willie every time he tried to propose something or call attention to something--the more Willie yelled at them, the harder they yelled back. Willie eventually walked out, for the first (and so far only) time in the series, when he realized the crew would never accept any workplace changes and that they displayed not an ounce of fear of him or anybody else. The owner soon felt the same way too and fired the entire staff.

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** The Season Four BigBad Damien Darhk believes that Star City itself is beyond saving, and he's actually amused that people are still trying to save it. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It ultimately turns out that Darhk and his allies in HIVE feel this way about ''the whole planet'', and plan on nuking it so that they and the select survivors they've gathered can rebuild a better world afterwards; when Merlyn finds out about this, he's quick to hop aboard.]]
* In ''Series/RestaurantStakeout'', The Red Room's workplace environment was one of total freedom due to an owner who assumed a restaurant would run itself. What resulted was everybody treating the place like a second home, serving patrons only if they felt like it, and a chef who openly told his customers he wanted to quit. The staff got so comfortable at work that, unlike all other staffs Willie Degel intervened with before, they verbally attacked Willie every time he tried to propose something or call attention to something--the something -- the more Willie yelled at them, the harder they yelled back. Willie eventually walked out, for the first (and so far only) time in the series, when he realized the crew would never accept any workplace changes and that they displayed not an ounce of fear of him or anybody else. The owner soon felt the same way too and fired the entire staff.



* In ''Music/TheProtomen'', after killing Protoman, and realizing that humanity will not stand for itself, Megaman decides to just give up and leave the City to Wily's robots, with a parting shot of "[[BookEnds you are the dead]]" at humanity. In some performances he even says to the robots, "[[PrecisionFStrike Fuck it]]! KillEmAll!"

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* In ''Music/TheProtomen'', after killing Protoman, and realizing that humanity will not stand for itself, Megaman decides to just give up and leave the City to Wily's robots, with a parting shot of "[[BookEnds you are the dead]]" at humanity. In some performances performances, he even says to the robots, "[[PrecisionFStrike Fuck it]]! KillEmAll!"



* This is the position the Craftworld Eldar held about the collapsing Eldar empire in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' right before the fall of the Eldar. They promptly decided to leave their home planets, leaving the debauched majority of their kind behind. Soon after leaving, the fall occurred, which literally {{squick}}ed Slaanesh into existence, claiming the majority of the Eldar empire with it. The few Eldar who remained who survived did so only by taking shelter in the Webway, where they became the Dark Eldar while the ones who escaped on the craftworlds barely managed to escape in time to survive the whole ordeal.

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* This is the position the Craftworld Eldar held about the collapsing Eldar empire in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' right before the fall of the Eldar. They promptly decided to leave their home planets, leaving the debauched majority of their kind behind. Soon after leaving, the fall occurred, which literally {{squick}}ed Slaanesh into existence, claiming the majority of the Eldar empire with it. The few Eldar who remained who survived did so only by taking shelter in the Webway, where they became the Dark Eldar Eldar, while the ones who escaped on the craftworlds barely managed to escape in time to survive the whole ordeal.



* This is Lysandre's motivation in ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' - he's convinced that the world will only become more and more corrupt due to terrible people and soon there will be not enough resources to go around, so the only way to save at least some people is to torch the earth and most of the population with it.
* The reason that Neku was brought into the Reaper's Game in ''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou'' was that the Composer considered Shibuya beyond saving, but agreed to one last game against his Conductor to decide whether he would destroy it or not. [[spoiler: He ultimately wins the game, but decides it's worth keeping around after all.]]

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* This is Lysandre's motivation in ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' - -- he's convinced that the world will only become more and more corrupt due to terrible people and soon there will be not enough resources to go around, so the only way to save at least some people is to torch the earth and most of the population with it.
* The reason that Neku was brought into the Reaper's Game in ''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou'' was that the Composer considered Shibuya beyond saving, but agreed to one last game against his Conductor to decide whether he would destroy it or not. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He ultimately wins the game, but decides it's worth keeping around after all.]]



* In the season finale for season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'', the city of Mainframe has been trashed so heavily by [=MegaByte=]'s rule that even [[BigGood Bob]] finds it hopeless to actually save the city. His solution is to intentionally lose a Game, corrupting the system past the brink and causing a total systems failure, gambling that the User reboots the system from backup, [[ResetButton restoring things to the way they were]], instead of reformatting, which would annihilate everything completely. [[spoiler: It works.]]

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* In the season finale for season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'', the city of Mainframe has been trashed so heavily by [=MegaByte=]'s rule that even [[BigGood Bob]] finds it hopeless to actually save the city. His solution is to intentionally lose a Game, corrupting the system past the brink and causing a total systems failure, gambling that the User reboots the system from backup, [[ResetButton restoring things to the way they were]], instead of reformatting, which would annihilate everything completely. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It works.]]
11th Mar '17 3:13:37 PM WaterBlap
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* Amy's Baking Company in ''Series/KitchenNightmares'' was declared unsalvageable by Gordon Ramsay by the beginning of the second day: When the co-owners realized Gordon would not be playing into their power fantasies by singing praise of their food, they stonewalled everything Gordon tried to do to improve the restaurant with Amy's temper escalating the more Gordon attempted. On the second day's morning, it became clear they had no concern for labor laws and safety regulations and that Amy refused to allow Gordon to speak for more than five seconds before ranting at him, so Gordon up and walked right out.
5th Jan '17 2:10:18 PM Prometheus117
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* This is the position the Craftworld Eldar held about the collapsing eldar empire in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' right before the fall of the eldar. They promptly decided to leave their homeplanets, leaving the debauched majority of their kind behind. Soon after leaving, the fall occured, which literally {{squick}}ed Slaanesh into existence, claiming the majority of the eldar empire with it. The few eldar who remained who survived did so only by taking shelter in the webway, where they became the Dark Eldar while the ones who escaped on the craftworlds barely managed to escape in time to survive the whole ordeal.

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* This is the position the Craftworld Eldar held about the collapsing eldar Eldar empire in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' right before the fall of the eldar. Eldar. They promptly decided to leave their homeplanets, home planets, leaving the debauched majority of their kind behind. Soon after leaving, the fall occured, occurred, which literally {{squick}}ed Slaanesh into existence, claiming the majority of the eldar Eldar empire with it. The few eldar Eldar who remained who survived did so only by taking shelter in the webway, Webway, where they became the Dark Eldar while the ones who escaped on the craftworlds barely managed to escape in time to survive the whole ordeal.


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*** There are also plenty of humans who abandoned the Imperium to the Tau or Chaos (or at least the ones who haven't been reduced to gibbering insanity or megalomaniacal evil) that bear this view of the Imperium, seeing it as a broken, decaying empire that's gonna take all of humanity into a hellhole with it when it finally collapses on itself. [[TheExtremistWasRight And honestly]], [[CrapsackWorld they're not wrong]].
17th Dec '16 1:45:44 PM Rhodes7
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* In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'' this is the heroes' attitude towards the United States. Once the US embraced diversity and multiculturalism, it was all over, and all they can hope is to preserve some worthwhile culture in a successor state.
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