->''"Gotham's time has come. Like Constantinople or Rome before it, the city has become a breeding ground for suffering and injustice. It is beyond saving and must be allowed to die. This is the most important function of the League of Shadows. It is one we've performed for centuries. Gotham must be destroyed."''
-->-- '''Ra's al Ghul''', ''Film/BatmanBegins''

Perhaps society A is a CrapsackWorld, and the idea is to either destroy it or to get people out of it. Perhaps society A is actively falling apart, and the idea is to simply let it fall apart. Whatever the case, some would claim that [[SoiledCityOnAHill society A is beyond saving]].

This could be said by a WellIntentionedExtremist who genuinely feels this way, it could alternatively be used by some other variety of villain as a mere rationalization, or even a form of ThePlan in which perhaps the intention isn't to destroy it/let it collapse/get people out of it after all, but to simply convince people that this is the idea. Also, it could be a heroic character using this justification, though that would probably tend to [[AntiHero evoke moral ambiguity]] by its very nature. Occasionally used heroically to admit that their efforts will only win a little time -- a stretched out LastStand.

In any case, the EXPRESSED idea is that the society is beyond saving, whatever the REAL idea may be.

Needless to say, this is a fairly popular attitude in RealLife, no matter the facts.
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Compare PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery and SoiledCityOnAHill.
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!! Examples:

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[[folder:Comic Books]]
* This happens in the Franchise/{{Batman}} StoryArc "[[ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand No Man's Land]]," where an earthquake hits Gotham City and the US government decides to wall it off and make it no longer part of the US instead of trying to save those in Gotham who couldn't get out in time.
* TheQuestion: Hub City, according to [[spoiler: Charlie]], who [[KnowWhenToFoldEm leaves]] at the end of the '80s series. Myra stays on as mayor, primarily to do what she can to protect the children of the city.
* In ''Comicbook/XMen'', the Sentinels were designed to hunt down and destroy mutants. [[AIIsACrapshoot They frequently develop self-awareness]] and decide that the best way to destroy mutants is to eliminate anything that may potentially become a mutant. In other words, anything with a genetic structure.
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[[folder:Film]]
* As stated by the page quotation, this is the attitude towards Gotham expressed by the League of Shadows in ''Film/BatmanBegins'', or at least by its leaders. Batman's disagreement with it drives much of the movie's story.
-->'''Bruce:''' Gotham isn't beyond saving. Give me more time; there are good people here.
-->'''Ducard:''' You're defending a city so corrupt we have infiltrated every level of its infrastructure.
* The separatists from ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' use this rationalization in a deleted scene. [[spoiler:Arguably a subversion, as Dooku was secretly working for Chancellor Palpatine to create a conflict that would give Palpatine more power.]]
-->'''Dooku''': We don't recognize the Republic here, senator, but if Naboo were to join our alliance, I could easily hear your plea.
-->'''Padme''': And if I don't join your rebellion?
-->'''Dooku''': The Republic cannot be fixed, m'lady. It is time to start over.
* ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}''. Egon Spengler is explaining the BackStory.
-->'''Egon:''' Something terrible is about to enter our world and this building is obviously the door. The architect's name was Ivo Shandor. In 1920 he started a secret society (of Gozer worshippers)... After the UsefulNotes/FirstWorldWar, Shandor decided society was too sick to survive. And he wasn't alone, he had close to a thousand followers when he died. They conducted rituals on the roof. Bizarre rituals intended to bring about the end of the world, and now it looks like it may actually happen.
* By the end of ''Film/EscapeFromLA'', [[spoiler:Snake Plissken decides the DayOfTheJackboot CrapsackWorld that society has become deserves to be sent back to the iron age via the [[CutTheJuice global EMP]] satellite control which he helped to retrieve.]]
* In ''Film/SkyCaptainAndTheWorldOfTomorrow'', Totenkopf's [[WellIntentionedExtremist motive]] in creating his World of Tomorrow (and destroying the old one in the process).
* In ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', Steve declares [[spoiler:SHIELD]] as this. [[spoiler:Considering that HYDRA infiltrated the organization at its very ''inception'', he's right -- the organization is too far gone to bother saving.]]
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[[folder:Literature]]
* [[Literature/TheBible Noah's]] [[TheGreatFlood flood]] and the older Greek version uses this as well. Also, Sodom and Gomorrah. God wants to destroy the whole cities because "their sin is very grievous" but Abraham tries to talk him down, bartering down to sparing the city if at least ten righteous people lived within. The criterion is not met.
* In Creator/PoulAnderson's ''Literature/DominicFlandry'' series, set in the 31st century, during the waning days of the Terran Empire, Dominic Flandry of the Imperial Naval Intelligence Corps has noted that he's just doing his best to stave off the inevitable collapse of the Empire.
* In Literature/TheDresdenFiles book ''Summer Knight'' [[spoiler: The Summer Lady]] plans to use powerful magic to end the cycle of life and death, thus ending the pain that comes with death. Of course, in the short term this plan will kill off most everything currently living. From what little we've seen of his motivations, Cowl seems to feel this way about the White Council. He might have a point there.
* Creator/IsaacAsimov's ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'' trilogy. By the time Hari Seldon created the science of psychohistory it was too late to save the Galactic Empire - at that point it was so decadent that its fall was inevitable. All he could do was to try to arrange conditions so a new Empire could rise in 1,000 years instead of 30,000.
* In famous French writer Julien Gracq's book ''Literature/LeRivageDesSyrtes'', in the end, the highest ranked government officials, depressed by the decadent and apathetic country of Orsenna they live in, decide not to prevent the on-going war with the military highly superior country of Farghestan (a war that would certainly lead to utter defeat and destruction), just so they can put an end to Orsenna as they know it.
* In ''Literature/AtlasShrugged'', John Galt and his followers feel this way about America. He is headhunting as many talented and intelligent people as possible with the intention of convincing them to not to join an enterprise, but rather a "strike" where skilled workers withdraw their skills from the market and engage only in unskilled labour. The intent is to destabilise the economy and government and for Galt and his followers to eventually fill the power vacuum and remake society in line with their ideals. [[InternetBackdraft Opinions are divided]] as to the morality of his plan.
* In Creator/HBeamPiper's ''The Cosmic Computer'', the existence of the [[MasterComputer titular supercomputer]] was covered up because it had predicted that [[spoiler: the Terran Federation was inexorably declining, and that the decline would accelerate into a rapid collapse if the prediction became generally known]].
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[[folder:Live Action TV]]
* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'':
** In the episode "Our Man Bashir", Dr. Julian Bashir was playing a Film/JamesBond expy in a holo-deck program, which became unpleasantly real when the [=DS9=] crew were caught in a freak transporter accident and became characters in his program. Captain Sisko took on the role of the main villain, Hippocrates Noah, who planned to wipe out most of humanity except for a small enclave in his secret base on the summit of Mount Everest, claiming that humanity had grown too corrupt to continue existing.
** By the seventh season, the Klingon Empire has had more than its share of corrupt and insane leaders, in spite of the stated Klingon beliefs regarding honor and courage. Ezri Dax's solution is to let the Klingon Empire, as it is then, die off instead of trying to fix things from within, reasoning that the Empire's governing system would just create more corruption in time anyway. This is a strong contrast to the previous Dax, Jadzia, who had a very romantic view of Klingon culture.
* ''Series/{{Warehouse 13}}'': This is H.G. Wells's opinion on humanity and her motive for trying to bring about a new ice age using an artifact known as “the world’s first weapon of mass destruction.” H.G. was brought out of a hundred year stasis encased in bronze, which she had asked to be placed in due to her becoming mad with grief and hate following her daughter’s murder. H.G. had hoped to wake up in a better world but soon comes to the conclusion that things have only gotten worse and declares the only way to save the world is by “destroying the parasites eating it alive.”
* In ''Series/{{Arrow}}'', part of the reason why Malcolm Merlyn wants to level the Glades and kill everyone in it was that his organization, Tempest, had tried and failed many times to gentrify the area, which came to a head when Merlyn's wife was murdered in the Glades. As a result, Merlyn is opposed to every current effort to improve the Glades in favor of just destroying the place with earthquake machines.
* Amy's Baking Company in ''Series/KitchenNightmares'' was declared unsavageable by Gordon Ramsay by the beginning of the second day: When the co-owners realized Gordon would not be playing into their power fantasies by singing praise of their food, they stonewalled everything Gordon tried to do to improve the restaurant with Amy's temper escalating the more Gordon attempted. On the second day's morning, it became clear they had no concern for labor laws and safety regulations and that Amy refused to allow Gordon to speak for more than five seconds before ranting at him, so Gordon up and walked right out.
* In ''Series/RestaurantStakeout'', The Red Room's workplace environment was one of total freedom due to an owner who assumed a restaurant would run itself. What resulted was everybody treating the place like a second home, serving patrons only if they felt like it, and a chef who openly told his customers he wanted to quit. The staff got so comfortable at work that, unlike all other staffs Willie Degel intervened with before, they verbally attacked Willie every time he tried to propose something or call attention to something--the more Willie yelled at them, the harder they yelled back. Willie eventually walked out, for the first (and so far only) time in the series, when he realized the crew would never accept any workplace changes and that they displayed not an ounce of fear of him or anybody else. The owner soon felt the same way too and fired the entire staff.
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[[folder:Music]]
* In ''Music/TheProtomen'', after killing Protoman, and realizing that humanity will not stand for itself, Megaman decides to just give up and leave the City to Wily's robots, with a parting shot of "[[BookEnds you are the dead]]" at humanity. In some performances he even says to the robots, "[[PrecisionFStrike Fuck it]]! KillEmAll!"
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[[folder:Tabletop Games]]
* This is the position the Craftworld Eldar held about the collapsing eldar empire in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' right before the fall of the eldar. They promptly decided to leave their homeplanets, leaving the debauched majority of their kind behind. Soon after leaving, the fall occured, which literally {{squick}}ed Slaanesh into existence, claiming the majority of the eldar empire with it. The few eldar who remained who survived did so only by taking shelter in the webway, where they became the Dark Eldar while the ones who escaped on the craftworlds barely managed to escape in time to survive the whole ordeal.
** The Imperium has had this attitude towards many, many cultures. The typical response involves killing them. To the last man, if possible. With orbital strikes. When the Imperium thinks a culture is too corrupt to save, it does ''not'' mess around.
** Some sources claim that Nurgle is a firm believer in this principle, and his ultimate goal is to wipe the entire slate clean.
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[[folder:TV Tropes]]
* By its very definition, the CutList is a tool to doom articles beyond saving.
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[[folder:Video Games]]
* Lucian, the villain of ''VideoGame/FableII'', plans to use The Spire to wipe most of the world out and start fresh, creating a world where death and despair won't exist.
* ''VideoGame/HalfLife1'': After 2 days of fighting, the [[TheCavalry US Military]], after heavy losses, decide to pull back and [[DeathFromAbove commence air strikes]]. Once they're finished retreating, they send special forces to detonate a [[NukeEm thermonuclear warhead]] at the center of the base.
* America at large in the mind of the self-proclaimed prophet Zachary Comstock in ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'', so much that he's grooming his successor, his daughter Elizabeth, to carry out his "prophecy" that "the seed of the Prophet shall sit the throne and drown in flame the mountains of man". In a future timeline that Booker [=DeWitt=] enters into to save Elizabeth when she is taken to Comstock House, he sees an elderly version of her already fulfilling this "prophecy" in 1984 with an attack upon New York City.
* There's a definite possibility to write all of Creation, the entire Multiverse, as this, in the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series. Lucifer attempts to convince you to destroy the entire process of creation and reconstruction in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', and the White in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' try to invoke this to convince you to reduce all that exists to Nothing. Most often, though, any faction will invoke this against their enemies to convince you the world as is is broken, and that by joining up with them, you can get it back on its feet again. Think about the price of doing so for any given allegiance, though.
** ''Strange Journey'' gives us the Schwarzwald itself, which is reality declaring this of human civilization.
* This is Lysandre's motivation in ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' - he's convinced that the world will only become more and more corrupt due to terrible people and soon there will be not enough resources to go around, so the only way to save at least some people is to torch the earth and most of the population with it.
* The reason that Neku was brought into the Reaper's Game in ''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou'' was that the Composer considered Shibuya beyond saving, but agreed to one last game against his Conductor to decide whether he would destroy it or not. [[spoiler: He ultimately wins the game, but decides it's worth keeping around after all.]]
* This is the mantra of the primary antagonists, [[spoiler:Munna and her gang]], in ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonGatesToInfinity''. [[spoiler:To them, having the Bittercold completely destroy the world is a better alternative than trying to fight for a better future.]]
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[[folder:Web Original]]
* TheOnion has a video where [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0AEarudEdI an FDA commissioner gives up on Americans as a whole.]]
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[[folder:Western Animation]]
* In the season finale for season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'', the city of Mainframe has been trashed so heavily by [=MegaByte=]'s rule that even [[BigGood Bob]] finds it hopeless to actually save the city. His solution is to intentionally lose a Game, corrupting the system past the brink and causing a total systems failure, gambling that the User reboots the system from backup, [[ResetButton restoring things to the way they were]], instead of reformatting, which would annihilate everything completely. [[spoiler: It works.]]
* By the time of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'', Superman seems to have this idea about Apokalips. Darkseid kidnapping him and brainwashing him into a leader of Darkseid's armies has a lot to do with it, but seeing Darkseid's subjects rally to help their GodEmperor after Superman defeated him and declared the Apokaliptians free probably didn't help.
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