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10th Nov '17 7:14:16 AM lillolillo
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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'' this is the Simurgh's preferred method of effecting the world. She subtly influences people en masse so that days, months, or even years later they will make a decision that furthers her agenda. Quarantines are established to keep her victims from doing so, but even that can work towards her plan.

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is the Simurgh's preferred method of effecting the world. She subtly influences people en masse so that days, months, or even years later they will make a decision that furthers her agenda. Quarantines are established to keep her victims from doing so, but even that can work towards her plan.



* Some Deists see the world this way, in that God MIGHT interfere with us mortals. But if He does it at all, He does it in a way that we won't attribute to divine intervention. No real need to, as it's not as if he couldn't merely [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast have structured the universe in such a way that any given piece of intervention is the logical outcome of existing laws of science/physics/logic/whatever,]] being, y'know, all-knowing and all-powerful and such.
** On the flip side of things, He might let some miserable/unfair/despair-worthy things (minor and major) happen to both good & bad people because it will give them the ''opportunity'' to learn and grow more than they ever could have in more comfortable situations, as many people who have had troubling pasts can attest to, if they admit that they wouldn't want to go through whatever had happened to them again, but at the same time they wouldn't want to take those experiences away, because those things shaped them into the person that they are today. Whether somebody gains or learns something from a bad experience is ultimately up to them, though.
** [[DiscussedTrope On the flip side of the flip side,]] many people don't see this idea as enough. There are countless individuals who have endured trauma which wrecked their entire lives, or who lived and died under miserable conditions, who never had the chance to recover or look back and say "Ah, but it all turned out for the best!" These ways are all too "Mysterious" if they justify entire lifetimes under dictatorial regimes, or the murder of innocents, or terrible, wasting diseases. For some, the only possible response to this is to reject any notion of a higher power, and [[InsignificantLittleBluePlanet figure out where to go]] [[TheAntiNihilist from there]]. And then there are some to whom this is a call to greater faith, in a vast ineffable Plan beyond what we can dream of, a plan they see aiming for the good of someone/something bigger than an individual, one country, or maybe even the entire human race.
*** The formal branch of theology that wrangles with this problem is called theodicy. It's been going for thousands of years - the book of Job is an early Jewish treatise on the "ineffable plan" side of the argument.
** Put succinctly, the flip side to this trope is to claim the justifications of theodicy are SpecialPleading. This is not an argument that God doesn't exist, but only that an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent God does not exist. Remove any leg of that triangle, in other words, GodIsFlawed, and theodicy isn't a challenge. This is what many non-Abrahamic religions believe(d).
22nd Oct '17 12:54:07 AM DustSnitch
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* In ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'''s {{Heaven}}, the Eagle of Justice happily explains the inexplicable presence of two pagans in Heaven by revealing that both of the kings came to know Christ and reject paganism by circumstances lost to history. With this in mind, the Eagle praise God's predestination and implores mankind not to act as if they know who and how God will save.



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29th Sep '17 1:46:20 PM Theatre_Maven_3695
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'''In Mysterious Ways''' is what happens when the divine interacts with the mundane in ways that don't make sense at first appearance. In time, however, the results are palpable. This is usually done to convey a sense of omniscience; after all, if you can see how all events play out, it's more likely you'd go the subtle route than try to [[KillItWithFire rain fire from Heaven every time things don't go your way]].

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'''In In Mysterious Ways''' Ways is what happens when the divine interacts with the mundane in ways that don't make sense at first appearance. In time, however, the results are palpable. This is usually done to convey a sense of omniscience; after all, if you can see how all events play out, it's more likely you'd go the subtle route than try to [[KillItWithFire rain fire from Heaven every time things don't go your way]].
23rd Aug '17 5:04:29 AM TheDocCC
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** Put succinctly, the flip side to this trope is to claim the justifications of theodicy are SpecialPleading. This is not an argument that God doesn't exist, but only that an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent God does not exist. Remove any leg of that triangle, in other words, GodIsFlawed, and theodicy isn't a challenge. This is what many non-Abrahamic religions believe(d).
28th Jul '17 10:21:52 AM BeerBaron
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** The [[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedra]], who formed out of the spilled and intermingled blood of Anu and his "brother" Padomay, sacrificed much of their divine power when they were convinced/tricked into creating Mundus, the mortal plane. As such, they [[HaveYouSeenMyGod prefer a much lighter touch]] when influencing mortal affairs, leading to this trope. At most, they'll empower a mortal agent to handle their affairs, such as [[TopGod Akatosh]] sending the "[[PlayerCharacter Last Dragonborn]]" to oppose [[BigBad Alduin]] in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]''. In the rare event that they do pull a DivineIntervention and directly intervene at full power, it is to prevent the full-blown [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt End Of The World As We Know It]], as Akatosh [[spoiler:did at the end of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'']].

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** The [[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedra]], who formed out of the spilled and intermingled blood of Anu and his "brother" Padomay, sacrificed much of their divine power when they were convinced/tricked into creating Mundus, the mortal plane. As such, they [[HaveYouSeenMyGod prefer a much lighter touch]] when influencing mortal affairs, leading to this trope. At most, they'll [[MissionFromGod empower a mortal agent agent]] to handle their affairs, such as [[TopGod Akatosh]] sending the "[[PlayerCharacter Last Dragonborn]]" to oppose [[BigBad Alduin]] in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]''. In the [[GodzillaThreshold rare event event]] that they do pull a DivineIntervention and directly intervene at full power, it is to prevent the full-blown [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt End Of The World As We Know It]], as Akatosh [[spoiler:did at the end of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'']].
25th Jul '17 12:52:24 PM BeerBaron
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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** Anu, the GodOfGods AnthropomorphicPersonification of the primordial force of [[OrderVersusChaos stasis/order/light]]. It is said that his presence is a force "so prevalent as to be not really there at all". It's theorized that this is in part because mortals have a much tougher time envisioning "perfect stasis" than they do "change".
** The [[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedra]], who formed out of the spilled and intermingled blood of Anu and his "brother" Padomay, sacrificed much of their divine power when they were convinced/tricked into creating Mundus, the mortal plane. As such, they [[HaveYouSeenMyGod prefer a much lighter touch]] when influencing mortal affairs, leading to this trope. At most, they'll empower a mortal agent to handle their affairs, such as [[TopGod Akatosh]] sending the "[[PlayerCharacter Last Dragonborn]]" to oppose [[BigBad Alduin]] in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]''. In the rare event that they do pull a DivineIntervention and directly intervene at full power, it is to prevent the full-blown [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt End Of The World As We Know It]], as Akatosh [[spoiler:did at the end of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'']].
30th Apr '17 8:22:05 PM isoycrazy
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* ''Series/{{Leverage}}'': While no proof of a divine plan is given in the aptly named episode "The Miracle Job" a priest named Father Paul is trying hard to save his church from being sold, but the corrupt business man has some thugs go and beat Paul before he can reach the City Council to ask them once again to not go through with the sale. This attack draws the attention of Paul's old friend, and protagonist, Nathan Ford and his band of thieves. After a series of gambits to take down the corrupt business man, including faking a miracle by having a fake statue of St. Nicholas appear to be crying and then undoing the miracle by framing the business man for it as though it were a PR stunt, the church is saved. At the end, Nate and Paul discuss things and Paul is thankful for the miracle. When Nate points out they did fake it, Paul quickly retorts, "Five thieves saved my church" and considers that the miracle. He may not have seen the whole picture in the middle when it looked like he might be defrocked for the fake miracle, but in hindsight Paul believes God was always trying to help him save the church, even if he didn't understand it then and there.
23rd Jan '17 6:24:55 PM MiddleEighth
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*The four are baffled by many of the changes made to C'hou in ''Fanfic/TheKeysStandAlone: The Soft World'' since [[Fanfic/WithStringsAttached they left six years ago]]. The general explanation is that “the gods changed it,” and they learn directly from the gods themselves that they made the changes to please both the G'heddi'onians and the skahs. This doesn't suffice; very little makes sense to the four, such as the obviously ancient cliff dwelling that seemed to have been created only three or four years ago. Why make it ancient? However, everything makes a ''lot'' more sense after they find out [[spoiler: they're in a giant telepathic {{MMORPG}}, the gods are fake, and the changes were made because of the RuleOfCool]].
1st Nov '16 7:06:01 PM N1KF
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InMysteriousWays is what happens when the divine interacts with the mundane in ways that don't make sense at first appearance. In time, however, the results are palpable. This is usually done to convey a sense of omniscience; after all, if you can see how all events play out, it's more likely you'd go the subtle route than try to [[KillItWithFire rain fire from Heaven every time things don't go your way]].

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InMysteriousWays '''In Mysterious Ways''' is what happens when the divine interacts with the mundane in ways that don't make sense at first appearance. In time, however, the results are palpable. This is usually done to convey a sense of omniscience; after all, if you can see how all events play out, it's more likely you'd go the subtle route than try to [[KillItWithFire rain fire from Heaven every time things don't go your way]].



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