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10th Dec '17 10:58:50 AM nombretomado
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* Saïx in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' outright says that TheHeartless ally with whoever's strongest, though this refers not to them making peace with or joining [[TheHero Sora]] (which would be...[[AlwaysChaoticEvil problematic]] on several levels), but to them ditching [[Disney/SleepingBeauty Maleficent]] and the DisneyAnimatedCanon villains for the EvilerThanThou Organization XIII.

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* Saïx in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' outright says that TheHeartless ally with whoever's strongest, though this refers not to them making peace with or joining [[TheHero Sora]] (which would be...[[AlwaysChaoticEvil problematic]] on several levels), but to them ditching [[Disney/SleepingBeauty Maleficent]] and the DisneyAnimatedCanon Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon villains for the EvilerThanThou Organization XIII.
23rd Nov '17 9:47:41 AM Grudgeal
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* Lantry and Kills-in-Shadow joins your party for this reason in ''VideoGame/{{Tyranny}}''. In Lantry's case it's because he's a TagalongChronicler who believes in Great Person History, and thus attaches himself to interesting/strong people because they tend to shape interesting history to chronicle ([[IOweYouMyLife that you saved his life helps, too]]). Kills-in-Shadow, meanwhile, is a [[BeastMan Beastwoman]], and in their society a leader must be strong. In fact, a great way to increase Killsy's Loyalty to you is to ''insist'', upon meeting her, [[LetsYouAndHimFight that you should fight so you can prove your strength to her]].

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* Lantry and Kills-in-Shadow joins your party for this reason in ''VideoGame/{{Tyranny}}''. In Lantry's case it's because he's a TagalongChronicler who believes in Great Person History, and thus attaches himself to interesting/strong people because they tend to shape interesting history to chronicle ([[IOweYouMyLife that you saved his life helps, too]]). Kills-in-Shadow, meanwhile, is a [[BeastMan Beastwoman]], and [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority in their society a leader must be strong.strong]] -- Killsy just applies the same logic to a non-beastman (you). In fact, a great way to increase Killsy's Loyalty to you is to ''insist'', upon meeting her, [[LetsYouAndHimFight that you should fight so you can prove your strength to her]].
23rd Nov '17 9:43:53 AM Grudgeal
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* Lantry and Kills-in-Shadow joins your party for this reason in ''VideoGame/{{Tyranny}}''. In Lantry's case it's because he's a TagalongChronicler who believes in Great Person History, and thus attaches himself to interesting/strong people because they tend to shape interesting history to chronicle ([[IOweYouMyLife that you saved his life helps, too]]). Kills-in-Shadow, meanwhile, is a [[BeastMan Beastwoman]], and in their society a leader must be strong. In fact, a great way to increase Killsy's Loyalty to you is to ''insist'', upon meeting her, [[LetsYouAndHimFight that you should fight so you can prove your strength to her]].
19th Sep '17 6:58:24 PM Uyyy
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* Saïx in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' outright says that TheHeartless ally with whoever's strongest, though this refers not to them making peace with or joining [[TheHero Sora]] (which would be...[[AlwaysChaoticEvil problematic]] on several levels), but to them ditching [[Disney/SleepingBeauty Maleficent]] and the DisneyAnimatedCanon villains for the EvilerThanThou Organization XIII.
11th Sep '17 8:59:47 AM BeerBaron
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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'':
** This is a staple of [[OurDragonsAreDifferent dragon]] culture, going hand in hand with their beliefs that AsskickingEqualsAuthority and their tendency toward HonorBeforeReason. Dragons will only follow those who prove themselves to be the strongest. Odahviing, [[TheDragon the right-hand]] of [[BigBad Alduin]], aids the [[PlayerCharacter Dragonborn]] after the Dragonborn forces Alduin to run away at the Throat of the World and captures Odahviing himself. Odahviing explains that he is doing this because a) he wants to free himself and b) after Alduin fled like a DirtyCoward, Odahviing and the other Dragons are no longer certain that he is worthy to lead them. After the Dragonborn defeats Alduin, Odahviing will swear his loyalty, allowing the Dragonborn to summon him with the "Call Dragon" shout.
** Later repeated in the ''Dawnguard'' DLC with Durnehviir, an undead Dragon bound to the Soul Cairn and thus unable to truly be killed. He swears fealty after the Dragonborn proves to be the ''[[WorthyOpponent first]]'' person to ever defeat him.
** Also in the case of the Civil War, if the Stormcloaks win, [[spoiler:Jarl Elisif, who Ulfric Stormcloak widowed to become High King, will submit to the Stormcloaks since the Empire is now gone from Skyrim and she has no other choice. She still despises Ulfric however.]]
** An interesting variation. Paarthurnax betrayed Alduin and sided with Mankind during the last Dragon War, teaching the Ancient Nords the [[MakeMeWannaShout Thu'um]], the draconic LanguageOfMagic, which allowed them to turn the tide and defeat Alduin and his followers once and for all. Essentially, Paarthurnax chose to follow the strongest side as all Dragons do... he just happened to ''make'' them the strongest side first.

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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'':
''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** Mazken (aka Dark Seducers), are an intelligent race of [[OurDemonsAreDifferent lesser Daedra]] in service to the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] [[MadGod Sheogorath]]. Mazken are said to be a treacherous race that will quickly switch allegiances if it becomes beneficial to them. The group of Dark Seducers fought in ''Battlespire'' betrayed their former master (a lieutenant of [[TheSacredDarkness Nocturnal]]) to side with [[DestroyerDeity Mehrunes Dagon]] when he promised them greater power. Because of this, it's difficult to tell if they've always been servants of Sheogorath or if he is simply their race's most recent master of convenience.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'':
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This is a staple of [[OurDragonsAreDifferent dragon]] culture, going hand in hand with their beliefs that AsskickingEqualsAuthority and their tendency toward HonorBeforeReason. Dragons will only follow those who prove themselves to be the strongest. Odahviing, [[TheDragon the right-hand]] of [[BigBad Alduin]], aids the [[PlayerCharacter Dragonborn]] after the Dragonborn forces Alduin to run away at the Throat of the World and captures Odahviing himself. Odahviing explains that he is doing this because a) he wants to free himself and b) after Alduin fled like a DirtyCoward, Odahviing and the other Dragons are no longer certain that he is worthy to lead them. After the Dragonborn defeats Alduin, Odahviing will swear his loyalty, allowing the Dragonborn to summon him with the "Call Dragon" shout.
** Later
shout. An interesting variation comes from the backstory - Paarthurnax betrayed Alduin and sided with Mankind during the last Dragon War, teaching the Ancient Nords the [[MakeMeWannaShout Thu'um]], the draconic LanguageOfMagic, which allowed them to turn the tide and defeat Alduin and his followers once and for all. Essentially, Paarthurnax chose to follow the strongest side as all Dragons do... he just happened to ''make'' them the strongest side first.
*** The dragon example is
repeated in the ''Dawnguard'' DLC with Durnehviir, an undead Dragon bound to the Soul Cairn and thus unable to truly be killed. He swears fealty after the Dragonborn proves to be the ''[[WorthyOpponent first]]'' person to ever defeat him.
** Also in the case of the Civil War, *** Jarl Elisif proves to be one if the Stormcloaks win, [[spoiler:Jarl [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters Stormcloaks]] win the {{Civil War}} questline. Elisif, who [[RebelLeader Ulfric Stormcloak Stormcloak]] widowed to become High King, will [[spoiler:will submit to the Stormcloaks since the Empire is now gone from Skyrim and she has no other choice. She still despises Ulfric however.]]
** An interesting variation. Paarthurnax betrayed Alduin and sided with Mankind during the last Dragon War, teaching the Ancient Nords the [[MakeMeWannaShout Thu'um]], the draconic LanguageOfMagic, which allowed them to turn the tide and defeat Alduin and his followers once and for all. Essentially, Paarthurnax chose to follow the strongest side as all Dragons do... he just happened to ''make'' them the strongest side first.
however]].
6th Sep '17 8:26:05 PM dmcreif
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* ''Series/LukeCage2016'': Shades Alvarez is consigliere to various crime bosses in Harlem. His loyalty though can be compromised if his cohorts become self-destructively violent or aggressive. If it's clear his employer is losing it, he will find a new employer. He won't cross them, but if they cross him, [[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal he's not holding back]].
14th Aug '17 2:01:41 PM ultimomant
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* In ''LightNovel/FateApocrypha'', Creator/WilliamShakespeare is a Caster class Servant. He is only willing to work for whoever he considers the "main character" and will abandon them if someone comes along who better fits that description. This carries on to his appearance in ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder''.



* In ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', Kalibak's forces follow the strongest. So when Kalibak himself ends stomped by Tawky Tawny, he orders his warriors to gang on him. They refuse, as, well, his defeat has already kind of proven ''he'''s not the strongest.

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* In ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', Kalibak's forces follow the strongest. So when Kalibak himself ends stomped by Tawky Tawny, he orders his warriors to gang up on him. They refuse, as, well, his defeat has already kind of proven ''he'''s not the strongest.
20th Jul '17 10:07:43 AM BeerBaron
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** Dragons will only follow those who prove themselves to be the strongest. Odahviing, [[TheDragon the right-hand]] of [[BigBad Alduin]], aids the Dragonborn after the Dragonborn forces Alduin to run away at the Throat of the World and captures Odahviing himself. Odahviing explains that he is doing this because a) he wants to free himself and b) after Alduin fled like a DirtyCoward Odahviing and the other Dragons are no longer certain that he is worthy to lead them. After the Dragonborn defeats Alduin, Odahviing will swear his loyalty, allowing the Dragonborn to summon him with the "Call Dragon" shout.
** Later repeated in ''Dawnguard'' with Durnehviir, an undead Dragon bound to the Soul Cairn and thus unable to truly be killed. He swears fealty after the Dragonborn proves to be the ''[[WorthyOpponent first]]'' person to ever defeat him.

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** This is a staple of [[OurDragonsAreDifferent dragon]] culture, going hand in hand with their beliefs that AsskickingEqualsAuthority and their tendency toward HonorBeforeReason. Dragons will only follow those who prove themselves to be the strongest. Odahviing, [[TheDragon the right-hand]] of [[BigBad Alduin]], aids the Dragonborn [[PlayerCharacter Dragonborn]] after the Dragonborn forces Alduin to run away at the Throat of the World and captures Odahviing himself. Odahviing explains that he is doing this because a) he wants to free himself and b) after Alduin fled like a DirtyCoward DirtyCoward, Odahviing and the other Dragons are no longer certain that he is worthy to lead them. After the Dragonborn defeats Alduin, Odahviing will swear his loyalty, allowing the Dragonborn to summon him with the "Call Dragon" shout.
** Later repeated in the ''Dawnguard'' DLC with Durnehviir, an undead Dragon bound to the Soul Cairn and thus unable to truly be killed. He swears fealty after the Dragonborn proves to be the ''[[WorthyOpponent first]]'' person to ever defeat him.



** An interesting variation. Paarthurnax betrayed Alduin and sided with Mankind during the last Dragon War, teaching the Ancient Nords the Thu'um, which allowed them to turn the tide and defeat Alduin and his followers once and for all. Essentially, Paarthurnax chose to follow the strongest side as all Dragons do... he just happened to ''make'' them the strongest side first.

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** An interesting variation. Paarthurnax betrayed Alduin and sided with Mankind during the last Dragon War, teaching the Ancient Nords the Thu'um, [[MakeMeWannaShout Thu'um]], the draconic LanguageOfMagic, which allowed them to turn the tide and defeat Alduin and his followers once and for all. Essentially, Paarthurnax chose to follow the strongest side as all Dragons do... he just happened to ''make'' them the strongest side first.
17th Jul '17 8:14:13 PM KillerClowns
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* Inverted by the god Skaen in ''VideoGame/PillarsOfEternity''. The god of hatred, revenge, and quiet loathing, he'll abandon any followers who become too powerful, favoring only those who are both oppressed and willing to bargain with a creature as bloodthirsty as Skaen.

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* Inverted by the god Skaen in ''VideoGame/PillarsOfEternity''. The god of hatred, revenge, resentment, and quiet loathing, he'll abandon any followers who become too powerful, favoring only those who are both oppressed and willing to bargain with a creature as bloodthirsty as Skaen.
17th Jul '17 8:12:29 PM KillerClowns
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* Inverted by the god Skaen in ''VideoGame/PillarsOfEternity''. The god of hatred, revenge, and quiet loathing, he'll abandon any followers who become too powerful, favoring only those who are both oppressed and willing to bargain with a creature as bloodthirsty as Skaen.
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