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17th Oct '17 12:23:56 PM Dwoem
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Heroes who abide by this trope more often than not act in a manner that, although morally sound and honorable, is far from the most practical solution.[[note]]Except in cases where it is. That said, it isn't always easy to determine what's practical and what's not, either.[[/note]] Quite often this kind of decent, chivalrous behavior will come at [[HeroicSacrifice a great cost to the hero's happiness, kill him outright, or similarly leave him a destroyed human being]]. A villain [[GenreSavvy aware]] of such a gallant hero is bound to use FlawExploitation against him as well.

Put another way, a character who adheres to this trope is someone who is [[TheFettered more committed to a particular code of abstract ethics]] than he is to his own self-preservation[[note]]In some cases, however, the character will try to be equally committed to both. He/she may be more willing to follow the rules, but that doesn't mean he/she is stupid, after all.[[/note]]. He believes in a pre-defined set of rules which universally apply, and he will not break said rules, even if his own death results from adhering to them in one particular instance. These types will usually justify this by claiming that living with the shame that results from having broken said rules is AFateWorseThanDeath.

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Heroes who abide by this trope more often than not act in a manner that, although morally sound and honorable, is far from the most practical solution.[[note]]Except in cases where it is. That said, it isn't always easy to determine what's practical and what's not, either.[[/note]] Quite often this kind of decent, chivalrous behavior will come at [[HeroicSacrifice a great cost to the hero's happiness, kill him them outright, or similarly leave him them a destroyed human being]]. A villain [[GenreSavvy aware]] of such a gallant hero is bound to use FlawExploitation against him them as well.

Put another way, a character who adheres to this trope is someone who is [[TheFettered more committed to a particular code of abstract ethics]] than he is to his their own self-preservation[[note]]In some cases, however, the character will try to be equally committed to both. He/she They may be more willing to follow the rules, but that doesn't mean he/she is they are stupid, after all.[[/note]]. He believes They believe in a pre-defined set of rules which universally apply, and he will not break said rules, even if his their own death results from adhering to them in one particular instance. These types will usually justify this by claiming that living with the shame that results from having broken said rules is AFateWorseThanDeath.



An especially poignant situation is TurnTheOtherCheek. Often, and perhaps running counter to the theme of honor besting all, the hero has to be aided by [[BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork Big Damn Villains, who are able to cross that final line that his integrity would not allow.]]

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An especially poignant situation is TurnTheOtherCheek. Often, and perhaps running counter to the theme of honor besting all, the hero has to be aided by [[BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork Big Damn Villains, who are able to cross that final line that his their integrity would not allow.]]
12th Oct '17 6:22:18 AM FoxBluereaver
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* Examples from ''Fanfic/PokemonResetBloodlines'', in regards to the use of certain bloodliner abilities:
** Heart Bloodliners are able to MindControl any Pokémon at least partially their type, but from the Pokémon's perspective, [[AndIMustScream this isn't a pleasant experience.]] Iris always knew she could do it but refused to use it in her family of Dragon types, and after learning from her Goldeen how it felt, Misty also refuses to use it ever again, even when it would give her an advantage.
** Zigzagged in Ash's case, who refuses to use his [[SuperEmpowering ability to give Pokémon temporary power boosts]] in competitive battles [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen because he considers it cheating]] and doesn't want his Pokémon to depend on it so they can grow strong on their own. However, he's willing to use it if it's to fight a villain or to help someone in need.
5th Oct '17 6:41:36 PM Theriocephalus
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** This appears to be something of a recurring flaw for the pegasi, who value their martial and ethical honor so highly that they will always choose what they perceive as the more honorable path in a given matter, even if their other, less honorable options were objectively smarter, less costly or otherwise more expedient. Itís mentioned at one point that their tradition of never surrendering their city to outsiders and fighting to the last has resulted in a long history of needless last stands that got a lot of ponies killed for the sake of pride.

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** This appears to be something of a recurring flaw for the pegasi, who value their martial and ethical honor so highly that they will always choose what they perceive as the more honorable path in a given matter, even if their other, less honorable options were objectively smarter, less costly or otherwise more expedient. Itís mentioned at one point that their tradition of never surrendering their city to outsiders and fighting to the last has resulted in a long history of needless last stands {{Last Stand}}s that got a lot of ponies killed for the sake of pride.
14th Sep '17 11:25:09 AM lillolillo
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* [[TheScrappy Samurai]] in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11803928/2/ Challenger]]'' considers using [[ElementalRockPaperScissors Super Effective]] moves in Pokemon battles to be dishonorable. Naturally he loses quickly when Ash's Sandile uses [[PlayingWithFire Fire Fang]] against his [[BigBadCreepyCrawlies Pinsir]]. Though, given that Samurai also blamed said Sandile for attacking him when he drew a sword on Ash, it's likely he's just being a {{Scrub}}.

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* [[TheScrappy Samurai]] in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11803928/2/ Challenger]]'' considers using [[ElementalRockPaperScissors Super Effective]] moves in Pokemon battles to be dishonorable. Naturally he loses quickly when Ash's Sandile uses [[PlayingWithFire Fire Fang]] against his [[BigBadCreepyCrawlies [[BigCreepyCrawlies Pinsir]]. Though, given that Samurai also blamed said Sandile for attacking him when he drew a sword on Ash, it's likely he's just being a {{Scrub}}.{{Scrub}}.
* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer''/''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'' crossover ''Fanfic/TheVampireOfSteel'' [[BigBad Zol-Am]]'s demon army is about to overwhelm Supergirl, Buffy and the Scooby Gang when Kara demands a personal duel with Zol-Am. Zol-Am accepts because it's Kryptonian law, and he even incinerates one of his soldiers when he tries to interfere.



26th Aug '17 11:34:15 PM TheSinful
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* [[TheScrappy Samurai]] in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11803928/2/ Challenger]]'' considers using [[ElementalRockPaperScissors Super Effective]] moves in Pokemon battles to be dishonorable. Naturally he loses quickly when Ash's Sandile uses [[PlayingWithFire Fire Fang]] against his [[BigBadCreepyCrawlies Pinsir]]. Though, given that Samurai also blamed said Sandile for attacking him when he drew a sword on Ash, it's likely he's just being a {{Scrub}}.
18th Aug '17 1:27:53 AM ultimomant
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* ''Fanfic/FateParallelFantasia'': Rin says that battles between magi should be fought only using magic, so she refuses an offered gun even after it is pointed out most magi don't know how to defend themselves against them.
15th Aug '17 12:02:57 PM tropower
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Heroes who abide by this trope more often than not act in a manner that, although morally sound and honorable, is far from the most practical solution. Quite often this kind of decent, chivalrous behavior will come at [[HeroicSacrifice a great cost to the hero's happiness, kill him outright, or similarly leave him a destroyed human being]]. A villain [[GenreSavvy aware]] of such a gallant hero is bound to use FlawExploitation against him as well.

Put another way, a character who adheres to this trope is someone who is [[TheFettered more committed to a particular code of abstract ethics]] than he is to his own self-preservation. He believes in a pre-defined set of rules which universally apply, and he will not break said rules, even if his own death results from adhering to them in one particular instance. These types will usually justify this by claiming that living with the shame that results from having broken said rules is AFateWorseThanDeath.

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Heroes who abide by this trope more often than not act in a manner that, although morally sound and honorable, is far from the most practical solution. [[note]]Except in cases where it is. That said, it isn't always easy to determine what's practical and what's not, either.[[/note]] Quite often this kind of decent, chivalrous behavior will come at [[HeroicSacrifice a great cost to the hero's happiness, kill him outright, or similarly leave him a destroyed human being]]. A villain [[GenreSavvy aware]] of such a gallant hero is bound to use FlawExploitation against him as well.

Put another way, a character who adheres to this trope is someone who is [[TheFettered more committed to a particular code of abstract ethics]] than he is to his own self-preservation.self-preservation[[note]]In some cases, however, the character will try to be equally committed to both. He/she may be more willing to follow the rules, but that doesn't mean he/she is stupid, after all.[[/note]]. He believes in a pre-defined set of rules which universally apply, and he will not break said rules, even if his own death results from adhering to them in one particular instance. These types will usually justify this by claiming that living with the shame that results from having broken said rules is AFateWorseThanDeath.
6th Aug '17 3:42:34 PM ontario_panther
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* The reason why many conservatives have the opinions they do on political issues. They want to honor the traditions of their ancestors even when those traditions don't make sense to non-conservatives.
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* The reason why many conservatives have the opinions they do on political issues. They want to honor the traditions of their ancestors even when those traditions don't make sense to non-conservatives.
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2nd Aug '17 8:11:30 AM jesseblue89
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* The reason why many conservatives have the opinions they do on political issues. They want to honor the traditions of their ancestors even when those traditions don't make sense to non-conservatives.
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3rd Jul '17 1:43:34 PM Theriocephalus
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* ''[[Fanfic/TheLifeAndTimesOfAWinningPony The Lunar Rebellion]]'':
** This appears to be something of a recurring flaw for the pegasi, who value their martial and ethical honor so highly that they will always choose what they perceive as the more honorable path in a given matter, even if their other, less honorable options were objectively smarter, less costly or otherwise more expedient. Itís mentioned at one point that their tradition of never surrendering their city to outsiders and fighting to the last has resulted in a long history of needless last stands that got a lot of ponies killed for the sake of pride.
** This is specifically something of an issue with Shadow herself. A good example would be how, when seeking allies against Duke Polaris (a self-centered noble who had been given full command of the armed forces despite being highly unqualified for the role), she persistently refused to ally with Sunbeam Sparkle, whom she saw as distasteful and dishonorable, despite it being her only realistic choice for gaining useful allies, with the avenues she pursued instead gaining her little beyond lost time that allowed Polaris to cement his position.
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