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2nd May '16 3:37:57 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Similarly, dyslexia on the internet is often used as a free pass by people who simply can't be bothered to write coherently or spellcheck, since it guarantees WhiteKnighting if anyone calls them on it; it's particularly popular with trolls. Real dyslexia might make language difficult, but it doesn't make the sufferer a ''moron''; indeed, non-internet dyslexics often take great pains to ensure their grammar and spelling is up to scratch.

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* Similarly, dyslexia on the internet is often used as a free pass by people who simply can't be bothered to write coherently or spellcheck, since it guarantees WhiteKnighting white knighting if anyone calls them on it; it's particularly popular with trolls. Real dyslexia might make language difficult, but it doesn't make the sufferer a ''moron''; indeed, non-internet dyslexics often take great pains to ensure their grammar and spelling is up to scratch.
25th Mar '16 11:31:12 PM mirisu92
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** Then again, Mark Haddon, the author, never intended to define Christopher as explicitly autistic, and doesn't really care for attempts to label him as such. Indeed, he never uses the term in the book, and no one in the novel (not even Christopher himself) ever brings up exactly ''what'' his condition is.
3rd Mar '16 10:12:16 PM hamza678
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Another thing Hollywood tends to skip in psychology is the idea that most events of the average plot would leave the EverymanHero severely traumatised by the end of it, not just shrugging it off with a smile and one-liner. Because really, [[RuleOfFun which of those sounds more fun]]?

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Another thing Hollywood tends to skip in psychology is the idea that most events of the average plot would leave the EverymanHero TheEveryman severely traumatised by the end of it, not just shrugging it off with a smile and one-liner. Because really, [[RuleOfFun which of those sounds more fun]]?
21st Feb '16 7:01:18 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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Research is hard. While this is generally true of [[HollywoodScience all science]], psychology in particular is vulnerable, as it's a very, ''very'' new field still under heavy development. Only recently has psychology emerged as a mature science with robust theories, and supposed "facts" of the past are [[UrbanLegends still in popular culture]] despite being [[ScienceMarchesOn debunked]]. Writers fail to recognize this, and the [[InformedAbility supposed professionals]] in their stories will quote woefully out-of-date representations of [[AllPsychologyIsFreudian Sigmund Freud's]] theory of the unconscious, Carl Jung's collective unconscious {{archetype}}s, or Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs. This is the equivalent of a modern physicist [[YouFailPhysicsForever discussing luminiferous aether]], or a biologist believing LamarckWasRight.

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Research is hard. While this is generally true of [[HollywoodScience all science]], psychology in particular is vulnerable, as it's a very, ''very'' new field still under heavy development. Only recently has psychology emerged as a mature science with robust theories, and supposed "facts" of the past are [[UrbanLegends still in popular culture]] despite being [[ScienceMarchesOn debunked]]. Writers fail to recognize this, and the [[InformedAbility supposed professionals]] in their stories will quote woefully out-of-date representations of [[AllPsychologyIsFreudian Sigmund Freud's]] theory of the unconscious, Carl Jung's collective unconscious {{archetype}}s, or Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs. This is the equivalent of a modern physicist [[YouFailPhysicsForever discussing luminiferous aether]], a chemist trying to create a PhilosophersStone, or a biologist believing LamarckWasRight.
4th Feb '16 12:58:14 AM laserviking42
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* Clinical depression (Major Depressive Disorder), despite being one of the most common mental illnesses, is generally depicted inaccurately. Mostly it is portrayed as a reaction to some trauma or loss, with the person crying a lot and loudly bemoaning their life. In reality there is often no trigger or cause for depression, the person will be plagued by low energy, loss (or gain) of appetite, lack (or way too much) of sleep and be unable to find enjoyment in things.
** One of the most persistent tropes is the concept that finding a person's true love will magically cure depression and the person will be happy. In reality, depressed people generally have a difficult time maintaining relationships, and finding someone will not do anything for their underlying condition. The stresses of a relationship can very easily worsen depression.
4th Feb '16 12:37:15 AM laserviking42
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** There is also a lot of confusion between the medical concept of insanity (mental illness to be precise) and the legal concept of insanity. In jurisdictions where its allowed it refers to a person who is unable to differentiate between right and wrong. Serial killers, especially of the movie variety, would never be able to successfully argue insanity as a defense because they are very aware that what they do is illegal (attempts to clean up evidence, hide your trail and evade the authorities are all evidence that you know it's wrong).


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*** Similarly the terms "sociopath" and "psychopath" are often used as a diagnosis for people with no emotions who kill indiscriminately. The terms are not used in psychiatry or in any clinical sense. The disorder that most closely matches the terms is Antisocial Personality Disorder, characterized as a pervasive disregard for the rights of others. Only in rare cases does this manifest as the classical 'serial killer' archetype.
31st Jan '16 1:31:19 AM eroock
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-->''Q: How many Psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?\\

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17th Jan '16 7:52:01 PM nombretomado
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*** ''StElsewhere'' also managed it with [[http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers.html Tommy Westphall]]. Unfortunately, the series finale [[CanonDisContinuity took]] [[{{Hatedom}} it]] [[GainaxEnding too]] [[TheMultiverse far]].

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*** ''StElsewhere'' ** ''Series/StElsewhere'' also managed it with [[http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers.html Tommy Westphall]]. Unfortunately, the series finale [[CanonDisContinuity took]] [[{{Hatedom}} it]] [[GainaxEnding too]] [[TheMultiverse far]].
10th Jan '16 11:35:32 PM Fireblood
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** There was a episode where having synesthesia was depicted as being like the conclusion of ''[[Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey 2001]]''. They wish it were that cool. In reality is really lame stuff like 7 having an intrinsic redness to it. And while there are slightly less lame versions (musical pitches having intrinsic colors is a version that many world renowned musicians have put to good use) none of them are anywhere as cool as that.

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** There was a episode where having synesthesia was depicted as being like the conclusion of ''[[Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey 2001]]''. They Synesthetes wish it were that cool. In reality is it's really lame stuff like 7 having an intrinsic redness to it. And while there are slightly less lame versions (musical pitches having intrinsic colors is a version that many world renowned musicians have put to good use) use), none of them are anywhere as cool as that.



* ''Series/{{Monk}}'' not only seems to have both Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder and Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder simultaneously, he is a picture of retro-Freudian "neuroticism," seemingly to teeter into Generalized Anxiety Disorder (with agoraphobia, naturally), Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and sometimes even sociopathy. Underlying it all, of course, are deep, unrealized issues surrounding his dead wife. This is of course PlayedForLaughs when it isn't [[DisabilitySuperpower giving him supernatural insight into crimesolving]].

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* ''Series/{{Monk}}'' not only seems to have both Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder and Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder simultaneously, he is a picture of retro-Freudian "neuroticism," seemingly to teeter into Generalized Anxiety Disorder (with agoraphobia, naturally), Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and sometimes even sociopathy. Underlying it all, of course, are deep, unrealized issues surrounding his dead wife. This is of course PlayedForLaughs when it isn't [[DisabilitySuperpower giving him supernatural insight into crimesolving]].crime-solving]].



** ''All'' OCD will have behaviors in common with GAD; they're both forms of anxiety disorder (OCD's compulsions can be seen as a maladaptive coping mechanism for the underlying anxiety).

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** ''All'' people who have OCD will have show behaviors in common with GAD; they're both forms of anxiety disorder (OCD's compulsions can be seen as a maladaptive coping mechanism for the underlying anxiety).



** The reactions to it are pretty realistic to it too - throughout the series. While it's very sad that he has an abandonment complex, Sam (both times) and John couldn't very well stay just to please him. Sam really does try to help him out but he's got his own soul-crushing issues to deal with as well. By ''All Hell Breaks Loose'', there was a mass war going on and while Bobby was clearly worried about finding one more dead body when he got back, the best thing Dean could do was to save the angst for later and - for the moment - buck up and help out. And as for the demons, why do you think they always tell him how useless/damaged/worthless he is? Dean's deep, dark pit of self-loathing is just so frigging easy to get into that there's not much point in telling him anything else.

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** The reactions to it are pretty realistic to it too - throughout the series. While it's very sad that he has an abandonment complex, Sam (both times) and John couldn't very well stay just to please him. Sam really does try to help him out but he's got his own soul-crushing issues to deal with as well. By ''All Hell Breaks Loose'', there was a mass war going on and while Bobby was clearly worried about finding one more dead body when he got back, the best thing Dean could do was to save the angst for later and - for the moment - buck up and help out. And as for the demons, why do you think they always tell him how useless/damaged/worthless he is? Dean's deep, dark pit of self-loathing is just so frigging easy to get into that there's not much point in telling him anything else.



* Almost every attempt to portray more severe Kanner's autism tends to be a cutesy-poo VerySpecialEpisode about a Mother struggling with her non-verbal child. The aim is usually to either find a cure, show people how angelic (or axe crazy, it depends on the writer) autistic children are or just highlight the turmoil these families go through. Good luck trying to find anything that has a non-verbal autistic person as the main character. This is perhaps one of the worse examples, as non-verbal autistic people are often, despite appearances, perfectly aware of their surroundings, and perfectly capable of rational thought. However, this doesn't sell as well, so it rarely comes up in any form of media, and as a result, most people think that low-functioning autism = no awareness whatsoever.

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* Almost every attempt to portray more severe Kanner's autism tends to be a cutesy-poo VerySpecialEpisode about a Mother struggling with her non-verbal child. The aim is usually to either find a cure, show people how angelic (or axe ax crazy, it depends on the writer) autistic children are or just highlight the turmoil these families go through. Good luck trying to find anything that has a non-verbal autistic person as the main character. This is perhaps one of the worse examples, as non-verbal autistic people are often, despite appearances, perfectly aware of their surroundings, and perfectly capable of rational thought. However, this doesn't sell as well, so it rarely comes up in any form of media, and as a result, most people think that low-functioning autism = no awareness whatsoever.



* ''Series/LawAndOrderTrialByJury'' had the defendant try to use his Asperger's Syndrome as a defence in a rape case.
* Apparently Creator/MaryMcDonnell (a.k.a., [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 President Roslin]] ) guest-starred on ''Series/GreysAnatomy'' as a heart surgeon with Asperger's.
** Most of her three-episode appearance can be seen [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIV-Nq5DXRY here]], [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVUGlsljdaA here]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlHU1Da-fSI here]]. (For as long as the links stay healthy). A basic summation of her character is that she is very smart and very aware of her surroundings (and the motivations of others), but she is also quite rigid with her routines and methods (often getting upset when her expectations or plans don't follow through), and really sensitive to touch, having a conservative type of movement and dressing up in A LOT of surgery scrubs/winter wear.
* [[TheWoobie Karla Bentham]] from the third season of ''WaterlooRoad'' is a sympathetic version [[RippedFromTheHeadlines (created to highlight the issues surrounding adolescent mental health]], which she does well), but still has a condition that less resembles Asperger's than ADHD with elements of OCD and generalised anxiety disorder.
** The big problem with Karla is that she's more of a plot device than a character in her own right. It would be easier to forgive her OOT pedanticness and almost total lack of social skills or independence if she was shown the same sort of respect that the other characters get, but she isn't. The plot is never told from her viewpoint- every time she has a meltdown, for example, the perspective cuts to her TA, and their attempts to calm her down. She has been in the show two years and viewers still have no idea what she thinks and feels about things. She also never gets a plot that is unrelated to her Aspergers. It's a shame because she was written in the best of intentions, but woefully executed.
** OCD plus ADHD actually is reasonable facsimile of Asperger's. Enough that a lot of Aspies get diagnosed with one or the other.

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* ''Series/LawAndOrderTrialByJury'' had the defendant try to use his Asperger's Syndrome as a defence defense in a rape case.
* Apparently Creator/MaryMcDonnell (a.k.a., [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 President Roslin]] ) guest-starred on ''Series/GreysAnatomy'' as a heart surgeon with Asperger's.
** Most Part of her three-episode appearance can be seen [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIV-Nq5DXRY here]], [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVUGlsljdaA here]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlHU1Da-fSI here]]. (For (for as long as the links stay link stays healthy). A basic summation of her character is that she is very smart and very aware of her surroundings (and the motivations of others), but she is also quite rigid with her routines and methods (often getting upset when her expectations or plans don't follow through), and really sensitive to touch, having a conservative type of movement and dressing up in A LOT of surgery scrubs/winter wear.
* [[TheWoobie Karla Bentham]] from the third season of ''WaterlooRoad'' is a sympathetic version [[RippedFromTheHeadlines (created to highlight the issues surrounding adolescent mental health]], which she does well), but still has a condition that less resembles Asperger's than ADHD with elements of OCD and generalised generalized anxiety disorder.
** The big problem with Karla is that she's more of a plot device than a character in her own right. It would be easier to forgive her OOT pedanticness and almost total lack of social skills or independence if she was shown the same sort of respect that the other characters get, but she isn't. The plot is never told from her viewpoint- every time she has a meltdown, for example, the perspective cuts to her TA, and their attempts to calm her down. She has been in the show two years and viewers still have no idea what she thinks and feels about things. She also never gets a plot that is unrelated to her Aspergers.Asperger's. It's a shame because she was written in the best of intentions, but woefully executed.
** OCD plus ADHD actually is a reasonable facsimile of Asperger's. Enough that a lot of Aspies get diagnosed misdiagnosed with one or the other.



** Psychopathy in the show is a word that has been thrown around quite a lot in the last few seasons. They seem to be using it to describe any [=UnSub=] that is inherently incapable of empathy and compassion, regardless of the underlying reasons. This isn't ''totally'' inaccurate though since psychopathy is not currently recognised as an official psychological diagnosis (so they have a bit of leeway on how they use it) and lack of empathy and compassion are generally regarded as two of the key symptoms in any current definition of the term.

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** Psychopathy in the show is a word that has been thrown around quite a lot in the last few seasons. They seem to be using it to describe any [=UnSub=] that is inherently incapable of empathy and compassion, regardless of the underlying reasons. This isn't ''totally'' inaccurate though since psychopathy is not currently recognised recognized as an official psychological diagnosis (so they have a bit of leeway on how they use it) it), and lack of empathy and compassion are generally regarded as two of the key symptoms in any current definition of the term.



** In fact, ''Criminal Minds'' as a whole is really bad about this. The majority of the psychology on the show is either out of date, misapplied, grossly exaggerated, or just flat out wrong, which can result in a lot of exasperation for psychologists watching the show. The most {{Egregious}} of these is the premise of criminal profiling itself, which has been shown more than once to be inaccurate to the point that lay people do just as well on it as professionals.
* Fans of ''Series/{{Bones}}'' have commented that the behaviour of doctors Brennan and Addy looks a bit like Asperger's, though its never mentioned in the show. This is not to even mention her view of Psychology seems to be HollywoodPsych, as she claims it's far "softer" (i.e. a social science rather then a natural science) a science then Anthropology. Most neuropsychologists would debate this.
** Honestly, there's a good chance that even most anthropologists would debate this. Large swaths of anthropology is done using ethnographic observations, which make no claim to Brennan's beloved objectivity. Instead this method encourages the researcher to make their biases explicit because the work cannot be done in an unbiased manner (thus allowing the analysis to approximate objectivity even though the observations were very subjective and biased). In fact, depending on where they sit theoretically, some researchers might reject the notion of an objective "truth" entirely. While psychological research is largely done using controlled experiments in laboratories - very strange that Brennan doesn't prefer that.
*** Dr. Brennan is a ''physical'' anthropologist, primarily, and that has actually a lot more in common with biology than it does with ''cultural'' anthropology. As for objectivity in psychology, that was for a very long time mostly the realm of biological psychology, which she may or may not have gotten much exposure to. If the psychology departments she's had much contact with were dominated by the...looser schools, it's probably the view she would have developed of psychology.
*** But Brennan ''does'' have a degree in sociocultural anthropology, or at least an education in it - just look at all the things on culture she spouts in the show, and the episode with the circus had her revealing that she did some ethnographic work with a circus, which she wouldn't have done unless she was doing serious work on it in university. The above point, then, that she criticises psychology for being unscientific when one of her own areas is far ''less'' scientific, is accurate.

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** In fact, ''Criminal Minds'' as a whole is really bad about this. The majority of the psychology on the show is either out of date, misapplied, grossly exaggerated, or just flat out wrong, which can result in a lot of exasperation for psychologists watching the show. The most {{Egregious}} {{egregious}} of these is the premise of criminal profiling itself, which has been shown more than once to be inaccurate to the point that lay people do just as well on it as professionals.
* Fans of ''Series/{{Bones}}'' have commented that the behaviour behavior of doctors Brennan and Addy looks a bit like Asperger's, though its never mentioned in the show. This is not to even mention her view of Psychology psychology seems to be HollywoodPsych, as she claims it's far "softer" (i.e. a social science rather then a natural science) a science then Anthropology.anthropology. Most neuropsychologists would debate this.
** Honestly, there's a good chance that even most anthropologists would debate this. Large swaths of anthropology is done using ethnographic observations, which make no claim to Brennan's beloved objectivity. Instead this method encourages the researcher to make their biases explicit because the work cannot be done in an unbiased manner (thus allowing the analysis to approximate objectivity even though the observations were very subjective and biased). In fact, depending on where they sit theoretically, some researchers might reject the notion of an objective "truth" entirely. While Meanwhile psychological research is largely done using controlled experiments in laboratories - very strange that Brennan doesn't prefer that.
*** Dr. Brennan is a ''physical'' anthropologist, primarily, and that has actually a lot more in common with biology than it does with ''cultural'' anthropology. As for objectivity in psychology, that was for a very long time mostly the realm of biological psychology, which she may or may not have gotten much exposure to. If the psychology departments she's had much contact with were dominated by the... looser schools, it's probably the view she would have developed of psychology.
*** But Brennan ''does'' have a degree in sociocultural anthropology, or at least an education in it - just look at all the things on culture she spouts in the show, and the episode with the circus had her revealing that she did some ethnographic work with a circus, which she wouldn't have done unless she was doing serious work on it in university. The above point, then, that she criticises criticizes psychology for being unscientific when one of her own areas is far ''less'' scientific, is accurate.



* Creator/StevenMoffat has a tendency to write characters who are impulsive and oftentimes violent (eg, [[{{Series/Jekyll}} Mr. Hyde,]] [[Series/DoctorWho River Song,]] [[{{Series/Sherlock}} Sherlock Holmes]] and [[spoiler: [[{{Series/Sherlock}} Mary Morstan]]]]) and repeatedly referred to as psychopaths - yet ''all'' these characters are able to empathise with at least one other character, something a real psychopath would find impossible.

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* Creator/StevenMoffat has a tendency to write characters who are impulsive and oftentimes violent (eg, [[{{Series/Jekyll}} Mr. Hyde,]] [[Series/DoctorWho River Song,]] [[{{Series/Sherlock}} Sherlock Holmes]] and [[spoiler: [[{{Series/Sherlock}} Mary Morstan]]]]) and repeatedly referred to as psychopaths - yet ''all'' these characters are able to empathise empathize with at least one other character, something a real psychopath would find impossible.
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Another thing Hollywood tends to skip in psychology is the idea that most events of the average plot would leave the EverymanHero severely traumatised by the end of it, not just shrugging it off with a smile and one-liner. Because really, [[RuleOfFun which of those sounds more fun]]?
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